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269GA-Veltro
11-11-2005, 04:53 AM
Great news from SaQson:

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb....topic;f=144;t=001669 (http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=144;t=001669)

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269GA-Veltro
11-11-2005, 04:53 AM
Great news from SaQson:

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb....topic;f=144;t=001669 (http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=144;t=001669)

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stathem
11-11-2005, 04:58 AM
That is fantastic news.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Thanks for heads up

I think I'll look forward to that maybe even more than BoB!

FlatSpinMan
11-11-2005, 05:04 AM
Iiiinteresting! Thaks for that.

neural_dream
11-11-2005, 05:17 AM
That's like a dream http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Curtiss_P-6E
11-11-2005, 05:19 AM
What, in two weeks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Looks like fun but I wont hold my breath

Sturm_Williger
11-11-2005, 05:27 AM
Who cares how long.

The fact that it's coming has made my decade !!!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BSS_Goat
11-11-2005, 05:31 AM
Hope they dont use the current MG damage model ..... those old plane dont carry 20,000 rounds of ammo ya know.

womenfly
11-11-2005, 05:35 AM
AWESOME! .... AWESOME! .... AWESOME! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Does anyone have and english version of the site? I do not read russian well, (really not at all). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Thanks for the post!

Wonder how they convinced Oleg to fork over the codes?

Sturm_Williger
11-11-2005, 05:46 AM
Many skinners must be salivating too - all those weird and wonderful German skins... French too ( RFC were a bit staid tho' ).

I look forward to learning about and flying planes never seen in previous WWI games.

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Herustic_Algor
11-11-2005, 05:46 AM
http://www.sinical.net/contact.jpg

BSS_Goat
11-11-2005, 05:53 AM
This is what they have to say

"Ком¿?н¸Ñ GT оÑ"¸Ñ"*¸?лÑŒно обÑ*я²¸л? о н?Ñ"?лµ Ñ€?боÑ" н?´ но²Ñ"м ¸³Ñ€о²Ñ"м ¿Ñ€оµºÑ"ом ´ля PC ² ¶?нÑ€µ ?²¸?с¸муляÑ"оÑ€о², ¿о´ Ñ€?боÑ"¸м н?з²?н¸µм: ПµÑ€²?я œ¸Ñ€о²?я: Ñ"Ñ"*?Ñ€¸ µб?.

"µ'сÑ"²¸Ñ ¿о сю¶µÑ"у ¸³Ñ€Ñ" Ñ€?з²¸²?ÑŽÑ"ся ² ¿µÑ€¸о´ с 1916 ¿о 1918 ³о´Ñ" н? з?¿?´ном Ñ"Ñ€онÑ"µ, ºо³´? Ñ"Ñ€¸ сÑ"оÑ€онÑ": н³л¸Ñ, ¤Ñ€?нÑ"*¸Ñ ¸ "µÑ€м?н¸Ñ з?нÑл¸ обоÑ€он¸Ñ"µлÑŒнÑ"µ ¿оз¸Ñ"*¸¸ н? ³Ñ€?н¸Ñ"*?Ñ... ИµлÑŒ³¸¸ ¸ ¤Ñ€?нÑ"*¸¸. ˜мµнно Ñ"о³´?, н? з?Ñ€µ з?Ñ€о¶´µн¸Ñ ?²¸?Ñ"*¸¸, ²¿µÑ€²Ñ"µ ¿олуÑ"¸л¸ м?ссо²оµ ¿Ñ€¸мµнµн¸µ боµ²Ñ"µ с?молÑÑ"Ñ", ¸ ¿µÑ€²Ñ"µ ?сÑ" ¿Ñ€осл?²¸л¸ с²о¸ ¸мµн? ´µÑ€зº¸м¸ ¿обµ´?м¸ ² ¿µÑ€²Ñ"Ñ... ²оз´ÑƒÑˆнÑ"Ñ... бояÑ....

? Ñ"µÑ€Ñ€¸Ñ"оÑ€¸¸ болµµ 100 000 º²?´Ñ€?Ñ"нÑ"Ñ... º¸ломµÑ"Ñ€о² ¸³Ñ€оº¸ смо³ÑƒÑ" ¿Ñ€¸няÑ"ÑŒ уÑ"?сÑ"¸µ ² ¸з²µÑÑ"нÑ"Ñ... н?м ¿о ¸ÑÑ"оÑ€¸Ñ"µÑºо' л¸Ñ"µÑ€?Ñ"урµ зн?мµн¸Ñ"Ñ"Ñ... ср?¶µн¸ÑÑ... у ˜¿Ñ€?, œ?лÑŒмµзон?, ² о¿µÑ€?Ñ"*¸¸ у К?мбÑ€µ, ² ср?¶µн¸¸ н? Ñ€µºµ "¸Ñ, ¸ 'µÑ€´µнсºо' мясоÑ€Ñƒбºµ. ' ¸³Ñ€Ñƒ ¿л?н¸Ñ€ÑƒµÑ"ся ²ºлÑŽÑ"¸Ñ"ÑŒ 13 у¿Ñ€?²ляµмÑ"Ñ... ¸³Ñ€оºом лµ³µн´?Ñ€нÑ"Ñ... с?молÑÑ"о², сошµ´Ñˆ¸Ñ... º н?м с ¸ÑÑ"оÑ€¸Ñ"µÑº¸Ñ... ¸ллюсÑ"Ñ€?Ñ"*¸': Fokker Dr.1, Nieuport 17/17bis/23, SPAD XIII, Albatros D.III, Gotha G.V, Sopwith Camel, R.E.8, ? Ñ"?º¶µ ´о 30 с?молµÑ"о² ¸ ´¸Ñ€¸¶?блµ' ¿о´ у¿Ñ€?²лµн¸µм ˜˜ ¸ болµµ 60 мо´µлµ' н?зµмно' Ñ"µÑ...н¸º¸ ¸ обÑ*µºÑ"о² ¶¸²о' с¸лÑ". ' ¸³Ñ€µ бу´µÑ" ¿Ñ€µ´ÑÑ"?²лµн º?º о´¸ноÑ"нÑ"', Ñ"?º ¸ сµÑ"µ²о' Ñ€µ¶¸м (¸³Ñ€? Ñ"µÑ€µз ˜нÑ"µÑ€нµÑ"), ? Ñ"?º¶µ бу´ÑƒÑ" Ñ€?зÑ€?боÑ"?нÑ" ºом¿?н¸¸ ´ля ¸³Ñ€оºо² з? º?¶´ÑƒÑŽ ¸з сÑ"оÑ€он уÑ"?сÑ"н¸Ñ"* ºонÑ"л¸ºÑ"? ¸ у´обн?я с¸ÑÑ"µм? обуÑ"µн¸Ñ.

' осно²µ ¿Ñ€оµºÑ"? 뵶¸Ñ" ³лубоºо мо´¸Ñ"¸Ñ"*¸Ñ€о²?нноµ Ñ´Ñ€о ¸³Ñ€Ñ" ˜л-2 ¨Ñ"урмо²¸º оÑ" ºом¿?н¸¸ Maddox Games, ² ¸ÑÑ...о´нÑ"' ºо´ ºоÑ"оÑ€о³о ºом?н´? GT ¿л?н¸Ñ€ÑƒµÑ" ²нµÑÑ"¸ Ñ"Ñ"сяÑ"¸ ¸змµнµн¸', º?с?ÑŽÑ"¸Ñ...ся нµ Ñ"олÑŒºо ´об?²лµн¸Ñ но²Ñ"Ñ... 3D-мо´µлµ' Ñ"µÑ...н¸º¸ ¸ ¸змµнµн¸Ñ мо´µл¸ л?н´Ñˆ?Ñ"Ñ"?, но ¸ улуÑ"шµн¸Ñ ³Ñ€?Ñ"¸Ñ"µÑº¸Ñ... ¸ з²Ñƒºо²Ñ"Ñ... с¿µÑ"*эÑ"Ñ"µºÑ"о², ºоррµºÑ"¸Ñ€о²º¸ мо´µл¸ ¿олÑÑ"? ¸ мо´µл¸ б?лл¸ÑÑ"¸º¸ сÑ"Ñ€µлºо²о³о ²оору¶µн¸Ñ, ¸ мно³оµ ´Ñ€Ñƒ³оµ, Ñ"Ñ"о ¿оз²ол¸Ñ" ¿о´няÑ"ÑŒ ÑƒÑ€о²µнÑŒ ¸³Ñ€Ñ" ´о со²Ñ€µмµннÑ"Ñ... сÑ"?н´?Ñ€Ñ"о² ?²¸?с¸муляÑ"оÑ€о² н? 2006 ³о´.
ПÑ€µ´²?Ñ€¸Ñ"µлÑŒн?я ´?Ñ"? Ñ€µл¸з? ¿Ñ€оµºÑ"? €" ºонµÑ"* осµн¸ 2006 ³о´?. ˜з´?Ñ"µлµм ¿Ñ€оµºÑ"? я²ляµÑ"ся ºом¿?н¸Ñ 1С."


Sounds great!

anarchy52
11-11-2005, 06:03 AM
Yawn...
I doubt that WWI sim can be as interesting as WWII.
Try flying Cr42 or Gladiator...fun for a change but gets boooooring very fast.

I'll skip that one

Sturm_Williger
11-11-2005, 06:11 AM
Considering how many low turnfights to be found online, I can't see that it will be any more boring than IL2 now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Also, there was plenty of ground-pounding, bomber/recon escorting etc. going on.

And no cannon-effectiveness whines http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

PBNA-Boosher
11-11-2005, 06:14 AM
S!


E!


5!



AAAAAAAAAAAY!

Boo ya Se.5a!

TY Oleg & 1C!

PBNA-Boosher
11-11-2005, 06:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
Hope they dont use the current MG damage model ..... those old plane dont carry 20,000 rounds of ammo ya know. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They aren't armored either.

stathem
11-11-2005, 06:22 AM
No worries about self-sealing fuel tanks either...

PK bug might be bad thou'

Inadaze
11-11-2005, 07:10 AM
Awesome News! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

rickster3459
11-11-2005, 07:15 AM
Looking forward to it,ought to be a lot of fun!S! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

269GA-Veltro
11-11-2005, 07:38 AM
Some info about the WW1 aviation:

http://www.airwar.ru/fw1e.html#p8

269GA-Veltro
11-11-2005, 07:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sturm_Williger:
Considering how many low turnfights to be found online, I can't see that it will be any more boring than IL2 now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Also, there was plenty of ground-pounding, bomber/recon escorting etc. going on.

And no cannon-effectiveness whines http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well said! We have P51, P47, Bf 109 but we fly them as they was Albatros...

Popey109
11-11-2005, 07:42 AM
I'll wait and see...I do wish it was Oleg doing it, I dont know anything about this company, what they've done before? we've all bit*ched about IL2, FB, PF, but always had Oleg to bit*ch at http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif and to his credet, like what he did or not, he supports us with patches and new content (most of it for free) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif anyone know anything about this group?

jimDG
11-11-2005, 07:55 AM
Hm, I wonder how the FM would be. Those planes have no controls harmonisation what so ever, and rely heavily on rudder for all maneuvers. And the Camel would spin at the slightest provocation.
I certainly hope its NOT gonna be realistic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

neural_dream
11-11-2005, 07:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jimDG:
I certainly hope its NOT gonna be ralistic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Then Winds of War is a very good one. No reason to wait for another.

jimDG
11-11-2005, 08:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
This is what they have to say

"Ком¿?н¸Ñ GT оÑ"¸Ñ"*¸?лÑŒно обÑ*я²¸л? о н?Ñ"?лµ Ñ€?боÑ" н?´ но²Ñ"м ¸³Ñ€о²Ñ"м ¿Ñ€оµºÑ"ом ´ля PC ² ¶?нÑ€µ ?²¸?с¸муляÑ"оÑ€о², ¿о´ Ñ€?боÑ"¸м н?з²?н¸µм: ПµÑ€²?я œ¸Ñ€о²?я: Ñ"Ñ"*?Ñ€¸ µб?.

"µ'сÑ"²¸Ñ ¿о сю¶µÑ"у ¸³Ñ€Ñ" Ñ€?з²¸²?ÑŽÑ"ся ² ¿µÑ€¸о´ с 1916 ¿о 1918 ³о´Ñ" н? з?¿?´ном Ñ"Ñ€онÑ"µ, ºо³´? Ñ"Ñ€¸ сÑ"оÑ€онÑ": н³л¸Ñ, ¤Ñ€?нÑ"*¸Ñ ¸ "µÑ€м?н¸Ñ з?нÑл¸ обоÑ€он¸Ñ"µлÑŒнÑ"µ ¿оз¸Ñ"*¸¸ н? ³Ñ€?н¸Ñ"*?Ñ... ИµлÑŒ³¸¸ ¸ ¤Ñ€?нÑ"*¸¸. ˜мµнно Ñ"о³´?, н? з?Ñ€µ з?Ñ€о¶´µн¸Ñ ?²¸?Ñ"*¸¸, ²¿µÑ€²Ñ"µ ¿олуÑ"¸л¸ м?ссо²оµ ¿Ñ€¸мµнµн¸µ боµ²Ñ"µ с?молÑÑ"Ñ", ¸ ¿µÑ€²Ñ"µ ?сÑ" ¿Ñ€осл?²¸л¸ с²о¸ ¸мµн? ´µÑ€зº¸м¸ ¿обµ´?м¸ ² ¿µÑ€²Ñ"Ñ... ²оз´ÑƒÑˆнÑ"Ñ... бояÑ....

? Ñ"µÑ€Ñ€¸Ñ"оÑ€¸¸ болµµ 100 000 º²?´Ñ€?Ñ"нÑ"Ñ... º¸ломµÑ"Ñ€о² ¸³Ñ€оº¸ смо³ÑƒÑ" ¿Ñ€¸няÑ"ÑŒ уÑ"?сÑ"¸µ ² ¸з²µÑÑ"нÑ"Ñ... н?м ¿о ¸ÑÑ"оÑ€¸Ñ"µÑºо' л¸Ñ"µÑ€?Ñ"урµ зн?мµн¸Ñ"Ñ"Ñ... ср?¶µн¸ÑÑ... у ˜¿Ñ€?, œ?лÑŒмµзон?, ² о¿µÑ€?Ñ"*¸¸ у К?мбÑ€µ, ² ср?¶µн¸¸ н? Ñ€µºµ "¸Ñ, ¸ 'µÑ€´µнсºо' мясоÑ€Ñƒбºµ. ' ¸³Ñ€Ñƒ ¿л?н¸Ñ€ÑƒµÑ"ся ²ºлÑŽÑ"¸Ñ"ÑŒ 13 у¿Ñ€?²ляµмÑ"Ñ... ¸³Ñ€оºом лµ³µн´?Ñ€нÑ"Ñ... с?молÑÑ"о², сошµ´Ñˆ¸Ñ... º н?м с ¸ÑÑ"оÑ€¸Ñ"µÑº¸Ñ... ¸ллюсÑ"Ñ€?Ñ"*¸': Fokker Dr.1, Nieuport 17/17bis/23, SPAD XIII, Albatros D.III, Gotha G.V, Sopwith Camel, R.E.8, ? Ñ"?º¶µ ´о 30 с?молµÑ"о² ¸ ´¸Ñ€¸¶?блµ' ¿о´ у¿Ñ€?²лµн¸µм ˜˜ ¸ болµµ 60 мо´µлµ' н?зµмно' Ñ"µÑ...н¸º¸ ¸ обÑ*µºÑ"о² ¶¸²о' с¸лÑ". ' ¸³Ñ€µ бу´µÑ" ¿Ñ€µ´ÑÑ"?²лµн º?º о´¸ноÑ"нÑ"', Ñ"?º ¸ сµÑ"µ²о' Ñ€µ¶¸м (¸³Ñ€? Ñ"µÑ€µз ˜нÑ"µÑ€нµÑ"), ? Ñ"?º¶µ бу´ÑƒÑ" Ñ€?зÑ€?боÑ"?нÑ" ºом¿?н¸¸ ´ля ¸³Ñ€оºо² з? º?¶´ÑƒÑŽ ¸з сÑ"оÑ€он уÑ"?сÑ"н¸Ñ"* ºонÑ"л¸ºÑ"? ¸ у´обн?я с¸ÑÑ"µм? обуÑ"µн¸Ñ.

' осно²µ ¿Ñ€оµºÑ"? 뵶¸Ñ" ³лубоºо мо´¸Ñ"¸Ñ"*¸Ñ€о²?нноµ Ñ´Ñ€о ¸³Ñ€Ñ" ˜л-2 ¨Ñ"урмо²¸º оÑ" ºом¿?н¸¸ Maddox Games, ² ¸ÑÑ...о´нÑ"' ºо´ ºоÑ"оÑ€о³о ºом?н´? GT ¿л?н¸Ñ€ÑƒµÑ" ²нµÑÑ"¸ Ñ"Ñ"сяÑ"¸ ¸змµнµн¸', º?с?ÑŽÑ"¸Ñ...ся нµ Ñ"олÑŒºо ´об?²лµн¸Ñ но²Ñ"Ñ... 3D-мо´µлµ' Ñ"µÑ...н¸º¸ ¸ ¸змµнµн¸Ñ мо´µл¸ л?н´Ñˆ?Ñ"Ñ"?, но ¸ улуÑ"шµн¸Ñ ³Ñ€?Ñ"¸Ñ"µÑº¸Ñ... ¸ з²Ñƒºо²Ñ"Ñ... с¿µÑ"*эÑ"Ñ"µºÑ"о², ºоррµºÑ"¸Ñ€о²º¸ мо´µл¸ ¿олÑÑ"? ¸ мо´µл¸ б?лл¸ÑÑ"¸º¸ сÑ"Ñ€µлºо²о³о ²оору¶µн¸Ñ, ¸ мно³оµ ´Ñ€Ñƒ³оµ, Ñ"Ñ"о ¿оз²ол¸Ñ" ¿о´няÑ"ÑŒ ÑƒÑ€о²µнÑŒ ¸³Ñ€Ñ" ´о со²Ñ€µмµннÑ"Ñ... сÑ"?н´?Ñ€Ñ"о² ?²¸?с¸муляÑ"оÑ€о² н? 2006 ³о´.
ПÑ€µ´²?Ñ€¸Ñ"µлÑŒн?я ´?Ñ"? Ñ€µл¸з? ¿Ñ€оµºÑ"? €" ºонµÑ"* осµн¸ 2006 ³о´?. ˜з´?Ñ"µлµм ¿Ñ€оµºÑ"? я²ляµÑ"ся ºом¿?н¸Ñ 1С."


Sounds great! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

most is bla bla publicity stuff.
heres the short version with the important stuff:
-name "WW1: Sky Knights"
-100 000 sq. km terrain - Ipres, Cambre, river Lis, Verdun, Malmaison battlefields
-13 flyable airplanes, 30 AI aircraft and airships (!!), 60 ground objects.
-Single and (net) multiplayer, campains, tutorials
-Better 3D models, better FM, better ballistics model, better terrain, better graphics and sound (compared to Il2) (I kinda doubt this last bit, what..everything is better?)
-End of autumn 2006 release.

OMK_Hand
11-11-2005, 08:46 AM
Via Babelfish:

http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr

"Company GT officially declared about the beginning of the works on the new play project for PC in the genre of aviasimulyatorov, under the working name: "the first world: Knights Of sky ". Actions on the subject of game are developed in the period from 1916 through 1918 at the western front, when three sides: England, France and Germany engaged the defensive positions on the borders of Belgium and France. Specifically, then, at the dawn of the origin of aviation, combat aircraft for the first time obtained mass application, and the first aces glorified their names by audacious victories in the first air battles. In the territory of more than 100 000 square kilometers the players can take part in the known to us on the historical literature glorious battles in Ypres, Mal'mezona, in the operation in To kambre, in the battle on the river of foxes, and the Verdun meat grinder. In game are planned to include 13 controlled by player legendary aircraft, derailed to us from the historical illustrations: Fokker Dr.1, Nieuport y"/.y"bis/¸, SPAD THE XIII, Albatros D.III, Gotha G.V, Sopwith Camel, R.E.8, and also to 30 aircraft and dirigibles under control OF THE II and more than 60 models of ground-based technology and units of kinetic energy. In the game it will be represented as single, so also net regime (game through the Internet), and companies for the players for each of the sides of participants in the conflict and convenient system of instruction will be also developed. At the basis of project lies the deeply modified nucleus of game "Il-2 the attack aircraft" from company Maddox Games, into initial code of which command GT plans to introduce thousands of changes, which are concerned not only the addition of new 3d- models of technology and change in the model of landscape, but also improvement in the graphic and sonic specials-effect, correction of the mission model and model of ballistics of rifle armament, and much other, which will make it possible to raise the level of game to the contemporary standards of aviasimulyatorov in 2006. Preliminary date of reliza of project - end of the autumn of 2006. The publisher of project is the company of yS"

F19_Orheim
11-11-2005, 09:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by anarchy52:
Yawn...
I doubt that WWI sim can be as interesting as WWII.
Try flying Cr42 or Gladiator...fun for a change but gets boooooring very fast.

I'll skip that one </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well mate, it's all up to preferences.... try flying a fast full metal weapons loadup stallion like the Corsair.... fun for a change but gets boooooooring very fast..

marc_hawkins
11-11-2005, 09:18 AM
Oh, i hope there's an SE5a in it, they are cooool.

Doug_Thompson
11-11-2005, 09:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
Hope they dont use the current MG damage model ..... those old plane dont carry 20,000 rounds of ammo ya know. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They aren't armored either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They aren't made of light alloy metal, either. Structurally, they were glorified kites with a big metal engine.

And they did have armor €" WWI pilots routinely sat on pot lids for wooden stoves. Protecting the family jewels, and all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

269GA-Veltro
11-11-2005, 09:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by marc_hawkins:
Oh, i hope there's an SE5a in it, they are cooool. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And the Fokker D.VII too...

BTW...i can't image a WW1 sim without the RAF Se5a.

Herustic_Algor
11-11-2005, 10:33 AM
http://www.bmwworld.com/images/engine/snoopy.jpg

crazyivan1970
11-11-2005, 10:54 AM
Just to clear this up....GT = Gennadich Team - people who made SC (Server commander) making this sim based on IL-2 engine with quiet a few changes.
I will ask Viks or Loft to drop by and give us more information on what, how and when.

womenfly
11-11-2005, 11:25 AM
Thanks CrazyIvan for the info. Please do keep us informed of the updates on this.

I think there is a lot more interest in a WW-1 sim then published..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

stathem
11-11-2005, 11:30 AM
I realise that the 11th/11th doesn't have such connotations in Russia as it does in Western Europe, but is the timing of this announcement deliberate or just memorable coincidence?

sakai2005
11-11-2005, 11:45 AM
correct me if im wrong but bailing out of the plane was not a option in ww1.you got it home you live nice incentive not too screw up.

Doug_Thompson
11-11-2005, 12:24 PM
The decision against issuing parachutes to WWI pilots was foolish.

The Germans, finally, issued some parachutes in 1918. This was after years of wastage. They tried to save some of their greatly diminished pool of pilots. The German 'chute wasn't carried in a pack, but was drawn out of an opening behind the pilot. It was stored in the rear of the fuselage.

The official story we hear from ever nation was that officers thought too many pilots would abandon their expensive aircraft if they had parachutes. Nobody argued that sailors might abandon their very expensive ships if the navies used lifeboats.

I find it impossible to believe that even the officer corps in WWI were that stupid. Surely the decision has something to do with weight.

Just the oil and fuel in a fighter aircraft in WWI could weigh more than 130 pounds. A couple of machine guns could weigh 75 pounds without ammo. So, 50 pounds or more of parachute was a significant investment for a WWI-era aircraft. Then there's the added cost of the parachute itself.

It was penny wise and pound foolish, even if you leave the human aspect completely out.

The idiots should have realized that a coward without a parachute was more likely to avoid the enemy than engage and then jump. They should also have realized that a plane with an experienced pilot in it and an additional 50-100 pounds beats a lighter plane with a rookie any day, and not just for fighter combat.

Kuna15
11-11-2005, 01:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
That's like a dream http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ditto - absolutely great news. Planned for end of 2006.

jds1978
11-11-2005, 02:49 PM
sweet-more stuff to buy (LOL)

seriously, this is cool...now if we can get someone (anyone) to cook up a good Korean War sim...

Kapteeni
11-11-2005, 03:14 PM
WW1!Holy Yessus!!Me have waited so long. My first sim was Da Flying Corps. Jets are No NO for me, but those biplanes... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

major_setback
11-11-2005, 03:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OMK_Hand:
Via Babelfish:

http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr

" ....In the territory of more than 100 000 square kilometers the players can take part in the known to us on the historical literature glorious battles in Ypres, Mal'mezona, in the operation in To kambre, in the battle on the river of foxes, and the Verdun meat grinder...." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I know so little History. I never even knew about the 'Verdun meat grinder'. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Feathered_IV
11-11-2005, 05:24 PM
http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/woot-17721.jpg


RAAID!!! Hurry up and finish that time machine. I want my copy now!

At last, aircraft that will make the antics of DF rooms historically accurate. Lone-wolf missions, mellee-combat and limited cooperation without TS were De rigeur. Whatever that means http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.

polak5
11-11-2005, 05:31 PM
If they are using the IL2 engine i can expect it to be kickA$$. Them planes look sexay.

carts
11-11-2005, 06:42 PM
God,i have waited so long for a decent WW1 Sim,please let it happen

civildog
11-11-2005, 07:33 PM
S.E.5 won the war.

Doug_Thompson
11-11-2005, 07:38 PM
Hispano-Suza (sp?) won the air war -- by powering S.E. 5a's and SPAD 13s.

r_c
11-11-2005, 08:15 PM
can not wait to take that Dr1 for a loop.. specially with trackir support! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif The detail shots look gr8

J_Weaver
11-11-2005, 08:34 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif I've been waiting for this since Red Baron. I hope it all works out!

Herustic_Algor
11-11-2005, 09:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CivilDog:
S.E.5 won the war. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Negative!

The Sopwith Camel won the war!!

Doug_Thompson
11-11-2005, 09:59 PM
I was really excited about this announcement. Then I remembered how long I've been waiting for "PT Boats: Knights of the Sea."

Still, this WWI game will use an existing game engine. I'll dare to hope.

3.JG51_Molders
11-11-2005, 10:01 PM
About **** time too! My RBD 3d is starting to mess up on my system http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif I just hope the AI are "smarter" than the ones in the IL2 series. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

carguy_
11-12-2005, 03:44 AM
Nice,I was wondering how longer does it take me to surpass Richthofen.The red plane looks sooooooooooooo evil!

And for those who think it`s all gonna be like the I153.Don`t.

Friendly_flyer
11-12-2005, 04:24 AM
This is going to be like flying the Gladiator, only better! Ooooo, can't wait!

Troll2k
11-12-2005, 04:50 AM
The end of 2006.So the same time as BoB.It will be a busy holiday season at the software shop.

MaxMhz
11-12-2005, 07:33 AM
this realy [b] IS [/B GREAT NEWS http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

If I read correct it's not IL-2 nor Maddox though (not that that matters that much http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I do hope we'll get the landscape like IL-2 series has though... with a custom landscape/map editor would make this sim irresistable for me...

and yes - the fokker looks great!
Looking forward to This VERY MUCH - I don't think my system will be able to run BoB decent anyway. anf I don't even want massive ground war - I just wanne fly !
some better than il-2 series AI would be great too - on that matter - why not make it programmable? it would not have to be very sofisticated... something like look left/right etc with some standard manouvre replies would go a long way.
i JUST LOVE ww1 planes

I do hope Sharx gets il2skins going before the release http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ... think about the grest skins they had...

Tooz_69GIAP
11-12-2005, 05:23 PM
I wonder how the maps will look. Building the trench system that existed will be a bit of a challenge, I'd say. But I'm certainly looking forward to seeing the textures, and features, like blown up farm houses, churned up and cratered battlefields, machine gun emplacements, artillery positions, etc, etc. And of course, the ad hoc airfields that existed then.

Definately looking forward to this!!!

Tooz_69GIAP
11-12-2005, 05:28 PM
And about the map, I'd also be interested to see if it is planned to be one large map, or several smaller ones.

It would be possible to make it as one map, I suppose, as 100,000 square km works out as a little less than 320km x 320km. Those dimensions may be stretching it a bit for one map, but it is possible I think.

But then, to have just one map for a two year period in WWI would be appropriate I don't think. The trenches did move around a bit within that area, advances and retreats were made, new trenches built, old ones discarded, etc, etc. So, I'd say they'd plan to make a number of smaller maps of specific locations, perhaps at specific times.

Either way, it should be cool.

scottmal1
11-12-2005, 05:50 PM
I really hope this one kicks off, i'm in!!

airdale1960
11-12-2005, 06:38 PM
Great news, I remember the 1st time I played the original Red Baron, exhileration. Then RBII/RB3D was OK but not the same. CFS1 & 2 was also fun, but the 1st time I played IL-2FB, I got that same ole' feeling of exhileration. Maybe this one will bring the excitement back to the WWI sims.

T_O_A_D
11-12-2005, 07:15 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/T_O_A_D/Smilies/party-smiley-020.gif

Enforcer572005
11-12-2005, 10:19 PM
and i do truly hope it has a FMB similiar to Il2's.....that is a must.

And like has been said on here and by several guys on the forum this was started on.....Maybe these guys or some1 will use this engine to do a Korea sim. The russain perspective wiht all those pilots that participated and the recently released info on such would be great.

And while im fantasizing about this, wouldnt it be cool if some1 used this engine to make a tank sim like panzer commander was, but with brakes that work.....Well, i digress again.

but i would pay money for all this. I miss flying corps...cant get it to work wiht XP.

blue_76
11-13-2005, 01:18 AM
i can't wait to feel some wind on my face! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
11-13-2005, 01:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
And about the map, I'd also be interested to see if it is planned to be one large map, or several smaller ones.

It would be possible to make it as one map, I suppose, as 100,000 square km works out as a little less than 320km x 320km. Those dimensions may be stretching it a bit for one map, but it is possible I think.

But then, to have just one map for a two year period in WWI would be appropriate I don't think. The trenches did move around a bit within that area, advances and retreats were made, new trenches built, old ones discarded, etc, etc. So, I'd say they'd plan to make a number of smaller maps of specific locations, perhaps at specific times.

Either way, it should be cool. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This question was answered on SimHQ. It's gonna be one big map, as the majority of the major battles on the western front during 1916-18 happened within that 320km x 320km square.

But I wonder if they will have something like a 1916/1917/1918 map, with some changes to features like trench positions, different airbase locations, things like that.

I admit though, my knowledge of WWI is sketchy in the specifics as to locations, and advances, etc. It could be that there was not that much change in those 2/3 years of the war, so one map would do it. But I am going to assume they will have maps for the different seasons. At the very least, a summer and winter map.

Flying_Nutcase
11-13-2005, 01:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I admit though, my knowledge of WWI is sketchy... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think most of us have a lot to learn. Nothing like a good game/sim to get one studying history with unbridled enthusiasm. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
11-13-2005, 01:55 AM
Anyone got suggestions for books on WWI aircraft and airbattles, etc?

F19_Olli72
11-13-2005, 02:18 AM
The question is how they will model the landscape; before or after/during the battle. Because Somme didnt always look like this:
http://www.wereldoorlog1418.nl/somme/images02/somme-sdbd79.jpg

Those trees doesnt work as good camouflage anymore... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Vimy:
http://www2.hts.on.ca/senior/cthomso2/ENG4U/stonecarvers/vimy.h1.gif

stathem
11-13-2005, 02:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Anyone got suggestions for books on WWI aircraft and airbattles, etc? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I know it's not excately your question, but you can't go to far wrong with "The Camels are coming" by Capt.W.E.Johns

Yes, it's the first Biggles book but it's different in character than what the rest of the series became.

There's also a well reaserched novel "Goshawk Squdron" by Derek Robinson, which is a good read.

VVS-Manuc
11-13-2005, 02:36 AM
I am curious to read the first "my Camel can't outclimb the Fokker D VII, fix this...." Wahwah-whinings http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

F19_Olli72
11-13-2005, 02:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
Hope they dont use the current MG damage model ..... those old plane dont carry 20,000 rounds of ammo ya know. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They aren't armored either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Generally they weren't, but I stumbeled across this quote in "G¶ring, a biography" by David Irving.

"The days of easy kills were now over. On the day of taking over, G¶ring attacked a Caudron at point-blank range, and saw the bullets just bounce off the armor."

Guess the never ending gun-effectiveness debate will continue...

stathem
11-13-2005, 02:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
I am curious to read the first "my Camel can't outclimb the Fokker D VII, fix this...." Wahwah-whinings http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lol, I think we could could all accept that the DVII will be the uber-ist

F19_Orheim
11-13-2005, 03:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
Hope they dont use the current MG damage model ..... those old plane dont carry 20,000 rounds of ammo ya know. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They aren't armored either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Generally they weren't, but I stumbeled across this quote in "G¶ring, a biography" by David Irving <span class="ev_code_RED">EDIT</span>

"The days of easy kills were now over. On the day of taking over, G¶ring attacked a Caudron at point-blank range, and saw the bullets just bounce off the armor."

Guess the never ending gun-effectiveness debate will continue... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


David Irving? You mean the Holocaust Revitionist? I too bought this book many years ago in a bookstore. I thought it was decent book but never did know facts about the author until later. Books can be sneaky.... know the author so you are prepared if they try to sneak in propaganda of some sort.

Anyway, it was a interesting read but it always good to know who wrote it.. google "David Irving" and you'll find out who he is (but consider the source LOL). I know that he has a hard time finding an audiance nowadays, so making the book available for free on the internet does not surprise me.

F19_Olli72
11-13-2005, 03:38 AM
Ick thanks for the heads up Orheim. Maybe thats why the book was free lol! Anyway..i removed my link i dont want to help ppl like that to spread their krap. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Could u do the same in your quote Orheim?

stathem
11-13-2005, 04:40 AM
I wonder how they'll do the throttle on the Camel (for instance). If I've got this right, it was just on/off... If you wanted to slow down you had to turn the engine off.

Can anyone confirm/deny this?

F19_Olli72
11-13-2005, 04:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stathem:
I wonder how they'll do the throttle on the Camel (for instance). If I've got this right, it was just on/off... If you wanted to slow down you had to turn the engine off.

Can anyone confirm/deny this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"The Camel was powered by a variety of rotary engines during the production period.

# 130 hp Clerget 9B Rotary
# 140 hp Clerget 9Bf Rotary
# 110 hp Le Rhone 9J Rotary
# 150 hp Bentley BR1 Rotary
# 100 hp Gnome Monosoupape 9B-2 Rotary
# 150 hp Gnome Monosoupape 9N Rotary

The Gnome engines differed from the others in that a selector switch could could cut the ignition to all bar one of the cylinders to reduce power for landing. (This was because rotary engines did not have throttles and were at full 'throttle' all the while the ignition was on) On the others the engine had to be "blipped" using a control column-mounted ignition switch (blip switch) to reduce power sufficiently for a safe landing."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_Camel

Feathered_IV
11-13-2005, 05:27 AM
I wonder how they'll model changing the drum on a Lewis gun? I plan to be the first official DH-2 whiner.

Another thing would be flying as spotter for the artillery. Maybe a system similar to our wingman commands to get the shells zeroed onto the mark, before making a 'Zone Call' to bring down all the artilery from the entire sector onto the target.

And watch out for the fighters while you do it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And don't get me started on balloon busting...
Can we select Buckingham rounds as a loadout?

And and and......

Low_Flyer_MkII
11-13-2005, 05:36 AM
A few books to get you started, Tooz...

Jane's Fighting Aircraft Of World War I - The standard reference work, the profusely illustrated chapter on engines is fascinating even to a mechanical dunce like me. ISBN 1 85170 347 0

Tumult In The Clouds: The British Experience Of War In The Air, 1914 - 1918. Nigel Steel & Peter Hart. Hodder & Stoughton Publishing 1997.
A well-written history, using diaries and first hand accounts. ISBN 0 340 63845 1

America's First Air War: The United States Army, Naval And Marine Air Services In The First World War. Terry C. Treadwell. Airlife Publishing, 2000. A small and well written volume, very well illustrated throughout. ISBN 1 84037 113 7.

The First Air War: A Pictorial History 1914 - 1918. Terry C. Treadwell & Alan C. Wood. Brassey's 1996. Similar format to the above. ISBN 1 85753 122 1.

Over The Battlefronts: Amazing Air Action Of World War One. Peter Killduff. Arms And Armour Press, 1996. A collection of true short stories that reflect the experiences of fliers from many nations. A nice one to pick up for a quick read. ISBN 1 85409 265 0.

The Red Baron: Beyond The Legend. Peter Killduff.Cassell Military Paperbacks 2002. A good biography. Available in chain bookshops for 2.99. ISBN 0 304 35207 1.

Under The Guns Of The Red Baron. Norman Franks, Hal Giblin & Nigel McCrery. Grub Street 1998.
An unusual approach to the story - biographies and photographs of Von Richthoven's victims laid out in chronological order, next to his combat reports. With a few colour paintings to supplement the many other illustrations. ISBN 1 898697 96 5.

Ace With One Eye. Frederick Oughton and Comdr. Vernon Smyth. Frederick Muller Ltd. 1963.The Life And Combats Of Major Edward Mannock VC, DSO (2 bars), MC (1 bar) Royal Flying Corps. Could be hard to find, but it's my favourite WWI biography.

F19_Olli72
11-13-2005, 06:07 AM
Or, if you want pictures...go here: http://www.earlyaviator.com/archive1.htm

Lots of WW1 planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I hope there will be flyable bombers....like the Gotha IV
http://www.earlyaviator.com/archive/a/images/GothaG4_1a.jpg

Low_Flyer_MkII
11-13-2005, 06:25 AM
Some of it's a bit racy....

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/sanke_liebe.jpg

....but that's a great find, thank you.

ParachuteProne
11-13-2005, 06:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Anyone got suggestions for books on WWI aircraft and airbattles, etc? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Try to find "Tiger Squadron" by Wing Commander
Ira Jones - SE5A pilot - 40 kills. Flew with
Mick Mannock - Exellent first hand perspective.
Also a little bit in the book on WW2 although
he didn't do much flying then.

Mark

Ruy Horta
11-13-2005, 10:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
Great news from SaQson:

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb....topic;f=144;t=001669 (http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=144;t=001669)http://www.gennadich.com/img/dev/scr7+.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd really love to see a good new WW1 sim, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for one based on the visuals of one red Dreidecker.

Will we ever learn?

If anything must be clear by now it is the fact that screenshots of 3d objects, however beautifully done (kudos SaQson) guarantee absolutely nothing...

Still haven't seen all those beautiful Itialian fighters flyable, nor that great Yorktown class CV. There are more objects, with official endorsement there were used to tickle our imagination, never to see our final game.

But even if they manage to make a number of nice looking a/c, that hopefully handle realistically, we might still end up with a **** WW1 campaign / enviorment.

In fact we may end up with nothing more than WW1 aerial quake on Hyperlobby.

Far too early to get all lyrical, sorry.

On a side note, hence the picture, I hope the telelscope sight isn't default, since it was not standard equipment on the Dr.I.

A little more nitpicking, sorry SaQson, but if this is supposed to be one of Von Richthofen's Dreideckers, I'd love to see supporting evidence http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

To end on a positive note.

Good Luck, it would be nice to have a new WW1 sim! RB VGA was the sim that really caught my imagination (1991?)

Ruy Horta
11-13-2005, 10:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/sanke_liebe.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If she were hanging on my neck I'd be more than happy to fly without a parachute in a WW1 era a/c, no need for a crash helmet either!!!

Herustic_Algor
11-13-2005, 11:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Olli72:

"The Camel was powered by a variety of rotary engines during the production period.

# 130 hp Clerget 9B Rotary
# 140 hp Clerget 9Bf Rotary
# 110 hp Le Rhone 9J Rotary
# 150 hp Bentley BR1 Rotary
# 100 hp Gnome Monosoupape 9B-2 Rotary
# 150 hp Gnome Monosoupape 9N Rotary

The Gnome engines differed from the others in that a selector switch could could cut the ignition to all bar one of the cylinders to reduce power for landing. (This was because rotary engines did not have throttles and were at full 'throttle' all the while the ignition was on) On the others the engine had to be "blipped" using a control column-mounted ignition switch (blip switch) to reduce power sufficiently for a safe landing."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_Camel </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://peabodyfineart.com/everhart/ever039.jpg

VikS
11-13-2005, 01:10 PM
Hello everyone!
As about english part of GT forum here it is:

http://www.gennadich.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=37&sid=5...b0be8ccf8481085d26a8 (http://www.gennadich.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=37&amp;sid=54f709d19dc4b0be8ccf8481085 d26a8)

Feel free to post any questions/suggestions, and thanks for your attention.
S!

3.JG51_BigBear
11-13-2005, 01:33 PM
Is there any information on who will be distributing this outside of Russia?

MLudner
11-13-2005, 01:36 PM
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This is what they have to say

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Sounds great! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Uhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm, uh, DA?
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MLudner
11-13-2005, 01:39 PM
The graphics look good. Might be fun. Are they going to have random engine fires in the game? How about castor oil pasting the monitor?

Well, if they don't I guess I can just get my own castor oil and take sips periodically to get that realism feel.

That's called immersion!
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MLudner
11-13-2005, 01:45 PM
Oh, yeah! And, on the French fighters with the steel deflector plates on the back of the props to keep the MG's from cropping the props is there going to be a ricochet risk? Bullets deflecting back through the pilot's head from time to time?
Or, in really skilled hands: shooting the boche behind you with well placed ricochets?
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jugent
11-13-2005, 04:05 PM
Nice then we will know how good all russian WWI aircrafts where.

anarchy52
11-13-2005, 04:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jugent:
Nice then we will know how good all russian WWI aircrafts where. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure they outperformed anything german http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

crazyivan1970
11-13-2005, 04:29 PM
Gennadich Team has officially announced starting a new PC simulation project with working title 'WWI: Knights of the Sky".
The game's plot is based on historical standoff between Antanta and Germany on Belgium-France border back in 1916-1918. During this period, dubbed the dawn of airforce, combat aviation was born and first aces earned fame in daring dogfights. On territory 100 000 sqaure miles wide, players will be able to take part in famous battles at Ipres, Malmeson, Cambri, as well as Liese river operation and Verden 'meat mincer'. Users will be given an opportunity to fly 13 legendary airplanes including Fokker Dr.1, Nieuport 17/17bis/23, SPAD XIII, Albatros D.III, Gotha G.V, SopwithCamel, R.E.8. AI-controlled units will nsist of 30 NPC aircraft and some 60 types of ground units. The game will contain both single and multiplayer (LAN/Internet) modes as well as historically realistic
campaigns for both sides and user-friendly training missions. At the core, the game is based on the deep modification of Maddox Games' Il2-Sturmovik engine to which the team is planning to add thousands of new features. These changes will include new 3d models, terrain, video and sound effects, light/gunnery physics adjustments and many other things that will bring the game to modern standard. The project is currently scheduled to be released by Fall 2006 (Russian publisher is 1C).

Low_Flyer_MkII
11-13-2005, 04:30 PM
If they start a German 1919 project, I'll find out where they live and send them a very stern letter indeed. Don't say you haven't been warned http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

marc_hawkins
11-13-2005, 07:41 PM
Vickers gunbus won the war!

So excited i came down with a bad cold http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I've been interested in this stuff since i read a novel when i was a teenager called 'Goshawk Squadron' by Derek Robinson. Not read 'piece of cake' though! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif
That book and several novels by Sven Hassel certainly gave me a view on war i'd not seen anywhere else at the time, even if they were somewhat 'pulpy' fiction.

The lack of paracutes is going to be interesting... especially if you catch fire and your only options are jumping or burning. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

womenfly
11-13-2005, 08:03 PM
Looks like someone read all the posts here on a customer market wanting a WW-1 sim! .... Awesome http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

civildog
11-13-2005, 08:26 PM
Do you think that this time the developers will include gun jams as a result of long burst, jinking the plane around, and faulty belts? Lint buildup from cloth belts maybe? And a handy hammer to bang on the breech with.

We should also have the full progression of weapons, starting with bricks, Very pistols, sporting rifles, and lengths of chain before we get machineguns.

And for full realism will there be a switch for activating the unsightly effects of all those castor oil fumes and vapor?

neural_dream
11-13-2005, 08:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CivilDog:
Do you think that this time the developers will include gun jams as a result of long burst, jinking the plane around, and faulty belts </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was thinking of the same thing. A WW1 sim without breakdowns of various kinds would look like an IL-2 mod with more crapcraft. I'm afraid the latter is more possible.

Enforcer572005
11-13-2005, 09:39 PM
well, as for more books, when i was a kid i had both Rene Foncks book (did i spell that right?) and Billy Bishop's book....htey are both great. Fonck flew a few misns in a version of the spad wiht a 37mm gun firing thru the prop hub supposedly, so P39 fans will like that. (i still have no idea how they got that to work).

Bishop's book has a bunch of great stories of individual fights, but after his squadron gets new fighters, he only refers to them as "the new machines". i figured for yrs he was talking of Camels, but they were apparently Se-5s. Some really good stuff. If i can find them ill post the names of hte books.

Also, historicAviation.com has in its latest catalogue the h. hughes movie "hells angels" for 15 bucks, as well as the movie "the Blue Max", as well as a couple of good paintings by some guy named James Dietz.

Also htey have "echoes of eagles", about 3 american fighter squadrons wiht interviews,
"Bloody April" about the RFC's heavy casualties over Arras in 1917, "knights of the black cross" about 60 german aces, and "september evening" about Werner Voss. You can even get a reprint of an original movie poster of George peppard in Blue max, and a couple of books about Richtofen. Thier cataloge is free and comes every month, loaded wiht aviation goodies.

Kuna15
11-14-2005, 12:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
Is there any information on who will be distributing this outside of Russia? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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polak5
11-14-2005, 12:36 AM
wil this be released before or after BOB?

VVS-Manuc
11-14-2005, 01:01 AM
I want the Fokker D VII uberplane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SE_Aetos
11-14-2005, 04:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by polak5:
wil this be released before or after BOB? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My guess is, it will be "two weeks" before BOB or "two weeks" after BOB.

SE_Aetos

Sturm_Williger
11-14-2005, 06:48 AM
1916-1918 - Dang, I was really hoping to have a campaign where you have the technological edge of forward firing guns before anyone else has them. Eindekkers, we want Eindekkers ! And Moranes and Taubes and and and ...

luftluuver
11-14-2005, 06:54 AM
Good site on WW1 a/c

http://www.theaerodrome.com/

Friendly_flyer
11-14-2005, 08:25 AM
I wonder how they will solve the viewpoint problem when switching guns in the S.E.5. Will I be able to fly the plane with the stick while simultaniously aiming the Lewis with the mous?

Sturm_Williger
11-14-2005, 08:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
Will I be able to fly the plane with the stick while simultaniously aiming the Lewis with the mous? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh I hope so !! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

F19_Olli72
11-14-2005, 09:16 AM
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http://members.chello.nl/~a.vankan/Nieuport17_lewis_in_upward_position.jpg

Herustic_Algor
11-14-2005, 10:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
Good site on WW1 a/c

http://www.theaerodrome.com/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


With 54 victories, Canadian Donald MacLaren scored more victories with the Camel than any other ace..http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/canada/maclaren.html

GSNei
11-14-2005, 10:46 AM
These guys have a forum in English. If you want to check it out - http://www.gennadich.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=37

MLudner
11-14-2005, 11:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sakai2005:
correct me if im wrong but bailing out of the plane was not a option in ww1.you got it home you live nice incentive not too screw up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A; Flap your arms real fast on the way down.

B: Never forget your kite.

C: Become an early Soviet paratrooper - Jump into thick snow drift.

F19_Olli72
11-14-2005, 11:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MLudner:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sakai2005:
correct me if im wrong but bailing out of the plane was not a option in ww1.you got it home you live nice incentive not too screw up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A; Flap your arms real fast on the way down.

B: Never forget your kite.

C: Become an early Soviet paratrooper - Jump into thick snow drift. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or, be Ernst Udet, who had to bail out on one occation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MLudner
11-14-2005, 11:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MLudner:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sakai2005:
correct me if im wrong but bailing out of the plane was not a option in ww1.you got it home you live nice incentive not too screw up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A; Flap your arms real fast on the way down.

B: Never forget your kite.

C: Become an early Soviet paratrooper - Jump into thick snow drift. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or, be Ernst Udet, who had to bail out on one occation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which method did he use? I like the snowdrift in winter, kind of Christmasy.

F19_Olli72
11-14-2005, 11:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MLudner:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MLudner:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sakai2005:
correct me if im wrong but bailing out of the plane was not a option in ww1.you got it home you live nice incentive not too screw up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A; Flap your arms real fast on the way down.

B: Never forget your kite.

C: Become an early Soviet paratrooper - Jump into thick snow drift. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or, be Ernst Udet, who had to bail out on one occation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which method did he use? I like the snowdrift in winter, kind of Christmasy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Neither, he used a novelty called...a parachute. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif But yeah...the snowdrift method works i suppose......but what do u do in summertime? Mudpuddle?

stathem
11-14-2005, 11:38 AM
There's gonna be a lot of redundant buttons on the old X-52...

x6BL_Brando
11-14-2005, 12:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">There's gonna be a lot of redundant buttons on the old X-52... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well yes, but maybe not so many as you think http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'm talking off the top of my head here - and I haven't done any more than glance at the websites and bookmark them - but I'd like to put out a few possibly needed controls.

Engine management:
Was more complex than any sim dealing with stringbags has ever approached.
One of most frequent operations in WW1 air combat was the engine shut-off and glide scenario. It was also the chief means by which rotary, 'blip-throttle' aircraft made those super-tight turns.
Much more possible in a light plane with the added lift of an extra wing (or two), this tactic(s) involved shorting the magneto plus shutting off the fuel supply to prevent leaving a highly inflammable trail of petrol vapour behind the plane. Two definite button pushes there...... mixture control was used too, as well as ignition advance/******.

The Se5, and other Vickers-firing aircraft, will require a switch to enable the changing of a drum - plus a switch to toggle the breech mechanism if we're going to be exacting. Retracting the gun to the upward pointing loading position, locking off, drum changing, cocking the piece, firing and/or returning the gun to its horizontal position, locking off......quite a cluster of possibles here I suggest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Maybe we should be having a 'find hammer, beat he11 out of the breech, clear jam, stash hammer' key-combo too. Such happenings are well-documented by the aces - Nungesser's writings spring to mind.

A 'reach over and wipe castor-oil from windscreen and/or goggles' key.

A 'tail-gunner climbs over and takes controls from dead pilot' key.

A 'homing-pigeon-with-message-attached' release key.

A 'pull scarf further up freezing face' key http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Add on the controls for an early plate-camera, different coloured Very-lights and especially, the variety of hand gestures that will be needed to be seen by the other pilots - I reckon there's a lot of scope!

I don't know if a half of this can be achieved using the available tools - but I certainly look forward to finding out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MLudner
11-14-2005, 01:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MLudner:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MLudner:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sakai2005:
correct me if im wrong but bailing out of the plane was not a option in ww1.you got it home you live nice incentive not too screw up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A; Flap your arms real fast on the way down.

B: Never forget your kite.

C: Become an early Soviet paratrooper - Jump into thick snow drift. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or, be Ernst Udet, who had to bail out on one occation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which method did he use? I like the snowdrift in winter, kind of Christmasy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Neither, he used a novelty called...a parachute. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif But yeah...the snowdrift method works i suppose......but what do u do in summertime? Mudpuddle? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A deep mudpuddle! Either that or the mattress you had the good sense to bring along.

Kuna15
11-14-2005, 01:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
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http://members.chello.nl/~a.vankan/Nieuport17_lewis_in_upward_position.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think "why can't I aim with upper MG, I can't use the gunsight allied planes are porked etc etc" will be new SHIFT+F1 kinda question http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.
"Toggle Seat Position" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

stathem
11-14-2005, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">There's gonna be a lot of redundant buttons on the old X-52... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well yes, but maybe not so many as you think http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'm talking off the top of my head here - and I haven't done any more than glance at the websites and bookmark them - but I'd like to put out a few possibly needed controls.

Engine management:
Was more complex than any sim dealing with stringbags has ever approached.
One of most frequent operations in WW1 air combat was the engine shut-off and glide scenario. It was also the chief means by which rotary, 'blip-throttle' aircraft made those super-tight turns.
Much more possible in a light plane with the added lift of an extra wing (or two), this tactic(s) involved shorting the magneto plus shutting off the fuel supply to prevent leaving a highly inflammable trail of petrol vapour behind the plane. Two definite button pushes there...... mixture control was used too, as well as ignition advance/******.

The Se5, and other Vickers-firing aircraft, will require a switch to enable the changing of a drum - plus a switch to toggle the breech mechanism if we're going to be exacting. Retracting the gun to the upward pointing loading position, locking off, drum changing, cocking the piece, firing and/or returning the gun to its horizontal position, locking off......quite a cluster of possibles here I suggest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Maybe we should be having a 'find hammer, beat he11 out of the breech, clear jam, stash hammer' key-combo too. Such happenings are well-documented by the aces - Nungesser's writings spring to mind.

A 'reach over and wipe castor-oil from windscreen and/or goggles' key.

A 'tail-gunner climbs over and takes controls from dead pilot' key.

A 'homing-pigeon-with-message-attached' release key.

A 'pull scarf further up freezing face' key http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Add on the controls for an early plate-camera, different coloured Very-lights and especially, the variety of hand gestures that will be needed to be seen by the other pilots - I reckon there's a lot of scope!

I don't know if a half of this can be achieved using the available tools - but I certainly look forward to finding out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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At least with no intercom we'll be spared

"Oh No, what are you doing!" in the 2-seaters

Viper2005_
11-14-2005, 02:37 PM
A couple of historical points:

i) Parachutes.

Parachutes during WWII were exclusively of the static line variety. This made them somewhat unsuitable for escape from aeroplanes in combat; they were used with reasonable success for escape from captive balloons however.

The first free-fall parachute jump was made by Leslie Irvin in 1919 in the USA.

http://www.irvingq.co.uk/irvingq/history.asp

In a WWI fighter, kills were generally scored by either killing the pilot or setting the aircraft alight. Static lines and burning aeroplanes don't mix, and dead pilots don't need parachutes.

Contrary to popular belief, the "establishment" weren't any more or less stupid during WWI than they are today.

As soon as the technology matured sufficiently to make parachute escape a realistic proposition from a fighter aircraft, everybody started wearing parachutes as SOP.

ii) Blipping/throttle control

See the following thread:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showthread.php?mode=hybrid&t=17121 (http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showthread.php?mode=hybrid&amp;t=17121)

F19_Olli72
11-14-2005, 02:57 PM
Some (mostly german) pilots who bailed out:
http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/PROJECT/Parachutes/1914_18.htm

MLudner
11-14-2005, 03:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
Some (mostly german) pilots who bailed out:
http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/PROJECT/Parachutes/1914_18.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was humor ... AR AR.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

luftluuver
11-14-2005, 03:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">In a WWI fighter, kills were generally scored by either killing the pilot or setting the aircraft alight. Static lines and burning aeroplanes don't mix, and dead pilots don't need parachutes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If an a/c was forced down it also counted as a kill.

Doug_Thompson
11-14-2005, 03:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

The first free-fall parachute jump was made by Leslie Irvin in 1919 in the USA.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And the first parachute jump from a moving airplane was on March 1, 1912. US Army Captain Albert Berry jumped over Missouri.

Even that's in dispute. Some guy claimed he did it over California in 1911, but credit is usually given to Barry.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">In a WWI fighter, kills were generally scored by either killing the pilot or setting the aircraft alight. Static lines and burning aeroplanes don't mix, and dead pilots don't need parachutes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Even if that statement were true, a large number of lives would have been saved €" or at least extended €" by saving pilots with dead engines, damaged wings, caught in unrecoverable spings or streaming plumes of gasoline before it went alight.

Bolcke died after a mid-air colllision sent his plane out of control. Anybody want to deny the value of a parachute in that instance?

To cite just one other example, the Sopwith Camel had a structural defect the causeed its top wing to give way unter certain unusual circumstances. I believe it was when pulling out of a steep dive while turning, but can't remember the specifics. Again, there was a case where a parachute might have been very handy to a living, unburned pilot. There's also the question of how many observers died because their pilot was shot dead.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As soon as the technology matured sufficiently to make parachute escape a realistic proposition from a fighter aircraft, everybody started wearing parachutes as SOP. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, there the British produced a more usable and better parachute sooner than the Germans did, and the Germans still beat them to adoption, IIRC.

There was no systematic attempt to develop a workable parachute by the various flying corps of the combatant nations before or during WWI. There was no insurmountable difficulty, either.

269GA-Veltro
11-15-2005, 02:29 AM
<span class="ev_code_yellow">!!! They are searching for info !!!</span>

http://www.gennadich.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1520

HotelBushranger
11-15-2005, 04:22 AM
The first parachute used to dropped supplies was in Palistine (IIRC) in 1915, by an AIF Sergeant to get supplies into a beseiged town. Just though ya'd like to know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

AlGroover
11-15-2005, 06:08 AM
The official history of the Australian Flying Corps in WW1 by F.M. Cutlack (1923) is available for chapter by chapter download from the Australian War Memorial website at http://www.awm.gov.au/histories/ww1/8/index.asp Very readable!

VonKlugermon
11-15-2005, 08:14 AM
Did someone say Fokker D-7?

Check this out:

http://www.fokker-d7.com/

stubby
11-15-2005, 08:40 AM
Great news.

No doubt the game will technically and graphically awesome but they need to infuse a whole lot of soul and character to make it perfect. Come up with ways to capture the essence of the esprit de corps among the pilots. There's plenty of examples of what I mean by this and I hope these guys take full advantage. As great as Il2 series has been, it's stale for the most part and always like those nuggets that made games like EAW or Red Baron truly legendary.

allmenroder
11-15-2005, 12:08 PM
The most important point that needs to be modelled in this game is the effects of prolonged exposure to castor oil.

Of course, warnings must be contained about sudden drops in water pressure.

Friendly_flyer
11-15-2005, 02:23 PM
If they manage some way of personalising the AI pilots, it might work. For instance, you could have the chance to fly as several pilots on one unit, like it was possible in X-wing.

Also, to get the AI pilots a tad more interesting, you could add some sort of routine making the pilots act with a bit of personality. Your best ace might occasionally be unable to fly due to neuralgia or shellshock, some might have to call in sick due to castor oil induced diarrhoea etc. Perhaps the top AI pilot would occasionally fly like a novice due to having been drinking etc.

But most important off all, we need technical failures modelled!

Doug_Thompson
11-15-2005, 03:03 PM
IIRC, the average lifespan of a new pilot on the Western Front was two weeks, at one point.

Personality and flair is always nice touches, but the war in the air in WWI was more of a battle of attrition than the war on the ground. I won't be disappointed if many of the nice touches are missing as long as they get the flight model right.

SpartanHoplite
11-15-2005, 03:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> but the war in the air in WWI was more of a battle of attrition than the war on the ground. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not sure I'd agree with you on that one. I'd say WW1 was a battle of attrition on all fronts, in all ways (except at sea, I suppose, and even then the U-Boat struggle fits the bill). I think ground battle regularly seeing hundreds of thousands of casualties point to that pretty clearly.

SH

major_setback
11-15-2005, 04:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
<span class="ev_code_yellow">!!! They are searching for info !!!</span>

http://www.gennadich.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1520 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are some excellent sites on that link:
http://memorial.flight.free.fr/index.html

You can pan around in this interactive SE5a cockpit:

http://storage.mfa.free.fr/gallery/Se5/cokVR.html


There are good close-ups of cockpit details on this site too; and some nice pics:

http://storage.mfa.free.fr/gallery/fokker/fok2.jpg

http://memorial.flight.free.fr/gallery/franck/se5a5.jpg

http://storage.mfa.free.fr/gallery/bleriotXI/cokav4.jpg

major_setback
11-15-2005, 04:26 PM
From one of those sites. Practical Flying (Pilots handbook?) - early fighters:

http://www.warillustrated.com/practicalflying/

Bearcat99
11-15-2005, 04:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sturm_Williger:
Many skinners must be salivating too - all those weird and wonderful German skins... French too ( RFC were a bit staid tho' ).

I look forward to learning about and flying planes never seen in previous WWI games.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I just hope the skin situation is not like in LOMAC and is more like FB.

Enforcer572005
11-15-2005, 07:20 PM
As far as AI goes, I can only recomend that they know how to land and not fly into hills as if theyre flying in fog.

AI should have an aggression level as well as skill level, as it did in MS CFS2....this controls how long they might engage and at what ranges as well. Anything that shoots should have a skill level.

In flying corps, you could customize the individual paint schemes is each plane in a flight from a selection of wings and fuselage skins. Was kinda neat.

Feathered_IV
11-15-2005, 07:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">IIRC, the average lifespan of a new pilot on the Western Front was two weeks, at one point. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Be sure!

Friendly_flyer
11-16-2005, 12:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
http://storage.mfa.free.fr/gallery/bleriotXI/cokav4.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh yeah! Brass, wood, nice Victorian details! What more can one want in a plane!

XyZspineZyX
11-16-2005, 05:57 AM
Excellent news,

I really hope this one is actually published & made available in Australia. Flying the Albatross DIII & DV, the Pfalz DIII & the Fokker DRI & DVII used to be great in Red Barron. Currently I cant track down any WW1 flightsims, anybody in Australia know where to look?

luftluuver
11-16-2005, 06:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
Originally posted by Sturm_Williger:
Many skinners must be salivating too - all those weird and wonderful German skins... French too ( RFC were a bit staid tho' ). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have a look at some of those RFC a/c used for Home Defense.

http://www2.gol.com/users/ransell/SquadronProflies.Sample.html

Friendly_flyer
11-16-2005, 07:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
Have a look at some of those RFC a/c used for Home Defense.

http://www2.gol.com/users/ransell/SquadronProflies.Sample.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, yes! We are drooling!

Man, I cant wait to try a bit of skinning for these birds!

Viper2005_
11-16-2005, 12:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

The first free-fall parachute jump was made by Leslie Irvin in 1919 in the USA.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And the first parachute jump from a moving airplane was on March 1, 1912. US Army Captain Albert Berry jumped over Missouri.

Even that's in dispute. Some guy claimed he did it over California in 1911, but credit is usually given to Barry.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There's a big difference between making a static line jump from an aeroplane in level flight and trying to jump from a damaged aircraft in an "unusual attitude".

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">In a WWI fighter, kills were generally scored by either killing the pilot or setting the aircraft alight. Static lines and burning aeroplanes don't mix, and dead pilots don't need parachutes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Even if that statement were true, a large number of lives would have been saved €" or at least extended €" by saving pilots with dead engines, damaged wings, caught in unrecoverable spings or streaming plumes of gasoline before it went alight.

Bolcke died after a mid-air colllision sent his plane out of control. Anybody want to deny the value of a parachute in that instance?

To cite just one other example, the Sopwith Camel had a structural defect the causeed its top wing to give way unter certain unusual circumstances. I believe it was when pulling out of a steep dive while turning, but can't remember the specifics. Again, there was a case where a parachute might have been very handy to a living, unburned pilot. There's also the question of how many observers died because their pilot was shot dead.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Most of the examples you cite involve aircraft which have effective departed from controlled flight. Separating pilot and aircraft in such circumstances is somewhat easier said than done at the best of times due to the forces involved; in the case of a WWI aircraft with rigging wires everywhere, there is considerable scope for tangling the static line.

In the case of spins, there's also the problem that the aircraft's rate of descent is likely to be rather similar to the terminal velocity of the pilot, which greatly complicates the problem if you're using a static line, let alone the WWI system of a parachute in a bag attached to the aircraft.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As soon as the technology matured sufficiently to make parachute escape a realistic proposition from a fighter aircraft, everybody started wearing parachutes as SOP. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, there the British produced a more usable and better parachute sooner than the Germans did, and the Germans still beat them to adoption, IIRC.

There was no systematic attempt to develop a workable parachute by the various flying corps of the combatant nations before or during WWI. There was no insurmountable difficulty, either.[/QUOTE]

There was no systematic attempt to develop a workable parachute because the concept was alien to the officials concerned. There was no insurmountable difficulty with powered flight in the late 19th century; it was achieved on a shoe-string budget by a pair of bicycle makers working during their holidays.

Had as much effort been expended upon the achievement of powered flight as was expended upon for example the Brooklyn bridge, it would probably have happened a lot sooner.

In general, the only insurmountable limit to human progress is the limit of human imagination.

In the case of escape from aircraft in combat, the static line parachute demands that the aircraft is in reasonably stable level flight. That means that you've got to jump before you get into trouble, which is why the powers that be considered the supply of parachutes to pilot a bad idea.

This must be viewed in the context of a world in which men were routinely shot for cowardice. It would clearly be grossly inconsistent to encourage airmen to jump before getting into trouble whilst expecting troops to go "over the top" into machinegun fire.

The development of a freefall parachute was not considered or proceeded with before or during WWI because the accepted medical opinion was that freefall would lead to incapacity, unconsciousness and death. This was refuted only when Irvin made his jump in 1919. However, complete rejection of the concept had to wait until the Space Age.

Finally, you must remember that in the grand scheme of things, pilots were hardly an expensive resource, and their numbers were sufficiently small that they did not represent a serious drain on the available manpower when considered in the context of the awesome destruction of the Great War.

On the first day of the Somme the British Army suffered suffered 19,240 dead, 35,493 wounded, 2,152 missing and 585 prisoners for a total loss of 57,470.

During the entire battle the RFC lost 782 aircraft and 576 pilots. Hardly significant in the grand scheme of things, especially as due to the policy of making offensive patrols RFC pilots using their parachutes would most likely have been captured or killed upon landing anyway.

269GA-Veltro
11-19-2005, 09:57 AM
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Friendly_flyer
11-19-2005, 10:44 AM
Oh my, the Wippet looks like something you'd expect the orcs to use in Warhammer 40.000

Tooz_69GIAP
11-19-2005, 11:17 AM
I severely doubt that thing moves like a whippet!!!

Viper2005_
11-19-2005, 12:48 PM
maybe a rather overweight, slightly dead whippet...