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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 03:42 PM
Been flying this since the Demo of IL-2.
Recent FM changes are the reason.


Bring on Lomac.
Bye.

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 03:42 PM
Been flying this since the Demo of IL-2.
Recent FM changes are the reason.


Bring on Lomac.
Bye.

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 03:46 PM
It's tough, to see your favorite sim going backwards instead of forwards. I have lost faith also. I just play IL2 and the unpatched version of FB off line

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 03:48 PM
Late dude

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 03:52 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 03:52 PM
Bye,
I hope Lomac will feel "right" to you as opposed to IL2FB.
Be warned though... I've been told it's going to be quite realistic... (hmmmm, not quite unlike IL2FB actually)

Enjoy.

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 03:54 PM
You'll be missed!

Wait .. who are you again?


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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 03:57 PM
DakotaC wrote: "Been flying this since the Demo of IL-2. Recent FM changes are the reason. Bring on Lomac. Bye."

Over 10 posts

prozac70n wrote: "It's tough, to see your favorite sim going backwards instead of forwards. I have lost faith also. I just play IL2 and the unpatched version of FB off line"

Over 10 posts

Such valuable members of this community will be sorely missed!

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 04:02 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 04:07 PM
Is it because FB is too hard and you want to try your hand at a jet sim? Other than that, why would you post this without making a cognitive argument about the FM before you completely abandon something?

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 04:11 PM
DakotaC wrote:
- Been flying this since the Demo of IL-2.
- Recent FM changes are the reason.
-
-
- Bring on Lomac.
- Bye.
-

LOL /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
I'm sure that it won't be long before you are unsatisfied with Lomac's FM. What flight sim are you most content with on FM?


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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 04:14 PM
LoL. C'mon everybody. It'll get better. I mean, just because some bugs and problems exist doesn't mean you have to switch to a sim with radar and heat seeking missles.

I do love the drama, though.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 07:27 PM
Will DakotaC take a turn for the worse and stick to his words abolishing IL-2 FB forever?

Will Prozac70 marrie Jimbob and finally take a real SRI?

Tune in next week for "As the squad room turns".........

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 07:31 PM
Bye

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 07:38 PM
Oh well, bye.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 07:40 PM
Hmm. We`ve been getting a few of these `new posters up to around 10 posts` lately, spouting rubbish, no reason, no cause, no logic...

They come on, say something to get a reaction, then they never respond again. They go away, change name, get up to 10 posts, then do this drivel again. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

It could be some kinda weird nutter campaign to put down FB. Why? I dunno.

Maybe we should ask the `Sabs` (Sabotagers), who they are and what`s their agenda. Come on Sabs, what is it?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

(p.s. Genuine new posters please disregard).





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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 07:53 PM
Sayonara tomodachi.

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 07:56 PM
Thinking about quitting myself, not that the game is so bad, even with the blatant errors, the arcade FMs and so forth, its still a graphical dream and has many wonderfull features

But really extremely disappointing for me is the knowledge that the developpers are deliberately making the LW FM worse and the Russians better and that they have a completely hostile and arrogant attitude towards people arguing with them about it..

Now if you ask me how i can know that...did you read the mail of Youss where he states that Oleg and Dimas made the decision to change weight and power ratios of the 109s to "Balance" the game...
Of course this is only the tip of the icemountain, arguing for three years now about FW...
Can i really play a game which is so prejudiced ?? Where the developpers are hiding what they do and for what reason and lying about it, quoting some obscure engineer mentioning to Oleg that the 109s are still too good and saying its all because of "Historical truth" ....

Unfortunately there are not many alternatives yet... well, i downloaded Warbirds 3 client, i will get BoB with the new community development packages and wait what the next months will bring... we will see...
When i asked a question about BoB in the SImHQ Forum somebody answered with: Ah, another one fed up with Olegs Brick vs. Ufo game...

II/JG54_Zent

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 07:56 PM
Toodle-ooo. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 07:58 PM
see ya when the withdrawl symptoms get to much

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:00 PM
DakotaC wrote:
- Been flying this since the Demo of IL-2.
- Recent FM changes are the reason.
-
-
- Bring on Lomac.
- Bye.
-
-

Bye then/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:32 PM
Zentaurus wrote:
- Thinking about quitting myself, not that the game is
- so bad, even with the blatant errors, the arcade FMs
- and so forth, its still a graphical dream and has
- many wonderfull features
-
- But really extremely disappointing for me is the
- knowledge that the developpers are deliberately
- making the LW FM worse and the Russians better and
- that they have a completely hostile and arrogant
- attitude towards people arguing with them about it..
-
- Now if you ask me how i can know that...did you read
- the mail of Youss where he states that Oleg and
- Dimas made the decision to change weight and power
- ratios of the 109s to "Balance" the game...

Shut. Up.

You have already been corrected on this.

By me.

Perhaps even more than once.

Go back. And read. The thread.

You dolt.


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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:34 PM
DakotaC wrote:
- Been flying this since the Demo of IL-2.
- Recent FM changes are the reason.
-
-
- Bring on Lomac.
- Bye.

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Message Edited on 09/21/0307:34PM by steve_v

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:41 PM
OMG! Don't quit! Please think about it a bit longer. What will we do without you?!?

Just for our sakes think about what we had together. IL2 won't ever be the same again without you, please don't leave.



/runs off sobbing...

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:44 PM
night then.



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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:44 PM
Extreme_One wrote:
- DakotaC wrote: "Been flying this since the Demo
- of IL-2. Recent FM changes are the reason. Bring on
- Lomac. Bye."
-
- Over 10 posts
-
- prozac70n wrote: "It's tough, to see your
- favorite sim going backwards instead of forwards. I
- have lost faith also. I just play IL2 and the
- unpatched version of FB off line"
-
- Over 10 posts
-
- Such valuable members of this community will be
- sorely missed!
-
- S! Simon.
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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:50 PM
Guys,last night I checked every plane in IL2 for correct speeds and they were spot in in IL2-Compare.What needs to now be checked is all the climb speeds of all planes.What ever happened to Gunkan?Wasnt he waiting for the final version to come out where he would then redo his complete climb speeds of all planes?

This is what we need and we need it fast since Oleg stated that the next add-on will have last adjustments to FM.Lets not post about quiting and instead post real stats.

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:53 PM
Zentaurus, I got a great deal of pleasure from BoB when it came out and MiG Alley, and Flying Corps before thathttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But it's one thing to enjoy a game for what it is an quite another to use that game on this forum as some kind of stick to beat IL2 FB with, come along it's a very little stick.

To talk about those sims, and damn good too in there own way, and to compare them with FB, I'm sorry there is no comparison, it's chalk and cheese.

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For old times sake I downloaded the latest BoB patches and installed it on three systems, it failed to run well on any of them and what I did see, well they say you can never go back.



Message Edited on 09/21/0307:55PM by Oboe

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:54 PM
Nice. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 09:13 PM
i hear there's a game called crimson skies with great FM's

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 09:28 PM
DakotaC wrote:
- Been flying this since the Demo of IL-2.
- Recent FM changes are the reason.
-
-
- Bring on Lomac.
- Bye.
-
-

And who dayya think cares about this?????


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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 09:30 PM
Drama queen. Just go without the tears.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 09:38 PM
This game has gone downhill ever since they slowed down the trim.

It's no coincidence.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 09:45 PM
Too new ...

What is FM ?

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 09:47 PM
FM=flight model

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 09:48 PM
DM=damage model

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:04 PM
If you quit, fine, do whatchya gotta do.

My amazement is how many people think your post count is some kinda **** measuring contest in FB. The post count indicates absolutely NOTHING as to your expereince with the sim. Newbies don't know that. Old simmers and grognards do. This board particularly, also, it seems. How many completely off topic threads and trully inane questions get posted here? I don't believe there are ANY stupid questions, but, boy, some are getting there.

Newbies look at your post count and answer in a way that reveals what they think a post count means. Old hands treat your post the same, as it was your tenth or ten thousandth post. Too many post *****s and sig-maniacs.

You gotta leave, do it with class. Don't trash people or things on yer way out, just say goodbye and we'll wish ya luck.

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:08 PM
Extreme_One wrote:
- DakotaC wrote: "Been flying this since the Demo
- of IL-2. Recent FM changes are the reason. Bring on
- Lomac. Bye."
-
- Over 10 posts
-
- prozac70n wrote: "It's tough, to see your
- favorite sim going backwards instead of forwards. I
- have lost faith also. I just play IL2 and the
- unpatched version of FB off line"
-
- Over 10 posts
-
- Such valuable members of this community will be
- sorely missed!
-
- S! Simon.

I know the feeling DakotaC - il2 Sturmovik is still there /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
come on lo-mac ! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif demo.... 4 now/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I think the number of posts here or elsewhere has nothing to do with being a "valued member" SHAME ON YOU!
You in any case are NOT valued by me DacotaC is !


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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:08 PM
I never looked at his post count. I just read what he said.

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09-21-2003, 10:09 PM
Anybody else hear violins?

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:16 PM
Some of these guys talk about going to LOMAC, cos they hate FB so much. I hope perhaps to play BOTH maybe. If the `I quitters` are the sort of moaners I expect they are, what`s gonna stop them battering Lomac and its programmers? Some of these guys live on moaning and WILL batter LOMAC, especially since it`s more up to date.

Oh, and some guys have hit the point when they say, why should we care, if a guy`s going cos for some reason he hates FB. Fine. Why tell us?

Truth is I don`t care either. Just go.




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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:30 PM
no not that they hate FB

they hate the way it is going...

wrong links on main page
DM that changes radical in every update
FM same
- above two only for some planes but none the less - how can that be in a "realistic" (that was said all the time) game ?
-2nd edit- i forgot the sound engine lol /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif still

and then came ubi /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

best servers like TX_OC3, GreaterGreen, games like NapalmDeath etc etc went to hyper BECAUSE THEY CANT HOST ON UBI with a VERY good xDSL double line connection.

Then ya get the ubi community manager changing.... OK - its tough on him tooo

And if ya dont think its true - try landing a FW190 in full real - treat it like a La5xx and you're dead - come from 5000 meters down lol - try to slowwwww hehehe - if you dont know bleeding manouvres you're dead (spin is good /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )



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09-21-2003, 10:42 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:44 PM
Bearcat99 wrote:Quitters never win.......
- Winners never quit.......

Whiners never quit....../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:53 PM
you cant quit. YOUR FIRED .

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:59 PM
DakotaC wrote:
- Been flying this since the Demo of IL-2.
- Recent FM changes are the reason.
-
-
- Bring on Lomac.
- Bye.
-
-
Oh, I'm gonna miss you so much...

(Who was this guy?)

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:06 PM
Zentaurus wrote:

- But really extremely disappointing for me is the
- knowledge that the developpers are deliberately
- making the LW FM worse and the Russians better and
- that they have a completely hostile and arrogant
- attitude towards people arguing with them about it..
-
- Now if you ask me how i can know that...did you read
- the mail of Youss where he states that Oleg and
- Dimas made the decision to change weight and power
- ratios of the 109s to "Balance" the game...
- Of course this is only the tip of the icemountain,
- arguing for three years now about FW...
- Can i really play a game which is so prejudiced ??
- Where the developpers are hiding what they do and
- for what reason and lying about it, quoting some
- obscure engineer mentioning to Oleg that the 109s
- are still too good and saying its all because of
- "Historical truth" ....
-
- Unfortunately there are not many alternatives yet...
- well, i downloaded Warbirds 3 client, i will get BoB
- with the new community development packages and wait
- what the next months will bring... we will see...
- When i asked a question about BoB in the SImHQ
- Forum somebody answered with: Ah, another one fed up
- with Olegs Brick vs. Ufo game...
-
- II/JG54_Zent
-
-


Agreed and take no notice of that clint-ruin 1c propagandist fool

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:09 PM
Clint-ruin will never type a thread against me. My posts are never long enough to be analyzed paragraph by paragraph... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:52 PM
It's funny the way noone complains when I provide paragraphs of help in the tech support and mission builder forum, attempt to assemble a skin compatability list here, or write out a '20 page' help document for newview, twice.

All I did in ORR was ask for track files :>


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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:58 PM
DakotaC wrote:
- Been flying this since the Demo of IL-2.
- Recent FM changes are the reason.
-
-
- Bring on Lomac.
- Bye.
-
-

Bye.



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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:03 AM
at least a reasonable voice in here..not someone like clint_ruin who only wants to put people down. So i answer you,
well, i never tried BoB, i am sure its not as good as FB in many respects, its just a search for alternatives, i am not yanking a stick, i say i hate it how Maddox ruins the game, of course its still possible to play it, but it feels strangely sad nowadays...so i look what else is there. Simple. If i cant find any or nothing good comes on i can still play FB 1.0 or 1.1b on some servers or go back to original Sturmovik. But then, i am in a squad and if i dont want to loose flying with my friends i have to come to terms with that BS 1.11. There is a survey/poll on the official french UBI forum, about how people think about patch 1.11 and about the errors still left in the game. UNtil now the majority says: 1.11 is a step backward from 1.0. I feel the same. You can patch things to death too.

Arcade flight models, you think not ? Well. sophisticated arcade modells, but really LA7, La5, Lagg3 and YAK and I16 fly absolutely not energybleeding in any reasonable dimension...turn in 15 sec and so forth,
but its no use to argue anyway,dont know why i write here, its a habit i suppose...I am simply disappointed very much with the patch and more so Olegs general attitude..

Zent



Oboe wrote:
- Zentaurus, I got a great deal of pleasure from BoB
- when it came out and MiG Alley, and Flying Corps
- before thathttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
-
- But it's one thing to enjoy a game for what it is an
- quite another to use that game on this forum as some
- kind of stick to beat IL2 FB with, come along it's a
- very little stick.
-
- To talk about those sims, and damn good too in there
- own way, and to compare them with FB, I'm sorry
- there is no comparison, it's chalk and cheese.
-
- Arcade flight models, you make me laughhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
-
- For old times sake I downloaded the latest BoB
- patches and installed it on three systems, it failed
- to run well on any of them and what I did see, well
- they say you can never go back.
-
-
-
- Message Edited on 09/21/03‚ 07:55PM by Oboe

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:36 AM
Zentaurus dont worry i know how u feel
I am also very very disapointed /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

But LOCK ON is on the way /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:39 AM
its all irrelevant really ..

people in this forum talk as if they are trying to define the "ultimate" fligth sim that will be in use for 10 more years.

Oleg is already moving onto his "next generation" prop sim - Fb is about to be abandoned to its own devices..

There will be other new prop sims also, some of which may well surpass FB in many features .. possibly (unlikely though it is) we may even see a playable MS one.

Name any sim that is more 3 years old that is competititive with FB ???

Forgotten battles in 12 months time will be as dated as CFS2 is now. All this whining and argument is pointless.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:52 AM
lil_labbit wrote:
-

-
- I think the number of posts here or elsewhere has
- nothing to do with being a "valued member" SHAME ON
- YOU!

Hear Hear.

I wonder how many skinners, template makers, beta testers, map designers, regular server hosts, squadron founders, etc etc etc would be considered "newbies" just because their post count isn't high.


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:53 AM
altstiff wrote:
- Will DakotaC take a turn for the worse and stick to
- his words abolishing IL-2 FB forever?
-
- Will Prozac70 marrie Jimbob and finally take a real
- SRI?
-
- Tune in next week for "As the squad room
- turns".........

Priceless.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:13 AM
Buh-bye now

What part don't you understand?

The Buh?

or

The Bye?

Buh-bye now

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:31 AM
my thoughts are if you cant do it better your self then shut up and put up , every flight sim that comes out there is b####ing about fm , s##t learn to fly thats what they did back then
S!

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:26 AM
clint-ruin wrote:

- All I did in ORR was ask for track files :>

Another LIE by clint. Demanded, insisted, etc. was your phrasing and tone. It wouldn't matter if I had in-flight combat photography from the real thing, you still wouldn't believe it. Since you seemed unaware of the problems listed and since I had seen a long list of your overly verbose and self important rebuttals to others, I already knew it wasn't worth trying to converse with you. I'm not going to spend my time making remedial files for you.

They've got you pretty well pegged around here don't they?

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:33 AM
The OUT DOOR salutes Ya!
Don't let it hit ya where the good lord split ya.
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


In all honesty....... do you have a better alternative than FB?

LOMAC aint coming for awhile.....
Hmmmmm CFSIII.......... hated it!
Oh I know........... Pilotwings on the Nintendo Game Console (TM)

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 07:21 AM
Zentaurus wrote:
- at least a reasonable voice in here..not someone
- like clint_ruin who only wants to put people down.
- So i answer you,
- well, i never tried BoB, i am sure its not as good
- as FB in many respects, its just a search for
- alternatives, i am not yanking a stick, i say i hate
- it how Maddox ruins the game, of course its still
- possible to play it, but it feels strangely sad
- nowadays...so i look what else is there. Simple. If
- i cant find any or nothing good comes on i can still
- play FB 1.0 or 1.1b on some servers or go back to
- original Sturmovik. But then, i am in a squad and if
- i dont want to loose flying with my friends i have
- to come to terms with that BS 1.11. There is a
- survey/poll on the official french UBI forum, about
- how people think about patch 1.11 and about the
- errors still left in the game. UNtil now the
- majority says: 1.11 is a step backward from 1.0. I
- feel the same. You can patch things to death too.
-
- Arcade flight models, you think not ? Well.
- sophisticated arcade modells, but really LA7, La5,
- Lagg3 and YAK and I16 fly absolutely not
- energybleeding in any reasonable dimension...turn in
- 15 sec and so forth,
- but its no use to argue anyway,dont know why i write
- here, its a habit i suppose...I am simply
- disappointed very much with the patch and more so
- Olegs general attitude..
-
- Zent
-
-
-
- Oboe wrote:
-- Zentaurus, I got a great deal of pleasure from BoB
-- when it came out and MiG Alley, and Flying Corps
-- before thathttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
--
-- But it's one thing to enjoy a game for what it is an
-- quite another to use that game on this forum as some
-- kind of stick to beat IL2 FB with, come along it's a
-- very little stick.
--
-- To talk about those sims, and damn good too in there
-- own way, and to compare them with FB, I'm sorry
-- there is no comparison, it's chalk and cheese.
--
-- Arcade flight models, you make me laughhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
--
-- For old times sake I downloaded the latest BoB
-- patches and installed it on three systems, it failed
-- to run well on any of them and what I did see, well
-- they say you can never go back.
--
--
--
-- Message Edited on 09/21/03‚ 07:55PM by Oboe
-
-
-
-~S~ well said.
Don't even waste your breath on these Red-Rookie berks who don't know jack about planes of WW2, and think that there tie-fighters really could go up like an F-15 and turn like a Sopwith Camel. There has been some excellent research done by the true enthusiasts of this game and its been totally ignored.
So to anyone who really thinks this game is not bias

IDIOT
-

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 07:46 AM
Wolfstriked wrote:
- Guys,last night I checked every plane in IL2 for
- correct speeds and they were spot in...

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif wOOt are you on about? Have you tried the P-40? I say the P-40 because I fly only that plane with some dedication and if you start claiming it flies by the specs (and I'm not talking couple mph difference here), mate look in the mirror and slap yourself /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 08:18 AM
Slap myself...ok,the one plane thats not listed at sea level and you call me out on it.Just dont get your knickers in a twist mate I admit I screwed up/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


It is off by a good amount and at all the alt's it has listed.If Maddox wants to at least have all the speeds correct than email Oleg and Im sure theyll fix this one last plane.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 09:28 AM
Hi there RAAF_Edin,

Have you seen this thread (http://oldsite.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=003845)?

Have you spoken to Raven93? I offer no endorsement of his claims, I'm just wondering how two peoples experience with the same plane in the same game could be so different.

He says:

Having seen it with my own eyes, I never would have believed that I could obtain such consistent, accurate data from a flight sim aircraft. The Curtiss P-40E Warhawk in IL-2 Forgotten Battles IS THE REAL DEAL!

For Oleg Maddox and company I can only say that my hat is off to you. Bravo Zulu and Sierra Hotel! Very, very well done!

It's not sarcastic, that I've noticed yet.



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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:40 PM
When I was 3 I was walking along the street with a balloon and an Ice Lolly, this bad man with a cigarette came out of a shop and burst my balloon. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

As it exploded, I dropped my ice lolly in fright.

Since then I swore I'd never play with balloons or eat ice lollies again.

31 years later I realised I was talking BS, I love Ice Lollies and Balloons. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But nowadays Balloons are over modelled. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:53 PM
Oh boo hoo! WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Takeoffs are optional. Landings are mandatory.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 08:41 PM
I and my colleagues (squad) have have 2 years of fun thanks to Oleg and no sim compares.There is nothing out there to compete and we should be grateful.It's not 100% perfect but with present PC limitations it can't get any better.

I think we should honour the developers and encourage all who are doing their best to support and improve the product.I would send a virtual beer all round if it was possible.

You never know what you've got until it's gone.

Just my penny-worth.

MB_Avro

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 09:55 PM
^^ What he said! :-D

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 12:13 AM
Extreme_One wrote:
- DakotaC wrote: "Been flying this since the Demo
- of IL-2. Recent FM changes are the reason. Bring on
- Lomac. Bye."
-
- Over 10 posts
-
- prozac70n wrote: "It's tough, to see your
- favorite sim going backwards instead of forwards. I
- have lost faith also. I just play IL2 and the
- unpatched version of FB off line"
-
- Over 10 posts
-
- Such valuable members of this community will be
- sorely missed!
-
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif good one Extreme

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 01:14 AM
MackZ wrote:
- Is it because FB is too hard and you want to try
- your hand at a jet sim? Other than that, why would
- you post this without making a cognitive argument
- about the FM before you completely abandon
- something?


Its imposible to make a cognitive argument here....

If you have a valid point with documents and all then they say the documents are wrong are from the wrong source or they totaly deny them...

If you just have a fealing about something and dont dig it then you a whiner...

it dosent matter what anyone sayes anyway cuz Oleg and crew do as they please to appease the russian market...

@ one time this was a sim now its Arcade Mode Its a shame!!!


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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 01:17 AM
totaly agree
Zentaurus wrote:
- Thinking about quitting myself, not that the game is
- so bad, even with the blatant errors, the arcade FMs
- and so forth, its still a graphical dream and has
- many wonderfull features
-
- But really extremely disappointing for me is the
- knowledge that the developpers are deliberately
- making the LW FM worse and the Russians better and
- that they have a completely hostile and arrogant
- attitude towards people arguing with them about it..
-
- Now if you ask me how i can know that...did you read
- the mail of Youss where he states that Oleg and
- Dimas made the decision to change weight and power
- ratios of the 109s to "Balance" the game...
- Of course this is only the tip of the icemountain,
- arguing for three years now about FW...
- Can i really play a game which is so prejudiced ??
- Where the developpers are hiding what they do and
- for what reason and lying about it, quoting some
- obscure engineer mentioning to Oleg that the 109s
- are still too good and saying its all because of
- "Historical truth" ....
-
- Unfortunately there are not many alternatives yet...
- well, i downloaded Warbirds 3 client, i will get BoB
- with the new community development packages and wait
- what the next months will bring... we will see...
- When i asked a question about BoB in the SImHQ
- Forum somebody answered with: Ah, another one fed up
- with Olegs Brick vs. Ufo game...
-
- II/JG54_Zent
-
-



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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 01:31 AM
You know what I find so funny....

Is that all of the people that are salivating all over the sim after 1.11 are the yak la lag3 Arcade pilots.

Most of the LW pilots are now totaly fed up with the bias and Arcadish flight modeling.

Sure FB is a fine game but it used to be a sim in il2 dayes

now its a shootum up for the Reds.

I even have proof to back this up but it wont matter as usual.

I hosted a new map I made today, normaly my server fills up in a matter of minutes and stayes full untill I shut it down, wich it started to today but when people relized there were no German AC to fight against they would leave straight away. I left it running for over 5 hours when I came back it was a ghost town.

It was vvs v vvs no German AC at all not even ju87 but would they stay & fight there own kind? Hell no if there wasent any german targets to pop out of the sky then they didnt wana fly there LMAO point made.

LW are flying targets now

Im making a new map called Cold War it will be Russian v USA/Brittish AC well see how well that goes over......

And if none will fly that then Ill be making a German only server & vvs can kiss my gritz...

Get real...

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 03:37 AM
I'm no programer so how do the FM's in IL2 work? I'm going to assume that there is one game engine here at work here and so you take one FM and adjust and tweak till you get the desired results for each aircraft. Is this how it works?

It would seem to me that if this is the case, you would end up with a bunch of compromises and you would not be able to make every aircraft historically accurate in every aspect. Don't get me wrong, I would like it to be that way. I don't think its going to happen for fourty dollars.

I've seen the current alternative WWII flight sim. My retinas are still burning from the awful graphics.

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:03 AM
DakotaC wrote:
- Been flying this since the Demo of IL-2.
- Recent FM changes are the reason.
-
-
- Bring on Lomac.
- Bye.
-

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:13 AM
Zentaurus wrote:
...I am simply disappointed very much with the patch and more so Olegs general attitude..

Well I'm sure you heard the WHINING.......... You still hear about the Russian bias.... The cockpit of the FW...and a myriad other things.


All of them (except the bias) are valid points.... but in MANY MANY aspects they were handled very badly by some posters here. I'd have the same attitude as Oleg too.

Rarely has any topic that had every good intention of being constructive stayed civil and benificial.



I have a business that people pay me for my service. And if I was treated as I've seen in here they would get the same reaction. OR WORSE! And the whiners on this forum only paid on average $40.00 US.


It's hard to please the public.....especially when what you do is NOT understood by the general population. And corrections... or perceived errors... sometimes are not as easy to fix as one would think. Case in point is a thread about the FW 190 cockpit being made transparent. Sounded like a decent compromise to explore... but the effort needed to change it would be a very complex undertaking requiring loads of code to be rewritten.

But for $40.00 I think we have a GREAT sim/game here. Hardly worth the abuse given by some here.

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:19 AM
MB_Avro wrote:
-
- I and my colleagues (squad) have have 2 years of fun
- thanks to Oleg and no sim compares.There is nothing
- out there to compete and we should be grateful.It's
- not 100% perfect but with present PC limitations it
- can't get any better.
-
- I think we should honour the developers and
- encourage all who are doing their best to support
- and improve the product.I would send a virtual beer
- all round if it was possible.
-
- You never know what you've got until it's gone.
-
- Just my penny-worth.
-
- MB_Avro
-
-
Well said ,my graphics card died a painfull death a few days ago and now i have to use my old geforce 2 which does not handle Fb at all ,i realy miss Fb .

I play the unpatched version because of the sound issues and they can do what they want with the fm i will still play cause it's fun .
isn't that what's most important afterall .


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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:22 AM
Makes you wonder if they ever come back to see what happens to their 'goodbye' threads /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Nothing but stuck up losers.

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:33 AM
Yea it's not much fun if they don't come back to whine .

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:51 AM
DakotaC wrote:
- Been flying this since the Demo of IL-2.
- Recent FM changes are the reason.
-
-
- Bring on Lomac.
- Bye.
-

And miss the soap opera forum. Not me. Lol

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:57 AM
It really doesn't matter who quits or runs away from this Game. It's a decent and fun game. Heck I never flown a 190, 109, Yak or other aircraft. Probably the 99% of you other fellas out there as well. All ya can do is "comparison shop" from other sims to gain your own speculations of what an aircraft can or cannot do.
In reality, if the convictions were so promising as told by the developers of this GAME. (true flight charateristics). Why are the flight models constantly changing?
I mean, play IL2 and IL2 FB and tell me the game hasn't been altered? DONT EVEN GIVE THE ADVANCEMENT OF TECHNOLOGY EXCUSES.. which will be obvious answers.
If it were "right" the first time then the folks who question the validity of FM and DM would not be as outspoken as they are now.
I too am frustrated with the bug fixes, fine tune this that. I fly here because its fun and that's the only reason. Decent game but dispite the BS I still meet a community of good people that makes this game tolerable and enjoyable.