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general_kalle
04-07-2008, 10:43 AM
wouldn't it be nice if they could make strong effekts to increase the imersion during dogfight.

cocpit glass splintering into the cocpit
real moving fire inside the cocpit
generally splinters when the plane gets hit aswell as loud noise

option to turn on gore so you can see you'r copilot or gunner get hit by enemy bullets mild bloody maybe. this is not to make it a total gory game. just to add to the imersion when you come underfire.
imagine a head on pass on you'r bomber.
you hear very loud bang when the bullets inpact.
the windschreen splinters into the cocpit and you'r co pilot gasps as falls forward, hit in the haert
and the flames suddenly bursts out of the right engine.

would be awesome.

am i the only one of the idea?

general_kalle
04-07-2008, 10:43 AM
wouldn't it be nice if they could make strong effekts to increase the imersion during dogfight.

cocpit glass splintering into the cocpit
real moving fire inside the cocpit
generally splinters when the plane gets hit aswell as loud noise

option to turn on gore so you can see you'r copilot or gunner get hit by enemy bullets mild bloody maybe. this is not to make it a total gory game. just to add to the imersion when you come underfire.
imagine a head on pass on you'r bomber.
you hear very loud bang when the bullets inpact.
the windschreen splinters into the cocpit and you'r co pilot gasps as falls forward, hit in the haert
and the flames suddenly bursts out of the right engine.

would be awesome.

am i the only one of the idea?

crucislancer
04-07-2008, 10:58 AM
I was thinking about this yesterday, actually, particularly the canopy glass breaking into the cockpit. Also, I'd love to see a bail out animation where you pull the release for the canopy, see the canopy fly off, and you climb out.

Xiolablu3
04-07-2008, 01:18 PM
I'm not sure about seeing your pilot.

Halflife1 was so immersive because there were no cutscenes, and you never saw your character. he also never spoke.

Not sure how I would feel if you could see your legs and arms in the cokcpit, it would be a bit of an immersion killer for me.

Metatron_123
04-07-2008, 01:37 PM
Agreed. But at least if you saw in 1st person that you were getting out-that would be cool.

Skoshi Tiger
04-08-2008, 08:54 AM
But when you are blinded by shattered glass AND unable to eject AND being burnt alive in your cockpit, will you be alowed to pull out your revolver and end your misery? or will you just have to ride her in from 20,000 feet?

Darth_Reagan
04-08-2008, 09:16 AM
I think something loose in the cockpit that would show you the g-forces would be a really good visual aid. Something like a strap with a buckle on the end that would be dangling upwards when pulling negative g-force for instance. I remember reading how clouds of dirt and dust would come up from the floor whenever a pilot pulled negative g's.

crucislancer
04-08-2008, 09:53 AM
How about high altitude effects? Tough to model in some cases, like painful altitude sickness, but let's say you are up high and upon taking some hits your oxygen mask is damaged, and you start to black out after a bit? I'm sure we've all read some stories where a pilot passes out due to oxygen depravation and wakes up plummeting to the earth.

Another thought: Tire damage. Your gear is down, you come in for a landing, wheels touch and you go off to the side because a stray bullet punctured one of your tires?

About bailing out: In IL-2, there are many times that you bail out and fall through a part of the plane without injury. If some collision damage was added, you would need to be more careful on bail out, like rolling the plane inverted so you clear the plane completely on exit. Hitting the plane could cause the pilot to be knocked out or injured in some way. This could lead to anything from an extended stay in the hospital to death.

F0_Dark_P
04-08-2008, 10:04 AM
Nice stuff guys!, i would love to se them in the game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

*crossing fingers*

SeaFireLIV
04-08-2008, 10:16 AM
3rd person view, no. 1st person view-yes!

It`s the one strange thing about IL2, being a sim, yet insists on showing you bail in 3rd person by default. A 1st person view of your cockpit flying off and you tumbling out into the air and waiting for those few precious seconds whether the chute will open or not would be marvellous. EAW actually did this, showing you leaving the `pit and standing on the wing a moment before tumbling into the air... and you had to wait to see if your chute opened successfully. Why has no other sim taken this up? It`s a puzzle.

As for blood and all that, I believe that everything that happened in reality, should be shown if possible in the cockpit; breaking glass, 1st person view of getting wounded (blood around pit, on joystick), smoke, fire, oil, should all be experienced by the sim pilot.
With vision and computer capabilities today, it should all be possible.

Odirroh
04-08-2008, 02:17 PM
I would like to see BoB as a FLIGHT-Sim and not as an INJURY-Sim.

Odirroh

crucislancer
04-08-2008, 02:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Odirroh:
I would like to see BoB as a FLIGHT-Sim and not as an INJURY-Sim.

Odirroh </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think everyone wants that, Odirroh. What has been proposed are things that help with the immersion factor. Certainly you can see that.

SeaFireLIV
04-08-2008, 03:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Odirroh:
I would like to see BoB as a FLIGHT-Sim and not as an INJURY-Sim.

Odirroh </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


It certainly is about immersion.

lol. Guess my time here has given me the ability to predict the classic sniper-shot comments that I see so much and I will give the same old answer I always give, even though you`ll probably not even read it...

This is a WWII flight sim. Yes? A WWII COMBAT flight sim.

It simulates flying a combat aircraft in WWII. It does not just simulate flying an aircraft. It simulates attacking other aircraft and shooting them down. It simulates attacking ground targets, ships, even people.

It simulates bleeding injury, having your view becoming redder as you lose blood and your control becoming worse until the aircraft is like a lead weight. It even simulates you burning in the `pit.

If IL2 was just a flight simulater then all you would do is fly aircraft in circles like that other Microsoft Flight Simulater. There would be no dogfights, no combat missions, ground forces - anything except the basic aircraft and the blue.

Let me repeat so it sinks in: IL2 is not just a flight sim, it is a Combat WWII FLIGHT SIM, meaning, all the things that a WWII pilot experienced in WWII should be possible to replicate (within reason) in IL2.

And what is it with people like you who say this? If you pull `g` in an aircraft or loop the loop in real life without experience, wouldn`t you puke? Or feel sick? Then what would you do? Look at God and say, "I wanted to fly an aircraft, not puke up due to high gs!"


If this is part of real life flight then why should it not be in a simulater of it?

I`ll never understand those who fly combat flight sims, yet have this strange fear of simulating any of the combat stuff that the real pilots had to face; ie the chance that you may get wounded and bleed, catch fire, suffer shrapnel and have to bail out under difficult circumstances.

As long as the sim stays real and authentic, then surely these extra realistic elements should be an option? What`s your fear?

The only restrictions I see are computer capabilities and developement time.

What you want is a mechanical flight sim in a void.

Strange.

p.s. BOB will be about realistic immersion as well as the simulation side if it`s going to work.

Stiletto-
04-08-2008, 04:10 PM
+1

crucislancer
04-08-2008, 04:20 PM
Well said, SeaFire. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Skoshi Tiger
04-09-2008, 02:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Darth_Reagan:
I remember reading how clouds of dirt and dust would come up from the floor whenever a pilot pulled negative g's. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wish I could find the magazine!!! Afew years ago in an aviation magazine was an article about a pilot in the UK that had a Buccaneer.

He was at an airshow doing areobatics. First day everything went well, On the second day he took off did a few +G manuvers no problems then finished off his routine with a low level inverted pass of the air field.

Unfortunately his crew had left the cannopy open over night and it had rained. As he went inverted he was drenched as all the water that settled in the bottom of his plane went to the lowest point, that being the cockpit!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

With his head in the puddle, he held on for grim life, got a bit of altitude then got right way up.

general_kalle
04-09-2008, 05:43 AM
i can confirm that dust does come up from the floor when pulling negative G's as i have seen it myself. in a glider but the same effect none the less.

oh and Odirroh. if you have nothing contruktive to say then keep you'r mouth shut. we could do without that one, thanks

and thanks to the rest of the people for the other good idea's.
keep them coming http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Choctaw111
04-09-2008, 04:46 PM
Lots of good stuff in here. I can close my eyes and imagine all this good stuff happening in a sim. Great indeed. The shattering glass is the one that sounds REALLY good. I don't think I have heard that one before. GREAT IDEA! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Jaws2002
04-14-2008, 10:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skoshi Tiger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Darth_Reagan:
I remember reading how clouds of dirt and dust would come up from the floor whenever a pilot pulled negative g's. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wish I could find the magazine!!! Afew years ago in an aviation magazine was an article about a pilot in the UK that had a Buccaneer.

He was at an airshow doing areobatics. First day everything went well, On the second day he took off did a few +G manuvers no problems then finished off his routine with a low level inverted pass of the air field.

Unfortunately his crew had left the cannopy open over night and it had rained. As he went inverted he was drenched as all the water that settled in the bottom of his plane went to the lowest point, that being the cockpit!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

With his head in the puddle, he held on for grim life, got a bit of altitude then got right way up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



I read some time ago a story about a mustang pilot flying escort mission over Germany. He was flying with the squad at high altitude and since he had a bit too much beer the night before he had to use the relief tube. He nicely trimmed the plane and started doing the relief. Because of the freezing cold at the altitude he flew the urine froze in the tube at the exit. Because of that the tube filled rather quick and he wasn't done. So the guy just let the rest go on the floor of the plane.
When he was almost done someone called BF-109's at six o'clock!!! in the radio.
The poor guy trying to quickly close the fly and looking for the 109's hit the stick with his knee.
The next second all the pee from the floor was thrown right up on his canopy and it froze instantly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
It was funny reading how he panicked and started cleaning that glass real fast in order to see something out of the plane. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The rest of the sortie was ok and after he landed the crew chief after getting the smell from the cockpit said: "Something must have scared you real bad up there today". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

crucislancer
04-14-2008, 10:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaws2002:
I read some time ago a story about a mustang pilot flying escort mission over Germany. He was flying with the squad at high altitude and since he had a bit too much beer the night before he had to use the relief tube. He nicely trimmed the plane and started doing the relief. Because of the freezing cold at the altitude he flew the urine froze in the tube at the exit. Because of that the tube filled rather quick and he wasn't done. So the guy just let the rest go on the floor of the plane.
When he was almost done someone called BF-109's at six o'clock!!! in the radio.
The poor guy trying to quickly close the fly and looking for the 109's hit the stick with his knee.
The next second all the pee from the floor was thrown right up on his canopy and it froze instantly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
It was funny reading how he panicked and started cleaning that glass real fast in order to see something out of the plane. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The rest of the sortie was ok and after he landed the crew chief after getting the smell from the cockpit said: "Something must have scared you real bad up there today". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not positive, but I think that might have been from "An Ace of the Eighth"¯ by Norman "Bud"¯ Fortier.

Jaws2002
04-14-2008, 10:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Odirroh:
I would like to see BoB as a FLIGHT-Sim and not as an INJURY-Sim.

Odirroh </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


WW2 was just that. A world war. And people die many kinds of horrifying deaths in war.
Ever thought about the effect the ridiculously powerfull weapons installed in ww2 combat aircraft have on the human body? a bunch of fifty cals or 20/30mm cannons don't make nice round small holes. They tore bodies to pieces.
Sure no one wants to see quite that much in a game, but you just can't say that only the plane gets hit and nothing else.

TinyTim
04-14-2008, 11:03 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/aegeeaddict/demotivation02.jpg

BUT if you don't have endless supply of expendable labor (and AFAIK 1C doesn't), I'd rather see it spent on correct FMs, (more) realistic gunner behaviour, correct ammobelting, and removing teh bar™ to name a few.

DuxCorvan
04-14-2008, 11:07 AM
I'm against third person view. But I'd like to see the other members of the crew in a bomber, like in some Il-2 planes, this time not being frozen dummies, but actually being better rendered and 'acting' in some way, like in the SH3/4 series.

I'd also like some gore, but I understand you can't reproduce the real effects of big cal. ammo and HE blasts in human bodies and not getting 18+ ratings.

In fact, I laugh myself a bit when I see movies where a guy is strafed with .50s and seems to die of a heart attack, or has a pair of bullets in his back. In RL, he would more or less explode in blood with a split head and his guts hanging out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Jaws2002
04-14-2008, 11:20 AM
Exactly the same with the news this days. Too many idiots think war is fun and cool because they never show the true effect.

You get the news about a new suicide bomber killing 15 and wounding 30 and you get the images of few burned cars on some street.

Choctaw111
04-14-2008, 05:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:


In fact, I laugh myself a bit when I see movies where a guy is strafed with .50s and seems to die of a heart attack, or has a pair of bullets in his back. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That one made me laugh Dux. That is so true in the movies. I guess that had to do that to keep the violence down and the movie rating low so kids could watch it. I imagine the same would be true with this sim. Keep the gore down so that all age groups can play it. I wouldn't mind seeing realistic gore (it would be part of a realistic combat sim) but it just cannot be allowed as kids will be flying this sim too.

MB_Avro_UK
04-14-2008, 06:00 PM
Hi all,

Many RAF Battle of Britain pilots suffered horrific facial burns in combat. Their burns involved loss of facial features and eyes.

The Hurricane and Spitfire had a large fuel tank in front of the cockpit.

The Me 109 did not have a fuel tank in front of the cockpit.

For an RAF pilot to be shot down with his forward fuel tank on fire was a nightmare. It has been described as having a blow-torch in you face.

I'm not posting pics or links here as they are not suitable for this site.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

b2spirita
04-15-2008, 07:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaws2002:
Exactly the same with the news this days. Too many idiots think war is fun and cool because they never show the true effect.

You get the news about a new suicide bomber killing 15 and wounding 30 and you get the images of few burned cars on some street. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



check out spanish tv sometime, they seem to have no appreciation that anyone (kids, easily disturbed ect) might be watching--- there seems to be no concept of a 'watershed' there..

foxfire1941
04-15-2008, 07:33 AM
"wouldn't it be nice if they could make strong effekts to increase the imersion during dogfight.

cockpit glass splintering into the cockpit
real moving fire inside the cockpit
generally splinters when the plane gets hit aswell as loud noise"

-Well if your going to ask for that kind of realism, I am going to demand a First Aid kit to be put in each cockpit. Is there room for a nurse too?