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TX-Zen
12-30-2003, 10:46 AM
S~ all,

I'm hoping for a little feedback from the TrackIr owners out there.

I've been playing FB for a long time now and still don't use padlock, newview or any of that, just the plain old hatch switch. Honestly this works just fine, nothing wrong with it at all and I don't feel I am in any way disadvantaged to padlock or track IR users. But I think I am ready for something more, something that will hopefully add a new dimension to the game, and I've heard several people raving about how great Track IR is.

So if you have a minute, I'd appreciate candid thoughts on what is good and what is bad about it, in particular how long does it take to get used to, what kind of teething troubles it has and what kind of daily quirkiness does it exhibit.

It seems like a very interesting device...what do you think?

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TX-Zen
12-30-2003, 10:46 AM
S~ all,

I'm hoping for a little feedback from the TrackIr owners out there.

I've been playing FB for a long time now and still don't use padlock, newview or any of that, just the plain old hatch switch. Honestly this works just fine, nothing wrong with it at all and I don't feel I am in any way disadvantaged to padlock or track IR users. But I think I am ready for something more, something that will hopefully add a new dimension to the game, and I've heard several people raving about how great Track IR is.

So if you have a minute, I'd appreciate candid thoughts on what is good and what is bad about it, in particular how long does it take to get used to, what kind of teething troubles it has and what kind of daily quirkiness does it exhibit.

It seems like a very interesting device...what do you think?

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BaldieJr
12-30-2003, 10:52 AM
1 out of 1,000 will say its bad. This one will change his/her mind if the device is setup properly.

Seriously, get it. There is no one piece of hardware that will bring you as much gaming pleasure as TrackIR.

Expect no more than a few days for acclimation. Expect a day of tuning and adjustment.

Every once in awhile it will act wierd. Just replace your dot or turn off the lamp behind you (or whatever new lightsource is suddenly giving you grief) and all is well again.

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Aardvark892
12-30-2003, 10:58 AM
All of what BaldieJr said and more. And hallelujah for TrackIr Gunners! Imagine being able to move the gun to its limit left or right, and still being able to move your head around and look about! That's something not too many people go into; TrackIr users can also see almost (and in some cases over) 360 degrees in a gunners station. Without cheating! Be prepared, btw, to be called a cheater for using it. God forbid you can look around the cockpit! Sheesh!

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rummyrum
12-30-2003, 11:03 AM
I agree with BJ on this. You say you are not at a disadvantage but you are. You can scissor better track planes better etc...SA goes way up but like baldie says there is a learning curve. This is were many give up. If you stick it out you will be fine. Before I got track ir I used a track ball for my views. I feel this helpled me transition a little easier than if I had gone from the hat to track ir. It is worth it.

TX-Zen
12-30-2003, 11:20 AM
Thanks for the responses, I appreciate the feedback. I think I may have taken my first step into a larger world http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Question:
Does any of this actually have relevance to TrackIR and FB, or is it simply a general tip for the game itself? In other words, do these settings work better when you use TrackIR with FB or does it matter at all?

This is off the TrackIR site and I'm wondering if they mean that their product works better with these settings in FB or something like that.



1. Tips for getting better frame rates in IL2

Here is a few tried and tested tips to get your system running better, particularly if you are new to IL2 and TrackIR2

Keep in mind that IL2:FB is a 1.2 gigabyte game that really needs 512 ram to play at its best, as well as, a good hardware video card.

A. Right click on your desktop and go to properties/settings/advanced - then, click on your video card tab.

1. Turn off antialiasing
2. Turn off anisotropic
3. Set mipmap detail level to: best performance

Next: Go to your IL2 setup program. You can go to the folder where the game is installed or go to: Start/All Programs/Ubi Soft/IL2 setup

Next, at the IL2 setup program, do this:
You should be playing IL2 at OpenGL and full screen. Next, set your video setting to 1152 x 864 16 bit colors.
At the video tab, your video card should be listed or you can click and set it to CUSTOM which will give you more options. So, at the custom screen set:
1. Texture mipmap to bilinear.
2. Texture compression to None.
3. The only boxes you need checked are: Use Dither, use vertex array, Multi-texture and combine.

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TgD Thunderbolt56
12-30-2003, 11:36 AM
Hey TX-Zen. Here's my little trackIR story.

When it became available, I bought it. I was excited and when I got home, I set forth straight away to setting it up. Initially, I was disappointed as it was disorienting, seemed unnatural and wasn't very intuitive in the interface so I set it aside for a couple of months wondering if I would ever really use it or if I would just give it to a squadmate or seel it on EBay.

I dug in and decided to make it work. I searched for profile information and lurked around the naturalpoint forums to see what I could learn. All is well now and I MUST agree that trying to fly without it now seems so unnatural. I too felt I was proficient in the use of my hatswitch and did better than average normally online. TrackIR hasn't really made me a better (or more formiddable) pilot but the immersion is much better and Not needing to use my thumb extensively has made flying easier.

If you haven't decided yet, my advice is to get it. If you need some help setting it up, PM me and I'll help any way I can.

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olaleier
12-30-2003, 11:36 AM
TX-Zen, that adivce seem to be addressed towards FPS only, TrackIR doesn't steal much performance, but everyone needs good frames.

It took me a day or two to get used to the motion and to learn the setup program. It's quite easy. I can recommend the trackhat too, still haven't used a single dot. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Always remember to install your drivers before you plug in the device though, it's possible to fry USB-devices (not sure about this, but might be the case) by plugging them in before installing driver.

Themotorhead
12-30-2003, 11:44 AM
Same here great stuff can't fly with out..

using the hat and it's a great quality.. i'm imprest..

-GOZR

[Gypsy]
12-30-2003, 11:47 AM
Just got TIR2 (with Track Hat)... like getting a new game... love it... all I did was follow the installation instructions, messed around with a few settings over a cpl of days, found the best location for the receiver and sitting position for best performance and I am a happy camper... still learing to use it but it sure adds another "dimension" to an already outstanding sim... the more I use it the more I like it... doesn't make me a better shot, but at least I can see someone on my tail in a turn and burn and makes scissors a lot of fun to watch.. plus I am seeing things in the cockpit of AC that I had no idea were there before...

I use Hunter's suggested settings for my ATI card and haven't changed them with the latest patch...

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Ketalar
12-30-2003, 11:50 AM
Good things:
* Natural movement of the head makes you look in that direction.
* Frees up your mouse hand and/or hatswitch.
* No need for padlock (I couldn't fight without it).
* Works in MS FS2002/2004 too.
* Doesn't slow down FB (at least not that I've noticed).

Bad things:
* When/If you crank up FB without TrackIR you'll try to look around using your head...won't work...
* People might call you a cheater while playing online.
* Takes between 1 hour and 1 week to setup and get used to (took me 2 hours to fiddle with the settings and 1 hour to get used to, no vertigo or anything).
* You won't be able to play without it once your hooked... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

tttiger
12-30-2003, 11:53 AM
It does take a bit of getting used to. And the interface is much, much more complicated than it needs to be. Most of it you'll never use anyway. Don't be put off by the much too complex instruction manual (never thought I'd complain about too much documentation with software, but this is one is like British Engineering: Complicated solutions to simple problems. If I want to know what time it is, I don't need instructions on how to build a watch http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

TIR For Dummies (What I do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif):

In the back, waaaaay in the back where you'd hardly notice it, of the instructions there is a step by step example of how to set up an enhanced TIR for a flight sim. Just follow the steps.

That will get you in business. You can fool around with trying to customize it if you want to. I've not been able to improve on the example they provide.

Expect to be a bit disoriented at first, and expect a stiff neck the first few days you use it because learning to hold you head still isn't easy at first (it becomes intuitive after awhile).

I think it's the best thing that's happened to flight sims since the twiststick. And my hatswitch is now used for a whole bunch of other functions.

Buy it!

Aloha & Happy New Year!

ttt

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[This message was edited by tttiger on Tue December 30 2003 at 11:09 AM.]

Ketalar
12-30-2003, 11:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tttiger:
...

...

...

Expect to be a bit disoriented at first, and expect a stiff neck the first few days you use it because learning to hold you head still isn't easy at first (it becomes inuitive after awhile).

...

Buy it!

Aloha & Happy New Year!

ttt

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just setup a deadzone in the center and you won't have to keep your head still while aiming/firing. And I feel my neck is actually less stiff now that I move my head to look around. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

tttiger
12-30-2003, 12:02 PM
LOL, thanks. The dead zone in the example works fine. The stiff neck was just the first few days because I was so amazed I could keep looking around http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ttt

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BaldieJr
12-30-2003, 12:39 PM
All this TiR talk got me to thinking about a TiR2 upgrade.

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http://www.naturalpoint.com/lomac will save you $30. No free track-hats though.

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TPCMike
12-30-2003, 12:58 PM
I'm about to bite the bullet too.

I've been looking at Track IR for sometime trying to decide whether I would make use of it or not. It looks to be very capable so I thought I might as well give it a go. It's interesting to hear all your comments.

Oh and this is 100% not true:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>it's possible to fry USB-devices (not sure about this, but might be the case) by plugging them in before installing driver.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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TPCMike
12-30-2003, 01:04 PM
Oh and does anyone know a good place to buy one in the UK?

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JZG_Winter
12-30-2003, 01:05 PM
I got mine a few days ago (track IR 1, not 2).

It took a bit of getting used to, but I can't fly without it.

If you can afford it, go grab it.

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TX-Zen
12-30-2003, 02:15 PM
Thanks Thunderbolt for the story and thanks for the offer to help, S!!.

Everyone else that responded, let me send a big thank you also, your input has made up my mind to go ahead and get a system.

This sounds like it will be a lot of fun. I am having more fun with the game now than ever before, flying the Dora is my biggest hobby these days and I can only imagine what it will be like with TrackIR in place. Hopefully the warming up process will be short as some of you have suggested and I'll be able to enjoy it relatively quickly.

Many thanks again to all, I do value your input.

&lt;S!&gt;

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txmx
12-30-2003, 05:00 PM
I can see that you have made the right decision Zen! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I came from the same flying setup as you describe and TrackIR is the best "extra gizmo" i have ever invested in. Can't fly w/out it nowdays.

Take it easy with the Linda Blair view though... really got me a sour neck when i tried it for 1 hour http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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T_O_A_D
12-30-2003, 07:13 PM
TX Just do it, You will never look back after you get it going. Tbolt had some pics of his setup on my thread below ThrackIR fix He should repost them. I have a .ntrk on there aswell of it being used. Enjoy! Been thinking of getting TIR2 but heck old one isn't broke yet.

Oh my story goes like this talked a local vender into stocking them purchase it took it home wasn't satisgied thought Dot was to small and flat went to store solved he problem that evening. It was an apithany for me, happens rarelyhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif But sometime you get lucky.

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Snoop_Baron
12-30-2003, 10:41 PM
Zen, I would definetly get TrackIR. I would not fly a sim that didn't support TrackIR. It's that good.

SpinSpinSugar
12-31-2003, 03:26 AM
TPCMike - You want to look at www.edimensional.co.uk (http://www.edimensional.co.uk) for TrackIR in the UK. Local shipping, I got my (tIR1) from them for about 85 inclusive of VAT and postage. The list price for a tIR2 seems to be 84.95 inc. VAT.

Second the general warm fuzziness about the device for anyone considering buying it, I can't fly without it. Simply the best simulator peripheral since the Joystick.

Got Lock On for Christmas and am having to wait for the first patch before flying with it as TrackIR support is broken in the initial release.

Cheers,

SSS

AIRMIKEY
12-31-2003, 09:52 AM
I bought a copy of FB for my friend for Christmas and was helping him setup yesterday..It is now impossible for me to fly a flight sim without Trackir. It absolutely sucked - lol. After wrestling with it for an hour or so, my pal decided to order a Trackir as well (since he has seen mine in action.) I can only tell you, Trackir is the best thing since the joystick.

Airmikey

ps. As a matter of fact, I have played LOMAC for about two hours since release and have completely shelved it awaiting the patch to fix the Trackir support...Lack of Trackir just kills it for me.

TPCMike
12-31-2003, 09:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpinSpinSugar:
TPCMike - You want to look at http://www.edimensional.co.uk for TrackIR in the UK. Local shipping, I got my (tIR1) from them for about 85 inclusive of VAT and postage. The list price for a tIR2 seems to be 84.95 inc. VAT.SSS<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Leka_
12-31-2003, 10:00 AM
if you really like to fly ..... get it , its just ..... I have trackir2 and I never fly whitout trackir enymore , its ......... dont find the words , its best

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tttiger
12-31-2003, 12:50 PM
What I'd really like to hear are comments from someone who has upgraded from TIR1 to TIR2 (if anyone has). I'd be curious to know how much better it is. The increased frame rate has to be smoother.

ttt

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-- Chuck Yeager describing "The Best Airplane."

Buster_Dee
12-31-2003, 04:20 PM
Got mine when they first came out. Still works fine. Took me a very long time to get used to it, but it turned out I was avoiding on-line play, because I was having trouble getting used to it. I got snagged in an on-line fur ball (free-for-all) and nailed the knack once I had to.

Two hints after you set it up:

1) Every time before you play, fire it up while you are sitting as you would play. Adjust the receiver to center the dot in the "tracking" screen. Hold still, shut off the TrackIR, then restart it. The "motion" screen (available when you use the enhanced/absolute mode, and the place you create custom x-y curves) will show you centered and assure full range of motion. (I nudge the receiver down a little after that to get more upper tracking range, great when you're turning on a bogie and trying to look ahead of him. But that's just my preference)The reason I do this is, tracking will be off when you first start it up. Motion seems to assume your trakcing is centered, and it defaults to center. By centering tracking, then restartig, you assure the motion centers when the tracking is centered.

2) Intentionally look left and right often, as a real pilot would do while scanning the skies. You will find that you return your head to center more easily than if you just try to freeze your head to the center position to start with. Also, practice looking off in the distance. That will help you avoid trying to "push" the view where you want it. When you focus out of the cockpit, it all becomes more natural.

Hope you enjoy it when you get it.

Ketalar
01-01-2004, 11:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Buster_Dee:
...

Two hints after you set it up:

1) Every time before you play, fire it up while you are sitting as you would play. Adjust the receiver to center the dot in the "tracking" screen. Hold still, shut off the TrackIR, then restart it. The "motion" screen (available when you use the enhanced/absolute mode, and the place you create custom x-y curves) will show you centered and assure full range of motion. (I nudge the receiver down a little after that to get more upper tracking range, great when you're turning on a bogie and trying to look ahead of him. But that's just my preference)The reason I do this is, tracking will be off when you first start it up. Motion seems to assume your trakcing is centered, and it defaults to center. By centering tracking, then restartig, you assure the motion centers when the tracking is centered.

2) ...

Hope you enjoy it when you get it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ooor...you could sit any way you want when you start up TrackIR and FB, and then hit F12 to center TrackIR while in the game. I shift around some during long flights and regularly hit F12 to center the view. Of course, during dogfights when I don't move my body I don't have to re-center... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

delta_9_tetra
01-01-2004, 11:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tttiger:
What I'd really like to hear are comments from someone who has upgraded from TIR1 to TIR2 (if anyone has). I'd be curious to know how much better it is. The increased frame rate has to be smoother.

ttt

"I want the one that kills the best with the least amount of risk to me"

-- Chuck Yeager describing "The Best Airplane."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I upgraded from 1 to 2.

Night and day.

Its the frame rate thing. Remeber rbj used to go on about the jerky image while panning with a trackIR? Well the jerking is gone!

As big a difference as that between my-first-twisty-joystick and my X-45+pro pedals.

Now I've got a TrackIR1 'for sale', but I'd feel like I was ripping someone off if I sold it, because TrackIR 2 is soooo much better.

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Copperhead310th
01-01-2004, 01:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aardvark892:
All of what BaldieJr said and more. And hallelujah for TrackIr Gunners! Imagine being able to move the gun to its limit left or right, and still being able to move your head around and look about! That's something not too many people go into; TrackIr users can also see almost (and in some cases over) 360 degrees in a gunners station. Without cheating! Be prepared, btw, to be called a cheater for using it. God forbid you can look around the cockpit! Sheesh!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well i used to think it was cheating. I still do if the they guys running the server have Padlock off & are using Tir. that crreates an unfair advantage.
After Gypsy got his Tir he emailed me a track he did while using it. I was very impressed.
So much so i'm planning on getting one for my self come Tax return time. But i'm going all out & getting the wireless 3d glasses with the tir. If any ones using both the Tir & EDemtional wirless 3d glasses i'd like to know how well that works with FB.
As for using a hat switch....I have 1 but it just dosent work like it should. I basically dont like the hat switch.

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Bearcat99
01-01-2004, 04:34 PM
I had TIR1 and sent it back. The fun factor wasnt worth the expense at the time. For the moment my mouse button on my X 45 does the trick. I am eventually going to get it again though. I may try cam 2 pan first. I would suggest...if you dont have them already get some pedals first. Then later on get the TIR and who knows maybe it will even be a little cheaper. If you already have pedals and a decent HOTAS setup then by all means get TIR2. From what some buds have told me all the things that I didnt like about TIR have been taken care of in TIR2.

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01-01-2004, 05:42 PM
I bought my TR1 and E3D glasses at the same time. The glasses were very cool! but not something that you would use EVERYTIME you got on your machine. I loved them with everything I used them with, though they did not work pertfect with anything I used them with, but to see F4 or IL-2 with them is breathtaking! I almost equate them with FFB joysticks; sure they add immersion, but all else being equal, and your opponent not using the glasses/ffb, you are toast, due to limitations that I was never able to compensate for (offset crosshair, guages etc.).

I was so pissed after going from ATI to Nvidia and not being able to use my glasses that I was seriously considering EBay'ing my 9700Pro, but it's been several months and I still have not done so, nor have I used the glasses. I guess the novelty wore off. I did try some drivers that were supposed to make the ATI card work with the glasses, but my glasses now have dead batteries so I dunno if they work or not.

As for the TrackIR, I just cannot get into it with IL-2/FB. I feel like i need to be strapped in a straight jacket to use it. I guess I just have too much body language when I sim. I don't smoke in the house anymore, but if you do, forget using a TrackIR because it loves the lit cig as much as you do.

I will also say that I don't use padlock either, because I've never tried to leard how to use padlock since it always gets me killed or lawn dart'd. I really do know that I would propably be more deadly if I mastered padlock, and can only guess that I would be even more deadly if I mastered TrackIR.

I guess I'm just too damned old to learn all this new fancy schmancy stuffs.

Copperhead310th
01-01-2004, 07:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slammin_:
I bought my TR1 and E3D glasses at the same time. The glasses were very cool! but not something that you would use EVERYTIME you got on your machine. I loved them with everything I used them with, though they did not work pertfect with anything I used them with, but to see F4 or IL-2 with them is breathtaking! I almost equate them with FFB joysticks; sure they add immersion, but all else being equal, and your opponent not using the glasses/ffb, you are toast, due to limitations that I was never able to compensate for (offset crosshair, guages etc.).

I was so pissed after going from ATI to Nvidia and not being able to use my glasses that I was seriously considering EBay'ing my 9700Pro, but it's been several months and I still have not done so, nor have I used the glasses. I guess the novelty wore off. I did try some drivers that were supposed to make the ATI card work with the glasses, but my glasses now have dead batteries so I dunno if they work or not.

As for the TrackIR, I just cannot get into it with IL-2/FB. I feel like i need to be strapped in a straight jacket to use it. I guess I just have too much body language when I sim. I don't smoke in the house anymore, but if you do, forget using a TrackIR because it loves the lit cig as much as you do.

I will also say that I don't use padlock either, because I've never tried to leard how to use padlock since it always gets me killed or lawn dart'd. I really do know that I would propably be more deadly if I mastered padlock, and can only guess that I would be even more deadly if I mastered TrackIR.

I guess I'm just too damned old to learn all this new fancy schmancy stuffs.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ummmmm slamin if you don't use them any more would you be willing to part with them for a fair price? As for being too old....heheehhehe
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BM357_Raven
01-01-2004, 08:02 PM
I had problems with it and set it aside. I was turned off by it to some extent. I think the correct answer is that it must be set up properly or it is a bad experience.

Now my trackIR is properly set up and I have to say that flying and dogfighting are more fun. I would imagine it took me about 15 hours of flight time to proficient with, but for others it might take less time (I hope).

It 'makes' the game in a way I could not have imagined. There is no substitute for the feeling that trackIR gives you--It's like you are in there...not just sitting in front of a monitor..

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reddevil49
01-01-2004, 08:11 PM
Well all this talk has made me decide to take the plunge into the world of track ir. Have been reading every thing I could find about it by checking forums and such. Well from all that I have read I find that there more positive views then negative so will get mine tomorrow. Was surprized when I discovered that the canadian dealer lives in my home town so won't have to wait. Boy am I lucky. And at least I know where to come for info and help.

T_O_A_D
01-02-2004, 12:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by reddevil49:
Well all this talk has made me decide to take the plunge into the world of track ir. Have been reading every thing I could find about it by checking forums and such. Well from all that I have read I find that there more positive views then negative so will get mine tomorrow. Was surprized when I discovered that the canadian dealer lives in my home town so won't have to wait. Boy am I lucky. And at least I know where to come for info and help.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good Job mate!

You won't be sorry.

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Slammin_
01-02-2004, 05:03 AM
Nah Copper, I do use it for other sims such as FS2004 and LOMAC. I guess things (me) just move too fast with IL-2 and I get all disorientated. I set it up with a pretty large dead zone and also the panning movement seems to be set at a pretty natural pace. I think it is set up about as good as I can expect with IL-2 but I just need to spend some time with it as well as train myself to BE STILL!

With LOMAC demo it is awesome, and the same goes for FS2004.

TX-Zen
01-02-2004, 07:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slammin_:

I don't smoke in the house anymore, but if you do, forget using a TrackIR because it loves the lit cig as much as you do.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh NO! This is a SERIOUS drawback, as the only time I tend to smoke alot is when flying FB.

Egad!

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delta_9_tetra
01-02-2004, 07:59 AM
Mount the TrackIR2 behind you, tracking the bald spot back of your head, and keep right on smoking.

BaldieJr
01-02-2004, 08:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by delta_9_tetra:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tttiger:
What I'd really like to hear are comments from someone who has upgraded from TIR1 to TIR2 (if anyone has). I'd be curious to know how much better it is. The increased frame rate has to be smoother.

ttt

"I want the one that kills the best with the least amount of risk to me"

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I upgraded from 1 to 2.

Night and day.

Its the frame rate thing. Remeber rbj used to go on about the jerky image while panning with a trackIR? Well the jerking is gone!

As big a difference as that between my-first-twisty-joystick and my X-45+pro pedals.

Now I've got a TrackIR1 'for sale', but I'd feel like I was ripping someone off if I sold it, because TrackIR 2 is soooo much better.

Version 1 TrackIR GX number 3959 with original User's Manual and sixty reflective DOTS. One careful owner since July 2002. In perfect working order. LOCAL sale - Rotterdam, NL. email delta_9_tetra hotmail.com

No don't mail me, really, if you want to get a trackIR get a trackIR2!

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Relieving post. I just plunked the money down for ver2, but was worried i'd be disapointed after recieving it.

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JZG_Winter
01-02-2004, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by Slammin_:

"I don't smoke in the house anymore, but if you do, forget using a TrackIR because it loves the lit cig as much as you do."


I always smoke when flying, and have never had this!

Track ir just follows my baseball cap.

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Buster_Dee
01-05-2004, 03:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slammin_:
Nah Copper, I do use it for other sims such as FS2004 and LOMAC. I guess things (me) just move too fast with IL-2 and I get all disorientated. I set it up with a pretty large dead zone and also the panning movement seems to be set at a pretty natural pace. I think it is set up about as good as I can expect with IL-2 but I just need to spend some time with it as well as train myself to BE STILL!

With LOMAC demo it is awesome, and the same goes for FS2004.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Slammin, I NEVER got used to sitting still--after over 6 months trying. Then I did a "furball" with the T4T guys, with my thrittle hosed so I coulldn't map a TrackIR on/off key, and the shear desperation forced me to get better in a day. Also, only looking around ALOT seems to work for me. Then I seem to have just enough "looking ahead" in me when it's time to shoot lol.

Buster_Dee
01-05-2004, 03:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ketalar:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Buster_Dee:
...

Two hints after you set it up:

1) Every time before you play, fire it up while you are sitting as you would play. Adjust the receiver to center the dot in the "tracking" screen. Hold still, shut off the TrackIR, then restart it. The "motion" screen (available when you use the enhanced/absolute mode, and the place you create custom x-y curves) will show you centered and assure full range of motion. (I nudge the receiver down a little after that to get more upper tracking range, great when you're turning on a bogie and trying to look ahead of him. But that's just my preference)The reason I do this is, tracking will be off when you first start it up. Motion seems to assume your trakcing is centered, and it defaults to center. By centering tracking, then restartig, you assure the motion centers when the tracking is centered.

2) ...

Hope you enjoy it when you get it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ooor...you could sit any way you want when you start up TrackIR and FB, and then hit F12 to center TrackIR while in the game. I shift around some during long flights and regularly hit F12 to center the view. Of course, during dogfights when I don't move my body I don't have to re-center... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lol! It dawned on me a couple of days after my long-winded speach--bet I could just use the center key. It's still a good practice to adjust the receiver first, at least for my old TrackIR, so signal return starts out the best. Mine never pickep up that well, so it helped. I use the unorthodox fix now: I've stuffed an IR LED on my head set and turned off the device's IR LED. Too cheap for dots I guess. Thanks for the correction. Would hate to mislead a potential fan.

[Gypsy]
01-05-2004, 04:10 PM
I have already replied to this .. but now after flying with TIR for a few weeks, I can't imagine flying FB without it... As Slammin said, it can get disorienting if you get in a really wicked furball and your head is on ball-bearings, but with a little tweaking on the deadzone and acceleration rate, I have come up with what works for me and doesn't leave me feeling dizzy (well anymore dizzy than usual). Now if I fly out of the cockpit with padlock on and use TIR at the same time, I usually end up as a big olive drab lawn dart.... so for me, it is stay in the cockpit with no padlock when I use TIR... As Copperhead stated, I am of the "older generation" so if I can master TIR anyone can... now if I can just get the other guy to hold still so I can shoot him I would really enjoy seeing him better.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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