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Liberator_13th
11-25-2005, 06:47 PM
The cockpit models for bombers have been very good, but I thnik you've neglected the two most important bombers of WWII...

Of course... B-24 and B-17

So I really need input from averyone on these forums to show that we really need cockpits from these two most legendary bombers of WWII. B-29 would be nice also but it came late in WWII.

I've seen many people not like this game because of the lack of cockpits from these two.

Liberator_13th
11-25-2005, 06:47 PM
The cockpit models for bombers have been very good, but I thnik you've neglected the two most important bombers of WWII...

Of course... B-24 and B-17

So I really need input from averyone on these forums to show that we really need cockpits from these two most legendary bombers of WWII. B-29 would be nice also but it came late in WWII.

I've seen many people not like this game because of the lack of cockpits from these two.

VW-IceFire
11-25-2005, 08:10 PM
I know you're new here...

This is whats going to happen.

Everyone is going to say:

1) Yes bombers are cool
2) Yes we'd love the B-17 and B-24 and any bomber really
3) No were not going to get them
4) They take more work than several single engine, single pilot aircraft combined
5) Well why don't you model just some of the positions?
6) Well Oleg says he only accepts them if all positions were modeled
7) Well four engined bombers aren't needed because the maps aren't really big enough for strategic bombing campaigns
7) Well thats stupid
8) Your stupid

And then it becomes a flame fest....like the last half dozen times.

Sorry to be a might bit sarcastic but if you do manage to do a search on this subject we end up with people going around and around eventually calling each other names and so on and so forth.

You're asking for a legitimate thing. I'm just warning you what your thread will become. Unfortunately Pacific Fighters is the end of the IL-2 series. A new series is being worked on which means the final additions to the game are coming shortly and then things will die off after that.

Its not a bad things...its evolution. I'm looking forward to the future of what Oleg is offering. People are talking about how neat it would be to fly a Halifax bomber or a Lancaster in the new sim...I think a B-17 or B-24 is just as valid...and perhaps in the future we'll see these types. They take great resources and care to make...ALOT of time to make them right.

As far as bombers in the future...we can look forward to flyable A-20C with glass nose and bombsight and the infamous Ju-88. Neither is a big four engined heavy bomber...but they are bombers and they should be great fun to fly...they do fit the tactical spirit of the game much better so take them as they are.

Perhaps in the future!

p1ngu666
11-25-2005, 09:47 PM
very few fly the current bombers, and even fewer can use a bombsite.

can i ask a question? can u use a level bombsight?

Daiichidoku
11-25-2005, 11:30 PM
get your B 17 fix here

pilot, gunner, navigator and bombadier stations included

http://www.astrosmash.com/download.shtml


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

WWSensei
11-26-2005, 07:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
get your B 17 fix here

pilot, gunner, navigator and bombadier stations included

http://www.astrosmash.com/download.shtml
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh ye gods did I waste more than a few hours on that game!

"Checkpoints, innnnnn siiiiiight!"
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ElAurens
11-26-2005, 03:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
can i ask a question? can u use a level bombsight? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can , and do so often in Zeke vs. Wildcat.

The G4M1 is my weapon of choice.

It is very gratifying to use a bomber successfully. Especially when all anyone has to do is check the score tab to see if one is in the air. Instant target intel for the enemy fighters.

So I must plan my approach with some care and sneak around the hot spots. Very challenging and at the same time can be quite tiring. Lots of miles covered so I usually only get 2 sorties per map. But like I said, it's rewarding.

darkhorizon11
11-26-2005, 07:44 PM
I can't and don't use the bomb sight. But I don't whine for it I'm not a big fan of level bombers. As heavily armed as some are I always feel like piece of meat in a tank of sharks flying one.


The B-24, 17, and 29 will never be flyable in FB. Someone did model the 29 but it wasn't to Oleg standards and didn't fit (I think the poly count was actually to high).

Honestly in this game I think its a waste of code just because theres no map big enough to make it realistic to fly a 4 engine heavy. Even a flight from corner to corner in Finland is only small portion of a combat mission in the 17 nevermind the 29.

p1ngu666
11-26-2005, 10:46 PM
same for american hero dogfighter planes tho dark http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

people just gloss over that fact..

elaurens, its no surprise to me that u can use the bombsite, but many who want b17, hardly ever fly b25 or a20, and even fewer can use the bombsite

i like the betty too, apart from the horrid rear turret, **** other guns. and the floaty handling, but i leave it on level stabilzer most of the time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Pig_Mac
11-27-2005, 12:23 PM
It might be the fact that i aint such a good fighterpilot that drives me to the bombers. It feels really great to make it back to base only slightly smoking and ratteling, with most of the bombs landed in the right place.

Sadly the offline bomber campain is not any fun at all (havn't tried after 4.02) your co-bombers drop their bombs from 10k feet just to dive down and strafe the remaining targets = most gets wiped out (b25 at least).

A successful bomber mission in online scenarios is much more rewarding, even though you might only have time to do 2 of them, compared to 10+ with a jug or a p38 (that carries almost as much as a b25), and with them you can fight back some at least.

Since we prolly will not get any new bomberpits in pf i just pray for as many bombers as possible in BoB and addons, and while praying i fly my b25 as often as possible.

the russian bomber just ain't my thing, the 111 feels like everything in the cockpit is upside down and the betty have an ugly profile and (no usable instruments in the bomber position).. so from an estetic view i stay in my beloved b25 until BoB.

RAF23-Chainsaw
11-29-2005, 05:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xallo_72:
A successful bomber mission in online scenarios is much more rewarding, even though you might only have time to do 2 of them, compared to 10+ with a jug or a p38 (that carries almost as much as a b25), and with them you can fight back some at least.

Since we prolly will not get any new bomberpits in pf i just pray for as many bombers as possible in BoB and addons, and while praying i fly my b25 as often as possible.

the russian bomber just ain't my thing, the 111 feels like everything in the cockpit is upside down and the betty have an ugly profile and (no usable instruments in the bomber position).. so from an estetic view i stay in my beloved b25 until BoB. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

AMEN TO THAT!!! =)

I can use the bombsight, and do it as much as possible, and only flying the B25 =) (have been flying the others as well but the B25 is my new favorite after He-111)

I just wish there was a dedicated level bombing Squadron (for B25s) :P that would be heaven http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dunkelgrun
11-29-2005, 05:34 AM
I'm a bomber type as well - and I can use the bombsight! At 242 we try our luck at level bombing quite often, but the best we've managed online in the public servers is a mass low-level hit and run.

Cheers!

ploughman
11-29-2005, 05:39 AM
Call me a weirdo but I just like flying around in multi-engined planes, no aggro. Give me a B-17 or anything competitive and four engined and I'll fly around in that too (I don't do the Tb-3, it's a bit like camping with wings).

Capt.LoneRanger
11-29-2005, 05:46 AM
I fly bombers, too, and I really like it.

The fact that 'nobody' flies bombers is simple: Besides the B25 there's simply no famous or fun bomber in the game. Does that mean they wouldn't fit? No way. Just pay WarClouds a visit and watch 6 or 7 B25 take off and fly in formation and then come here and tell me nobody flies bombers and nobody likes them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Besides that, I doubt your reaction is anything close to justified, VW-IceFire, sarcastic or not. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

danjama
11-29-2005, 05:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RAF23-Chainsaw:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xallo_72:
A successful bomber mission in online scenarios is much more rewarding, even though you might only have time to do 2 of them, compared to 10+ with a jug or a p38 (that carries almost as much as a b25), and with them you can fight back some at least.

Since we prolly will not get any new bomberpits in pf i just pray for as many bombers as possible in BoB and addons, and while praying i fly my b25 as often as possible.

the russian bomber just ain't my thing, the 111 feels like everything in the cockpit is upside down and the betty have an ugly profile and (no usable instruments in the bomber position).. so from an estetic view i stay in my beloved b25 until BoB. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

AMEN TO THAT!!! =)

I can use the bombsight, and do it as much as possible, and only flying the B25 =) (have been flying the others as well but the B25 is my new favorite after He-111)

I just wish there was a dedicated level bombing Squadron (for B25s) :P that would be heaven http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is! 405Squadron is a branch of our squad, we consist of 405, 403 and 443squadrons. RCAF! If your interested in joining our dedicated B25 squadron page me. Were looking for bomber piltos as of last week.

BaldieJr
11-29-2005, 05:54 AM
No offense, but since when did model usage determine its in-game viability?

That'd make for an rapidly extinct business model, be sure.

RAF23-Chainsaw
11-29-2005, 05:58 AM
thank you for the inventation Danjama but I will have to turn it down, mostly because I like my squadron I am in now (No23) and are leader of B flight there and we do enough Level bombing to give me a reason to stay. But it does sounds intressting with a dedicated B25 squadron, would be very kind of you if you could PM me some info on it, like how many there is of you and what timezone you fly in, full switch and so on. Could be fun to know of atleast =)

Cheers Chainsaw

p1ngu666
11-29-2005, 07:30 AM
just fly coops http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

need mossie,ju88S (mossielike) and b29, pe2 tu thingy, and other fast ones

everything else is too slow tbh

Daiichidoku
11-29-2005, 08:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RAF23-Chainsaw:
thank you for the inventation Danjama but I will have to turn it down, mostly because I like my squadron I am in now (No23) and are leader of B flight there and we do enough Level bombing to give me a reason to stay. But it does sounds intressting with a dedicated B25 squadron, would be very kind of you if you could PM me some info on it, like how many there is of you and what timezone you fly in, full switch and so on. Could be fun to know of atleast =)

Cheers Chainsaw </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


yes, cuz No. 23 is looking to form a "C" flight http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif



jk chainsaw http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

RAF23-Chainsaw
11-29-2005, 08:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RAF23-Chainsaw:
thank you for the inventation Danjama but I will have to turn it down, mostly because I like my squadron I am in now (No23) and are leader of B flight there and we do enough Level bombing to give me a reason to stay. But it does sounds intressting with a dedicated B25 squadron, would be very kind of you if you could PM me some info on it, like how many there is of you and what timezone you fly in, full switch and so on. Could be fun to know of atleast =)

Cheers Chainsaw </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


yes, cuz No. 23 is looking to form a "C" flight http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif



jk chainsaw http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bugger, I have been discovered, Ok I admit it, my plans was to make the whole 405sqd turn into No23 squadron B flight and in that way make my command bigger.... Muahahaha

Eh... lol

No worries mate

darkhorizon11
11-29-2005, 11:24 AM
With a little luck we may also see a Pe-3 as a fighter and level bomber. I know there not the standard American rides but they'll be fun to fly for sure!

Xiolablu3
11-29-2005, 12:02 PM
The problem is that if the Allies get a heavy 4 engined bomber flyable, then online wars will need balancing up a bit, as a couple of runs with a b17 at the targets and you are gonna obliterate them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And what Axis bomber do you add to give the Axis something equal to bomb with? I guess only the JU88 comes anywhere near.

Would be good for historical accuracy, but it would unbalance the War maps a bit I think.


A light bomber like the Mossy would be better in my opinion, becasue it wouldnt upset the balance.

I know some people are against balancing and just want historical accuracy, but I like a bit of both. Everyone knows its no fun on some maps where the planesets are very unbalanced for one side, it leads to everyone migrating to the best planes and therefore the '**** planes' side is outnumbered also, which makes things even worse.

SOme of my favourite balanced maps on UKDed1 server are :-

Spitfire 8,9/Corsairs Vs Ki84a/b/KI61/Late Zero
and
Spit5/Seafire3 VS Zero/Ki61.

It makes for a very balanced game and noone cares which side they fly for as both planesets are great.

Thumbs up to whoever made those maps!

EDIT: Sorry I got a bit off topic towards the end, oops!

Daiichidoku
11-29-2005, 01:25 PM
what bomber did the axis have IRL that blaanced the viermots?

Xiolablu3
11-29-2005, 01:36 PM
Exactly my point m8, they didnt really have a 4 engined heavy bomber, did they?

I was talking from a Online gameplay perspective, which should always be considered, but I guess I am forgetting the fantastic offline campagins and co-ops which could be created with the B17 and B24. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Daiichidoku
11-29-2005, 02:02 PM
ah, so velly solly, i should have taken that into account


but it DOES make it balanced in game terms, if the format is one of allies attack, axis defend, n'est pas?

Xiolablu3
11-29-2005, 05:35 PM
Yes, velly twoo m8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

But on the UKded1 server I play on we have maps where the Allies have a ground target and the Germans have a ground target too.

The winner is the one to either take out the ground targets (say 20 tanks,30 cars and 10 artillery) , or to shoot down the enemies quota of planes. They usually have around 60-100 depending which side and how late in the war, Germans can be as much as 60 vs 100 reds in late wars but may have the Me262 at a far base away from the action meaning the bulk is still made up of Me109s and FW190D's as they dont have to fly all the way off the map. The winner of the map usually gets a bonus plane next map, the Germans may get the 109F4 rather than just the 109E and 109F2 for example.

If the Axis just have to defend of course then none of this matters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Come and have a try on UKded sometime Daiichidoku, I'm sure you would love it, I am heavily addicted http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Daiichidoku
11-29-2005, 05:52 PM
i have flown there, and do enjoy it

but have had 28k dial up for quite some time, and only recently "moved on up" to blistering 56k

should get carte blanche dsl next week http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

then you will see me in there from time to time

actually, more than that, with 262s about http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

PBNA-Boosher
11-29-2005, 06:03 PM
I was in charge of the research for these projects when they were 3rd party, over 2 years ago. Our modelers just got overwhelmed with work and couldn't do it. That's the reason. None else. Oleg doesn't want to use his time to make these pits, so they won't get made. If you have 3DS Max, go ahead and make the pits, but make them to Oleg's standard on your first try. I bet you can't.

Hawgdog
12-01-2005, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:



6) Well Oleg says he only accepts them if all positions were modeled

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

huh? What about the A-20 and that worthless chap in the back seat? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

RAF23-Chainsaw
12-01-2005, 07:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hawgdog:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:



6) Well Oleg says he only accepts them if all positions were modeled

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>



huh? What about the A-20 and that worthless chap in the back seat? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

meaning the Beaufighter Mk21 do you? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Erik_Blodoks
12-01-2005, 08:41 AM
I fly bombers and ground attack planes exclusively. It`s a great moment when you take out that last tank/ship and win the map for your team http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
If only some fighters could provide som escort instead of heading straight to the hot spot...

RAF23-Chainsaw
12-01-2005, 08:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Erik_Blodoks:
I fly bombers and ground attack planes exclusively. It`s a great moment when you take out that last tank/ship and win the map for your team http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
If only some fighters could provide som escort instead of heading straight to the hot spot... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, it sucks real hard, you are asking for escort and get none... dont they figure that enemy will hunt down bombers because they are easy targets? and when the enemy is hunting down us bombers they self will be easy targets for our fighters, but none seems to realize that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


was on spitsvs109 yesterday with 3 B25s and asking for escort twice, got none, and when we was about to land I asked them to clear runway because we had a baddly damaged B25 that needed to land, later he tells me he had to abort because there was planes taking of! bad maner indeed.... arghh.... getting mad sometimes, sorry for that!

Hawgdog
12-01-2005, 08:58 AM
Yup, the Beaufighter.
Why did that one not get the same "demands"?
B17 flyable would be blast

Erik_Blodoks
12-01-2005, 09:10 AM
Yeah, it can be frustrating sometimes. But then we have those precious moments when the bombers form up with escort above. 4-5 bombers attacking the same target can be devastating. I remember flying in formation with 3 other TB3s once and we carpet bombed the poor souls on the ground, winning the map before anyone knew what had happened http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
And using the bombsight is not that hard. You just have to give it correct altitude/speed while you fly with level stabilizer.

RAF23-Chainsaw
12-01-2005, 10:39 AM
yeah, best part is when we fly with my squadron, A flight provides cover with 4 excellent fighter pilots and one decent pilot, and my flight bombs with 5 planes =) really awsome. however, on our 3 planes raid yesterday we all got home despite furius enemy fighters, we was attacked 3 times by totally 5 fighters, and we downed 2 and damaged 1, thats pretty good work =) All thanks to staying in formation and letting the enemy

fighters into a death zone http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

But yeah, fighter escort tends to be a must to survive...

TC_Stele
12-01-2005, 11:36 AM
Just to throw it in the mix. I do agree that some of the maps are a little to small for high level bombing for the 17 and 24, but these two bombers were also used in very low level bombings as well. The 24 had been used for treetop bombing during the war.

Liberator_13th
12-22-2005, 09:01 PM
Stele

Yep I know this because my grandfather was a tailgunner on a 24 and he was on a solo flight in the 24 to Kuching Borneo. They dropped two bombs on runway and strafed all the zeros with the gunners before they could get off ground. Total of 30 kills confirmed.

If we have a bomber as lame as the TB-3 then why not the B-24? Who wants to fly a giant glider at 60 mph on bicycle wheels???

PBNA-Boosher
12-22-2005, 09:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
I was in charge of the research for these projects when they were 3rd party, over 2 years ago. Our modelers just got overwhelmed with work and couldn't do it. That's the reason. None else. Oleg doesn't want to use his time to make these pits, so they won't get made. If you have 3DS Max, go ahead and make the pits, but make them to Oleg's standard on your first try. I bet you can't. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

AND I QUOTE MYSELF! Oleg doesn't want to waste his time doing these pits. If I were a modeler I wouldn't want to either. You go ahead and get 3DS Max and build it. I'm so tired of hearing this. I'm sorry Lib, but it's a fight you can't win.

slo123
12-22-2005, 11:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
very few fly the current bombers, and even fewer can use a bombsite.

can i ask a question? can u use a level bombsight? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
hey i use b-25,a-20.and g4m and imstill tryin to learn the bombsigh so ha

ElAurens
12-23-2005, 05:15 AM
I am not feeling verbose so I won't describe bomb sight operation here.

Needless to say it is not that hard, you do need to map a few keys for it.

I can pick a fly off the wall @ 5000 meters altitude with the Betty.

p1ngu666
12-23-2005, 05:49 AM
http://files.filefront.com/bomblearnpart1rar/;4427587;;/fileinfo.html

http://files.filefront.com/bomblearnpart2rar/;4427714;;/fileinfo.html

there u go slo123 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


tbh the best bomber would be a late mossie, ingame on onwhine servers "cruise" past 400mph, at 6950metres, then drop your 4000lb cookie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

or the lanc, with its large variety of bombs, including the big ones http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
the 12,000lb blockbuster, a bunch of cookies joined together basicaly, with a tail. goes bang in a big way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

tallboy, supersonic bomb. a earthquake bomb in, burries itself deep into the ground, 60-100ft depending on the ground, then goes bang bigstyle, earthquake pwns target http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
also could slice through targets like uboat pens http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

and the grandslam, a meagre 22,000lbs, a enlarged tallboy. bent the wings on the lanc http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

HotelBushranger
12-23-2005, 09:15 AM
Well, as 4 engines are impossible in this game, why not concentrate on the twins? There are a bunch of twins I'd LOVE to have ingame...Wellington, Hudson, Invader, Toryu, Ki-21 (Sally was it? Or Nick), more Beaus, Beaufort, Catalina (woohoo!), more A20's, more P-38s, Whirlwind (there ya go Flyer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) et cetera et cetera...

p1ngu666
12-23-2005, 09:17 AM
u forgot about the mossie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

work for the gestapo site location team?

HotelBushranger
12-23-2005, 09:20 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif Oh ****! My bad! I knew there was one I was forgetting http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

TooCooL34
12-23-2005, 09:25 AM
We need TARGET object beforehand.

p1ngu666
12-23-2005, 09:33 AM
true, still more bombers wouldnt go amiss http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

F19_Olli72
12-23-2005, 10:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
more A20's </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, hopefully we'll get A-20C right? That'll be cool for desert scenarios (and eastern front...multi-theatre bombers = http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif ):

ElAurens
12-23-2005, 11:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:

or the lanc, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The B17 is prettier...

*Runs for cover from mob of enraged Englihmen....*

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RAF23-Chainsaw
12-23-2005, 01:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:

or the lanc, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The B17 is prettier...

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Actually, I would prefer a B17G before a Lancaster. the B17G flew day missions wich is the only mission we can fly in IL2 and we have all the escort planes in the P38, P47 and P51. and Yes, I can use a B17G on most maps, especially gulf of finland. I fly mostly B25 and on most Online maps I need to hold and climb over base to right altitude before heading for enemy area to be on a OK altitude, or take the oposite heading to get altitude, on Normandy2 map where the target is Le havre i almost always take heading 270 and climbs up to the maps edge before turning and comming back and passing the brittish island att 10 000feet and holding that or climbing some more before le havre, anyway.

If I do this in the B25, why cant I do that in the B17G ? the excuse that the maps doesnt fit the B17 arent good excuses for me refering to what I do with the B25... so bring me that B17G!

S!

Monty_Thrud
12-23-2005, 02:03 PM
Yes more Bombers in BoB...however will the greater detail make it even less likely than they are in IL2...i certainly would prefer to have a bomber with just the c ockpit and leave the turrets to the AI only...if that gave it a better chance to be in, rather than just not flyable...but will Oleg


What is it someone said three fighters to one bomber in workload...personally i think it'll be left to the 3rd party modellers...just IMO

p1ngu666
12-24-2005, 04:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:

or the lanc, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The B17 is prettier...

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hmm, lanc is like a old girl, and has lots of presenance. the lanc is probably the better bomber (loadouts, weight and variety, etc) but the b17 does a ton (literaly probably) of 50cals...

HotelBushranger
12-25-2005, 12:11 AM
Halifax baby http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

msalama
12-25-2005, 12:37 AM
Hmm... I was admittedly a bit sceptical of this request when it 1st popped up a while ago, because hey, it seems to me that ppl can't even handle what lightish multi-engine types we've got in the game ALREADY, and they still want some HEAVIES in!

But then again, what do I know... so yep, B-17s, Superfortresses, Lancs and Halibagses would be a http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif addition, even if this place choked with whining of said types being "impossible" to taxi afterwards http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

HotelBushranger
12-25-2005, 12:40 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Oh yes, just think of all the whining you'd get..."My dorsal turret doesn't fire at 5000000rpm, porked!'

My God what have we unleashed...

Xiolablu3
12-25-2005, 02:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Liberator_13th:
The cockpit models for bombers have been very good, but I thnik you've neglected the two most important bombers of WWII...

Of course... B-24 and B-17

So I really need input from averyone on these forums to show that we really need cockpits from these two most legendary bombers of WWII. B-29 would be nice also but it came late in WWII.

I've seen many people not like this game because of the lack of cockpits from these two. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

After everything Icefire says, I will add this...

The most important ignorance of your post is that you think that these 2 are the 'most important' bombers of WW2.

Are these 2 bombers the most important to someone living in Kursk for example&gt;? Or Italy?

You are showing a lack of knowledge of the big picture, and just what you have seen on TV.

Just some friendly advice, no bad feeling meant. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p1ngu666
12-25-2005, 06:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Oh yes, just think of all the whining you'd get..."My dorsal turret doesn't fire at 5000000rpm, porked!'

My God what have we unleashed... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

fourgun rear, and top turret will spit out some 4800rounds per min, enuff ammo for about 2 minutres of fire too i think http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

a b25 turret, or any other twin 50cals would spit out 1560rpm, dunno about the german z gun thingy tho, that had uber rof

ImpStarDuece
12-25-2005, 08:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Liberator_13th:
The cockpit models for bombers have been very good, but I thnik you've neglected the two most important bombers of WWII...

Of course... B-24 and B-17

So I really need input from averyone on these forums to show that we really need cockpits from these two most legendary bombers of WWII. B-29 would be nice also but it came late in WWII.

I've seen many people not like this game because of the lack of cockpits from these two. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

After everything Icefire says, I will add this...

The most important ignorance of your post is that you think that these 2 are the 'most important' bombers of WW2.

Are these 2 bombers the most important to someone living in Kursk for example&gt;? Or Italy?

You are showing a lack of knowledge of the big picture, and just what you have seen on TV.

Just some friendly advice, no bad feeling meant. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


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Holycannoli
12-25-2005, 10:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Especially when all anyone has to do is check the score tab to see if one is in the air. Instant target intel for the enemy fighters </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That brings up a question that's been nagging me for a long time: Is there a way to disable the score tab, or to censor it so the plane being flown is not shown? I've always found that to be a cheap way to get intel (and yeah I use it).

p1ngu666
12-26-2005, 12:34 AM
not that i know off.

ive heard ppl on comms cheer when ppl hop in bombers