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FOE_Pappy
08-19-2005, 10:28 PM
S!
It was very kind of Hristo to demo today on War Clouds the problem with the 190 DM.

Sorry your K/D took such a hit, with 8 KIA's and one capture, flying the 109 but all were pleased you stuck with it thru-out the day and did not go back to the 190, no matter what Red pilots were on.

Thanks for the demo on how to chase a plane back to his base, assist your team mate in shooting down a plane and how to let you team mate fight for himself. All great tactics the Red players are looking for. Good job.

Again, thanks for showing how effective and historic the 190 is in the game, in its ability to fly back to base after being shot up.

Good job show us some more of your great skills and tactics. PLEASE

FOE_Pappy
08-19-2005, 10:28 PM
S!
It was very kind of Hristo to demo today on War Clouds the problem with the 190 DM.

Sorry your K/D took such a hit, with 8 KIA's and one capture, flying the 109 but all were pleased you stuck with it thru-out the day and did not go back to the 190, no matter what Red pilots were on.

Thanks for the demo on how to chase a plane back to his base, assist your team mate in shooting down a plane and how to let you team mate fight for himself. All great tactics the Red players are looking for. Good job.

Again, thanks for showing how effective and historic the 190 is in the game, in its ability to fly back to base after being shot up.

Good job show us some more of your great skills and tactics. PLEASE

BaldieJr
08-19-2005, 10:45 PM
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JG7_Rall
08-19-2005, 10:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">flying the 109 but all were pleased you stuck with it thru-out the day and did not go back to the 190, no matter what Red pilots were on.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Again, thanks for showing how effective and historic the 190 is in the game, in its ability to fly back to base after being shot up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm confused. He flew the 109 the whole time but managed to simultaneously show you how "effective and history the 190 is in the game"!?!? D4mn, Hristo is an ace for sure!!!

BaldieJr
08-19-2005, 10:47 PM
I stepped in poo. Again.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Fish6891
08-19-2005, 11:14 PM
I don't mean to brag, in fact I hate to, but I don't think this argument is fair...I do as well in the 109s as I do in the 190s, check for yourself :P

http://www.war-clouds.net/wf-stats/index.php?navigation=pilots/181/index.html

I simply don't think its fair to conclude that the 190 is some "unstoppable force" simply because Hristo had a bad day on the 109 when he usually does well in the 190.

If you check my "favorite planes" section, you can see that I fly about as much 190 as I do 109 (in fact lately I've been 109ing a bit more for a change). Now regardless of any DM mumbo-jumbo my kill rate is between 7 and 8 kills per hour in all aircraft that I fly consistently, and I don't get myself killed too often regardless of what I'm flying.

And if you'd like to see a replication of this in a red plane you can get it by checking the list of all the planes I've flown.

The only plane I've been consistently flying on red lately is the SpitIX, but I'm thinking of answering 310th-Diablo's warcry and going Jugging soon :]

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying theres nothing wrong with the 190 DM, all I'm saying is that its not fair to say that a pilot's success is all a direct product of the aircraft he's manning.

Core concept for success in these planes doesn't really change from one plane to the other. The little stuff changes, but the big picture doesn't.

Fish6891
08-19-2005, 11:27 PM
O and btw, regardless of what anyone thinks, Hristo's got some skillz http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

He has one of the "cleanest" flying styles I've ever seen if you know what I mean, plus he uses his brain well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Lucius_Esox
08-19-2005, 11:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">He has one of the "cleanest" flying styles I've ever seen if you know what I mean, plus he uses his brain well </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

From what I have seen I agree. But without wishing to sound to flippant it's not his flying skills which cause the problems,,, it's his verbal ones's...

WarWolfe_1
08-19-2005, 11:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">it's his verbal ones's... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Its usally the kids that got stuffed in trash cans the most with the biggest mouth anywhere on the net.

fordfan25
08-19-2005, 11:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WarWolfe_1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">it's his verbal ones's... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Its usally the kids that got stuffed in trash cans the most with the biggest mouth anywhere on the net. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

agreed. *ford stairs at TAGERT* hehehhe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif j/j

FOE_Pappy
08-20-2005, 01:02 AM
S! Fish, Your stats show:
109, 68 sorties, 8 KIA/capture, 8.5 sortie/death ratio.

190, 36 sorties, 2 KIA/capture, 18 sortie/death ratio

Your success is not as good in the 109 as the 190, you are more than twice a likely to die in a sortie flying the 109.

It is not he number of kills you can rack up with the 190 or 109, but the KIA you avoid due to the 190 DM.

So when Hristo flew the 109 for a large series of sorties instead of the 190 it did become a demo of the 190 DM as his KIA sky rocketed. As to a bad day, he can try to demo the same success he has in the 190, in the 109 another day.

I do not think anyone is questioning his flying skills, he is a "clean" flyer. But his mouth berating the Red tactics, when he does not use the tactics, in general and trying to use the present 190 DM to demo history, gets old and I assume he does it only to be the "class clown", I hope, although he seems to think it gives him some edge in the game.



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USAF_pilot
08-20-2005, 01:14 AM
A load of bull####
Flying the 109 and getting more KIA does not mean 190 is ubered or its DM is too tough.190's and 109's require different fighting techniques.190's are **** at any tnb or dogfighting and rely on safe hit and run or slashing attacks and hence are rarely even seen by the enemy.109's on the other hand do not have the high speed maneovering of 190's and rely more on mixing it up with the enemy than 190's which leads to more KIA's.This has nothing do with DM.

Hristo_
08-20-2005, 01:15 AM
At least half of my deaths are spawn kills. FYI.

When I flew the 109, I mixed it up with Spits. A single Spit on my six is not a problem when I fly 109. But two usually gets me shot down.

As I said, I don't have the discipline for safe flying all the time. Thus the score suffers. But overall, Blue team dominates.

If you want to check individual scores, there are far more successful pilots than me. Grauadler, Fish and other top pilots come to mind. None of the Red guys though.

109 is a great plane, but it lures its pilot into feeling alittle more invincible. Thus many like to take risks, me included. Usually I go for fights I would not even think of entering while in 190. There's your anwer.

How can one say it is because of 190 DM is beyond me, as I rarely get shot at at all when flying the 190.

If anyone wants a serious discussion, he should not be looking for it in these two threads. I've flown both 109/190 for quite few years online and it boils down to simple answer - 109 gives you thrill, 190 gives you score.

P.S.
Pappy, you're on. Now you gave me new motivation for streaking. I will take best 190 available, fly like a puss and come here to brag about it. Be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Xiolablu3
08-20-2005, 04:25 AM
I cant beleive a red vs blue menatlity has developed on this forum...

Did we learn nothing from WW2?

Fly ALL sides, even the teams and forget your precious K/D ratio, its a GAME, you have FUN with it, remember??

SeaFireLIV
08-20-2005, 04:38 AM
You tell him, FOE_Pappy.

Actually I find warclouds very unrealistic in its`s depiction of aircraft numbers, types etc, but it`s ok for a few runs.

Since Hristo`s Goering`s speech I`ve started flying Warclouds a little more to show that RED can teamwork and does. They also do very well. Of course Hristo Goering does not mention this, preferring to criticise Red and praise Blue only.

It pleases me to see Hristo`s energy flagging after hit after hit (both on warclouds and here) and though he won`t admit because he knows he`s safe behind his monitor, it`s clear that much of his bragging has turned into hot air.

arcadeace
08-20-2005, 04:48 AM
Lol SeaFire. Who says you need a sense of humor? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hristo_
08-20-2005, 05:01 AM
OK, hotshots, here's a challenge.

Try to sink Hristo's K/D below 1. That way he will be losing the fight. Until then, Hristo is winning. Simple math.

You are welcome to try.

arcadeace
08-20-2005, 05:39 AM
Hristro I'm sure you€re way too good for me, I don€t even fly online. I don€t even care about blue versus red. But I am getting a kick out of your cyber "modesty" and genuinely curious mate. I can€t help to wonder if you€ve got the right stuff where it counts. I mean how many others could be happy with your ego getting off on the joystick? I know that is kind of a low blow, I€m really not serious. But having fun is one thing, becoming obsessed another, and for all appearance sake that€s what you are. Sitting back and watching all this its just easy to wonder... why? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hristo_
08-20-2005, 05:49 AM
Not really, I do have a life outside of this game. It is just that I took days off and am bored at home while my wife is away. Personally ? A married 31 yo construction engineer with hobbies.

Ego has always been there, though not as much as before. Check these links:

http://gandalf.totalcs.com/ahinfo/film/Hang_Hristo.txt

Especially this thread. Note when it happened. Note similarity to a thread on this board:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=...574&highlight=rumble (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=7574&amp;highlight=rumble)

As you can see, there is always some hot headed Allied supporter who takes the bait.

I'm just sorry that honest people like SeafireLIV take it too seriously.

P.S.
And a photo (http://free-kc.t-com.hr/nino/hristo.jpg) to worship if anyone is into these things http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

arcadeace
08-20-2005, 06:28 AM
Ok, I can€t believe I€ve actually taken the time to read the two links through but they were interesting. You seem to me to be basically the same guy. I know you€ve never been overly serious but if there€s one point in humor its not humor unless at least spoken with an ounce of truth. And when its goes on and on that ounce does become heavy. Personally I don€t care about the discussions; and I think the Ameriwhiners have taken the crown post-4.01. But there€s no question ego and the need to defend oneself is involved and you€ve been a catalyst, right in the midst with a load of others. It becomes €˜bragging rights€ and arrogance is a factor. It reminds me of the wonder woman vs full real arguments. Anyway to each his own, and sorry if I was overly personal. BTW I live in Vancouver just south of you.

Hristo_
08-20-2005, 06:43 AM
Well, it does tend to go too far as a rule, in my experience. Maybe the seed falls on a good soil, maybe I don't know when to stop. I never really expected 14 pages, to be honest. But I keep coming back for sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

To stay honest, lately I've seen Reds organizing more on WC. Blue, on the other hand, is getting a constant influx of non-English players which are always a problem when trying to coordinate. These players have benefit as well, as they don't clog the TS channel with Alabama weather reports and fishing info from Alaska http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Last two days I'm finding myself alone on comms more often than not, having to heavily advertise WC TS server and actually get 2-3 participants. After that it gets easier. As much as it is hard to admit, but at the time SeafireLIV and his buddies got me there was 0 people on Blue WC comms.

Today I literally begged people to get on comms, as there were no regulars online. Two joined TS channel. Three of us shot down 5 Red planes for the loss of 1. Not bad considering we never met or winged before. 4 out of 5 kills were mine, but that's only to stir the Red pot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

BSS_CUDA
08-20-2005, 07:26 AM
Hristo, the problem is you've become the class clown and no one takes you serious, you never have a serious debate about anything, your constant PSP photos and incesant trolling has become tiring, your online taunting and bragidocious attitude is at best wasted bandwith at worse a huge annoyance. maybe you have posted something serious here latley but ya know what. no one cares, your like the boy who cried wolf, and now you have your little prodigy USAF_Pilot following you around from thread to thread with some form of Idol worship, with his 1 or 2 line quips being his little Hristo wanna-be, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif as for the flying battleship the 190, it will change with the new patch just like it did with the last patch and maybe become a little more realistic than it is now, I should have takin a screenshot yesterday for the first time since 4.01 has been out I got a 190 to smoke, I actually had to do a doubletake to make sure it wasnt a 109 in disguise http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif you are right about the K/d ratio of the FW it will always be higher than the 109 because of its flying style. but if you want to prove how good you are, try to be like fish and fly the Jug. if you can do as well in it as you do the 190 ( same flying styles ) then I'll give ya props. until that time your flying with a seriously whacked DM that gives you a huge advantage against the allied planes mostly the 50's as you can empty you entire load into them and not bring them down. I once hit a 190 237 times before I ran out of ammo and it still didnt go down, heck a HE-111 wont take that kind of damage. I've never had the priviledge of engaging you on WC, but I'm sure the time will come, one of us will live and one will not. Salute to you before that day http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Hristo_
08-20-2005, 07:41 AM
So, after 6 years of flying 109/190 from sim to sim and patch to patch, I should be flying Red ? Yeah, like hell freezing over http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

My threads serve a purpose. They are a finger in the eye of every "we won the war" little John Wayne wannabe whiner who cries about undermodelled P-38, weak .50 cals or Oleg's bias.

BSS_CUDA
08-20-2005, 07:52 AM
first off John Wayne DID win the war!!!! I saw it on TV so it must be true http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif second off no guts no glory, we all know that the 190 DM is porked, so who's really flying the Clown wagon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Monson74
08-20-2005, 07:57 AM
What is this talk about the FW DM being off? I've been flying this bird for 3+ years now & I've never had any problems getting shot down. Yes it IS tougher than the Bf, Spit & pony but it should be - that's the way it was in RL. I think the problem is that you .50 guys don't get to see the same spectacular visual effects when you score hits as the cannon-boys do but I tell you that 2x3 or 2x4 rows of .50s hurt a LOT - even in an FW http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fish6891
08-20-2005, 08:05 AM
Fine :P

Not necessarily same K/D ratio in those 2 planes, but success in both regardless. Also take into account that the 190 has always been my favorite plane, I learned this sim on he 190 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

In addition, take into account that the 190 IS a better plane, and not just at HnR as some people like to think it is. The only situation I believe a lone 109 can handle undoubtedly better than a lone 190 is fight a superior number of enemies all of whom which have the E-advantage. In groups forget it, 190 surpasses 109 in all departments.

All I really want to get through though, is that while I do agree that the 190 DM is buggy, it is not as "unstoppable" as its being made out to be, and its not fair to say that successful pilots who fly the 190 owe it all to the plane.
It takes quite a bit to get the most out of this plane.

Hristo_
08-20-2005, 08:10 AM
It is quite ironic to talk about Fw 190 being invincible when it gets shot down just as any other plane, while at the same time flying a fantasy plane.

When I fly I see the same guys flying Fw 190 just as they did in 3.01 and versions before that. When they do their stuff right, they win. When they mess it up, they get shot down.

Fish is very right. I can only add that a many vs many scenario boils down to number of guns in the air. Preferably cannons. Toughness is also welcomed. The rest is just window dressing, to paraphrase an Air Warrior pilot from 1990s.

Even when defnsive, a team of 190s can fend off attacks much better than a team of 109s. Again, number of cannons in the air.

Only scenario where I'd put 109 in front of 190 is 1 on 1.

Fish6891
08-20-2005, 08:14 AM
O and btw,

Though I've only had this sim since patch 3.01
The 190 has kicked MAJOR butt in all 4 patches that I've been around for imo, regardless of any patch hooplah http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The patches change little stuffs, basic virtues intrinsic to most planes dun change, and since the 190 has the most effective combination of attributes out there....... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ploughman
08-20-2005, 08:16 AM
"My threads serve a purpose. They are a finger in the eye of every "we won the war" little John Wayne wannabe whiner who cries about undermodelled P-38, weak .50 cals or Oleg's bias."

I would never have had you down as a social worker. I guess we all fight the good fight in what ever ways we can. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hristo_
08-20-2005, 08:18 AM
Here's a thread from Fw 190A-5 vs P-51D many vs many from another online sim.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=...574&highlight=rumble (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=...574&amp;highlight=rumble)

It is a sim completely unrelated to this one, and is made in Texas, coded by US programmers and distributed by an US company. Lead coder and company owner is HiTech, whose favorite plane is P-51, which he has flown in for a number of times.

Number of cannon in the air, again.

F19_Olli72
08-20-2005, 09:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hristo_:
My threads serve a purpose. They are a finger in the eye of every "we won the war" little John Wayne wannabe whiner who cries about undermodelled P-38, weak .50 cals or Oleg's bias. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Im just curious why you never raised your voice about P-38s in previous patches? Could it be...BECAUSE IT WAS UNDERMODELLED?????

Torque, incredible gunshake, subpar turnrate...all of that had to be endured by the P-38 jocks. Even now, its hardly possible to make a cloverleaf turn.

All of this while your not man enough to admit the FW190 is overmodelled. Shame on you Hristo, shame on you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SeaFireLIV
08-20-2005, 10:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hristo_:
My threads serve a purpose. They are a finger in the eye of every "we won the war" little John Wayne wannabe whiner who cries about undermodelled P-38, weak .50 cals or Oleg's bias. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Im just curious why you never raised your voice about P-38s in previous patches? Could it be...BECAUSE IT WAS UNDERMODELLED?????

Torque, incredible gunshake, subpar turnrate...all of that had to be endured by the P-38 jocks. Even now, its hardly possible to make a cloverleaf turn.

All of this while your not man enough to admit the FW190 is overmodelled. Shame on you Hristo, shame on you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aye, I used to agree with hristo on the whining about the P38, but had I realised he was so dishonest when it came to LW aircraft I would not have sided with him. I`ve learned my lesson.

Hristo_
08-20-2005, 10:16 AM
Fw 190 "overmodeled" ? In what way ?

Is it anything particular or just a blanket statement thrown for the sake of it ?

For what I know, the D-9 is about 20 kph too slow at 2000m and all 190s suffer from too low rollrate above 400 kph. Also, dive is severely undermodeled - it is not possible to replicate dives documented by test pilots because plane falls apart 100 kph below speeds they have safely reached.

How about the infamous bar ? I agree, this is the only aspect of 190 which is overmodeld. The bar should be made smaller.

HayateAce
08-20-2005, 10:21 AM
My new sig:

hiristo: "I will take best 190 available, and fly like a puss."


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Hristo_
08-20-2005, 10:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:

My new sig

HayateAce: I never dare to fly on WarClouds because I am an even greater puss. YAOI !!

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You should try it. I promise you it will be quick and painless http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Puss flying has the benefit of most kills vs fewest deaths with additional bonus of antagonizing John Wayne wannabes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

BaronUnderpants
08-20-2005, 10:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Fw 190 "overmodeled" ? In what way ?

Is it anything particular or just a blanket statement thrown for the sake of it ?

For what I know, the D-9 is about 20 kph too slow at 2000m and all 190s suffer from too low rollrate above 400 kph. Also, dive is severely undermodeled - it is not possible to replicate dives documented by test pilots because plane falls apart 100 kph below speeds they have safely reached. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

20 kph to slow at 2000m, too slow rollrate above 400 kph??...when was the last time u suffered from theese "undermoddeled" qierks, considering how Fw pilots usally flies?

100 kph to slow in "safe divespeeds", depends on what u mean by "safe".....read a biography by Pierre Clostermann a few years ago where he described how he and his wingman chased a high altitude photo plane from something like 10 000 meters in a very steep dive ( they be flying Spits, cant remember wich modell ) anywho....they reach the order of 900 kph and above and made it "safely" back to base...safely being if u dont take in to acccount that the 2 spits had to be scrapped after that ( wing surfeces had buckeld and looked like accordions ) and the 2 pilots suffering from internal bleedings.

Everything is relativ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

HayateAce
08-20-2005, 12:03 PM
Don't know about the rest of you folks, but I am starting to like this character.



http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


http://members.fortunecity.com/thefletchpage/laker.JPG

BSS_CUDA
08-20-2005, 12:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hristo_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:

My new sig

HayateAce: I never dare to fly on WarClouds because I am an even greater puss. YAOI !!

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>



You should try it. I promise you it will be quick and painless http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Puss flying has the benefit of most kills vs fewest deaths with additional bonus of antagonizing John Wayne wannabes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hristo, I think you keep forgetting that the guns are on the same end as the propeller not the tail http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

F19_Olli72
08-20-2005, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hristo_:
How about the infamous bar ? I agree, this is the only aspect of 190 which is overmodeld. The bar should be made smaller. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes lets talk about the gunsight view. I knew that was coming up, thats why i have prepared a little explanation for you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Even though its a moot discussion because Oleg has stated that he is not going to change it and his reasons for not doing so.

But you see, FW190 hasnt got the worst gunsight view. Its the P-47 razorbacks. As you can see the early Jugs gunsight regarding "negative deflection" is worse. By a margin, yes..but its worse. (actually if you measure the entire gunsight 'glass' its much worse so i was beeing nice and just measured from the middle to the inner ring) Measure yourself:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/Olli72/Forgotten%20Battles/gunsight.jpg
Not to mention in the Jug you also have a bar in the middle of cockpit that in reality you could see around by moving your head a cm or two to the side. Or not be bothered by at all because of stereoscopic vision.

So please, next time dont bring up the gunsight veiw. The Jug jocks has it worse, much worse http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Also ask yourself why the FW gunsight view is 'infamous' as you put it (after years of whining), but the P-47s isnt?

Poor gunsight view or not, the FW is overmodelled. How you ask? I know how, the rest of the folks on the forums knows how.

If you dont know how it is overmodelled its propably because you only read your own posts, try broaden your view a bit (sorry for the pun, couldnt resist) ORR might be a good place to start http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LeadSpitter_
08-20-2005, 02:09 PM
I really sense this is a scam, a desperate hope to get reds into warclouds. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Perhaps in september

faustnik
08-20-2005, 02:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
try to be like fish and fly the Jug. if you can do as well in it as you do the 190 ( same flying styles ) then I'll give ya props. until that time your flying with a seriously whacked DM that gives you a huge advantage against the allied planes mostly the 50's as you can empty you entire load into them and not bring them down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is no question that the Fw190 is too resistant to .50 fire and it skews the scores. I don't see how you can question this Hristo. Hispano rounds work well against the Fw190 but, not .50. 1C overadjusted in 4.01 trying to fix the too easy fire and fuel leak bugs of 3.04.

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Cuda,

I would still expect the Fw190 to do better than the Jug below 5K meters. It was more maneuverable, had better acceleration and more firepower.

Anyway, why are we supporting these cr4p threads anyway? Hristo and Hayateace can do their clown act by themselves. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

FatBoyHK
08-20-2005, 02:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> At least half of my deaths are spawn kills. FYI. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Another evidence proving the Blue team's excellent teamwork and communication.

BSS_CUDA
08-20-2005, 04:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
try to be like fish and fly the Jug. if you can do as well in it as you do the 190 ( same flying styles ) then I'll give ya props. until that time your flying with a seriously whacked DM that gives you a huge advantage against the allied planes mostly the 50's as you can empty you entire load into them and not bring them down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is no question that the Fw190 is too resistant to .50 fire and it skews the scores. I don't see how you can question this Hristo. Hispano rounds work well against the Fw190 but, not .50. 1C overadjusted in 4.01 trying to fix the too easy fire and fuel leak bugs of 3.04.

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Cuda,

I would still expect the Fw190 to do better than the Jug below 5K meters. It was more maneuverable, had better acceleration and more firepower.

Anyway, why are we supporting these cr4p threads anyway? Hristo and Hayateace can do their clown act by themselves. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

DOH!!! your right, someone forgot to put out the " Don't Feed the Trolls" sign http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif