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Schmouddle-WT
10-27-2004, 03:31 AM
Yesterday, Playman who is a local exclusive distributor of Ubi's games here in Czech Republic, announced the release of PF in CZ will be postponed to at least to December due to Ubi's lack of interest in Czech market leading to delay in printing the master CD.
Recently I have been commenting Ubi's lack of interest in the Central European markets. And this is the final proof of my opinion. (see my post in thread here My post about Ubi (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=1371060032&p=8))

This thread is called a bitter complaint - and it is so. We have joined EU recently, we have the market economy for 14 years now, but still we are treated like a third-grade customers.
I want to say that such a lack of interest in small, but strong group of customers only leads to dissatisfaction with the services provided.
If we are not able to simply buy your product, many will obtain it illegal way and when it comes to the market MONTHS after it was available elswhere they never buy it. The spiral spins.

The problem with illegal copies in Central and Eastern Europe is this time a problem of distributor, not being able to provide the market with the product itself in time and sell it for a reasonable and affordable price in economies not as wealthy as the Western countries are.

I have spent a lot of money and time setting up a public 24/7 hour dedicated server (WT_Dedicated) for the community, just to be rewarded with a status of third-grade customer, bieng literaly pushed to (at least temporary) piracy.

In CZ, we call Ubi Soft by a czech nikcname - Ubijsoft, means "Beat the Software to Death".....How pertinent.

THANK YOU, Ubi!

To all:
Comments welcomed!

Schmouddle-WT
10-27-2004, 03:31 AM
Yesterday, Playman who is a local exclusive distributor of Ubi's games here in Czech Republic, announced the release of PF in CZ will be postponed to at least to December due to Ubi's lack of interest in Czech market leading to delay in printing the master CD.
Recently I have been commenting Ubi's lack of interest in the Central European markets. And this is the final proof of my opinion. (see my post in thread here My post about Ubi (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=1371060032&p=8))

This thread is called a bitter complaint - and it is so. We have joined EU recently, we have the market economy for 14 years now, but still we are treated like a third-grade customers.
I want to say that such a lack of interest in small, but strong group of customers only leads to dissatisfaction with the services provided.
If we are not able to simply buy your product, many will obtain it illegal way and when it comes to the market MONTHS after it was available elswhere they never buy it. The spiral spins.

The problem with illegal copies in Central and Eastern Europe is this time a problem of distributor, not being able to provide the market with the product itself in time and sell it for a reasonable and affordable price in economies not as wealthy as the Western countries are.

I have spent a lot of money and time setting up a public 24/7 hour dedicated server (WT_Dedicated) for the community, just to be rewarded with a status of third-grade customer, bieng literaly pushed to (at least temporary) piracy.

In CZ, we call Ubi Soft by a czech nikcname - Ubijsoft, means "Beat the Software to Death".....How pertinent.

THANK YOU, Ubi!

To all:
Comments welcomed!

The_Ant
10-27-2004, 03:38 AM
Seams like etnic cleansing almost,as you say it feels like they dont give a rats @ss about your country,which is vierd since money is always money,but not in Ubish.t eyes they are.

Fresshness
10-27-2004, 03:46 AM
Face it, the czech republic is not the economic-engine EU is leaning on for it's wealth.

truth is, czech republic is a country with alot of poverty and average wages are very low compared to average EU wages.

From a marketing standpoint it makes alot of sense not spending huge sums of money on a dubious market. Ok, that sucks for you, but, you can still buy it of the internet, or make a trip to germany or austria. It ain't that far if you really want to get it.

Tomus
10-27-2004, 03:49 AM
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/ref=sr_sp_go_qs/028-7186172-1229325

They sell it why not mail order? Or drive to where they do?

peci1975
10-27-2004, 03:57 AM
Fresshness, where are you from?
Have you ever been in Czech Rep?
So what do you mean "a lot of poverty"?

Fresshness
10-27-2004, 04:02 AM
It has been some time ago, yes, "a lot of poverty" is what I would describe it. Granted, it has been 8-10 years ago, but compared to my homeland, it had a lot of poverty then. I can only imagine the ratio has been more or less the same.

By what I said is that it has a lot of poverty compared to other or the average of other EU countries. Look it up, you'll see I'm (more or less) right.

btw: you *do* know what 'poverty' means, don't you. Just to make clear I don't have to explain that word to you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GH_Klingstroem
10-27-2004, 04:06 AM
at least u have among the most beautiful girls in the world!! thats someting!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

peci1975
10-27-2004, 04:12 AM
Fresshness, You didn't answer my question - where are you from? 10 years is long time. Yes, it's true, that we cannot compare with Germany, France... But what do you think about Spain, Greece...? I don't think, that there is so big different...

Fresshness
10-27-2004, 04:18 AM
Peci, my intention is not to diss you or the czech republic. You seem like a nice person and I know the czech republic rules! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

that aside and to answer your question; I live in Belgium. and let me give you one indication; I hope you already heard about GDP figures. If you compare belgium with the czech republic (both ~ 10million users). you'll see that the GDP for belgium is almost double that of the czech republic. This in itself speaks volumes.

Patrikhuhu
10-27-2004, 04:19 AM
I didn't buy orig. Il-2 from Playmen. I didn't buy FB+AEP from Playmen. And... I will not buy AEP from Playmen. I am not patient http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif.
I am using service of non-official importer and I have EN versions.

peci1975
10-27-2004, 04:29 AM
Fresshness
Sister of mz grand mother lived in Belgium http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif) (till 2002).
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif)) I don't think, that Czech rep. rules http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif). Yes I already heard about GDP figures http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif)

altamont
10-27-2004, 04:31 AM
buy it from amazon, ebay...

peci1975
10-27-2004, 04:32 AM
sorry I didn't want to use http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif, but http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. My mistake, I wrote it on keyboard, not by picture http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

james_ander
10-27-2004, 04:51 AM
Hidden and Dangerous 2 comes from the Czech Republic.


Yay Czech Rebulic!

JohnnyBlademan
10-27-2004, 04:52 AM
Schmouddle-WT Well that sucks any way you shake it!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif I feel for you, I'm an American who lives in Japan and I won't see PF for a long time if I ever see it (they are still selling the original IL-2 in the new games section for about $60). Now to get an English copy.....

Altamont, Amazon has a policy that they won't ship software outside the US or Canada, or I would have no problems.

It is ironic that last week's HOT topic was about piracy and how to stop it. Many people said that they download/warez because the software isn't available (ie. not sold yet)where they live. And here we are, a devout game fan with money in hand not being able to buy software locally when the game is already being played in some parts of the world.
just my .02

von_lundenburg
10-27-2004, 04:56 AM
Why not buy it over internet, or make a trip to Austria or Germany? Why not buy it for much higher price? Its better for UBI sell one copy for fifty bucks or five for 30?

It is surely not better for buyers in CZ.

rudidlo
10-27-2004, 04:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by altamont:
buy it from amazon, ebay... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
How can I pay @ amazon or ebay?

rudidlo
10-27-2004, 04:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tomus:
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/ref=sr_sp_go_qs/028-7186172-1229325

They sell it why not mail order? Or drive to where they do? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How can I pay @ amazon or ebay?

rudidlo
10-27-2004, 05:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Ok, that sucks for you, but, you can still buy it of the internet, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Most of internet markets not sell to the Czech republic.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
or make a trip to germany or austria. It ain't that far if you really want to get it.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes. You're right. but why I have to triple PF price? Why I have to pay 1/5 of average monthly net salary for one game? Would you pay this portion of your salary for this game?

Fresshness
10-27-2004, 05:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by von_lundenburg:
Why not buy it over internet, or make a trip to Austria or Germany? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What's wrong with it? You really want it bad, but you don't want to make the least amount of effort to get it? U a slacker?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Why not buy it for much higher price? Its better for UBI sell one copy for fifty bucks or five for 30? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

1 for 50 bucks or 5 for 30 bucks ? which is best ? impossible to say when profit-margins are unknown. Therefor your question becomes irrelevant.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It is surely not better for buyers in CZ. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

? what's best for buyers in CZ is that they have an option to buy it in first place! and you have. Internet, another country that's a mere 60 km away. I'm not complaining if I have to drive 60km to brussels in order to get it. Calm down!


to answer rudidlo's question: you can pay with Creditcard such as Visa or MasterCard

Edit: ok, saw your 3rd post too late rudidlo:

Ebay sells it all over the world, I'm pretty sure this includes Czech Republic.

How comes it's 3x more expensive in Germany than in Czech? How do you know, just curious. If you know the Czech price, why don't you buy it (since it's obviously for sale since you know the price). 2nd, it seems you czech-guys make alot less of money each month. While that sucks, I can't do anything about it. I'm just a belgian civilian with no political aspirations whatsoever.

Ruy Horta
10-27-2004, 05:13 AM
One answer:

Play.com (http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=PC&title=181699)

Free shipping, so the price is about the same as local stores. I'd guess 4-7 days before you have your copies.

If I don't find something locally, the local market simply misses some income, that's all...VIVA the EU (or Credit Cards and PayPal for that matter).

von_lundenburg
10-27-2004, 05:26 AM
Fressness: I have Il-2, FB and AEP from www.cdromshop.com.. (http://www.cdromshop.com..).
If question 1/50 or 5/30 is irrelevant then are irrelevant complaints about piracy

rudidlo
10-27-2004, 05:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ruy Horta:
One answer:

http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=PC&title=181699

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Play.com not sell to the Czech republic. You must read.

Ankanor
10-27-2004, 05:29 AM
ebay Germany, there you can find it. I saw one auction ended at 25,5 Euros. Add, say 10 Euros for shipping.

Fresshness
10-27-2004, 05:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by von_lundenburg:
Fressness: I have Il-2, FB and AEP from http://www.cdromshop.com...
If question 1/50 or 5/30 is irrelevant then are irrelevant complaints about piracy <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

and cdromshop.com doesn't sell PF? maybe wait a week or so?

sorry to be so blunt earlier. Let us not concentrate on marketing strategies preffered by UBI (1/50 or 5/30). we will never know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

falco_cz
10-27-2004, 05:36 AM
A co třeba www.highinthesky.cz (http://www.highinthesky.cz) přij*maj* objednávky na dob*rku. Distribuce byla již zahájena, cena 1200,- k. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rudidlo
10-27-2004, 05:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fresshness:
Ebay sells it all over the world, I'm pretty sure this includes Czech Republic.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am sorry. Banks in Czech republic are not obliging to issue credit cards (If so, it is very expensive). I have only card to my bank account. I afraid of writting informations about my bank account card over internet, because if anybody gets my card information he may get my money. Bank not return any money to me.

PayPal is not aviable in CZ.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>How comes it's 3x more expensive in Germany than in Czech? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wroted it about price for product + fuel expenses. I am sorry, but I have eat something too.

weasel75
10-27-2004, 05:47 AM
While UBI will not translate PF for czech market soon, there sure should some shops selling english or german (geographically closer) copies.
Maybe one could arrange a shopping-trip to Germany or buy there and get it delivered to Czech Republic.
Or you start your own enterprise with selling english/german copies in Czech Rep. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
(one have to admit that the small sim-market would make it hard, maybe pre-order would help?)

Freshness: factor "almost double" in GDP-figures makes Belgium so much better about the country with "alot of poverty"? Then Spain, Greece and Portugal must have a lot of poverty compared to Luxembourg too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
And ask some people from Spain, I doubt they agree on them living in poverty.
Did you meant something closer to "indigence" or "impecuniosity" (and even that is hard/ignorant judgement about the Czech Republic)? "Poverty" always has a taste of adversity/affliction in it (at least where I come from) ... but, on the other hand, I start to discuss words in a foreign language http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

PS: Its not all in the numbers. As long as living-costs are adequate, nobody lives in poverty, even with low wage compared to some "rich" country where people pay double or triple the price for a flat and 3x the price for a beer in a bar http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif
Measure of well-being and living-standards are not covered by GDP-numbers or wages either.

IKG26Redcoat
10-27-2004, 05:47 AM
I think the point was, not how to get it. Im sure he is aware that he can mail order through the net from anywhere in europe, the point is it wont be in his language. I wouldnt be impressed with having to buy a french or german copy, even if I spoke french or german! Why cant he have it in Czech..... flight simmers are a realitivly small group of the pc game market anyway, in any country, so its a bit unfair not to provide for one particular country. Like he said, they are in the EU !

and by the way, drop the poverty bit, that was poor bloody taste, however it was meant.....

rudidlo
10-27-2004, 05:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ankanor:
ebay Germany, there you can find it. I saw one auction ended at 25,5 Euros. Add, say 10 Euros for shipping. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I am sorry. Banks in Czech republic are not obliging to issue credit cards (If so, it is very expensive). I have only card to my bank account. I afraid of writting informations about my bank account card over internet, because if anybody gets my card information he may get my money. Bank not return any money to me.

PayPal is not aviable in CZ.

Fresshness
10-27-2004, 05:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Freshness: factor "almost double" in GDP-figures makes Belgium so much better about the country with "alot of poverty"? Then Spain, Greece and Portugal must have a lot of poverty compared to Luxembourg too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
And ask some people from Spain, I doubt they agree on them living in poverty.
Did you meant something closer to "indigence" or "impecuniosity"? Since "poverty" always has a taste of adversity/affliction in it (at least where I come from) ... but, on the other hand, I start to discuss words in a foreign language http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

PS: Its not all in the numbers. As long as living-costs are adequate, nobody lives in poverty, even with low wage compared to some "rich" country where people pay double or triple the price for a flat and 3x the price for a beer in a bar http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif
Measure of well-being and living-standards are not covered by GDP-numbers or wages either. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You make wrong assumptions. I'm not saying that Belgium is better than Czech. I know for a fact it's not. GDP does indicate to some degree state of wealth within the country. Please don't bash me for it. I never said Czech was a poor country. if you read it, you misinterpreted it. Also, I'm trying to nuance it as hard so I don't upset too much people. Well, I thought I succeeded in doing that, obviously I failed miserably.

rudidlo
10-27-2004, 05:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by falco_cz:
A co třeba http://www.highinthesky.cz přij*maj* objednávky na dob*rku. Distribuce byla již zahájena, cena 1200,- k. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Jo. D*ky. To ale nen* eská verze, že?

MaxMhz
10-27-2004, 06:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Schmouddle-WT:
Yesterday, Playman who is a local exclusive distributor of Ubi's games here in Czech Republic, announced the release of PF in CZ will be postponed to at least to December due to Ubi's lack of interest in Czech market leading to delay in printing the master CD.
Recently I have been commenting Ubi's lack of interest in the Central European markets. And this is the final proof of my opinion. (see my post in thread here http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=1371060032&p=8)

This thread is called a bitter complaint - and it is so. We have joined EU recently, we have the market economy for 14 years now, but still we are treated like a third-grade customers.
I want to say that such a lack of interest in small, but strong group of customers only leads to dissatisfaction with the services provided.
If we are not able to simply buy your product, many will obtain it illegal way and when it comes to the market MONTHS after it was available elswhere they never buy it. The spiral spins.

The problem with illegal copies in Central and Eastern Europe is this time a problem of distributor, not being able to provide the market with the product itself in time and sell it for a reasonable and affordable price in economies not as wealthy as the Western countries are.

I have spent a lot of money and time setting up a public 24/7 hour dedicated server (WT_Dedicated) for the community, just to be rewarded with a status of third-grade customer, bieng literaly pushed to (at least temporary) piracy.

In CZ, we call Ubi Soft by a czech nikcname - Ubijsoft, means "Beat the Software to Death".....How pertinent.

THANK YOU, Ubi!

To all:
Comments welcomed! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I don't agree with all of it;
If UBI doesn't seem interested, that's bad but not the end of the world...

COMMERCE WITHIN THE EU IS SUPPOSED TO BE FREE

...meaning NO ONE and NOTHING stops you from purchasing the product in Germany, Netherlands, France, Spain etc. etc. (even the postage is the same within the EU and within your own country).

my 2 cents

BSR_RuGGBuTT
10-27-2004, 06:46 AM
My family just returned from the Czech Republic less than a month ago. While wages are lower there than other parts of Europe the poverty you describe isn't there en masse. The country is clean, the people are wonderful and there are indeed some beautiful women there. Being part of the EU market isn't all it's cracked up to be either. A short trip to Vienna found my grandfather paying 5 dollars for a beer, whereas in the Republic you paid 75 cents (US dollars conversion). While I love my country I'm thankful that the worst parts of where I live haven't polluted the part of the world that I claim my lineage (on both sides of my family).

What was amusing about the trip was the locals asking my grandmother how she learned to speak english so well, and without an accent. Her mother came from Prague but she was born in the US. Evidently she speaks "proper" Czech and w/out an "american" accent.........lol.

weasel75
10-27-2004, 06:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fresshness:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by weasel75:
Measure of well-being and living-standards are not covered by GDP-numbers or wages either. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You make wrong assumptions. I'm not saying that Belgium is better than Czech. I know for a fact it's not. GDP does indicate to some degree state of wealth within the country. Please don't bash me for it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, I did not mean to bash you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
But you made a strong statement about a country you just had visited some decade ago. The numbers to backup your statement were not really impressive. Plus, that numbers say not much (just "to some degree state..").

Anyway, S! to all and good luck for all the pilots in (yet)"unsupported" countries, may the PF-fairy deliver the sim to all of you very soon ...


PS: Belgium was not assumed to be "better" in general (health, ASH (Average State of Happiness), etc.), but in economic means. While this may be true with the simple GDP-comparison, GDP does not evaluate living-costs and well-being (besides the general critic about the GDP-ratings (average vs. distribution thrue the nation, hidden costs, etc)).

Schmouddle-WT
10-27-2004, 07:16 AM
Now I see a lot has happened here since my first post.

I would like to comment questions raised and answered here.

1/ Regarding ordering PF online: We are generaly not accepted as regular customers - PayPal is not available for us ,online shops like E-bay or Amazon does not ship to CZ, our banks do not issue a real credit cards for common people. Postage is not the same to CZ is not the same as to other EU countries.

2/ I do not understand why shall I go abroad to buy it - it is not 60km as stated here by somebody, Vienna is at least 120km. Why shall I spend five times that much on obtaining PF because Ubi is not able to sell it here?

Fresshness
10-27-2004, 07:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Schmouddle-WT:
Now I see a lot has happened here since my first post.

I would like to comment questions raised and answered here.

1/ Regarding ordering PF online: We are generaly not accepted as regular customers - PayPal is not available for us ,online shops like E-bay or Amazon does not ship to CZ, our banks do not issue a real credit cards for common people. Postage is not the same to CZ is not the same as to other EU countries. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess it's playing the waiting-game for you then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif sucks, but accept it. it's just a game in the end.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
2/ I do not understand why shall I go abroad to buy it - it is not 60km as stated here by somebody, Vienna is at least 120km. Why shall I spend five times that much on obtaining PF because Ubi is not able to sell it here? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some people drive +500km or even further to get something they REALLY REALLY want. It's just your level of really wanting it.

GerritJ9
10-27-2004, 07:36 AM
I live in the Netherlands, but I can't get PF/IL2FB/AEP in my language either- what is wrong with an English-language version????????
At least Finns, Hungarians, Rumanians and Germans get a speech pack in their language- PF has included the Netherlands, but NO Dutch speech pack- BUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Bolt40
10-27-2004, 07:47 AM
You can buy the game off the net anywhere and have it shipped pretty quick depending how you fast you want it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

drapis
10-27-2004, 07:47 AM
The Czech Republic is not a big country, though it is the great one! We are not a rich country either, and IIRC, the piracy figures are about 50% +-.

The situation with PF here simply reflects UBI's attitude towards smaller markets.

And especially with this ever reappearing problem of software piracy, the UBI's stand is even more incomprehensible for me.

CZ=not a big market (say max. 5000 copies of Il-2), but we're part of EU, rapidly developing market economy. one of the leading new EU states. increasing GDP and standard of living = more and more money can be spend on non-essential needs like computer games.

I'd expect UBI to give his potentional customers here some other signal than: If you really want to be honest and buy the game, you'll have to wait for month(s) more than in the western part of Europe... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Frankly, I'm so upset by this kind of behaviour that I don't care if the piracy hurts UBI, I'm just sorry that it also hurts such dedicated team as 1C

When PF is out here, I'm gonna buy it. As for now... ehm...



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

S!

TAGERT.
10-27-2004, 08:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Schmouddle-WT:
To all:
Comments welcomed! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Welcome to worderful world of capitalism! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DuxCorvan
10-27-2004, 08:42 AM
Weasel, I welcome CZ Republic to EU. But you shouldn't compare it to Spain so lightly. Spanish GNP (646603$)is almost ten times that of Czech Republic (70929$), and the per capita income is more than double. Since I don't think the Czech 'live in poverty', it's clear the Spanish have a higher level of life. And if you've been in Spain, you have likely seen ASH is higher than in ANY other European country, and I've been in most of them.

If it serves as a counsel, here in Spain is still hard to find PF in any store. That's because sim sellings are not profitable for most stores.

papaboon
10-27-2004, 09:07 AM
As with all free market systems, market segmentation is a basic effect of "supply and demand".
Even here in the U.S. the price and availability of any goods or services can vary dramatically from region to region!

In my own humble opinion, to state simply €œit€s just a game€ is a little na¯ve!
Without diving into the psychological depths of being part of the human experience.
Regardless of what it is, we all want to be part of something, whether it be a PC game, a sport or any activity that involves contact with other human beings with the same interests, we all enjoy the camaraderie!

LEXX_Luthor
10-27-2004, 09:09 AM
Avia B.534 not coming over the FP http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif pingu?

Lazy312
10-27-2004, 10:18 AM
I buy sometimes on Amazon (last time Shaw's Fighter Combat Tactics http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) so it is definitely possible for Czech people.

On the other hand packaging and delivery is significantly higher than for most European countries.

I think that the reason why PF are not available here is simple - they want to sell localized version and it takes some time to make it. I personaly don't care about localized versions but I understand they want to offer it as even for PF most buyers are probably not serious simmers. If this is good for sales I don't know..

I also think we will have an opportunity to buy English version here very soon. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://flagspot.net/images/c/cz.gif

Burnin_777_AVG
10-27-2004, 10:33 AM
Just do business with American companies. We hold no grudges and will sell anything to anyone worldwide.

BV

weasel75
10-27-2004, 10:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
And if you've been in Spain, you have likely seen ASH is higher than in ANY other European country, and I've been in most of them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Na.. no comparison for countries, thats actually what I tried to critize with the over-exagerated comparison (it was not between Spain vs. Czech anyway, it was about Luxembourg (one of the best european GDP-figures)). The statement about other countries is mostly based on numbers, and numbers never do justice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
ASH: have been living with spanish a boy and girl for one year (and with czech girl for another 6 months).
I liked both http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>That's because sim sellings are not profitable for most stores. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats a sad reality for all countries. Flightsims just do not sell as good anymore as they used to. In Germany you also have to look out for PF, big stores have it sometimes, smaller see it as to "risky" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

S! - W75

weasel75
10-27-2004, 10:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Burnin_777_AVG:
Just do business with American companies. We hold no grudges and will sell anything to anyone worldwide.BV <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL, you forgot the smileys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh .. no ... wait, actually, US *is* truly selling everything to anyone worldwide http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
10-27-2004, 10:44 AM
Hi,

I've been to Cz many times and always find it a fantastic place with good people who actually appear to still have some morals and values, which is worth far more than any material wealth.

Compare a night out in Prague to one in London and you'll see what I mean.

Cheers,
Norris

Fresshness
10-27-2004, 10:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Hi,

I've been to Cz many times and always find it a fantastic place with good people who actually appear to still have some morals and values, which is worth far more than any material wealth. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I fully agree!

DuxCorvan
10-27-2004, 01:39 PM
Agreed. And Prague is for sure one of the most beautiful cities in the world. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

LuckyBoy1
10-27-2004, 02:23 PM
Well, if you don't mind it in another language, simply order it from another country.

BSR_RuGGBuTT
10-27-2004, 03:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
I've been to Cz many times and always find it a fantastic place with good people who actually appear to still have some morals and values, which is worth far more than any material wealth.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly! I hope that the beauty of the countryside and the beauty of the populous remains as is.

VMF223_Smitty
10-27-2004, 04:18 PM
Salute to the Czech Republic !