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shinneosakura
10-18-2018, 06:11 AM
When I saw the first CG I thought itís fascinating. The time I watched the wardenís trailer I bought the game right away. For Honor is so unique,well-designed, realistic and beautiful. It has a different atmosphere from any other games. When Marching Fire was revealed, everyone was so excited, but now? I think it could be much better. Thank god the voice is not changed by now, but deleting the animation of killing minions is not good to me either. I lost much fun suddenly of dominations. My hero was a true champion before, now the pace has been destroyed. I am now just frustrated. I bought most Ubi games,gold or ultimate editions, I wonder why the devís team keep cutting off something For Honor should be.Can we just add new features and keep the good as same as RainbowSix team did? For Honor and we players deserve better. The new heroes are op with annoying voice, the arcade mode needs so much improvement, the balance now is far from good, and we donít see the pre-order rewards yet. I just hope devís team put more efforts to the balancing problems and bugs instead of deceasing core uniqueness of For Honor, only doing that will make the game go further. I love For Honor, as we all. I hope its better future.

lubu523
10-18-2018, 09:54 AM
actually i was thinking, how many people are using the minion killing animation???

i would use zone attack over animation for some fighters, shinobi H,H is perfect for wave clearing, but warden? i would rather ZA.
and let's forget highlander ZA, quite unique and seems to be made to clear waves.

the one thing that bugs me off is the female voice, i know for a fact women weren't conscripted to fight as men were.

lubu523
10-18-2018, 09:57 AM
actually i was thinking, how many people are using the minion killing animation???

i would use zone attack over animation for some fighters, shinobi H,H is perfect for wave clearing, but warden? i would rather ZA.
and let's forget highlander ZA, quite unique and seems to be made to clear waves.

the one thing that bugs me off is the female voice, i know for a fact women weren't conscripted to fight as men were.

Devils-_-legacy
10-18-2018, 01:16 PM
the one thing that bugs me off is the female voice, i know for a fact women weren't conscripted to fight as men were.
True but For honor doesn't share our history it has its own lore

filip-117
10-18-2018, 02:21 PM
I would use the minion animations, for one.

Even if only a few people did, why remove them? You had the option not to use them before by locking on, but now they've taken away content from players that did use them.

PaulydaEagle
10-18-2018, 02:26 PM
Biggest thing I have seen in this new change is people defending the new system by stating that this is a fighting game and it should be even with no one getting an advantage period.
All due respect to them, this is not MK, Street Fighter or Soul Caliber, if I wanted to play a completely level field with different characters, I would simply play those games.
Thing that that I liked and many of us liked about this game was the fact that outside of the different heros, were the custom builds that were possible and knowing how to combat each type of build players made.
Were some builds broken and really unfair, yes, but you donít remove builds all together.
Especially if itís just because a vocal group of run of the mill fighter game fans want to see this game become just like every other fighting game out there.

EIGHTYYARDS NYC
10-18-2018, 03:43 PM
the one thing that bugs me off is the female voice, i know for a fact women weren't conscripted to fight as men were.

Does it really matter? I feel people that feel the need to make a statement like this are extremely insecure.

EIGHTYYARDS NYC
10-18-2018, 03:49 PM
Biggest thing I have seen in this new change is people defending the new system by stating that this is a fighting game and it should be even with no one getting an advantage period.
All due respect to them, this is not MK, Street Fighter or Soul Caliber, if I wanted to play a completely level field with different characters, I would simply play those games.
Thing that that I liked and many of us liked about this game was the fact that outside of the different heros, were the custom builds that were possible and knowing how to combat each type of build players made.
Were some builds broken and really unfair, yes, but you don’t remove builds all together.
Especially if it’s just because a vocal group of run of the mill fighter game fans want to see this game become just like every other fighting game out there.


Idk about "run of the mil" but since day 1 Ive described this game to others as a fighter. Because it is. Theres combos and blocking, People sure do grab like a fighter. Each character has a moveset likened to fighter characters. At its core it is a fighter.

The fact you DONT want a completely leveled field is insane to me. Who doesnt want a level playing field? Why would I want to face people that pump their build with revenge mode? Or a Highlander that can take away ungodly amounts of health as a PK? The examples are infinite. Now everyone is getting revenge at a decent rate, stamina drain is now about how well you maintain it and not by a build.

People are made they lost their advantage. The perks have their own. Go find them.

PaulydaEagle
10-18-2018, 05:56 PM
Idk about "run of the mil" but since day 1 Ive described this game to others as a fighter. Because it is. Theres combos and blocking, People sure do grab like a fighter. Each character has a moveset likened to fighter characters. At its core it is a fighter.

The fact you DONT want a completely leveled field is insane to me. Who doesnt want a level playing field? Why would I want to face people that pump their build with revenge mode? Or a Highlander that can take away ungodly amounts of health as a PK? The examples are infinite. Now everyone is getting revenge at a decent rate, stamina drain is now about how well you maintain it and not by a build.

People are made they lost their advantage. The perks have their own. Go find them.

Who doesn't want a level playing field you ask? Anyone that wants the satisfaction of building a character from nothing into something. Not just how they look that is a hollow reason to play that gets old fast. Actually seeing your hard work manifest itself into a stronger character than a brand new one is part of it. I started this game once too you know, I took a few on the chin but this game gives you gear even if you lose so as i learned I could make the character stronger as well. I went a long time to get every character to at least Rep 1, so I have spent a lot of time with brand new characters and I felt there was maybe 1 out of 10 matches where gear played a massive role in that I had no chance of winning. Mainly the Revenge builds, which we ALL and I mean ALL felt it needed to be re balanced or removed as a stat.

Skill plays every part in this game and simply say I lost because that person had more stamina or that person had more block penetration, instead of saying maybe I don't know how to play my character that well or maybe I need to work on my own stats is very narrow minded.

We could give a decently built character to someone who has no clue and they would lose to anyone with a clue and a base character.

EIGHTYYARDS NYC
10-18-2018, 06:05 PM
Skill plays every part in this game and simply say I lost because that person had more stamina or that person had more block penetration, instead of saying maybe I don't know how to play my character that well or maybe I need to work on my own stats is very narrow minded.

We could give a decently built character to someone who has no clue and they would lose to anyone with a clue and a base character.

At this point everyone knows how to play. But no one ever said thats the only reason someone loses a match. And no way in hell can you tell me someone with max revenge doesnt have an advantage, or stamina builds so a Berserker can swing for days. Its clear as day certain builds give you ridiculous advantages. Thats what you guys are all fighting for. No thanks. I rather let my skill do my winning.

What are you building from nothing? It works the same way, new armor drops, add new armor, character is now stronger. The erks do add advantages. You guys just want the OP advantages.

grim_streaker
10-18-2018, 06:22 PM
Does it really matter? I feel people that feel the need to make a statement like this are extremely insecure.

Spoken like a true SJW, u to girl....

grim_streaker
10-18-2018, 06:27 PM
True but For honor doesn't share our history it has its own lore

As the voices goes, I would like to hear the agression in their yelling. Now they all sound bored, when they do the war cries.

They are on a Battlefield, not a library for gods sake

EIGHTYYARDS NYC
10-18-2018, 06:29 PM
Spoken like a true SJW, u to girl....

All I know is there female voices and you have to deal with it. :cool: Thats enough for me.

DefiledDragon
10-18-2018, 07:55 PM
All I know is there female voices and you have to deal with it. :cool: Thats enough for me.

They've got some cracking beards these women. Brian Blessed would be impressed.

Knight_Raime
10-18-2018, 08:08 PM
I don't agree. I can say that it's direction has shifted quite a bit beyond just general gameplay stuff. But it still feels like for honor to me. And nothing out there really offers anything close to the same feeling/experience. At least to me.

PaulydaEagle
10-18-2018, 08:19 PM
At this point everyone knows how to play. But no one ever said thats the only reason someone loses a match. And no way in hell can you tell me someone with max revenge doesnt have an advantage, or stamina builds so a Berserker can swing for days. Its clear as day certain builds give you ridiculous advantages. Thats what you guys are all fighting for. No thanks. I rather let my skill do my winning.

What are you building from nothing? It works the same way, new armor drops, add new armor, character is now stronger. The erks do add advantages. You guys just want the OP advantages.

Read my reply again, I said we ALL wanted the revenge builds gone. Stop saying thatís what I want, we ALL want them gone.

And no the armor doesnít do the same thing, the armor is just cosmetic with a number attached to it. Same goes with weapons.
Everything I have seen says that a rep 20 player and a rep 1 player do the same damage and take the same damage, even if the rep 20 player has higher gear, with all other things being equal.
And unless you get the correct number on the armor pieces you have no chance of getting 600 or over and no perks are given.
Nothing changes even if you had 590 on a perk, at least with stats you could feel could about slowly progressing the character. Now I have no clue when I will get any gear with the correct numbers to see any perks come into play.

EIGHTYYARDS NYC
10-18-2018, 08:53 PM
Read my reply again, I said we ALL wanted the revenge builds gone. Stop saying that’s what I want, we ALL want them gone.

And no the armor doesn’t do the same thing, the armor is just cosmetic with a number attached to it. Same goes with weapons.
Everything I have seen says that a rep 20 player and a rep 1 player do the same damage and take the same damage, even if the rep 20 player has higher gear, with all other things being equal.
And unless you get the correct number on the armor pieces you have no chance of getting 600 or over and no perks are given.
Nothing changes even if you had 590 on a perk, at least with stats you could feel could about slowly progressing the character. Now I have no clue when I will get any gear with the correct numbers to see any perks come into play.

I dont feel bad for any of you tho. so...

You ALL didnt want revenge builds gone, Im reading in threads now people still advocating for it. ALL is a strong word that you ZERO evidence to back up.

Idk about your armor but mine isnt cosmetic only, I have active perks. If yours are only cosmetic then you are perking wrong. No nothing changes at 590, its has to be 600. That's clear. Better get cracking on finding the right pieces then.

PaulydaEagle
10-18-2018, 10:46 PM
I dont feel bad for any of you tho. so...

You ALL didnt want revenge builds gone, Im reading in threads now people still advocating for it. ALL is a strong word that you ZERO evidence to back up.

Idk about your armor but mine isnt cosmetic only, I have active perks. If yours are only cosmetic then you are perking wrong. No nothing changes at 590, its has to be 600. That's clear. Better get cracking on finding the right pieces then.

Wait, did you think my sole purpose here was to convince you of anything? I donít really care what you think. I might as well try to convince a vegan to eat a strip of bacon. Iím on here because Ubisoft said they were looking at the forums for feedback.

The truth is this game was created, went through beta and 7 seasons with stat management. So for people saying the perk system was how it was supposed to be, think again.

Also if a higher level character shouldnít be any stronger than a lower level character, why even bother giving us levels?

As for nit picking my words, again donít care what you have to say, but because Iím feeling nice , Iíll use the phrase ďalmost everyoneĒ, or the ones that wanted a bit more balance feel it should be gone. Not to mention I havenít seen one post yet advocating the return of revenge builds. But thatís just me.

As for getting cracking, nah Iím good, Iím just gonna venture elsewhere and play only casually with friends from time to time, seeing as itís become a casual game. I see no point in giving all my attention to a game that threw a lot of people under the bus and took away a big reason to endure the grind.

Iím not going to bother with the perks, just gonna equip if I like the look, I donít need gear to win. Like I said I spent plenty of time playing with brand new characters, itís the norm for me, but the ability to customize added a dimension to the game that made it unique.

But no matter what you or I say, ubi knows they will lose a lot of peopleís attention, money and peopleís game installs all together unless they do right by the people they have wronged.

Velentix
10-19-2018, 12:09 AM
Wait, did you think my sole purpose here was to convince you of anything? I donít really care what you think. I might as well try to convince a vegan to eat a strip of bacon. Iím on here because Ubisoft said they were looking at the forums for feedback.

The truth is this game was created, went through beta and 7 seasons with stat management. So for people saying the perk system was how it was supposed to be, think again.

Also if a higher level character shouldnít be any stronger than a lower level character, why even bother giving us levels?

As for nit picking my words, again donít care what you have to say, but because Iím feeling nice , Iíll use the phrase ďalmost everyoneĒ, or the ones that wanted a bit more balance feel it should be gone. Not to mention I havenít seen one post yet advocating the return of revenge builds. But thatís just me.

As for getting cracking, nah Iím good, Iím just gonna venture elsewhere and play only casually with friends from time to time, seeing as itís become a casual game. I see no point in giving all my attention to a game that threw a lot of people under the bus and took away a big reason to endure the grind.

Iím not going to bother with the perks, just gonna equip if I like the look, I donít need gear to win. Like I said I spent plenty of time playing with brand new characters, itís the norm for me, but the ability to customize added a dimension to the game that made it unique.

But no matter what you or I say, ubi knows they will lose a lot of peopleís attention, money and peopleís game installs all together unless they do right by the people they have wronged.

I'm gonna have to agree with you here, they threw the baby out with the bathwater on this, and made the game progression for each character pretty meaningless.

EIGHTYYARDS NYC
10-19-2018, 12:22 AM
Wait, did you think my sole purpose here was to convince you of anything? I don’t really care what you think. I might as well try to convince a vegan to eat a strip of bacon. I’m on here because Ubisoft said they were looking at the forums for feedback.

The truth is this game was created, went through beta and 7 seasons with stat management. So for people saying the perk system was how it was supposed to be, think again.

Also if a higher level character shouldn’t be any stronger than a lower level character, why even bother giving us levels?

As for nit picking my words, again don’t care what you have to say, but because I’m feeling nice , I’ll use the phrase “almost everyone”, or the ones that wanted a bit more balance feel it should be gone. Not to mention I haven’t seen one post yet advocating the return of revenge builds. But that’s just me.

As for getting cracking, nah I’m good, I’m just gonna venture elsewhere and play only casually with friends from time to time, seeing as it’s become a casual game. I see no point in giving all my attention to a game that threw a lot of people under the bus and took away a big reason to endure the grind.

I’m not going to bother with the perks, just gonna equip if I like the look, I don’t need gear to win. Like I said I spent plenty of time playing with brand new characters, it’s the norm for me, but the ability to customize added a dimension to the game that made it unique.

But no matter what you or I say, ubi knows they will lose a lot of people’s attention, money and people’s game installs all together unless they do right by the people they have wronged.

But yet you’re still talking. Idc if it’s your purpose or what happens to you either. It’s not my concern. This clearly a debate because it’s a public forum. No one is losing sleep. Fact is people have been saying this game is dead for one reason or another for a long time. And guess what, it’s still here, your gear stats aren’t. And the game is better for it. Pretend that you and a few other people leaving would do anything, it won’t. This game has a lot of life in it left. Again, your gear stats don’t. Have a great night.

VolatileKnight
10-19-2018, 12:50 AM
But yet you’re still talking. Idc if it’s your purpose or what happens to you either. It’s not my concern. This clearly a debate because it’s a public forum. No one is losing sleep. Fact is people have been saying this game is dead for one reason or another for a long time. And guess what, it’s still here, your gear stats aren’t. And the game is better for it. Pretend that you and a few other people leaving would do anything, it won’t. This game has a lot of life in it left. Again, your gear stats don’t. Have a great night.

Given with the fire in the feedback threads, I would say Perks aren't long for this game. And if they, then a lot of the playerbase will leave with it. Have a good night.

PaulydaEagle
10-19-2018, 01:14 AM
Given with the fire in the feedback threads, I would say Perks aren't long for this game. And if they, then a lot of the playerbase will leave with it. Have a good night.

Thank you VolatileKnight, as he said stats are gone, but this idea that it is only a few people that are upset by this change is complete nonsense. I actually started laughing when I read that.

Also if you notice, he suggested that I somehow said the game was dead or dying. I donít want the game to die. I donít think the majority of us want it to die. We just care too much about it to not voice our opinions and feelings on what has happened. We Just donít like where itís going right now.
But I guess he felt his final words to me needed some flavor haha

But Ubi, if youíre are reading these posts, we just wanted tweaks, if you did this to balance the characters and are planning on reinstalling gear stats(with certain requires revisions of course)after everything is balanced without them, please tell us. A lot of people have been having heart attacks and feeling the rage the past few days. Would mean a lot if you guys officially addresssd us as to what you guys are up to.

CRIMS0NM0NKEY
10-19-2018, 01:28 AM
I would have preferred shugoki got a rework/buff before they took away my stamina/revenge build but whatever. I like how things are better now mostly.

VolatileKnight
10-19-2018, 02:02 AM
Thank you VolatileKnight, as he said stats are gone, but this idea that it is only a few people that are upset by this change is complete nonsense. I actually started laughing when I read that

Yeah, the players who prefer this new system are a very visible minority. People are straight up joining the forums just to say they don't like it.

Jacques-Le-Coq
10-19-2018, 03:46 AM
The only thing that was unbalanced about gear stats was REVENGE GAIN. That's it, Revenge Defense, Revenge Attack, Revenge Duration, were all perfectly acceptable. I have never used a purely revenge build, hell the only gear I have equipped on most of heroes currently (well until Marching Fire......) was pieces of gear that added a little bit to every stat. They could have easily just removed revenge gain as a gear stat, and made it into a stat gained universally amongst all heros. Instead they trashed the entire system and turned into something catered toward casual players. A lot of Devs have dumbed down certain aspects from their games and a lot of the playerbase left because of it. League of Legends trashed their rune system for a pick and choose skill like system, while its diverse its not as customizable as it used to be. World of Warcraft dumbed down their talent trees from a complex tree system with many variations into a lesser version with less variations and even less customization. They lost many longtime veteran players. These games survived and flourished because of their very large initial playerbase, in other words they could take the hit, but the big ticket here is they kept the core of these systems intact. In For Honors case they completely changed the core aspect of it. Replacing STATS with PERKS.

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trimmin4alivin
10-19-2018, 05:06 AM
People are straight up joining the forums just to say they don't like it.
This literally describes me lol

yfkutfui
10-19-2018, 05:52 AM
Yeah, the players who prefer this new system are a very visible minority. People are straight up joining the forums just to say they don't like it.

I do not like this new perk system i ****ing hate it.....with a passion, i hope theres no ambuguity in that satement, i literally cannot believe that somewone at UBIsoft tought this would be a good idea? that basically ****ing everyone's mains up and making them start from scratch with new ****tier characters was gonna be a winner?

my guy is like a limp ****, he's ****ing useless, i throw 1 or two shots and he OOS? WTF is this? its horse****? how can you fight when your ****ting yourself about throwing a light and going OOS? thats even with the stamina boost feat unlocked, its a differant character now, a ****tier more usless impotent version of what he was, im so ****ing pissed off with UBISoft for doing this,

oh look my guy got OOS watching me type this? FFS Ubi wtf were u guiys thinking?

PaulydaEagle
10-19-2018, 08:22 AM
The only thing that was unbalanced about gear stats was REVENGE GAIN. That's it, Revenge Defense, Revenge Attack, Revenge Duration, were all perfectly acceptable. I have never used a purely revenge build, hell the only gear I have equipped on most of heroes currently (well until Marching Fire......) was pieces of gear that added a little bit to every stat. They could have easily just removed revenge gain as a gear stat, and made it into a stat gained universally amongst all heros. Instead they trashed the entire system and turned into something catered toward casual players. A lot of Devs have dumbed down certain aspects from their games and a lot of the playerbase left because of it. League of Legends trashed their rune system for a pick and choose skill like system, while its diverse its not as customizable as it used to be. World of Warcraft dumbed down their talent trees from a complex tree system with many variations into a lesser version with less variations and even less customization. They lost many longtime veteran players. These games survived and flourished because of their very large initial playerbase, in other words they could take the hit, but the big ticket here is they kept the core of these systems intact. In For Honors case they completely changed the core aspect of it. Replacing STATS with PERKS.

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Yessir, the truth has spoken