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BlackBeardNerf-
02-05-2019, 12:55 PM
vortiger have fast bash than conqeruir
Vortiger have high damage than conqeruior
vortiger better feats than conqerior
vortiger have better full block stance than cqonerior

and vortiger can faint but conqerior cant not faint

Add new full block stance move When conqerior in full block stance conqerior can now press heavy attack top unblockable attack and heavy can be faint in shield bash

zone attack can now come from left and right random make enamy hard to parry conqerior zone attack


my idea conqeruior buff

add conqerior can now block enamy attack or conqerior attack enamy with light or heavy conqerior can go in full block stance

feats

Remove shield basher and give conqerior new feats Healing ward

rason shield bash should be remove from conqerior couse do only 3 damage and got nerf think about glad and cent do 10 damage one punch but conqerir bash do only 3 damage

Remove Punch througs and give conqeruior new feats HardStead

New feats conqerior hardstead make conqerior full block stance Enemies cannot throw you Enemies cannot Knocked down you enemies cannot not push back you and you can block Unblockable attack heardstead only work when you in full block stance

but when you use hardstead only work in full block stance but enamy can guardbreak you

Hardstead only work in full block stance can only counter trow knocked down push back and block enamy unblockable attack but enamy can still guardbreak you

3 feats hardStead Duration 50 sec 60 sec cooldown feats

hardstead its great feats make conqerior safe in full block stance but enamy can still guardbreak you

Buff conqerior healpool 140 up to 150

buff Charging heavy attack conqerior can now counter enamy guardbreak

Buff Flail uppercut its now undodge attack and unblockable attack

Buff faint heavy attack to bash more fast

Fail uppercut have now uninterruptibe stance

Buff conqerior zone attack cost low stamina

Conqerior superior block heavy attack its now unblockable

add conqerior new passive suerpior block light attack its unblockable

add new passive Conqerior heavy attack its now uninterruptibe heavy attack



do you have Idea people about conqerior move??


Conqerior cant not faint like vortiger can faint im feels conqerior should have better move than vortiger couse conqerior cant not faint but vortiger can faiet Unfair and killing heroes


Its how look Vortiger kill conqerior it ubiosft want??

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cvmhnEdc7X0/maxresdefault.jpg



when ubiosft accpet my suggestion buff conqerior

https://i.redd.it/3evr6bnfl2f01.jpg

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/94fab0d6-0d77-4833-ac3b-f89517970c63

im 100% in future vortiger its high wins rate in duel and high pick rate and high wins rate

ubiosft im cant not lets you kill conqerior its day
















its true how ubiosft make money and kill old heroes

https://pics.me.me/when-you-dont-know-weather-to-overprice-the-dlc-or-21211347.png

rottmeister
02-05-2019, 02:03 PM
Isn't BP's bash worse?

It's the same speed if I'm not mistaken, has worse tracking, can't be performed as a dodge attack and it doesn't have any special properties like superior dodge.

I don't think buffing Conq is the best for the game because he's been a very strong hero for the last few seasons and was on the number 1 spot in the data of Season 7 (duel). There are other heroes that are in dire need of a buff/rework and don't have the options Conq has.

In your other thread you even put Conq in S-tier for 2 categories, right now he's fine imo.

I'll leave this to the people that know all about the values and statistics of everything in the game, but this was just my feedback.

I don't know enough about the hero to go in detail, but I did read your ideas.

BlackBeardNerf-
02-05-2019, 02:19 PM
Isn't BP's bash worse?

It's the same speed if I'm not mistaken, has worse tracking, can't be performed as a dodge attack and it doesn't have any special properties like superior dodge.

I don't think buffing Conq is the best for the game because he's been a very strong hero for the last few seasons and was on the number 1 spot in the data of Season 7 (duel). There are other heroes that are in dire need of a buff/rework and don't have the options Conq has.

In your other thread you even put Conq in S-tier for 2 categories, right now he's fine imo.

I'll leave this to the people that know all about the values and statistics of everything in the game, but this was just my feedback.

I don't know enough about the hero to go in detail, but I did read your ideas.

There are other heroes that are in dire need of a buff/rework you means like warlord need rework im have right?


you can check my suggestion rework warlord https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1989965-Warlord-need-rework-Idea-its-how-to-fix-warlord?p=13924459#post13924459

Goat_of_Vermund
02-05-2019, 02:31 PM
Jesus, are you for real? Conqueror is probably the worst matchup bp can get, his bashes are better, he has better defense and better feints with better chains. The damage is the only thing where he is a little weaker. He is still far stronger than black prior, watch Bloody playing him on youtube and killing them. I am not even that good with him, and I think there was only one time a black prior defeated me, and only barely.

Judging from your posts, you basically want an autowin button instead of trying to learn the game. Bad news: this is already the strongest character, if you lose, that is because the opponent is better than you.

pretoastedwaffl
02-05-2019, 09:43 PM
I think conquerors bash and bps bash need a nerf each. For vortiger less damage and a slower recovery so the opponent gets a gb if they dodge it. For conqueror a slightly slower bash or higher stamina cost or a change so the conqueror can't delay the bash after dodging forward where he either dodges forward and iniates bash or dodges forward but can't iniate bash if he tries to delay it. Honestly trying to survive either when out of stamina is pretty tough.

Psykhozis
02-05-2019, 11:06 PM
i stopped reading when you said conqueror cant feint. his attack cancel into full block. that IS HIS FEINT. he is a defensive character, so it should be played that way. vortiger is a tank and a harasser. i agree that people spam his attacks and that annoys you, but thats why you have that big spacebar on keyboard. learn to play conqueror as you should and experiment with fullblock cancel, i see you don t know that yet. cheers

ArchDukeInstinct
02-06-2019, 03:25 AM
conqeruir

conqeruior

conqerior

cqonerior

conqerir

*shakes head*


Isn't BP's bash worse?

It has horrendous tracking and range but also far superior recovery and follow up options. For example, you can flow into bulwark slash and potentially add on another 30 damage.


I think conquerors bash and bps bash need a nerf each. For vortiger less damage and a slower recovery so the opponent gets a gb if they dodge it. For conqueror a slightly slower bash or higher stamina cost or a change so the conqueror can't delay the bash after dodging forward where he either dodges forward and iniates bash or dodges forward but can't iniate bash if he tries to delay it. Honestly trying to survive either when out of stamina is pretty tough.

If Conqueror couldn't delay the bash, then you could simply dodge immediately any time you see Conqueror dodge and you would nullify his bash/gb mixup entirely. You'd also be able to GB him every time since you dodged so early. It would make shield bash worse than worthless, it would be a huge liability to do.


i stopped reading when you said conqueror cant feint. his attack cancel into full block. that IS HIS FEINT. he is a defensive character, so it should be played that way. vortiger is a tank and a harasser. i agree that people spam his attacks and that annoys you, but thats why you have that big spacebar on keyboard. learn to play conqueror as you should and experiment with fullblock cancel, i see you don t know that yet. cheers

There's a big difference between Conqueror's full block cancel and a standard feint. Conqueror's full block delays any follow up actions by 400ms meaning it's impossible to catch someone's parry attempt or a dodge, let alone transition into another attack in another direction. Whereas with Prior he could go into a an unblockable bulwork slash forcing a reaction and then cancel into GB to catch any parry attempt or dodge.

Conqueror not having a standard feint is a significant disadvantage.

ChampionRuby50g
02-06-2019, 06:19 AM
Takes a special kind of person to shake their head at someone when their first language is mostly likely not English...




I think conquerors bash and bps bash need a nerf each. For vortiger less damage and a slower recovery so the opponent gets a gb if they dodge it. For conqueror a slightly slower bash or higher stamina cost or a change so the conqueror can't delay the bash after dodging forward where he either dodges forward and iniates bash or dodges forward but can't iniate bash if he tries to delay it. Honestly trying to survive either when out of stamina is pretty tough.

I donít know if itís confirmed, but yesterday when I was playing as BP I dodged another BPs bash and got a GB on them. They didnít tech it, so either they failed to react to me using GB on them, or you do get a guard break if you successfully dodge BPs bash with the right timing.

Cyroy95
02-06-2019, 08:02 AM
Takes a special kind of person to shake their head at someone when their first language is mostly likely not English...





I donít know if itís confirmed, but yesterday when I was playing as BP I dodged another BPs bash and got a GB on them. They didnít tech it, so either they failed to react to me using GB on them, or you do get a guard break if you successfully dodge BPs bash with the right timing.

If he inputs the light followup after you dodge his bash the GB is guaranteed, if he does not input the light he can tech it.

ArchDukeInstinct
02-06-2019, 08:22 AM
Takes a special kind of person to shake their head at someone when their first language is mostly likely not English...

Obligatory snark comment from Champ.

ChampionRuby50g
02-06-2019, 08:41 AM
Obligatory snark comment from Champ.

No need to be snark if you didnít act like a wanker all the time. The more you know hey?

Zombie.Face
02-06-2019, 08:47 AM
Funny how much concs cry. he says there is one class that can counter him and it needs a nerf! Conc should destroy every class with ease right!!! Btw, conc is still superior to BP. please don't whine as a conc player. your the last class to be complaining. conc should have been nerfed long ago when his win rate was 75% be lucky your conc still has the best shield bash in the game by far.

ArchDukeInstinct
02-06-2019, 09:29 AM
No need to be snark if you didn’t act like a wanker all the time. The more you know hey?

Are you sure about that Champ? Because you seem to have picked up the habit of inserting my name into threads at random without any input from me.

ChampionRuby50g
02-06-2019, 11:50 AM
Are you sure about that Champ? Because you seem to have picked up the habit of inserting my name into threads at random without any input from me.

If youíve ever drunk a lot of alcohol before you probably know your eyes go cross eyed and you can mistake an avatar for someone whose renowned to be snide, as can be seen by your now multiple comments been a grammar nazi for no particular reason.

Goat_of_Vermund
02-06-2019, 12:07 PM
Grammar is really important if you write a game suggestion with the intent of changing every players' gaming experience. Especially if you want a conqueror change this brutal, since he is without a doubt S tier, and is clearly a strong match against Black Prior. Grammar mistakes show that you don't care enough about your own posts to edit them. This means you probably did not think it through.

pretoastedwaffl
02-06-2019, 12:53 PM
I really am struggling with this bash because there's no counter to it. Some changes definitely need to be made to avoid spam

ooweda2blu
02-06-2019, 06:15 PM
I'm a conqueror since the first time it was available (closed alpha or beta, I don't remember) so I think that I know a bit well him.

Before the reply: I play on PS4 with 30 ping on a common LED TV that hasn't any game mode. The overall delay make my life a bit difficult against 400ms light spammers, but it isn't a big problem while I play as conqueror or other characters like lawbringer or PK (I play knights first, and when I have leveled them up to 12 I pick up another knight).
During the firsts months of For Honor conqueror was one of the worst character of the game: his combos were useless and he hadn't any good feint, and his full-block was a way to be an easy target. During these months I played only with parry and the shield bash. After some updates I learned how full block stance could be used to feint lights, and then my life in for honor was better. After that the conqueror's rework come and my main character became good with his combos. So since that update I didn't use shield bashes as attack tool. Feints on full block, and a good timing while you're doing your combo are enough to win. So now I win my matches without SB, I play as it doesn't exists. I do that because the spam of SBs was fair while the character was really bad, now its unfair spam it.


I think that vortiger isn't so powerful, at least him and conqueror could be on the same level. My opinion on a buff for conqueror is this: remove SBs and add more type of combos. I don't lie if I say that at master rank (last season I was a master) people at 15 ping can parry you so easily, and this thing make my gameplay style a big problem, because I don't use any SB and my atks could be parried easily. So I turtle, but without a common feint I must go in full block and expose myself to guardbreaks or other atks.

My idea is: I must enter in the full block stance to feint--> Ok, I want that you add to conq more combos and remove SBs (a no skill move).

I'm against each player that use SBs as their main atk tactic. I lost a certain amount of duels against other conqs (while I was playing conq) because they spammed SBs. Yes, I could too, but where's the fun to play unfair?

ChampionRuby50g
02-06-2019, 07:54 PM
Grammar is really important if you write a game suggestion with the intent of changing every players' gaming experience. Especially if you want a conqueror change this brutal, since he is without a doubt S tier, and is clearly a strong match against Black Prior. Grammar mistakes show that you don't care enough about your own posts to edit them. This means you probably did not think it through.

Grammar is really important if your writing a letter to your local government about an issue, not if you are posting on a Internet forum. I may be wrong, but OPs post gives the vibe of someone whose first language isnít English and they are trying to make it readable. I could understand what they meant, so could everyone else and more importantly the mods could. They share feedback from every type of person, no matter the spelling/grammar, because every person has a right to share their opinions. But when you are literally going around hanging sh1t onto people for spelling your main as ďconcĒ instead of ďConqĒ, then this means you probably have issues.

ArchDukeInstinct
02-07-2019, 03:18 AM
If you’ve ever drunk a lot of alcohol

LMAO. You just know it's downhill from here with a start like this.


before you probably know your eyes go cross eyed and you can mistake an avatar for someone whose renowned to be snide

So you've begun to hallucinate my name and avatar in other people's place? Sounds like something your psychiatrist should know.


as can be seen by your now multiple comments been a grammar nazi for no particular reason.

I'm not being a "Grammar Nazi". I merely poked fun at "Conqueror" being misspelled in so many different ways in just the first paragraph. It's really not that big of a deal.


Grammar is really important if your writing a letter to your local government about an issue, not if you are posting on a Internet forum.

I hope you applied that standard to your dozens of letters addressing random politicians about your urgent issue regarding a "man on the For Honor General Forums saying things I don't like".


They share feedback from every type of person, no matter the spelling/grammar, because every person has a right to share their opinions.

Me poking fun at the original post doesn't infringe on the poster's speech. Try again.


But when you are literally going around hanging sh1t onto people for spelling your main as “conc” instead of “Conq”, then this means you probably have issues.

Says the dude who is hallucinating my name and avatar in other people's places.

ChampionRuby50g
02-07-2019, 04:14 AM
Of course you would laugh at someone having a good time out socialising with people. Must be a weird concept for you.

So youíve never made a mistake, or never even owned up to making a mistake? Iím sure the pyschiartrist would say thatís a good thing.

Not that big of a deal making fun off someoneís English? Pretty sure thatís racist, but what do I know?

Never sent any letters, it was just an example to make a point. Try again.

Never said it was infringing on the posters speech, but you got me thinking that maybe that poster would be less inclined to post again when they get some random dude poking fun at their English. Try again.

Mods, donít close this thread. Iím not gonna reply after this.

MrB3NX
02-07-2019, 04:29 AM
conq is actually faster when it comes to repeating bash and slash

vortiger pushes you little farther and give you room to breath

your unskilled main have a broken offense and a broken defense and you demand a buff ?

conq block stance grants a very powerful orange deflect and it is way better than flipping .

MrB3NX
02-07-2019, 04:31 AM
not to mention the sprint attack

if you got comrades and you knock down someone by your sprint bash , it becomes 100000% better than vortiger sprint attack

stop being jealous and be logical .

Goat_of_Vermund
02-07-2019, 07:09 AM
Having some grammar issues is one thing. Misspelling everything is an other. I might be picky because I found it very hard to understand some of it.

OP:
Since I am sure the devs won't make any of this rework happen (especialyl since some of the reasonable requests, like a normal peacekeeper rework was ignored), I leave this here for you:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCV5Y_R6DsCzCkn2hsvOfsow
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEF-9ed1D0w81_B-qCzPMkg

These are the youtube channels of the two best conqueror players I know, you should check them if you struggle against the Black Prior. I tried all my mains out against different Black Priors, and out of all of them, the conqueror has the easiest time against him. A few things to look out for:

1. Black prior can bash after a forward dodge, after a light (or heavy if I am not wrong) a heavy softfeint,, or use a zone to mess with the timings. If you time your dodge well, you are playing one of the characters with a tool to punish him: side dodge shieldbash.
2. While Bulwark Counter is a strong tool, it works differently than the Conqueror superior block. The enemy must time a counter in it to catch your techniques, so you must try to figure out what kind of attack they will try to counter, and use that to your advantage. If you think they want to counter a light for example, throw out a top heavy, it will hit for good damage. If you think he will use the Bulwark Slash, just throw a forward shieldbash and hit him out. Or you can try to guardbreak if you think no Bulwark Slash is coming. I think it is extremely hard to predict the conqueror's next move in Bulwark Stance (unless it is a spammed forward shieldbash), and even if you lose some of these mindgames, it will cost only 30 hp, which is the same of your fullblock, and maybe even more situational. Heavy into shieldbash is an extremely useful tool against this stance if you don't make it predictable.
3. Black prior has two normal chains, but he can fastflow to Bulwark after every attack or every block, so expect to see some unblockables. They are only 30 damage too. It can be optionselected safely with a zone I think. Normal chains as well.
4. Black prior's main strenght is actually being the offensive party. If you don't let them and be the aggressor yourself, he will have only normal parries, the bulwark and superior lights against you. Since no dodge attack is available with this character, your forward shieldbash is almost unpunishable for them on miss (unless they dodge very early and guardbreak).

Hope this helps. Black Prior's worst match is conqueror and maybe warden.

ArchDukeInstinct
02-07-2019, 09:22 AM
So youíve never made a mistake, or never even owned up to making a mistake? Iím sure the pyschiartrist would say thatís a good thing.

The key difference being my mistakes never involve schizophrenic episodes.


Not that big of a deal making fun off someoneís English? Pretty sure thatís racist, but what do I know?

It's things like that which makes you look genuinely crazy. Me quoting a bunch of instances of the same word being misspelled in different ways is racism? LOL This is just pure desperation.


Never said it was infringing on the posters speech, but you got me thinking that maybe that poster would be less inclined to post again when they get some random dude poking fun at their English. Try again.

Well maybe you should stop blurting out "OH ENGLISH MUST BE A SECOND LANGUAGE FOR YOU" then, dummy.


Mods, donít close this thread. Iím not gonna reply after this.

I'm glad that you at least understand how much of a disaster this was for you and had the wherewithal to disengage and take your wet floor sign with you.