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C.W.M.V.
12-23-2010, 05:22 PM
Ok so first things first heres what Im currently running.
HP Pavilion elite HPE
AMD Phenom II X4 945 3.00GHZ
8 Gig RAM
ATI Radeon HD5450
Windows 7 home premium 64 bit

Right off the shelf from Best Buy. IL2 is the only game I play on the computer.
I have problems running in perfect mode and simply cannot run heavy detail stuff like large bomber formations with lots of contrails, or detailed forests and water.
In perfect mode with clouds turned off I can barely get 36FPS average on the black death, and only 49FPS average in excellent. Not to mention all the hoops i had to jump through to get IL2 into perfect mode with an ATI card.
So Id like to get an Nvida, as they just work with IL2, and something that will work nicely with the system I have.
So what are your recommendations? More importantly, what is it important to look for in a video card?
Thanks all.

C.W.M.V.
12-23-2010, 05:22 PM
Ok so first things first heres what Im currently running.
HP Pavilion elite HPE
AMD Phenom II X4 945 3.00GHZ
8 Gig RAM
ATI Radeon HD5450
Windows 7 home premium 64 bit

Right off the shelf from Best Buy. IL2 is the only game I play on the computer.
I have problems running in perfect mode and simply cannot run heavy detail stuff like large bomber formations with lots of contrails, or detailed forests and water.
In perfect mode with clouds turned off I can barely get 36FPS average on the black death, and only 49FPS average in excellent. Not to mention all the hoops i had to jump through to get IL2 into perfect mode with an ATI card.
So Id like to get an Nvida, as they just work with IL2, and something that will work nicely with the system I have.
So what are your recommendations? More importantly, what is it important to look for in a video card?
Thanks all.

Ba5tard5word
12-23-2010, 05:45 PM
I have an Nvidia GTX 470 now which I just installed about a month or so ago to replace my GTX 260. The 470 is great for newer games compared with the 260, but I don't really see any improvement in performance from the 260 to the 470.

So that's my 2 cents. But the 260 is worlds ahead of my old 8600GT card. With the 260 I can max everything out at 1920 x 1080 on my 32 inch TV, same with my 470. I do have problems though with some things, like the Slovakia map always runs like crap if I'm flying online for some reason, and any ground fires slow down the computer if I have the Ultrapack 2.1 effects on. I have no idea how it runs the Black Death track but for everyday flying the 260 or 470 is great.

C.W.M.V.
12-23-2010, 06:00 PM
Ya I don't think Ill need a top of the line card for a 10 year old game, although I run UP2.01 and just about everything else at SAS. As IL2 is the only computer game I play I can tailor my needs to it directly.

Ba5tard5word
12-23-2010, 07:12 PM
First of all set a budget.

Looks like 260's are going out of stock, Newegg only has one for $100 and no others, and Amazon has a few but they're all like $200 which is more than a 460.

Maybe get a 460 if you don't mind the price, should be fine for Il-2. Newegg often has promo codes where you can save a bit, and Amazon can be good for free shipping on some items. A 460 should be ok whenever SOW comes out but you can always upgrade again at that point. 460's are like $190-200. A 260 would be fine but again looks like they're going out of stock.

C.W.M.V.
12-23-2010, 07:22 PM
Money isn't a HUGE problem, but I'm not going to spend on an AK's worth of cash on a card ;D
Figure I would like to spend no more than $200, but could go $300 if necessary. In the end I have to see what the wife will allow.
The 460's are what Ive been looking at but there seem to be so many versions of the same thing, very confusing.

WTE_Galway
12-23-2010, 07:40 PM
Useful link:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/

If you see cards you like look for reviews.

My experience of the cheaper brands is they perform OK initially but often have poor quality fans which if they fail can be hard to replace and overall are not always happy longer term.

C.W.M.V.
12-23-2010, 07:51 PM
I cant make heads or tails of that site. I have absolutely no idea what I'm looking at!

C.W.M.V.
12-23-2010, 07:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
Useful link:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/

If you see cards you like look for reviews.

My experience of the cheaper brands is they perform OK initially but often have poor quality fans which if they fail can be hard to replace and overall are not always happy longer term. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not at all sure that I want to go with a 460, need to look around but it seems that if I did I would have to upgrade my power supply. And Id go with the 1GB version.

Ba5tard5word
12-23-2010, 07:53 PM
First of all I would go with EVGA because they have a great reputation for reliability and good customer service, I've never had a problem with my 260 or 470 from them so far.

If you just want a basic 460, this one (http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-PCI-Express-Graphics-768-P3-1360-TR/dp/B003V8ATWC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1293158681&sr=8-1) should be fine, at $170. You might want to go with one with more onboard memory than 768MB, like a 1024MB one which is $200. A superclocked one might be good but they're like $217.

Basically it depends on your budget, I don't think there'd be much of a difference between them for Il-2 though.

C.W.M.V.
12-23-2010, 07:53 PM
If I go with the 460 Ill get the 1GB, but I think Ill need to upgrade my power supply.
This is starting to look attractive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...14-130-566-_-Product (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130566&cm_re=graphic_cards_for_desktops-_-14-130-566-_-Product)
But I would need a 500W power supply at least?

Ba5tard5word
12-23-2010, 07:55 PM
I think for a power supply you'd want 500W for a 460. I have a 750W one though. Corsair is a very reputable brand.

And I get the same sort of brain freeze feeling when I look at sites like Tomshardware, I can't make heads or tails of it. I just want to know if something is good or not. Sometimes they are useful if they tell you in plain language what the framerate is in a benchmark game like Crysis in different cards, but a lot of the time it's a lot of gobblede**** to me.

C.W.M.V.
12-23-2010, 07:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
I think for a power supply you'd want 500W for a 460. I have a 750W one though. Corsair is a very reputable brand.

And I get the same sort of brain freeze feeling when I look at sites like Tomshardware, I can't make heads or tails of it. I just want to know if something is good or not. Sometimes they are useful if they tell you in plain language what the framerate is in a benchmark game like Crysis in different cards, but a lot of the time it's a lot of gobblede**** to me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Thank you! exactly how I feel.

Ba5tard5word
12-23-2010, 07:58 PM
This is where I got the 500W suggestion btw:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/...ce-gtx-460-review/13 (http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-460-review/13)

After a lot of gobblede**** they state this, which is fairly in black and white:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Here is Guru3D's power supply recommendation:

GeForce GTX 460

* On your average system the card requires you to have a 450 to 500 Watt power supply unit.

GeForce GTX 460 in SLI

* A second card requires you to add another ~200 Watts. You need a 650 ~700 Watt power supply unit. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

C.W.M.V.
12-23-2010, 09:15 PM
Ok so this is the power supply Im going with, unless a better one for the money can be found...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16817371015 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371015)

Now to decide on the graphics card. As far as Nvidia goes is the 460 my best bet or are there other options in the range I'm looking at?

WTE_Galway
12-23-2010, 09:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by C.W.M.V.:
Ok so this is the power supply Im going with, unless a better one for the money can be found...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16817371015 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371015)

Now to decide on the graphics card. As far as Nvidia goes is the 460 my best bet or are there other options in the range I'm looking at? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well the next step downwards in performance is the GTX 275/280/285 series.

The next step higher in performance is probably the GTX 470/480 cards.

C.W.M.V.
12-23-2010, 09:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by C.W.M.V.:
Ok so this is the power supply Im going with, unless a better one for the money can be found...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16817371015 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371015)

Now to decide on the graphics card. As far as Nvidia goes is the 460 my best bet or are there other options in the range I'm looking at? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well the next step downwards in performance is the GTX 275/280/285 series.

The next step higher in performance is probably the GTX 470/480 cards. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok gotcha. As long as the 460/465 get me perfect landscape with good FPS Im happy. I dont want to break $200 for the graphics card since Im also buying a powers supply.

Ba5tard5word
12-23-2010, 10:37 PM
Like I said a 260 gets you what you want in terms of fps and perfect settings in Il-2, and a 460 is better than a 260. You can get a better card if you pay more (470, 580, etc) but if all you care about is Il-2 a 460 should be fine. There were some people here saying they had poor performance (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/8761036198/p/1) with a 460 but I don't know if they solved it or not. Again I haven't had any trouble with my 260 or 470.

C.W.M.V.
12-23-2010, 10:52 PM
Ya Im pretty well set on the 460 or 465, just not sure which one! Alot of price variance in the manufacturers. Primarily I'm looking at Asus and EVGA.
Is the 465 really any better at all than the 460?

WTE_Galway
12-23-2010, 11:02 PM
Never owned either.

The 460 is the newer product and gets better reviews.

From what I have read on forums the GTX 460 is very slightly faster than the GTX 465 and uses quite a bit less power.

On the other hand the GTX 465 has a reputation for possibly overclocking better and is more likely to be on offer at bargain prices.

So unless you overclock or get a super bargain on a 465, definitely go for the 460.

Ba5tard5word
12-23-2010, 11:21 PM
Asus has a bad rep especially for customer service. They made my mobo and I've never had a problem with it but their website is a mess and it was frustrating getting updates from it when I went from Vista to W7. I'd go EVGA.

C.W.M.V.
12-23-2010, 11:37 PM
465 is definitely cheaper than the 460, here's what I'm looking at.
I'm not even sure what overclocking is though, so its probably not an issue!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16814121413 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121413)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16814130557 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130557)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16814130567 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130567)

Also-just found the size specs for my power source;
5-15/16" wide
5 1/2" deep
3 3/8" tall

seems to be considerably smaller than what I have right now. Could this possibly be an issue?

ibeagle
12-24-2010, 04:20 AM
Cpu is where it's at. An i7 with an average graphics cad will be far better than an average cpu with a high spec graphics card. I upgrade bits regularly and this has been my experience. Il2 is not optimized to make use of many features of modern cards, so unless you play other games, don't waste your money on a top of the line card.

C.W.M.V.
12-24-2010, 06:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ibeagle:
Cpu is where it's at. An i7 with an average graphics cad will be far better than an average cpu with a high spec graphics card. I upgrade bits regularly and this has been my experience. Il2 is not optimized to make use of many features of modern cards, so unless you play other games, don't waste your money on a top of the line card. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh I know that, and my CPU normally kicks IL2's *** with ease, but in perfect mode and everything else cranked as high as possible with some of the new maps and textures on and with 40 B17's, 30 FW's and 30 P38's all making con trails it lags. Only weak point in my system is the GC, so it needs an upgrade.
If you have a suggestion in GC Id love to hear it.

Nicholaiovitch
12-24-2010, 06:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
Like I said a 260 gets you what you want in terms of fps and perfect settings in Il-2, and a 460 is better than a 260. You can get a better card if you pay more (470, 580, etc) but if all you care about is Il-2 a 460 should be fine. There were some people here saying they had poor performance (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/8761036198/p/1) with a 460 but I don't know if they solved it or not. Again I haven't had any trouble with my 260 or 470. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please could we have some feedback from chaps actually using a 460 with either XP/7/Vista.

As the link above points out, there seem to be reported issues with the 460 and IL-2...probably driver related.....but we need to hear from "the horses mouth"! NVIDIA do not seem to answer the reports on their forum!

I would very much like to upgrade my 8800GT also...but with so much negative reporting...I'm back to just researching!

Nicholaiovitch

C.W.M.V.
12-24-2010, 07:53 AM
Theres a few guys over at SAS who are running the 460 seemingly without issue.

Ba5tard5word
12-24-2010, 02:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Oh I know that, and my CPU normally kicks IL2's *** with ease, but in perfect mode and everything else cranked as high as possible with some of the new maps and textures on and with 40 B17's, 30 FW's and 30 P38's all making con trails it lags. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that will lag on just about any computer. I don't really know what number will do it, but if I run a mission with a lot of bombers it will run poorly.

C.W.M.V.
12-24-2010, 02:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Oh I know that, and my CPU normally kicks IL2's *** with ease, but in perfect mode and everything else cranked as high as possible with some of the new maps and textures on and with 40 B17's, 30 FW's and 30 P38's all making con trails it lags. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that will lag on just about any computer. I don't really know what number will do it, but if I run a mission with a lot of bombers it will run poorly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was exagerating a little Im sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
My current HD 5450 (512mb) barely runs a single flight of planes with contrails. Im sure a GTX460 will be a noticeable upgrade, although I have noticed that the above poster was right, alot of people seem to have issues with IL2 and the 460. Strange.

C.W.M.V.
12-24-2010, 07:17 PM
Ok so heres where Im at, for power source Im going with the Corsair 650TX. The builder series has few reviews and what it has aren't good, and the TX seems to be an older but reliable unit. I like the idea of having all the needed amps on one rail rather than combining three and hoping you get optimum efficiency out of them.
So done on power source, yipee! :'(

now for GC's Im leaning heavily toward this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16814130591 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130591)
I like the price, its the 460 everyone seems to believe is good to go, and its 1GB.
If this card will allow running IL2 maxed out with nice, smooth frame rates then its a go.
However, can someone tell me what the real difference between the above card and this one are?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16814130566 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130566)

Ba5tard5word
12-24-2010, 10:02 PM
For one thing AR means the card has a lifetime warranty, TR means it has a temporary one. Also it looks like the TR one there has a slower core speed so I guess it's less powerful.

C.W.M.V.
12-24-2010, 10:11 PM
Lifetime warranty is good, but Im not sure that Im going to have this for that long. If SoW ever comes out I'm getting new hardware.

So would there be any appreciable difference between these two, or would the AR version be overkill? Sounds like a run of the mill GTX460 will let me run in perfect with good frame rates, so any benefit to getting the more expensive version?

C.W.M.V.
12-26-2010, 12:59 PM
Well its done, ordered these.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ...ref=ox_ya_os_product (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000X24ISU/ref=ox_ya_os_product)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ...ref=ox_ya_os_product (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VWW2KK/ref=ox_ya_os_product)

Hopefully I don't have issues like some of the 460 owners do.

Nicholaiovitch
12-26-2010, 04:27 PM
C.W.M.V

Keep us posted on how you get on......I'm still waiting on more feedback!

Nicholaiovitch http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

C.W.M.V.
12-26-2010, 09:20 PM
Will do. Most of the issues I saw were simple if difficult to find fixes. We shall see I guess.
I keep telling myself that its going to do what I want, but even worst case scenario it should blow my HD5450 512MB out of the water.

C.W.M.V.
01-01-2011, 02:18 AM
Well both the power supply and card got here today. Easy install on both, seem to be quality parts.
Fired it up and installed the latest drivers (260.99 I think) and started FRAPs and IL2.
With my HD5450 in perfect mode I was averaging 39FPS. With the same settings and the default settings on the card it shot to 85FPS average! turned on v-sync and now I average 50+. The game looks as good as ever, but now its silky smooth.
thanks to all, especially Ba5tard5word!

Nicholaiovitch
01-01-2011, 05:39 AM
Very good news CWMV...and thanks for keeping us posted.

Nicholaiovitch http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Xiolablu3
01-01-2011, 07:07 AM
You will all laugh, but my 8800GT 1gb is still going fantastic in all games at 1280x800.

Why upgrade?

Do you need dual monitor or some sort of feature that the ATI 5800 series lacks?

Nicholaiovitch
01-01-2011, 10:45 AM
I run an Asus 25.5 inch at 1920x1200 with my 8800GT and it is pretty good, but with AAx2 and crawling ants in some cockpits and also coastlines.

I'm hoping to boost the settings and since SOW arrives in two weeks I want to be prepared!

Yup, I'm tired of that joke too! But I need an excuse to spend 150 quid out of the housekeeping.

Happy New Year.

Nicholaiovitch http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Ba5tard5word
01-01-2011, 12:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
You will all laugh, but my 8800GT 1gb is still going fantastic in all games at 1280x800.

Why upgrade?

Do you need dual monitor or some sort of feature that the ATI 5800 series lacks? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1680 x 1050 looks sooooo much better than anything below it...

C.W.M.V.
01-01-2011, 01:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
You will all laugh, but my 8800GT 1gb is still going fantastic in all games at 1280x800.

Why upgrade?

Do you need dual monitor or some sort of feature that the ATI 5800 series lacks? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Who's running the 5800 series? Not I, had the crap-tastic 512mb HD5450.