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249th_Maico
08-26-2007, 03:50 PM
I reacently picked up a book called Korean Air War. It is a BEAUTIFULL BOOK by Robert F. Dorr and Warren Thompson. (Get it now from Amazon) I must admit that I was attracted by the color photos. Allmost 95 percent of the books photos are beautifull color. Its taken me months to get over the color photos and now I am reading it. It is a really good read. The book starts out with this statement.
"Afterward, when there was not going back to change any of it, a curious fact was final and inalterable: The first and last allied combat missions of the Korean War were flown not by gleaming , silvery jets but by propeller driven Douglas B-26 Invaders"
This single fact makes you realize that IL2 has Korea just about covered. And what is not covered can be "fudged" by IL2 1946. I would say the A20G makes a darn convincing B-26 (same lineage) and there are a few contenders for the Mig-15. I personally love the Mig-9FS. Korean conflict is covered by the following A/C in IL2: P-80 P-51 F4U TBM B-29 and Seafire. I am looking for a navalized B24 to play the Privateer. I am sure there are others but cant think of them now.
On the North's side I fly the following: Yak (9UT and P) in Korean or Chinese markings, the La-7x3B20 dressed as a La9(thanks skinners Borstl_71, hotbox1, Rudi_Jaeger.) The IL-10 is a perfect Korean Warrior. The TU-2S is my North Korean Medeium bomber.
I am not really sure what map to use so I am using the Map with Nagazaki. Anything with steep mountains and ocean works for me. Any advice out there?
All I can say is that flying the Yak or La against the Mustang is an absolute hoot. Flying the Corsair against the Yak is great. Its quited the mud mover too.
My wishlist is short. Meteor, Sabre, Mig-15 and the Sea Fury. But still, I feel there is enough content here to keep me busy for a while.
So, is anyone else here doing the Korea thing?

Let me know if you have any advice / sujestions.

Cheers

249th_Maico
08-26-2007, 03:50 PM
I reacently picked up a book called Korean Air War. It is a BEAUTIFULL BOOK by Robert F. Dorr and Warren Thompson. (Get it now from Amazon) I must admit that I was attracted by the color photos. Allmost 95 percent of the books photos are beautifull color. Its taken me months to get over the color photos and now I am reading it. It is a really good read. The book starts out with this statement.
"Afterward, when there was not going back to change any of it, a curious fact was final and inalterable: The first and last allied combat missions of the Korean War were flown not by gleaming , silvery jets but by propeller driven Douglas B-26 Invaders"
This single fact makes you realize that IL2 has Korea just about covered. And what is not covered can be "fudged" by IL2 1946. I would say the A20G makes a darn convincing B-26 (same lineage) and there are a few contenders for the Mig-15. I personally love the Mig-9FS. Korean conflict is covered by the following A/C in IL2: P-80 P-51 F4U TBM B-29 and Seafire. I am looking for a navalized B24 to play the Privateer. I am sure there are others but cant think of them now.
On the North's side I fly the following: Yak (9UT and P) in Korean or Chinese markings, the La-7x3B20 dressed as a La9(thanks skinners Borstl_71, hotbox1, Rudi_Jaeger.) The IL-10 is a perfect Korean Warrior. The TU-2S is my North Korean Medeium bomber.
I am not really sure what map to use so I am using the Map with Nagazaki. Anything with steep mountains and ocean works for me. Any advice out there?
All I can say is that flying the Yak or La against the Mustang is an absolute hoot. Flying the Corsair against the Yak is great. Its quited the mud mover too.
My wishlist is short. Meteor, Sabre, Mig-15 and the Sea Fury. But still, I feel there is enough content here to keep me busy for a while.
So, is anyone else here doing the Korea thing?

Let me know if you have any advice / sujestions.

Cheers

tagTaken2
08-27-2007, 12:17 AM
You know about the upcoming (WHEN!) Korea sim based on the SOW engine, yeah? There's a couple of early leaked pics that were published on this forum, but I can't seem to find them.

I've done a few missions for myself with the skins, but don't have the resources to make the early Korea campaign I'd like... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

In the meantime, there's always MiG Alley.

Draughluin1
08-27-2007, 03:58 AM
There are some resources for a circa. June, 1950 scenario. If I was to going to do a Scorched Earth template on this, I'd use the Stalingrad (summer) map as a rough basis for Seoul. Here's my very rough advice on what to use.

At the time, the North Koreans had about 70 x Yak 3 & 9's, 62 x IL10's, 22 x transports (use Li-2) & Po-2 (renamed U-2V). Also is the Chinese with about 100 x Yak 15, 150 x Yak 9 / La-9 (use La-7), 175 x IL2/IL10, 150 x Pe-2/Tu-2 & 75 x Li2 transports. Also the Soviets turned over about 200 x MiG-9's to the China around this time. The MiG-15 came later, say December, use the Ta-183 clean for this. Have also seen references to small numbers of P-63 King Kobras still being used. T-34/85 tanks for the land battle.

For South Korea, used SBD-3's for T-6 Trainers that were rigged as bombers, destroyed early on. For UN Forces, just use the latest versions of the P-51 Mustang, F4U Corsair, A-20, B-29 and F-80 Shooting Star. Sherman 76's should be okay here.


Regards, Warg

Feathered_IV
08-27-2007, 04:02 AM
Who here is doing Korea?

*ahem* Mrs F_IV is Korean. Does that count? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

MrMojok
08-27-2007, 04:32 AM
I was going to make just such a tacky joke.

Not about Mrs. IV, of course.


I think it all sound pretty cool, but the lack of F86/Mig15 saddens me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

BrotherVoodoo
08-27-2007, 08:38 AM
Who here WANTS to do Korea....ME! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

tagTaken2
08-27-2007, 10:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Draughluin1:
There are some resources for a circa. June, 1950 scenario. If I was to going to do a Scorched Earth template on this, I'd use the Stalingrad (summer) map as a rough basis for Seoul. Here's my very rough advice on what to use.

At the time, the North Koreans had about 70 x Yak 3 & 9's, 62 x IL10's, 22 x transports (use Li-2) & Po-2 (renamed U-2V). Also is the Chinese with about 100 x Yak 15, 150 x Yak 9 / La-9 (use La-7), 175 x IL2/IL10, 150 x Pe-2/Tu-2 & 75 x Li2 transports. Also the Soviets turned over about 200 x MiG-9's to the China around this time. The MiG-15 came later, say December, use the Ta-183 clean for this. Have also seen references to small numbers of P-63 King Kobras still being used. T-34/85 tanks for the land battle.

For South Korea, used SBD-3's for T-6 Trainers that were rigged as bombers, destroyed early on. For UN Forces, just use the latest versions of the P-51 Mustang, F4U Corsair, A-20, B-29 and F-80 Shooting Star. Sherman 76's should be okay here.


Regards, Warg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If this was in response to my comment, I meant that I don't have the literature to base an accurate campaign on. And sadly, no skinmaking abilities. Hopefully the Korean project by rrgstudios will overtake any efforts of mine, but if you could recommend any texts in particular, I'd appreciate it.

Swivet
08-27-2007, 01:00 PM
Who here is doing Korea?


I never touched her! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
08-27-2007, 01:44 PM
I spent three months in Korea stationed at Osan AB. I did about a half dozen! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I have flown in servers that offered up a semi-historical Korean match up and it was great fun indeed. I can not express enough how excited I am about the possible Korean War sim that is being created by RGR studios based on the SoW engine. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

S!

DrHerb
08-27-2007, 02:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
I spent three months in Korea stationed at Osan AB. I did about a half dozen! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I have flown in servers that offered up a semi-historical Korean match up and it was great fun indeed. I can not express enough how excited I am about the possible Korean War sim that is being created by RGR studios based on the SoW engine. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Havok, you dog you........

249th_Maico
08-27-2007, 02:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Draughluin1:
There are some resources for a circa. June, 1950 scenario. If I was to going to do a Scorched Earth template on this, I'd use the Stalingrad (summer) map as a rough basis for Seoul. Here's my very rough advice on what to use.

At the time, the North Koreans had about 70 x Yak 3 & 9's, 62 x IL10's, 22 x transports (use Li-2) & Po-2 (renamed U-2V). Also is the Chinese with about 100 x Yak 15, 150 x Yak 9 / La-9 (use La-7), 175 x IL2/IL10, 150 x Pe-2/Tu-2 & 75 x Li2 transports. Also the Soviets turned over about 200 x MiG-9's to the China around this time. The MiG-15 came later, say December, use the Ta-183 clean for this. Have also seen references to small numbers of P-63 King Kobras still being used. T-34/85 tanks for the land battle.

For South Korea, used SBD-3's for T-6 Trainers that were rigged as bombers, destroyed early on. For UN Forces, just use the latest versions of the P-51 Mustang, F4U Corsair, A-20, B-29 and F-80 Shooting Star. Sherman 76's should be okay here.


Regards, Warg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Update. Yesturday I flew Corsairs against La-7. Really a great matchup and the 1Cs cannons are incredible... Allmost like cheating. Today I flew the Yak-9UT against the Corsairs. I had not flown this bird in years. I had forgotten how much fun the cannon could be in these. Tommorow I will go B-29 Busting or maybe I will hunt down some A-20Gs dressed as A-26s in Rudi_Jaeger excellent skins.

Draughlin 1:
Thanks for the great response. I have used most of what you said. Great fun. Thanks for opening my eyes on some of these aircraft. I forgot about the U-2Vs as Po-2. This will be a challenge in the P-80. The T-6 trainers are a good idea. I just read this last night on my Korean Air War book.
Are you sure the Yak-15 was used in Korea? Did it see combat? Mig 9 too??
I am looking for a nice Mig-15 skin for the Ta183.
I like the south Japan map because the houses and arquitecture remind me of the orient. However I continue to look for something with more mountains.
Thanks again. I am using a lot of ideas from your post.
Tag Taken2, there is a whole lot of content in Il2 1946 to simulate the Korean conflict. This book has opened my eyes and inspired me a lot.

Have a great day guys.

Draughluin1
08-28-2007, 03:19 AM
Information comes from various sources such as Signal publications, Osprey's etc. Google the the internet and you'll see heaps of stuff. Books to read? Maybe, Crimson Sky, The Air Battle for Korea by John R Bruning. It was an interesting read that covered most aspects of the conflict and not just the F-86 Sabres v MiG-15 ******s. No recorded combat use of the MiG-9 that I can tell of, though some Yak-15's were shot down by early jet nightfighters. F-89 Banshee or F-94 Starfire I think. Unfortunately, you just have to make do with the flight models available. You are never going to get the exact models. For instance, most of the La-7's were built cheaply during the war and were scrapped in 47 & 48. The Corsairs were later versions and the F-80C was a more potent machine then the XP-80.

Not really into dogfight maps anymore, though I do have one for the 46 jets on the North West Europe map. Mostly devoted to Scorched Earth templates. Might have to look at this after my current Spanish Civil War & 8th Airforce projects are out of the way. The only other scenarios that come to mind is December, 1950 Burma map for the Yalu River or using the Berlin Map for a 1946/47 Berlin Airlift hypothetical. Be careful with numbers of ground objects on this map, its a frame rate killer.

Goodluck in your endeavours.

Warg

249th_Maico
08-31-2007, 07:03 PM
Thanks for the info again Draughluin1. I think I will pass on the Berlin map thou http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif That thing is a FPS Killa' I am making it work with the Southern Japan Map. I am flying lots of Yak9U(Great, Killer AC) and about to use the La7. Man, them Mustangs are Mean SOB's LOL. I will eventually switch sides and fly them too. Got cought in the sights of a A20G the other night.... Not GOOD http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
I beleive the Mig-9 is a workhorse. That is, it makes me work like a horse. Fire the 37mm above 3k meters and restart the engines. If you are lucky only one goes out. I am becoming quite good at restarting the engines while in combat. But it is great fun. The real reward is the guns on this Mig. They fire real true. Even a pudknocker like me can bring down a couple of B-29s in it.
I am trying to find a map with lots of Mountains.... Still cant remember what map that was...

Tare Care and HAVE FUN

Waldo.Pepper
08-31-2007, 08:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I spent three months in Korea stationed at Osan AB. I did about a half dozen! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So that was a bit of a dry spell then was it?

tagTaken2
08-31-2007, 11:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 249th_Maico:
I beleive the Mig-9 is a workhorse. That is, it makes me work like a horse. Fire the 37mm above 3k meters and restart the engines. If you are lucky only one goes out.
I am trying to find a map with lots of Mountains.... Still cant remember what map that was...
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Embarrassing, but it was a month before I realised that the engines could be restarted... I thought it was mission over.

Is the map with mountains online 6? It's a small island map that is mostly large mountains and beach/ocean. There's a small lake which is fun to attack...

woofiedog
08-31-2007, 11:40 PM
Draughluin1... This list has a Mig-9 of the Chinese PLAAF as a loss in Korea.

Link: http://www.korean-war.com/AirWar/AircraftType-LossList.html

Also found this...

Stalin becomes angry over Chinese reluctance to commit their aircraft to combat. He suggests using MiG-9 units against bombers and fighter-bombers and MiG-15s against F-86s. China disagrees with the use of their MiG-9s, feeling them highly inferior to the F-84.

Link: http://www.korean-war.com/AirChronology.html

One more idem...

The pilot training that the Soviets conducted throughout northeast China was just as important to the development of the Cold War as their combat mission. Stalin ordered MiG-9 and MiG-15 fighter units along with Tu-2 bomber and Il-10 ground attack units to deploy to China, train their Chinese colleagues, turn over their aircraft to the newly formed unit, and then return to the Soviet Union. Through this process, the U.S.S.R. helped China establish the third largest modern air force in the world (15). Although Chinese pilots still lacked many of the skills needed to fight U.S. F-86 pilots, as the war progressed they were an increasing factor in "MiG Alley." A modern air force was one of Mao's major goals in his relations with the U.S.S.R., and in this regard the People's Republic of China took its first giant step toward superpower status during the aerial portion of the Korean War.

Link: http://www.oah.org/pubs/magazine/korea/oneill.html


Some photos of Chinese Mig-9's...

Link: http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_g...&distinct_entry=true (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=Mikoyan-Gurevich%20MiG-9&distinct_entry=true)

DuxCorvan
09-01-2007, 09:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
I spent three months in Korea stationed at Osan AB. I did about a half dozen! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Paying does not count. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

mortoma
09-01-2007, 11:48 AM
I'm not doing Korea, I'm doing Michelle.

ploughman
09-01-2007, 11:50 AM
And yet you can still type? Those hands should be elsewhere you know.

249th_Maico
09-01-2007, 01:35 PM
Good Stuff Woffiedog! Got lots of links to make time pass here at work. Night Shift RULES!
Flew the Mustangs today. I cant beleive that Damn plane! The .50s tore the Yaks to pieces. Anything below 200m (my guns are sync to 200) was a spectacular kill. I did not have time to take a stab at the TU2s or IL10. But tommorow is another day.
Guess I was right to fly them Mig-9FS against the '29s. I think its a funny plane to fly. Fire/Select Eng 1/Start Eng/Select all eng/Fire cannon/Repeat procedure... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif
I been looking at the RRG site and drooling over thier little Korea teaser. Maybe they will release that in my lifetime http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I beleive a good Korea mission involves crappy weather, deep valleys and lots of AAA. The aircraft are mostly here. The rest is up to the imagination....

woofiedog
09-01-2007, 02:07 PM
249th_Maico... Quote... Night Shift RULES! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

It does... sometimes! Another 17mth's and it's over for me after almost 25yr's though. LoL

Korean skies has a Fantastic lineup of aircraft... we'll see though when the Project Galba comes out. Which should be about the same time as my retirment! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

249th_Maico
09-02-2007, 11:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">we'll see though when the Project Galba comes out. Which should be about the same time as my retirment! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow! That is real optimistic. Considering we dont even know when BoB will be out. I am happy with a few skins for now.... Eventually this fad will pass and I will be back in me Gustav and Butcher birds again.

For Project Galva I would like to see the Skyraider, A-26, F-80C, and of course the obvious contenders. It would be a good oportunity for Oleg to introduce a Chopper. Maybe with a way to rescue down airmen..... Hey, it could happen! Life saving missions would be cool. Can you immagine trying to dodge Yaks while trying to make your way back to base ?? The drama never ends with this series.

woofiedog
09-02-2007, 12:00 PM
Quote... It would be a good oportunity for Oleg to introduce a Chopper.

I fully agree with this... the Sikorsky H-19 and the Bell H-13 would be an excellent addition to the game with their multi-propose functions.
Also some of the Birds that are missing from late war IL-2 would be great such as the F7F, F-82, A-26, T6, Sea Fury, Fairy Firefly, La-9, and a flyable Tu-2.

-HH- Beebop had a mint rescue mission setup for IL-2 a while back... I wonder if he still has it? Yes flying in and picking up a lost airman or etc... with a couple of escorts that are totally out numbered and trying to keep very low and fast through the terrian features of the map. Yes it looks like a Great Ride and Mission! LoL

Korea offers a Fantastic aerial arena & map and quite the asortment of aircraft types to fly. I guess we will all find out in the coming future. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Korean War Aircraft... Link: http://www.korean-war.com/KWAircraft/index.html

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/air-recent/bell-47.jpg&usg=AFQjCNGAXYuooStohL9m1eg4MRUclg5YOw

Enforcer572005
09-05-2007, 06:47 PM
The Kuban is a great mountain map and is easy on FR. Lots of water to.

I'm doing a post war scenario in my Redstar/Whitestar 1947 cmpn inspired by my late Dad's service on Kyushu in the 5th AF during the occupation. He scrambled P-51s and P-61s many times as a radar operator to intercept Soviet planes (including jets)that were always penetrating the airspace.

I'm doing an alternate history job where the Soviets attack in the Kuriles and most of the action is defending Kyushu and going on the offensive out of Nationalist china in the Manchuria map (Vladivostok makes a great B-29 target).

Im using most of the above planes, but using a realistic plane set that mostly did fly in 47, including ANG P-47s (you should see the skins Beebop made for me), ANG P-70s (no P-61s in the sim), and RAF Mossies, RAAF P-51s and Spits, and i improvised the A-20G as the A-26 with a couple of the above mentioned skins. I don't use the Seafire, as it's based on a 1943 design and had been replaced by later models. I am hacking the 25lb Spit as a Seafire 45 with a great skin by Beebop.

Been on this nearly 6 mos, and lots of experience in the P-80A (my dad saw them in Japan in 47 a few times). It's competitive against the Soviet jets, and is now my fav plane in the sim. If you keep your speed up, the engines won't overheat. Takes a bit of getting used to, but the P-80 is great.

Having lots of fun with this scenario, and I wish my dad was still around to answer some questions I didn't think of those yrs when he was telling me all these great stories.

The Aussies and the RAF far east air force also figure in this. Gonna be in offline and coop versions. This post war set of aircraft has all sorts of possibilities.

Besides Berlin, there's also the 56 Suez crisis, combat between nationalist and Red China, all sorts of stuff.

Guest appearances are made by Gen. Curtiss LeMay, Gen. George Kenny, Harry Truman, Joe Stalin, and a bunch of the Hellhounds and Danger Dogz (of course, they don't know it yet).

Copperhead311th
09-05-2007, 07:55 PM
Well there's a Korean chick named Dianne Park i wanna do that works over at the Hyndai Plant. that coun't? (oh God she's smokin' hot)

Serously. i'm planing on being very active in the Korea sim. (if & when it comes) in fact the 311th FS 58th FG was a Korea based squadron durring that war. which was on my mind when i decided to form a new squadron. So yeah i'm looking forward to killing boat loads of DPRK pilots & VVS honchos with my Saber. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif As for Havok...lol i doubt it man. you couldn't get a tumble in a zoo full of monkeys with an armload of bananas. lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

JK http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

avimimus
09-05-2007, 08:32 PM
You guys do know that Luthier1 is doing Korea...right?

tagTaken2
09-05-2007, 11:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by avimimus:
You guys do know that Luthier1 is doing Korea...right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes.

But they're really keeping a lid on it, the only concrete things- 2 screenshots- seen were leaked.

It would be nice to get a little status information. Even "It's not vapourware."