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Spitf_ACE
11-10-2004, 11:35 AM
The price of a 3200+ cpu seems to be coming down to a very affordable price of about 83 now, and I was wondering if people had advice if it was worth buying it now for that price.

I have a 2400+ at present, with an A7N8X 2.0 mobo, and 1Gb of pc3200 ram.

The 3200+ is the fastest cpu that will fit this mobo, it also runs at 400Mhz FSB, as can my mobo and ram.

If I go for AMD64 I'd need to get a new mobo, which would probably cost about 70 (about 200 for mobo and cpu).

Is it worth spending 83 now to get a temporary upgrade, until renewing everything in a year or so? Or should I aim higher and go for something bigger and better now? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

If anyone knows of any deals in the UK at the mo' that are too good to miss, then let the public know. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Spitf_ACE
11-10-2004, 11:35 AM
The price of a 3200+ cpu seems to be coming down to a very affordable price of about 83 now, and I was wondering if people had advice if it was worth buying it now for that price.

I have a 2400+ at present, with an A7N8X 2.0 mobo, and 1Gb of pc3200 ram.

The 3200+ is the fastest cpu that will fit this mobo, it also runs at 400Mhz FSB, as can my mobo and ram.

If I go for AMD64 I'd need to get a new mobo, which would probably cost about 70 (about 200 for mobo and cpu).

Is it worth spending 83 now to get a temporary upgrade, until renewing everything in a year or so? Or should I aim higher and go for something bigger and better now? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

If anyone knows of any deals in the UK at the mo' that are too good to miss, then let the public know. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Nige_Reconman
11-10-2004, 12:24 PM
If it's cheap the XP 3200 is fine.

The consideration you need to have is that the Athlon XP systems are now going by the way side and AMD64 is the path ahead. Buyuing XP now does mean that it'll get obsolete sooner than a 64 system.

I take it at the moment that you 2800 is on a 333 fsb. A step up to 400fsb will make things run a little quicker, a 64bit chip may well be even quicker.

But by not buying a 64 bit system now you're allowing for any bugs to be worked out of the chipset and you'll see if AMD start abandoning a certain type ie socket 754 chips. Also PCI-E and PCI-X will be more prevalent in the near future but they operate better after revisions, which is after bugs hae been found and solved at the moment it's all 1.0 stuff, it might be better to wait for 1.1/2.0 revisions.

Haven't helped at all have i?

Brain32
11-10-2004, 12:30 PM
If you gonna' buy it then buy the 3200+(Barton)
It will give you higher bus freq and overall faster performance, but I would strongly advise you to wait and upgrade all next year. My configuration is very similar to yours(I have only 512RAM http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif) If I would upgrade something NOW it would be going for the Barton but only to benefit from higher FSB speed. If you want better FBAEPPF performance go for the GPU(If you already don't have a good one).

Weather_Man
11-10-2004, 01:03 PM
I think you would be pleased upgrading to the Barton. The higher FSB and L2 cache will give a good boost. You already have a good foundation on which to put the CPU it deserves and it should run the game well.

If you want to spend considerably more, the AMD64 is a great system also. Personally, I would hold off on that until the high end procs today get a little more affordable. And, perhaps make that jump when you're ready to go with the PCIe mobo/vid card.

Slingn
11-10-2004, 01:50 PM
I'd look for one of the mobile barton version, you dont even need a 3200. even the 2600's come unlocked, and overclock like a demons. 2.4+ghz is not uncommon. It would be a cheap boost, and tide you over till your ready to make a more significant upgrade.

Bearcat99
11-10-2004, 02:30 PM
Slingn is right..for the most part.... but I just did the exact upgrade on the same MOBO with the same type of RAM and a 9800 Pro. I did see some imrovement but not a lot. Basically if my daughtert didnt need a new computer I wouldnt have done it. I got mine for under $110... it was worth it to me since I cant afford a new MOBO and CPU at the moment. I upgraded from a 2500Barton... I was OCng the Barton and i didnt want to keep on doing that sol I figured Id just get the 3200 since it was so inexpensive.... and my RAM was 3200 I could have the FSB,RAM and CPU on the same page. I intend to get a 64 in @ 2 years. Or a 128....LOL if they are out by then.

TPN_Cephas
11-10-2004, 02:35 PM
I have been using an A64 for over a year, and highly reccomend them. It runs way cooler so you don't need a loud fan and is way more stable than my XP systems ever were. The newer 939 pin 90nm A64's also overclock well if you are into doing that.

Aaron_GT
11-10-2004, 03:43 PM
Any recommendations for someone stuck with an XP 2000 and PC2700 memory? Apart from waiting until after Xmas and replacing the lot?

crazyivan1970
11-10-2004, 03:46 PM
Wouldn`t waste money on XP3200 when XP2500 does the same http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and costs half of it. Change 3 values in the BIOS and you got yourself XP3200, runs at resonable temps even with stock fan http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Spitf_ACE
11-10-2004, 04:08 PM
Is that the stock 2500+ barton?

Or the mobile 2500-M which is selling for 57.50?

How likely is it that I'd be able to run it at 400MHz, or at similar speeds to a 3200+?

SlickStick
11-10-2004, 04:33 PM
If Ivan refers to the stock XP2500+ Barton, current date codes of XP2500+ Desktop Bartons are multiplier-locked at 11 x 166FSB = 1.83GHz actual clock speed, but as the core has matured now, almost all of them will run at a 400MHz FSB or higher with stock cooling, by just upping the CPU's 166FSB to 200FSB x 11 = 2.2GHz or XP3200+ speed.

The above given if you have RAM that will run at 200MHz = PC3200 = DDR400 and a mobo that supports a 400MHz FSB. There also may be some DRAM timing tweaking needed, as all systems vary slightly in stability tolerance.

As for whether to max out your current CPU ability or switch over to an Athlon64 platform, only you can answer that. If you'd like to hop on the Overclocking express, an XP2500+ Barton should do XP3200+ speed, but there are never any guarantees, unless you buy from an OEM that is offering specific date code lots that are guaranteed overclockers. Then you only spend X amount now.

A 2500+ running at 3200+ will give comparable performance to the Athlon64, but you also don't need to buy a motherboard at this time to support a new CPU.

On the other hand, if you get in the Athlon64 now, you'd be starting on a platform that is just getting into gear. You'd need a CPU and mobo.

Personally, I'm in the same boat and having an XP1700@XP2600 (333) already and the fact that my mobo does not support a 400FSB, I've decided to not go any further at this time, unless a cheap 333FSB Barton drops into my lap, and get the Athlon64 platform next year.


Hopefully, by then there will be more software and games that actually make use of a 64-bit system. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

SlickStick
11-10-2004, 04:36 PM
On a side note, methinks it's time to explore the mobile Bartons. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

crazyivan1970
11-10-2004, 04:45 PM
Yeah, i was reffering to stock XP2500. As Slick mentioned multiplier is locked, but FSB is still open.

All you have to do is...

Set milti to 11
Extern Freq 200
Upp vCore to 1.7 and you all set http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hunter did some crazy experiments with XP2500 back in the day... i think he got it almost to 2.6Ghz http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif , on liquid of course.

VFC Server is XP2500 OC`ed to 2.2 and run just fine with stock fan at 42-45 at max load. But i had Vulcano11 freed up...so with that it runs at 36-38C at max load.

I checked prices for XP2500 and they are in mid 50s in UK... significant difference IMO.

At the end all i can say, that for 50+ you can get probably 15-20% boost because of FSB, going from 266 to 400 is very noticable.

SlickStick
11-10-2004, 04:48 PM
Just found a good link that explains the Mobile Athlon XP setup for those interested.

http://www.bit-tech.net/article/132/

I checked over at Newegg and they have a few...going to start reading and see what kind of support my current mobo will provide in terms of overclocking one. This may be a good way to go until Athlon64 time in the future.

The potential appears that I can achieve faster overall CPU speed @ a 333FSB with the Mobile over the locked Bartons on my 333FSB limited mobo and have the 512K L2 Cache to boot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Athosd
11-10-2004, 05:57 PM
I'm looking at upgrading to the AMD64 939pin Winchester (90nm) 3500+ in the near future. For me this means new Mobo and ram as well - current rig is beyond upgrading: XP1900, 266A chipset mainboard (that tops out at XP2100), 512 DDR266.

Throw in a new good case (tired of using poorly laid out cheapies)and a decent SATA hard drive and the cost of this hobby and can make ones eyes water.

Per the original post - looks like Spitf_ACE (Spitfire Ace or Spitface? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) is in a good position to make a quick cheap upgrade. My vote is also to go with a current chip XP3200+ or XP2500+ Overclocked, best value for money under the circumstances I'd say.

Salute

Athos

Supr
11-10-2004, 06:09 PM
my non-mobile xp2500 has been running at 2376mhz (216X11) for about the last six months. It ran as a "xp3200" for the first 6 months. I think I got my $85 dollars out of it. It does take more than just the cpu to get there though. You do have a good mobo, and if you also have good ram and psu, you should get at least to 3200 speeds. Especially with a mobile, where you have more options. Plus u normally need less voltage, and that means cooler. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
good luck

Bearcat99
11-10-2004, 06:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Wouldn`t waste money on XP3200 when XP2500 does the same http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and costs half of it. Change 3 values in the BIOS and you got yourself XP3200, runs at resonable temps even with stock fan http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

When I tried that with my +2500 Barton it became unstable as h@ll.. I wound up having to leave it as a 3000..... I notice that the 3200 running at 400 is more stable and cooler than the 2500 at 400 with the multi at 10.5.... I even had 7 fans in there and a great heatsink...... but it was stil unstable as all get out above 10.5. What Ivan suggested was my original plan but I never was able to get it to do it... This was with 1G of Crucial 3200 RAM and a 400W Antec..... Zalman pure copper.. and like I said 7 fans. As soon as I kicked the multi up to 11 at 200 it would just crash after about 10 minutes.

Bearcat99
11-10-2004, 06:36 PM
Hmmmmm I just went to Pricewatch and the same 3200 Barton that I paid $109 for is now going for $134 and tyhe 2500Bartons are $64.... veeeeery interesting.. I think.

Spitf_ACE
11-11-2004, 04:59 AM
Athosd, Spitfire Ace or Spitface is fine. I don't know if I can officially call my self a Spitfire Ace yet tho'. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I have to say that I am seriously tempted by the mobile 2500.

The review at http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Features/XP-M/ spells out very clearly why so many people are excited by this chip, giving it 10/10.

It appears that it's very easy to overclock it to 3200+ speeds and beyond. It runs very cool, with a default vcore of 1.45V. "we managed to achive a overclock of 2.6 using a mulitplier of 12.5 X 208 and a Vcore of 1.925, the temperature we reached was 43C at idle". They said they could of gone higher too. Well beyond the speeds of a 3200+.

One thing I'm unsure about when overclocking the CPU is I can only alter the FSB on my 2400+ to about 145MHz before it won't boot. Is this normal or very low? Should I expect Bartons to easily reach 200, or couldn't I go any higher due to problems with my RAM or mobo?

Finally, is there much difference between the 2500 & 2600 mobiles, or would they tend to be able to reach similar speeds, the 2600 is only 5 more.

Thanks for everyones helpful advice. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif. It's all been useful in helping me make my mind up.

Supr
11-11-2004, 07:43 AM
There could be several reasons why your topped out at a 145 fsb. You could try to lossen your timings, or maybe add a touch more voltage to your ram, and or cpu. Maybe you've just reached your cpu's limit? If the multi was unlocked on your cpu, you would have other options to try, like lowering the multi to find the limits of your ram, or vice versa.
You've already started looking at some good sites and there are others that have a wealth of overclocking info. learn as much as you can before you start really pushing the limits. It may save you some expensive parts. Trust me on that one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Oh, and i did read that all mobile bartons are pretty much the same. They are obviously tested to run at their rated speed, but in general, they only use the cream of the crop for mobiles, because they need to run on such low voltage. I heard they are all cut from the center of the wafer to insure the best quality. I also heard that mobile 2500s are fairly hard to find now. Although I haven't looked lately, I'm still waiting to blow up my existing non mobile first. Good luck, dont start a fire.

SlickStick
11-11-2004, 07:54 AM
http://www.newegg.com has some.

Spitf_ACE
11-14-2004, 06:37 AM
One final question, and a big thanks to all who have helped. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

At present I only have the stock cooling that came with my 2400+. Will this be enough to run a mobile 2500 at 3200+ speeds? Or will I need a new heatsink/fan?

ltz1972
11-14-2004, 07:18 AM
I own both...get the AMD.

I have a desktop with the AMD FX53, 2 gig RAM, and a Nvidia 5950 (overclocked).
Also a laptop with a P4 3.2 (Dual processor) 800mhzFSB, 2 gig Ram and Nvidia Go5700 (5700FX).

The new FX55 is out I believe as well as the "mobile" AMD. It is the first AMD chip I have owned but it is superior to the P4.

Spend the extra money, buy the best avail....both my systems are already out of date....Nvidia 6800 (desk and mobile) are now available.

I hope this helps your buying decision.

LTZ

ltz1972
11-14-2004, 07:20 AM
BTW, I have had the Blue-Screen-(of)-Death 4 times on the laptop with IL2 (both combo install and stand-alone PF). I suspect conflict with my wireless card...only happens when wireless is powered.

LTZ

Cmte. Carvalho
11-14-2004, 12:54 PM
It's incredible how pc parts are cheap in your country... Here a new 64 Bit AMD processor is about R$1.000,00... A very, very high price... You're lucky at that point.

Xiolablu3
11-14-2004, 05:37 PM
Not all 2500+'s can reach 3200+ speeds so dont count on it.

I'd say just over half can so you have a 50/50 chance of getting one which can.

If I were you I would wait a bit until fast 64 bit chips come out and then upgrade. Say 6 months or so to really make the upgrade worth while. You wont see a major difference if you upgrasde to a 3200+ barton simply because your 2400+ is still a good chip yet and doesnt need upgrading really.

I would wait till you can get a 3800+ or a 4000+ chip and then upgrade.

If you really want to upgrade now then get a 3200+ xp barton as a stopgap or a 2500+ which you KNOW will O/c to 3200+ levels. This will not break the bank and you can upgrade to a 64bit chip which warrants spending a lot of money in the future rather than just gettin a 3400+ chip which is not THAT much faster than the one you have now.

My motto is you should always just about double the speed of your current cpu if you want to be impressed with an upgrade. Therefore a 4000+ chip would suit you in this respect(when they come out of course).