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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 07:50 PM
Germany, Finland and Latvia had swasticas in their airplanes.
Germany had black, Finland had blue but what was the colour of Latvian swastica?
I visited Riga last weekend and in museum I saw black and white photos of pre-war Latvian airplanes. Swastica was standing on its corner ( just like german ) but what was the colour?
Red??

If someone knows pls let me know.

Regards SheerLuck Holmes

P.S.

Salute to Alfred Grislawski. May he rest in peace

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 07:50 PM
Germany, Finland and Latvia had swasticas in their airplanes.
Germany had black, Finland had blue but what was the colour of Latvian swastica?
I visited Riga last weekend and in museum I saw black and white photos of pre-war Latvian airplanes. Swastica was standing on its corner ( just like german ) but what was the colour?
Red??

If someone knows pls let me know.

Regards SheerLuck Holmes

P.S.

Salute to Alfred Grislawski. May he rest in peace

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 08:16 PM
I found this:

"The National Guard (paramilitary units) red outlined used white disk with red indented cross in 1937-1940, and Navy used 1936-1940 black rotated swastika and black cabled anchor on the fin.

In years 1941-44 Latvian aircrafts in German service used a black Latin cross was painted on white pannels, with black swastika on the fin."

Zeljko Heimer, 8 April 2002

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 08:22 PM
Sorry. No Swastikas in here. Linked your pic. /Vengeanze



I also found some information about red swasticas on Latvian planes



pic (http://www.insigniamag.com/seal1.jpg)




Message Edited on 09/24/0309:50PM by Vengeanze

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 08:31 PM
Finnish planes didn't have swastika symbol, never.

It was blue Von Rosen's cross, don't you ever confuse that to german swastika again !


Reiskapappa

"Be your own disciple"

Cpt.LoneRanger
09-23-2003, 08:41 PM
LO, it's a symbol for the celtic sun. The nazi's didn't invent it, as well as Finnish or anybody else did during WW2.

greets
Cpt.LoneRanger


http://www.cptloneranger.privat.t-online.de/CptLoneRanger.jpg

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 09:06 PM
Sorry. No Swastikas in here. Linked your pic.


This is a zoomed-up part of an image of a sign taken at the aviation museum at Vantaa, Finland.
pic (http://sivusto.servepics.com/latvia.jpg)



http://sivusto.servepics.com/~lahnat/werre2s.jpg

prkl

Message Edited on 09/24/0309:49PM by Vengeanze

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 09:11 PM
Reiskapappa wrote:
- Finnish planes didn't have swastika symbol, never.
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- It was blue Von Rosen's cross, don't you ever
- confuse that to german swastika again !
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I'm pretty sure the symbols name is swastika or svastika and has existed a long time ( in asia ) in different ancient cultures. I've studied arthisyory for many years and seen it in many places.... so it was used all over the world , often as a "luck" symbol. It had nothing to do with the politics of the nazis. ( and ofcourse a swastika on the aircraft did not mean that the pilot in it agreed to nazi values.) But as most of u on this forum probably know the symbol is still " infected" so it cant be used in most countries without problems.
Thats why the game dont feature it. But If u are interrested in historical acurasy there is always the "swastika enabler" a small program that adds it to the planes ( I've seen it for download on many places....Mudmovers?) dont remember, but u'll find it.

XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 12:09 AM
It would be interesting to understand how that became a prevalent symbol in the Baltics.

Can anyone enlighten me, and perhaps others, please?

http://www.endlager.net/fis/pix/banners/fis_banner_07.gif


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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 02:22 AM
This link has probably more than you ever wanted to know about this symbol!


http://www.hostultra.com/~Exidor/Swastika/Swastika.html

XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 05:07 PM
Zyzbot wrote:
- I also found some information about red swasticas on
- Latvian planes
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Thanks Zyzbot. Sorry I couldn't thak you earlier... had some troubles with our server



Message Edited on 09/24/0309:51PM by Vengeanze

XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 08:40 PM
Swastika was indeed symbol of peace & luck before nazis twisted it's meaning.

I am interestend in historical accuracy and therefore installed Stab program before running the game twice.

It is pretty ignorant to confuse Von Rosen cross used by finnish and nazi symbol. Germany was our natural ally during the continuation war offering valuable, allthough quite minimal equipment aid to our eastern front. No one should still think that finns used swastika symbol too.

Even bigger mistake is to think that all germans were nazis during the war. <---| This really occurs from time to time.

Reiskapappa

"Be your own disciple"

XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 08:46 PM
"It would be interesting to understand how that
- became a prevalent symbol in the Baltics."

This is interesting question, allthough latvian red symbol is not exactly the same as german swastika, it really looks the same, beside the color.

I think that usage of that red cross was more or less forced by german leaders when Germany "liberated" baltian countries from russian grip.

Btw, there is no 'but' before I got better... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif)

Reiskapappa

"Be your own disciple"

XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 09:31 PM
I don't know much about the history of the swastica, but here's a pic I found of the Buddha Amitayus, holding a vase containing Amrita-the nectar of the Gods

http://www.uploadit.org/files/240903-Budha.jpg


http://www.uploadit.org/files/170903-Requestforlanding02.JPG


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