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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 04:51 PM
is it true that the germans put detonators on the wings of v1. why would they do that.

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 04:51 PM
is it true that the germans put detonators on the wings of v1. why would they do that.

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 04:53 PM
dunno if they did, but allied pilots would wing tip the bomb, wing in front/or touch and one poor gyro goes bonkers
so detinators on the wings so if touch, bye bye plane

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 06:49 PM
The German high command got it in to their heads that allied planes were were flipping them over and making them crash. The detonators were a countermeasure. However, any documentary evidence of this is apparently falsified.



Tedious unoriginal philosophical statement the pith of which is lost in repetition.

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 08:38 PM
thanx

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 09:49 PM
flapbuster
what you state is absolute not true...

Yes porkie they did installed pressure switches on the divers (v1)

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 09:00 AM
trughoy wrote:
- flapbuster
- what you state is absolute not true...

I agree with you 100% trughoy.
May I congratulate you on your excellent post in a previous thread on this subject.

Tedious unoriginal philosophical statement the pith of which is lost in repetition.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 09:28 AM
Thank you.

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fluke39
10-10-2003, 10:25 AM
hey - apparently they never tipped it with their wings you know..........YOUR'E ALL WRONG


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sorry couldn't resist - i believe there are so many accounts of this "tipping with the wings" it must be true.


getting a strange sense of Deja vu /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 10:35 AM
The Germans didn't know about the "wing-tipping" tactic as well, so from where should they know to appliy explosive traps on the V1 wings?



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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:19 PM
Well they did know, ever been to the coast of belgium or the Noth Sea Chanel at a clear day ..... No because then you wouldn't state this remark.

Also v1's where launched in midair from two-engine Heinkel He-lll bombers.
Some crews reported in they saw tipping of the bombs as well after release.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:34 PM
Yes but as in a previous thread wing tipping was not the common way to dispose of a V1 bomb.

I am amazed at the amount of threads on wing tipping. Wing tipping was a rare occurance in general and in relation to the amount of V1's that made it through it became the more legendary as time goes on.

Want to discuss further you are always welcome in to the OCU office at RAF Coltisahll to discuss further on the history of wing tipping and the RAF. If you want solid facts on it speak to RAF Hendons historic department for documentary evidence.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:40 PM
trughoy wrote:
- Well they did know, ever been to the coast of
- belgium or the Noth Sea Chanel at a clear day .....
- No because then you wouldn't state this remark.
-
- Also v1's where launched in midair from two-engine
- Heinkel He-lll bombers.
- Some crews reported in they saw tipping of the bombs
- as well after release.

At what distance you think you would see an a/c is tipping an another "a/c" s wings?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Even launched from He111, the 111 crews didn't penetrate British airspace, so the distance to see such tactic seems too far. And yes I was at the North sea as well as in the Normandy./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:53 PM
The Germans had really good vision it seems. Ostende to London is ~250km. Even Dover is 100km away.

Afaik, the Germans went to air lauanch after the French launch sites had been over-run. This was done at night, so would be interested in how the He111 would see an a/c 'tipping' a V-1.


The Brits used Wellington AWACS to hunt these He111 launch a/c. The He111 flew at 100' to ~100mi(160km) from London then climbed at 110mph to 1500' and accelerated to 150mph for the V-1 launch so that the V-1 did not stall when released. After launch the He111 dived and ran for home. The AWAC only had ~7 minutes to detect the He111 once it had started its climb to launch altitude.


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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 02:57 PM
Sir HAM

Maybe I will take you up on your invitation.

Yes the wing tipping was a rare thing but it happend.
At the hight of the v1 attact 100 to 120 launches a day, maybe 5 or less were intercepted a day by RAF pilots TRUE.

INFO from hendon:

Bringing down a buzz bomb with gunfire also presented problems for Allied pilots. The most frequent method of attack was the deflection shot, approaching from the side and opening fire when the bomb crossed the pilot's line of sight. "It's like firing at a large flame with wings sprouting out of it," the pilot of a Tempest V said. "Your cannon scores hits, and suddenly there is a big red flash."
The top "doodlebug ace" was Squadron Leader Joseph Berry, who flew Tempest Vs with the Fighter Interception Unit, and then No. 501 Squadron. Berry's final score was 591/2 V-1s, including a one-night record of seven on July 23. During a low-level chase four days later, he closed to 100 feet before downing the doodlebug, and his plane was damaged in the ensuing explosion. To his chagrin, he had to share the credit with a de Havilland Mosquito that had fired at the V-1 from 1,000 yards and, in the opinion of his unit, had "missed hopelessly."
Another noted V-1 specialist was Flying Officer R.F. Burgwal, a Dutch pilot who flew Rolls-Royce Grifon-engined Spitfire XIVs with No. 322 Squadron, a Dutch unit based in southeast England. Burgwal was credited with 21 V-1s, while a squadron mate and fellow Hollander, Flight Lt. J.L. Plesman, accounted for 12.
Number 616 Squadron could combat the pilotless planes on an equal footing. In July 1944, the unit received seven Gloster Meteors, the RAF's first jet fighter. The Meteor had a maximum speed in excess of 400 miles per hour, and could easily overtake the missiles. But the Meteor suffered from constant gun trouble-its 20mm cannons had a habit of jamming.
In spite of the balky cannons, however, the Meteors accounted for 13 flying bombs. When the guns failed, pilots could always rely upon the tipping techniques.
Meteor pilot T.D. Dean had a problem with his Meteor's cannons on August 4; he attacked a flying bomb, but his guns jammed. Undeterred, Dean maneuvered his aircraft alongside the bomb, slid a wingtip under the missile's, and executed a sharp bank, using the tipping maneuver. The V-1's gyro mechanism was thrown out of balance, and the flying bomb crashed. This was the first combat victory for an Allied jet fighter.
When a flying bomb was disabled by gunfire, it behaved in the same way as any conventional airplane-it went out of control sometimes trailing smoke, and smashed into the earth. But the V-1s presented some problems that fighter pilots had not encountered before. One of the main problems was with the sheet steel skin-it deflected .303-caliber machine-gun bullets like armor plate.
END INFO.


Yes most of the bombs got thru the fact that wing tipping took place is also true.
And yes legends where born but hell those days where legendary.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 03:21 PM
I found these V-1 numbers:
From 13th June 1944 to the 29th March 1945, this list gives the approximate number of V1 (Flying Bombs) launched against England and their fate.

Hits in the area of London 3,876
Hits in the city of London

(17)
Total hits in all other Counties 3,397

Shot down by fighters 1,772
Shot down by AA Guns 1,460
Brought down by balloons 231

Types of aircraft and number of V1's shot down
Hawker Tempest V 638
Mosquitoes 428
Spitfire X1V's 303
Mustangs 232
Typhoons/Spitfire V, 1X & X11 158
Meteors 13

Total V1's exploded on land 7,290
Total V1's destroyed in the air 3,463
Total V1's launched against England, not including the V1's that landed short of their targets or fell into the sea.
10,753

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:25 PM
THX for the info...