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stalkervision
06-18-2008, 07:09 AM
Anyone have the absolute best data for these two aircraft/BOB in climbing compairisons? I don't want to see any captured 109's with half dead engines in other words.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
06-18-2008, 07:09 AM
Anyone have the absolute best data for these two aircraft/BOB in climbing compairisons? I don't want to see any captured 109's with half dead engines in other words.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mr_Zooly
06-18-2008, 01:56 PM
That is going to be difficult mate, its a case of what you said or biased figures from the associated owners (RAF & LW)

Xiolablu3
06-18-2008, 02:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr_Zooly:
That is going to be difficult mate, its a case of what you said or biased figures from the associated owners (RAF & LW) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They are not biased figures from teh associated owners.

The RAE and Rechlin are very accurate for their respective countries aircraft.

As Stalker knows however, its best not to get data from captured examples of each.

Both Rechlin and the RAE test establishment went to great lengths to tests real world examples and not perfect prototypes.

For example a lot of the SPitfire MkIX testing was done with a SPitfire mkV converted to a MkIX and not a pristine brand new aircraft.

Rechlin would do the same. Whats the point in them have completely different figures from the Squadrons for the same plane? It would serve as a big hindrance and serve no benefit at all. These figures were not used for propaganda, but for vital testing. Both agencies, the RAE and Rechlin NEEDED to know the real world speed of airplanes, not some inflated figure which made the plane look better than it was.

The figures were secret until well after the war.

Just make sure that you get the data from teh country of origin and not some battered captured aircraft, or plane running on the wrong fuel.

stalkervision
06-18-2008, 02:24 PM
How did you get so smart Xiolablu3 ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Xiolablu3
06-18-2008, 02:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
How did you get so smart Xiolablu3 ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I had a brain transplant last Satnesday.

Twas a great success! I pity the poor blighter who got my old brain however.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

SlickStick
06-18-2008, 02:46 PM
Although, I'm sure you already know about this (http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spittest.html) site, this is the place I usually start when looking for Spitfire performance data, as they usually include links to actual scanned reports and other data.

There is a Mk. I and Mk. IIa section that you can peruse for some reference material. There is also some good references to Spitfire vs. 109-E comparisons at the bottom of the Mk. I page.

stalkervision
06-18-2008, 02:48 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif That's what you get for going to a second hand road side used brain lot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

stalkervision
06-18-2008, 02:52 PM
Just remember You-all. Oleg and his sim designers may be looking here for these relevent figures for his spitfires and 109's in BOB/SOW so make them good or you might get some porked planes.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Xiolablu3
06-18-2008, 02:54 PM
Arent there any Climb rate tests of Mid 1940 109E1/E3/E4's on Kurfy's site?

Kurfy has the best Bf109 resource sit I have seen.

http://kurfurst.allaboutwarfare.com/#Friedrich


Just OT for a second, there is a very interesting British test of a captured/damaged Bf109F2 on that site.

Unfortunatly is went into a mysterious steep dive from which it never recovered and crashed. I think the pilot was killed, but I cant be sure on that. The fact that it says 'mysterious' suggests they never got a chance to talk to the pilot.

Possibly he was testing the dive capability and becasue he was in a strange aircraft he couldnt find the trim wheel in the dive. Or maybe a control cable snapped, the plane was damaged after all.

http://kurfurst.allaboutwarfare.com/Tactical_trials/109...09F2_ES906_AFDU.html (http://kurfurst.allaboutwarfare.com/Tactical_trials/109F2_UK/109F2_ES906_AFDU.html)

Not saying we should use the data found on this test, but it is an interesting read, non-the-less. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
06-18-2008, 04:01 PM
Thanks buddy, I will give the site a look. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

K_Freddie
06-18-2008, 04:24 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif It's the pilot I tell you... it has nothing to do with the aircraft... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif