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JG53Frankyboy
08-18-2006, 10:45 AM
this cant be serious ??

http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/388104122/m/7811084374

thats far beyond of anything !

two more He162, Me262HG , this Fw thing and now this ?!?!?
Yak15, MiG 9, ok, they flew in service.......

is this a fake ?

if the developers of these stuff have time for that - perhaps you can find one who would modifie the R4M rockets to Panzerblitz 2 for a Fw190F-9 please ! for some serious Tankhunting in your 1946 war !!

JG53Frankyboy
08-18-2006, 10:45 AM
this cant be serious ??

http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/388104122/m/7811084374

thats far beyond of anything !

two more He162, Me262HG , this Fw thing and now this ?!?!?
Yak15, MiG 9, ok, they flew in service.......

is this a fake ?

if the developers of these stuff have time for that - perhaps you can find one who would modifie the R4M rockets to Panzerblitz 2 for a Fw190F-9 please ! for some serious Tankhunting in your 1946 war !!

triad773
08-18-2006, 11:24 AM
Looks to me like its out of a different game altogether: maybe AI only? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Viper2005_
08-18-2006, 11:36 AM
Well, I'll fly anything they give me; and a VTOL fighter would be great fun!

I just hope that they'll actually get around to releasing their interesting addons at some point...

JG53Frankyboy
08-18-2006, 11:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by triad773:
Looks to me like its out of a different game altogether. It'd be goofy looking in the game: maybe AI only? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
confirmed
http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb....c;f=144;t=005680;p=2 (http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=144;t=005680;p=2)

no fake ..................

ITA_5SA_Tecnico
08-18-2006, 01:15 PM
My opinion:

.....BLEEERRRRPPP!!

My move:

.....no Euros!!

SUPERAEREO
08-18-2006, 02:20 PM
What's this, the CASTLE WOLFENSTEIN add-on???


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???


S!

pdog1
08-18-2006, 02:21 PM
ahhaahah! Perfect! I can use this for my Batman Returns movie, it will be the Penguins ride!

Batman 1. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfiE12E80Gs

NAFP_supah
08-18-2006, 03:20 PM
Wait till they show you the screenshots of my F-104G ... THEN you will be crying because it pwnz you soo much http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DuxCorvan
08-18-2006, 04:29 PM
So Dr. Evil is returning from the Moon... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Sintubin
08-18-2006, 04:39 PM
Now i now where Lucas Arts got his idea to make starwars from

leitmotiv
08-18-2006, 04:49 PM
The IL-2 series is ending with absurdity. Started out to be the most accurate combat flight sim made. It is ending as the most out to lunch. Detestable, pitiful, ridiculous. This is a sad curtain call.

Bobsqueek
08-18-2006, 06:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The IL-2 series is ending with absurdity. Started out to be the most accurate combat flight sim made. It is ending as the most out to lunch. Detestable, pitiful, ridiculous. This is a sad curtain call. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://digitalretrograde.com/Photos/manatee26js_small.jpg

Chuck_Older
08-18-2006, 06:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The IL-2 series is ending with absurdity. Started out to be the most accurate combat flight sim made. It is ending as the most out to lunch. Detestable, pitiful, ridiculous. This is a sad curtain call. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't gotta fly the thing, you know http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif This is the '46 add-on after all, were we all expecting strict historical accuracy and the same old planeset for a year in the war that didn't exist?

norman888
08-18-2006, 07:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
...were we all expecting strict historical accuracy and the same old planeset for a year in the war that didn't exist? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What kind of flight data are they gonna use for this? And I sure hope they have cockpit views from all angles http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I have to agree-IL2 is ending like the Hindenburg...POOF! It's beyond absurd. Let me guess-Luthier.

sokil
08-18-2006, 07:38 PM
for the lack of better word this is LAME

NekoReaperman
08-18-2006, 08:02 PM
So we cant have the Ki-44 because one panel doesnt have a high enough quality photo, and we cant have the Fokker DxII because "someone didnt want to do it first"


But we get UFO's?

Hashmark13
08-18-2006, 08:21 PM
Wah.

You get what you pay for.

Don't pay for it if you don't want it.

FritzGryphon
08-18-2006, 09:14 PM
The '46 addon is, by the title itself, a fantasy addon. So long as it is presented as such, I don't see anything wrong with the paper planes in it. It does what it says on the tin.

I'm glad they are keeping with their coverage of the lesser known planes of WWII, even if they were only ideas. No other game has had this one, I don't think.

There is no comparison with the previous products in the IL-2 series. Modeling real theatres and real aircraft demands fidelity.

WTE_Tigger
08-18-2006, 10:12 PM
ohh so now we have historical-accuracy-whinners -lol- Luft 46 add-on what do u expect Doh! That AC was a concept plane on drawing boards, it may never of flown but so what. Get over it, u dont have to fly it. Me I am looking forward to the challenge of landing it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ElAurens
08-19-2006, 01:35 AM
It will be just another unused odd duck.

Why all the angst?

'46 will contain lots of other more useful items so why not let it go at that? And if you cannot relax, just view it as a very easy target when it's in it's landing phase.

Sintubin
08-19-2006, 03:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
It will be just another unused odd duck.

Why all the angst?

'46 will contain lots of other more useful items so why not let it go at that? And if you cannot relax, just view it as a very easy target when it's in it's landing phase. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah but not in flight
Some info:


Heinkel Lerche II (lark II)
length: 9.4 m
span: 4 m
max. speed: 800 km/h

Similar to the Triebflogel, Lerche II was also a VTOL (vertical takeoff and landing) project. With single pilot lying in the nose, it was to be the weapon against allied bombers.

This Heinkel VTOL (Vertical TakeOff and Landing) fighter/interceptor was based on an earlier design, the "Wespe" (Wasp). Engineer Reiniger of the Heinkel company in Vienna started the design work on Febuary 25, 1945 and completed the design on March 8, 1945. The "Lerche" (Skylark) employed a ducted wing planform with contrarotating propellors, powered by two Daimler Benz DB605D engines. The pilot lay in a prone position in the extreme nose, and projected armament was two MK 108 30mm cannon= http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

2Xmk 108 30 MM http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

800KM/H http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

http://www.luft46.com/heinkel/3bhlrche.jpg

http://www.luft46.com/heinkel/flghtpln.jpg
The schematic to the left shows a typical Lerche II takeoff, interception and landing flight plan


Span: 4 m (13' 1.6") Length: 9.4 m (30' 10.4") Max. Speed: 800 km/h (497 mph)

Sintubin
08-19-2006, 03:16 AM
Be glad that they dont make this birdy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

the Me P.1110/II

This was the second Messerschmitt design for a high-altitude single-seat fighter. It differed from the Me P.1110/I mainly in the V-tail unit and the annular air intake behind the cockpit. Like the Me P.1110/I, the Me P.1110/II had 40 degree swept-back wings, an HeS 011 jet engine and was armed with three MK 108 30mm cannon in the nose with a provision for two more in the wing roots.

Span: 8.25 m (27' 1") Length: 10.36 m (34' 0") Max. Speed: 1015 km/h (630 mph)


Max. Speed: 1015 km/h (630 mph) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

armed with three MK 108 30mm cannon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

http://www.luft46.com/mess/3bm1110j.jpg

http://www.luft46.com/mrart/mr111-4.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif design

http://www.luft46.com/mrart/mr111-1.jpg

SUPERAEREO
08-19-2006, 04:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
It will be just another unused odd duck.

Why all the angst?

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well, the resources used in modelling that flying (?) cucumber could have gone in modelling planes like the Fokker D.XXI or the cockpit for the Po-2, IMHO....



S!

Gitano1979
08-19-2006, 05:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SUPERAEREO:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
It will be just another unused odd duck.

Why all the angst?

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well, the resources used in modelling that flying (?) cucumber could have gone in modelling planes like the Fokker D.XXI or the cockpit for the Po-2, IMHO....



S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree!

JG53Frankyboy
08-19-2006, 06:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gitano1979:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SUPERAEREO:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
It will be just another unused odd duck.

Why all the angst?

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well, the resources used in modelling that flying (?) cucumber could have gone in modelling planes like the Fokker D.XXI or the cockpit for the Po-2, IMHO....



S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

to call the Fokker XXI dead is propably to early ............ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

269GA-Veltro
08-19-2006, 06:03 AM
I'm very happy to know we have lost the G-55 fliable (and not only) for this ridicuolus addon.

Congratulations guys.....really a great idea to close with IL2.

Chuck_Older
08-19-2006, 06:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
I'm very happy to know we have lost the G-55 fliable (and not only) for this ridicuolus addon.

Congratulations guys.....really a great idea to close with IL2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh now hold on veltro

That's just not so. There was no choice between either making this add-on, or a flyable G-55, one or the other, and they chose this. Come on, it's not musical chairs, it's not as if they have 12 openings and 13 projects, so they kicked the G-55 out to fit in the '46 add-on. And anyway, it's not "Oleg"

Chuck_Older
08-19-2006, 06:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by norman888:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
...were we all expecting strict historical accuracy and the same old planeset for a year in the war that didn't exist? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What kind of flight data are they gonna use for this? And I sure hope they have cockpit views from all angles http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I have to agree-IL2 is ending like the Hindenburg...POOF! It's beyond absurd. Let me guess-Luthier. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow. OK, I'll just say it:

you know everything. You know this is the last add-on, you know that this one plane will ruin everything for everyone, and you know exactly what will be done to model it. You know when they will stop making add-ons, and you know that this signals the end of Il-2

But you don't even know who is heading up this project you're so emotional about. What the hell do you know, anyway? Nothing but how to get overexcited, that's all. You read a couple things in this thread, you decide you're informed and know what's what, and then you try to take out your dsappointment on me? Why? Because I don't have a negative attitude like you?

How do I know where the data will come from? Where'd the data on ANYthing come from? If you don't like this ugly piece of shht plane <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">don't fly it, superstar</span>! How hard is that to get around? Don't use the fugly thing. The name of the project is not super-accurate-late-war-realism-fighters, it's a 1946 add-on. Did you know V-J day was just the other day? Thw war was over in '46, and you're asking why we get a what-if plane in a what-if addon that takes place in a year that the war wasn't fought in! What were you expecting, a Bleriot SPAD??

What do you think of the Yp-80? How about the "Go" 229? have they ruined everything and made Il2 the Hindenburg? Jesus! The knee jerk reactions that are so common around here baffle me. The sky constantly falls, doesn't it, Chicken Little? Go and tell the king!

JG52Uther
08-19-2006, 07:50 AM
Chuck I thought you were going to change your name?
Theres a huge list of stuff that we miss out on in this (once upon a time) sim.We all have our personal favorites (No Do17,Hs129, etc etc).I doubt this thing would have been successful even in '46.Its a joke plane that someone wanted to make for the '46 add-on,and if we want to continue online,we will buy it.

Chuck_Older
08-19-2006, 08:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Chuck I thought you were going to change your name?
. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Later. What do you think of these names?

"Frankly Abusive"
"Luft'52"
"UFOpi107"
"Jerk007"
"Sir Typesalot"
"Big_Dummy"

I haven't been able to choose one yet

Viper2005_
08-19-2006, 08:23 AM
I vote for #1.

And for the whiners, be thankful they're not building the ultimate Horten fighter:
http://www.luft46.com/horten/3bho13b.jpg
It would have been extremely supersonic, and personally I'd just love to fly it in game against B-29s and YP-80s and all those clever Russian jets...

No601_prangster
08-19-2006, 08:29 AM
I don't see how this thing could fly!

WWII helicopters had barely enough lift to get off the ground and this seems to have much smaller rotor blades. Also how would it remain stable on takeoff and landing?

I hope Oleg adds an accurate flight model; your first takeoff should end in it toppling over and blowing up!

Still I'm looking forward to the rest of the planes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

No601_prangster
08-19-2006, 08:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viper2005_:
I vote for #1.

And for the whiners, be thankful they're not building the ultimate Horten fighter:
http://www.luft46.com/horten/3bho13b.jpg
It would have been extremely supersonic, and personally I'd just love to fly it in game against B-29s and YP-80s and all those clever Russian jets... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes as soon as you light the afterburners for supersonic speeds the tail would be burnt off! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Frankly non of these fantasys would have made it off the drawing board.

Sintubin
08-19-2006, 08:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viper2005_:
I vote for #1.

And for the whiners, be thankful they're not building the ultimate Horten fighter:
http://www.luft46.com/horten/3bho13b.jpg
It would have been extremely supersonic, and personally I'd just love to fly it in game against B-29s and YP-80s and all those clever Russian jets... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://library.thinkquest.org/C006001/projects/lp1.jpg

slappedsilly
08-19-2006, 08:37 AM
IMO, one thing this sim doesn't need is more planes. If they want to sell an add on or two, then change some sounds or some explosions, or some smoke clouds. Anyone not satisfied with the number of flyable planes is never going to be satisfied (how many now, 200?). I haven't got 4.05 simply because I dont need more planes. If SOW is going to be pushed back over and over, give us a GOOD reason to buy any add on.

SUPERAEREO
08-19-2006, 09:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sintubin:


http://library.thinkquest.org/C006001/projects/lp1.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


That's a Lippisch DM 1 and it was an experimental glider, by the way.


S!

leitmotiv
08-19-2006, 09:32 AM
I agree---there is something wrong in the reasoning when the maximum solution B OF BRIT is nowhere on the horizon and we are thrown a fish like CRIMSON SKIES II. That VTOL item is an offense. (1) The US Navy tested a VTOL fighter extensively in the 1950's and found the poor thing was foiled by one insuperable problem---the pilots were physically unable to see behind them to land the beast. It was a practical nightmare. (2) This "thing" we are getting never reached prototype stage (was it even tested in a wind tunnel?). There is absolutely zero data upon which to make a flight model. What we are going to get is another lopsided add-on like PACIFIC FIGHTERS with a surprising number of obvious choices left out (Meteor and Vampire to name two), and a smattering of items vaguely thematically similar to make the package. Of course Oleg is responsible---he is the No. 1 man. IL-2 is ending with a belly laugh.

Brain32
08-19-2006, 09:50 AM
Well I see this general dissatisfaction is ONLY because add-on is not featuring any Western Allies UFO's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Luthier please make some ugly US or RAF UFO's and make 'em as uber as possible, add-on will sell better and they will name a school after you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

On a serious note, I wouldn't mind to see a Vampire but hey, I'm not the one making the thing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ElAurens
08-19-2006, 09:58 AM
Guys, don't forget that there is V4.08 hiding out there. You do know about that one, yes?

The final free patch after the paid add-ons.
It will include many of the so far unreleased early war aircrat and some maps, if I understand SaQSoN's posts in other threads correctly.

And I agree with Chuck. It's not like we won't get the TMB because of these Luftwaffe Fantasy Planes.

Lighten up.

DuxCorvan
08-19-2006, 10:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slappedsilly:
If SOW is going to be pushed back over and over, give us a GOOD reason to buy any add on. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Help financing SOW would be enough for you? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG52Uther
08-19-2006, 11:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
Guys, don't forget that there is V4.08 hiding out there. You do know about that one, yes?

The final free patch after the paid add-ons.
It will include many of the so far unreleased early war aircrat and some maps, if I understand SaQSoN's posts in other threads correctly.

And I agree with Chuck. It's not like we won't get the TMB because of these Luftwaffe Fantasy Planes.

Lighten up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Is that coming out after the BoB med add-on?

heywooood
08-19-2006, 12:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bobsqueek:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The IL-2 series is ending with absurdity. Started out to be the most accurate combat flight sim made. It is ending as the most out to lunch. Detestable, pitiful, ridiculous. This is a sad curtain call. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://digitalretrograde.com/Photos/manatee26js_small.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

sweet- fly it if you want to - or don't

What is the problem? I love the huge manatee

Tater-SW-
08-19-2006, 01:05 PM
The amount of work put into ONE of the flyable fantasy uberweapons would have produced many dozens of dearly needed ground objects. Trees that are actually the height of the forests (so we can mark the edge for low alt flying), a more varied array of merchant shipping (big tankers, an AP, etc). More wharf/pirer objects, a few smaller bridge objects, some unarmed troops standing arouns, perhaps ground crew. Piles of supplies, crated aircraft (a rectangle with a texture). A flat shape of terrain that could be added to coasts to change the shape of the coastline (a single polygon with a standard map texture applied). The trenches are a great addition assuming they make them work.

tater

norman888
08-19-2006, 01:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Wow. OK, I'll just say it:

you know everything. You know this is the last add-on, you know that this one plane will ruin everything for everyone, and you know exactly what will be done to model it. You know when they will stop making add-ons, and you know that this signals the end of Il-2

But you don't even know who is heading up this project you're so <span class="ev_code_RED">emotional about</span>. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you are calling the wrong person "emotional."

You do realize who the base of IL2 customers are don't you. People who complain about the ammo loading of a MG151/20 cannon-NOT Quake-sim junkies. These type of planes will be flown a couple times and thats all. Waste of effort. New players won't be buying this-mostly old vets of the game. And most will be buying this to stay at the correct version for online play.

The sky IS falling with an add-on like this. Online realism just went out the window! I was patiently waiting for SOW but now I can't wait for it to come.

It doesn't take a "rocket scientist" to see that this thing would not be stable-let alone be able to intercept enemy aircraft. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As for the V4.08 patch I'll reserve judgement as to what is in there and when that will be.

Viper2005_
08-19-2006, 01:48 PM
Are you an engineer?

norman888
08-19-2006, 01:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viper2005_:
Are you an engineer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes by the way. But not a rocket scientist http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

leitmotiv
08-19-2006, 01:55 PM
I think the quarrel is regarding whether we are supporting a clever toy or a tough-minded air combat sim, and the former seems to trump the latter over and over lately.

norman888
08-19-2006, 02:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I think the quarrel is regarding whether we are supporting a clever toy or a tough-minded air combat sim, and the former seems to trump the latter over and over lately. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Could not agree more. What this sim started as and how it is ending-that's where the Hindenburg comparisons come from.

I assume this was just an "EASY" direction to go into. No real flight data needed or interior views(every imaginable view http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif).

I'm not here to argue with the fanboys but I am REALLY disappointed at this point.

heywooood
08-19-2006, 02:41 PM
wow - time spent on these 'fantasy planes' is lost forever....wah.

Now you'll never have your precious *insert favorite missing FAP plane here* and just can't enjoy any of it now.

This sim is a joke to you because of this...ruined...its just a game...*sigh*

How sad for you. You must have to wear a raincoat for all the crying that goes on in your world.

Fox_3
08-19-2006, 04:31 PM
As an offliner and mission builder, I'm more than happy to have this VTOL in game.

leitmotiv
08-19-2006, 04:39 PM
The either/or people are right. In business there is only so much money and time. Instead of producing a knockout finale with the beloved aircraft of the hard core aircraft buffs (Fokker DXXI, to name one promised over and over) who support all flight sims of merit, IL-2 goes out with a toy set. This does matter. How time and money are spent tells us more than any interview about future products.

norman888
08-19-2006, 06:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
wow - time spent on these 'fantasy planes' is lost forever....wah.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is more true than you probably realize.

It's not my problem if this add-on crashes and burns. If I wake up tomorrow and never play IL2 again I'll survive. I do want SOW to succeed and future flight sims for that matter ( I can't wait for the MED-if we ever get there). But for Oleg and Co. I think this was a terrible direction to take-kinda CFSish.

The beginning IL2 games were great. Pacific Fighters was a huge hit to it's reputation and now this as a final add-on? I can't believe you guys don't see this http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

leitmotiv
08-19-2006, 06:43 PM
Exactly, norman888. When there is a big audience awaiting BOB, to think time and money are being diverted to something right out of the CFS3 playbook, this is really ridiculous, and absurd from a business point of view. It's like Boeing holding up their "Dreamliner" for six months to make 1950's 707s.

Viper2005_
08-19-2006, 07:12 PM
It has already been explained by luthier* that the addons we're getting were designed for the Russian market, and that in order to appeal to that market they mostly consist of Russian aeroplanes (and targets for said aeroplanes).

The addons are coming to us because of a long campaign in the forums.

After international distribution was secured some features & aeroplanes have been added in order to expand the addons. But fundamentally we're talking about software made by Russians for Russians.

They don't especially want "foreign" aeroplanes, and so they're not getting them, save for those which serve as targets.

That's the market research certain people have been talking about in this thread in action.

The complaints are mostly analogous to complaining that your neighbour, who's favourite colour is red, has been offered a red car by the car company, on the basis that your favourite colour is blue and you therefore consider the design of red cars to be a waste of effort...

*<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Remember also that these were concieved and developed as "Russia-only" add-ons, and only much later did we manage to secure an international release. So they were originally designed with the Russian market in mind. Russian fans are, generally, even less internationally-minded than most of the people out here. They just want to fly for VVS and shoot down those capitalists. There's not much else we could have thought of for the VVS that could be done relatively easily.

Anyway, once we realized other fans will get these add-ons too, we expaned on them greatly. The Il-10 add-on, which originally had nothing but the Il-10, got a whole bunch of Japanese planes. The 46 add-on got a bunch of German planes, and a gazillion ground objects. If we got an international commitment for these from the get-go, we might have done them very differently. But things went the way they went, and the add-ons ended up the way they are.

We are trying our damndest to please everyone in some way. I'm hoping that at this point each add-on has at least some things each fan could use, and of course some things they won't care for. That's natural. Just please, try to focus on the positive. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

FltLt_HardBall
08-19-2006, 08:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
Guys, don't forget that there is V4.08 hiding out there. You do know about that one, yes?

The final free patch after the paid add-ons.
It will include many of the so far unreleased early war aircrat and some maps, if I understand SaQSoN's posts in other threads correctly.

Lighten up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And Ian Boys has commented in the SimHQ forum that 46 will make more sense in light of the next add-on by RRG (4.09?). You guys know about that one, right? The famous "un-named title". The best guess is some kind of China-Taiwan scenario.

I for one look forward to any new flyable, especially something challenging like the Lerche.

However, I do mourn the lack of resources being put into such things as a P-36 cockpit or a proper Solomons map.

Still, IMO the glass is definitely more than half full! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

pdog1
08-19-2006, 10:03 PM
Whats all the crying about? That thing will be easy meat for La-7 lol. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

NonWonderDog
08-19-2006, 11:44 PM
What is WRONG with you people? You get the chance to fly an honest-to-god Lerche Zwei and you choose to spit vitriol at the developers instead? What other sim has a Lerche Zwei? What other sim has a flight model of high enough fidelity to make a Lerche Zwei possible? Are none of you the least bit interested in how these planes might have flown? What might have happened if these concepts had made it to fruition?

I don't care what all of you think, I'm really going to enjoy the VVS '46 addon.

pdog1
08-20-2006, 12:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NonWonderDog:
What is WRONG with you people? You get the chance to fly an honest-to-god Lerche Zwei and you choose to spit vitriol at the developers instead? What other sim has a Lerche Zwei? What other sim has a flight model of high enough fidelity to make a Lerche Zwei possible? Are none of you the least bit interested in how these planes might have flown? What might have happened if these concepts had made it to fruition?

I don't care what all of you think, I'm really going to enjoy the VVS '46 addon. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL
Who said we are going to fly this?
Or do you have secret cockpit photos of this bird? Oh wait, not even one example was built lol so what will they model for cockpit?!
AI only and new ground object to strafe lol.

pdog1
08-20-2006, 12:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pdog1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NonWonderDog:
What is WRONG with you people? You get the chance to fly an honest-to-god Lerche Zwei and you choose to spit vitriol at the developers instead? What other sim has a Lerche Zwei? What other sim has a flight model of high enough fidelity to make a Lerche Zwei possible? Are none of you the least bit interested in how these planes might have flown? What might have happened if these concepts had made it to fruition?

I don't care what all of you think, I'm really going to enjoy the VVS '46 addon. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL
Who said we are going to fly this?
Or do you have secret cockpit photos of this bird? Oh wait, not even one example was built lol so what will they model for cockpit?! Are they gonna invent it? Nice
AI only and new ground object to strafe lol. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

NonWonderDog
08-20-2006, 12:35 AM
There was a video, a while back, of one of Oleg's team members flying a VTOL P-38 that took off, flew, and landed like a Lerche Zwei. I think it may have been a bit more than an April Fool's joke, in light of the recent evidence. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And anyway, Luthier has already responded that the cockpit accuracy standard for what-if planes is quite obviously different than the standard of planes that have actually flown. While there's been no actually confirmation of it being flyable, there's been no confirmation of it being AI-only, either.

pdog1
08-20-2006, 12:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NonWonderDog:
cockpit accuracy standard for what-if planes is quite obviously different than the standard of planes that have actually flown </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol crimson skies

slappedsilly
08-20-2006, 07:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
Originally posted by slappedsilly:
If SOW is going to be pushed back over and over, give us a GOOD reason to buy any add on.



Help financing SOW would be enough for you? Wink </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, not really. I've bought the current sim 4 times. Once for me and I've given it to 3 friends. And I'd never buy any game to be financing another, that doesn't make any sense to me. I'll cheerfully give them the money for BoB when its released. I just think they have to be missing a huge number of off-liners with these add ons.

actionhank1786
08-20-2006, 09:08 AM
I don't get what everyone's crying "foul" over?
Like Chuck said, this project doesn't take away from anything else, and here's why.
For starters, this seperate, out of House Team is doing the '46 add on.
It's not Oleg, he isn't making these things.
He's too busy with BOB.
Also, it's not robbing from any other add ons, i've seen people say the G-55, the Fokker, but those are add ons that were done by other people. And also, none of you know what's to come after the add-on series are finished.
Oleg's got a lot of planes that were sent his way, so before you go crying about how the 46 add on is the nail in this games coffin actually calm down and think about it.
I never play online and i personally can't wait for this add on.
It's got a handful of planes that actually flew, and some "historically light" planes that didn't.
But isn't the point of a sim to do all the flying that you can't do, or could never do.
This is the first time that i know of, that some of these planes will be more than a 3D render, or a story in some "Secret Weapons" story.
So embrace the idea, try and open your mind and go back having fun.
It may be a simulation, but the main goal is still enjoyment.

heywooood
08-20-2006, 09:10 AM
well - I'm an offliner and I am buying everything that goes into FAP so that when all is said and done...I will have it complete. The only offliners that are missing the boat are the ones that never realise these addons are available. The ones that don't visit forums.
And for them it wouldn't matter what the addons included or lacked because they just have no information about them atall... It is lack of exposure and advertising (at least over here) that hurts sales of these paid addons, not their contents.

And as far as financial support for Olegs BoB?..Where the he11 else is he going to get the money to fund it? Car accidents?

You have to buy this stuff or not for your own reasons, but if you are a flight sim afficionado you probably want everything and anything you can get - just to try it out - just for the FUN of it. Especially if it also comes with realistic, or historically accurate side dishes.

It all depends on how you want to look at it I guess. Half full of UFO's or half empty...

JG52Karaya-X
08-20-2006, 09:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by actionhank1786:
I don't get what everyone's crying "foul" over?
Like Chuck said, this project doesn't take away from anything else, and here's why.
For starters, this seperate, out of House Team is doing the '46 add on.
It's not Oleg, he isn't making these things.
He's too busy with BOB.
Also, it's not robbing from any other add ons, i've seen people say the G-55, the Fokker, but those are add ons that were done by other people. And also, none of you know what's to come after the add-on series are finished.
Oleg's got a lot of planes that were sent his way, so before you go crying about how the 46 add on is the nail in this games coffin actually calm down and think about it.
I never play online and i personally can't wait for this add on.
It's got a handful of planes that actually flew, and some "historically light" planes that didn't.
But isn't the point of a sim to do all the flying that you can't do, or could never do.
This is the first time that i know of, that some of these planes will be more than a 3D render, or a story in some "Secret Weapons" story.
So embrace the idea, try and open your mind and go back having fun.
It may be a simulation, but the main goal is still enjoyment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactamundo! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

GUYS, there is another FREE ADDON (4.08) coming after the VVS'46 - including most if not all of the planes and maps people have been waiting for so long (B534, Fokker DXXI, ...). Remember that nobody actually thought we'd ever get the Ju88 or Do335 - well we did in the end, it took quite some time but better late then never so calm down and have fun with what we currently have http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Tater-SW-
08-20-2006, 09:51 AM
One, oleg isn't getting dev money from the add-ons, they are 3d party. Two, while 3d party, they still get version rev numbers, and the free add-on will occur AFTER them, requiring all 3 add-ons to be bought before you can do the free add-on. That effectively makes them non-3d party from a version number standpoint and "required."

That is a primary reason why they should be less kooky, IMO. Another is that the sim just doesn't deal with high altitude very well, and the jets tend to move the fight up high, really not the ideal place for Il-2 engine play. Also, as you get later war, you see much more massive formations of planes, another thing the game engine doesn't do well. Il-2 really shines in small engagements of the type typically seen early in the war, and in the small, "fogotten battles" of ww2.

I'm fine with the odd plane someone has bothered to model on their own being thrown into an add-on as an extra, goofy toy. Us having to buy an entire add-on of extra, goofy toys to get the CW-21, etc (plus any bug fixes---for example having the all the USN fighters back, they have effectively been removed as of now) is annoying.

As far as I can tell, I'll be buying the '46 add-on exclusively to get the new ground objects (and because I have to if I want the free 4.08). At the very least, it'd be nice to see more useful WW2-era ground objects added to '46 for this reason (I'd happily pay for an add-on that was nothing but GOOD maps (any of Ian's or slovakia quality) and useful (somewhat generic for use in all theaters) ground objects, for example).

tater

JG53Frankyboy
08-20-2006, 10:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
............and useful (somewhat generic for use in all theaters) ground objects, for example).

tater </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

some convoys with the new soviet Trucks and german halftrucks would be nice , also tankplattons that have one self propelled AAA already in it.
or more mixed convoys with Tanks, Halftrucks (armoured infantrie) and selfpropelled AAA.

slappedsilly
08-20-2006, 11:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And as far as financial support for Olegs BoB?..Where the he11 else is he going to get the money to fund it? Car accidents? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd think the potential of return on investment would be the normal way to fund any project. If the the return isn't going to materialize then a good business man would simply cancel the project. This is the main reason I'd never buy an add on to support another project. In the business world, bean counters call most of the shots.

Sintubin
08-20-2006, 11:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SUPERAEREO:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sintubin:


http://library.thinkquest.org/C006001/projects/lp1.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


That's a Lippisch DM 1 and it was an experimental glider, by the way.


S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes i did now that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif


Its just they look similar tho

did i mention that it was the same plane no so !!

Here the info

Lippisch LP-13a

length: 6.7m
span: 6 m
max. speed: 1650 km/h

The LP-13a was a project of a very high speed (close to the speed of sound) interceptor in the delta design. Single seat machine with cockpit in the tail fin was completely made out of wood. Only one prototype was finished, that was soon captured by the Americans.


1. LP-13a on an airfield.

heywooood
08-20-2006, 11:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slappedsilly:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And as far as financial support for Olegs BoB?..Where the he11 else is he going to get the money to fund it? Car accidents? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd think the potential of return on investment would be the normal way to fund any project. If the the return isn't going to materialize then a good business man would simply cancel the project. This is the main reason I'd never buy an add on to support another project. In the business world, bean counters call most of the shots. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well, isn't one of the best ways to forcast potential earnings done by looking at track records and past sales performance?....Wouldn't you look at Olegs previous works and that products sales numbers if you were the one investing in BoB?...thought so.

SUPERAEREO
08-20-2006, 01:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sintubin:
The LP-13a was a project of a very high speed (close to the speed of sound) interceptor in the delta design. Single seat machine with cockpit in the tail fin was completely made out of wood. Only one prototype was finished, that was soon captured by the Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



The P.13 never left the drawing board.

What the Americans captured was the unfinished prototype of the DM 1 glider (which had never flown and had only been tested in a wind tunnel).


S!

slappedsilly
08-20-2006, 02:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And as far as financial support for Olegs BoB?..Where the he11 else is he going to get the money to fund it? Car accidents? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
I'd be curious to know how many copies of the last addon were sold.
I couldn't find anything on it, but saw where forgotten battles sold over 600,000 copies so i'd have to guess they don't really need any backing.

Xiolablu3
08-20-2006, 02:18 PM
This will be cool for a campaign in 1946 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

isooAntti
08-20-2006, 04:18 PM
http://digitalretrograde.com/Photos/manatee26js_small.jpg


I want this one flyable, vile ve are at it.....Surrender on this request? NIEMALS!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

actionhank1786
08-21-2006, 01:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by isooAntti:
http://digitalretrograde.com/Photos/manatee26js_small.jpg


I want this one flyable, vile ve are at it.....Surrender on this request? NIEMALS!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That just makes me think of the Jim Gaffigan stand up about Manatees.
God that is a funny man.

Tater-SW-
08-21-2006, 09:15 AM
Again, one complaint people have is that 4.08 (with all the free stuff that has been piling up for a while, plus, more importantly bug fixes like fixing the fact all USN planes have effectively been taken away) is coming AFTER the "3d party" add ons. That means that they are not optional, but required. So 3 add ons must be bought to fix the yawing USN planes.

Another complaint revolves around the fantasy aircraft. It isn't their inclusion that is so annoying, frankly. Somebody decided to work on it on their own, it's their own business what they thought was cool, anyone with a big problem with that should have gotten off their own butt and learned to make a model themselves. That said, what the fantasy planes show that IS annoying, and does pertain to everything else is that they even exist, particularly as flyables. Huh, you say?

There are many planes we don't have because it was said there was not enough information to do them right. Every single plane that was left out for THAT reason is rendered BS when planes that are just made up (cockpit layout and/or FM) are added. The Kate is a prime example. No legal troubles, the only reason given for no Kate was lack of cockpit and FM data as I recall. If they can make it up for 1 plane (or 3 or 4) they could have made it up for planes that were really needed (faked p-36 'pit using p-40 cockpit, etc). By including any planes that don't meet the old standard, they have dropped the bar, it's only as good as the worst cockpit or FM, so no sitting on a donkey and claiming it's high horse.

tater

leitmotiv
08-21-2006, 11:09 AM
Exactly

LEBillfish
08-21-2006, 11:18 AM
Glad for it all.........What an awesome sim! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

norman888
08-21-2006, 02:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Glad for it all.........What an awesome sim! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is this the same person who was part of the thread about over-modelled oil spray across KI-61 windscreens?! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

leitmotiv
08-21-2006, 04:05 PM
As is typical of most matters of this ridiculous species, it depends on whose ox is being gored! Or, more apropos of this forum, upon whose windscreen the oil lands.

marc_hawkins
08-21-2006, 04:17 PM
Must... resist.. Ah, what the hell.

Time again for some people to take a ride on the world famous:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/marc410/wahmbulance.jpg

norman888
08-21-2006, 04:57 PM
No need for the Waaahmbulance!

The days of whining about IL2 are coming to a close. It's been great for the past 5 years but it has finally reached it's end.

Thank goodness we have SOW and beyond to look for. If IL2 was all, I think I would need need some medical attention!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Chuck_Older
08-21-2006, 05:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by norman888:
No need for the Waaahmbulance!

The days of whining about IL2 are coming to a close. It's been great for the past 5 years but it has finally reached it's end.

Thank goodness we have SOW and beyond to look for. If IL2 was all, I think I would need need some medical attention!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's reached it's end when it's over. I know people who go to a baseball game, leave in the 6th inning, and then claim they saw the whole game

When official support ends, then there's a possiblity that there will be unofficial support. BoB will have many gaps in it for some time, and to fill those gaps, people will play....uh...don't tell me... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

There's an excellent racing sim called Grand Prix Legends. It came out in '98. Still going although the folks that made it closed up shop long ago. Operation Flashpoint is still going too

Saying that this sim is dead is like looking at your dog and having it put to sleep today because he's 6 now, and you heard that his breed doesn't make it past 8 years

norman888
08-21-2006, 07:04 PM
Some people still play EAW. Thats all fine but most people have moved on. GPL and OP are still being played because there isn't anything to move UP to.

Even after SOW is released some people will still play IL2-great. But most of us will move on. I'm just saying that by taking the Crimson Skies route at the end you are going to make this migration alot faster and larger than if IL2 had stayed close to it's original roots ie. realism, forgotten but real theaters etc. This will in effect hurt the future of IL2 and all the possible future add-ons.

We won't settle this here and now but I will bring this up a year from now to see where both IL2 and SOW are at http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TheGozr
08-21-2006, 07:16 PM
The day you will test the new sim with all the goodies and more learning challenges and realistic effects and FM etc.. You will drop Il2 very fast for the new one and IL2 will feel to you as a good GAME from the past. Like i said Flying LOCKON made my il2 more like a fun Game than a sim.

It's hard to hear this but it is true.
You will beleive this in time..

NonWonderDog
08-21-2006, 07:42 PM
LockOn isn't really all that accurate. The new SU-25T flight model is pretty damn good, and the add-on adds more realistic Russian avionics (although there's still lots of guesswork by necessity), but the other planes still have simplistic flight models and the F-15 avionics are absolutely horrendously wrong in every area. The A-10 is pretty good, but the flight model is still simple and it carries about half as many different munitions as in real life.

I can't stand LockOn at all after playing Falcon 4.0, and yet I still see IL-2 as a sim. I don't know what it is that IL-2 has that confirms its essential simminess to me, but it has it.

TheGozr
08-21-2006, 07:46 PM
Interesting i felt the same way testing falcon ,

NonWonderDog
08-21-2006, 09:23 PM
Yeah, everything LockOn does right, Falcon does wrong, and vice versa. The Falcon flight models are very limited, even with the new addons. The F-16 FM in Falcon 4.0 AF is still better than the F-15 FM in LockOn, though. I guess it really comes down to which one you fly first: it's just not possible to happily go from Falcon avionics to the F-15 in LockOn (it's barely even HOTAS!), and the Falcon FM feels like rubbish after LockOn's Su-25T. The graphics don't need mentioning. I'd really love a jet sim with good graphics, good flight models, a good campaign, AND realistic avionics, but I haven't seen one yet.

LEBillfish
08-21-2006, 10:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by norman888:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Glad for it all.........What an awesome sim! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is this the same person who was part of the thread about over-modelled oil spray across KI-61 windscreens?! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
As is typical of most matters of this ridiculous species, it depends on whose ox is being gored! Or, more apropos of this forum, upon whose windscreen the oil lands. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

One and the same http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif......What you fail to realize however is that anything past 3.0 being finalized (getting the G4M) everything else has been bonus........That includes things such as the Mosquito, JU88, PE2/3, Tempest, J2M3, on and on really much more then I can recall. In kind, many things including some on the Ki-61 have been fixed or changed......Really a stunning amount of work much of which for no cost to us yet great expense to Maddox Games and their 3rd party developers.

So ANYTHING past 3.0 complete I AM grateful for. Naturally that's easy for me not being a whiney little child stomping my foot demanding I get what I want when I want it as I want it for nothing.......but if that's your thing then more power to you.

Do I want the balance of issues of the Ki-61 fixed? Sure.......Other issues?....You bet!....More stuff?....Absolutly!!

So being that ANYTHING.....Read the word again, "A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G".....Past 3.0 complete is gravey. That was supposed to be the end of it........Look at all we've gotten since and all that is coming.........

That means for all our petty gripes there is hope........As once BoB comes......It's over.

Get it children? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif *Gives her "I can't stand ungrateful whiney males glare of disgust*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Kaytoo/Me1/DSCF0006b.jpg

DuxCorvan
08-22-2006, 02:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Gives her "I can't stand ungrateful whiney males glare of disgust*
(self-pic) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heeee he he he...! Horrendous mistake!!! PhotoShop awaits!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

LEBillfish
08-22-2006, 02:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Gives her "I can't stand ungrateful whiney males glare of disgust*
(self-pic) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heeee he he he...! Horrendous mistake!!! PhotoShop awaits!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then I guess I shouldn't post the full nude ones.....Ah well, I had really wanted to http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

JRJacobs
08-22-2006, 05:12 PM
That was such a TEASE it almost hurt. and from a hedonist too... Damn these kids...


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif hehehe

ElAurens
08-22-2006, 05:32 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

TheGozr
08-22-2006, 08:37 PM
Huumm! i missed again the photo.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I have No luck http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

goshikisen
08-23-2006, 03:13 PM
If '46 has the Arado Blitz Bomber in it... I'll be buying it. They could add the Douglas Dubious and Curtiss Trouser for all I care... I'm sold on the 234. (they probably wouldn't add the Douglas or Curtiss though - trademark issues. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)

ElAurens
08-23-2006, 03:44 PM
I'd still like to see the Shinden, and it actually flew before the surrender.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

daFat1
08-23-2006, 04:43 PM
Nobody forces anyone to use the Lerche! I love original dogfights with real in service planes, I love airracing and I love to freak out once in a while and will fly that Lerche-Thing!http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'll buy that add-on and my dudes will too!

Thanx oleg!

slo_1_2_3
08-24-2006, 11:50 PM
I Look forward to flying around in that plane, it looks cool and would be something completely new to play with, but you guy are getting all bent uta shape for nothing I think, would you rather just have nothing or that plane? And well It doesn't matter cause we'll never see it online, it has a top speed of 800kmh it will go away like the bi 1 ,me 262, and all the other fst "uber" planes that ownso whats the big freakin problem?

Capt._Tenneal
08-25-2006, 08:37 AM
Does anyone know if a patch is tied in with this add-on ?

This is the thing for me with the paid add-ons : yes I can choose not to buy this if I don't consider the what-if scenarios to be part of my IL-2 experience, but if this add-on has an official patch with it ( like the Pe-2 add-on had 4.05 ) ? I'll have no choice but to get this. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

slo_1_2_3
08-25-2006, 08:24 PM
Eh, what can you do...

Feathered_IV
08-25-2006, 10:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
I'd still like to see the Shinden, and it actually flew before the surrender.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

DuxCorvan
08-26-2006, 08:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
I'd still like to see the Shinden, and it actually flew before the surrender.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Believe it or not, while PF was in development, and Luthier was still available, someone asked him about the Shinden in the PF forum... and he said he didn't want 'fantasy' stuff in the sim. That was a long ago, tho. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Here the link for that April 2004 thread:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/156106623

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luthier1 long long ago:
If somebody wants to build this abomination on their own I don't mind inserting it in the game. But I certainly have other priorities myself, there are tons of crucially important planes and especially ships that I'd do before I ever considered these "what ifs". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now browse the 'official' arguments in the GD forum, and search for the 'ten differences'... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

BTW, 'abomination' is a cool word to define Lerche II.

Tater-SW-
08-26-2006, 09:12 AM
LOL. It'd be funny if it wasn't sad.

tater

TROOPER117
08-26-2006, 09:40 AM
Fantasy aircraft?.. Just not interested really. The only reason I'll buy the upgrade is to fly on up to date servers online... if I was a strictly offline flyer, I wouldn't even bother..

Regards.. Dave S.

Fox_3
08-26-2006, 09:47 AM
Every plane in this game is fantasy. After all we are just moving a collection of polygons about on a computer screen. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

RamsteinUSA
08-26-2006, 10:30 AM
Right on! and then the goat herders screwed up and snuck in What If's and left us without the needed aircraft..
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
I'd still like to see the Shinden, and it actually flew before the surrender.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Believe it or not, while PF was in development, and Luthier was still available, someone asked him about the Shinden in the PF forum... and he said he didn't want 'fantasy' stuff in the sim. That was a long ago, tho. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Here the link for that April 2004 thread:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/156106623

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luthier1 long long ago:
If somebody wants to build this abomination on their own I don't mind inserting it in the game. But I certainly have other priorities myself, there are tons of crucially important planes and especially ships that I'd do before I ever considered these "what ifs". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now browse the 'official' arguments in the GD forum, and search for the 'ten differences'... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

BTW, 'abomination' is a cool word to define Lerche II. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

MaxMhz
08-26-2006, 11:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
It will be just another unused odd duck.

Why all the angst?

'46 will contain lots of other more useful items so why not let it go at that? And if you cannot relax, just view it as a very easy target when it's in it's landing phase. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

...Depends; If it carries ze geheime Deutsche Atomwaffe ROFLMAO - I'd keep my distance

joeap
08-26-2006, 11:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RamsteinUSA:
Right on! and then the goat herders screwed up and snuck in What If's and left us without the needed aircraft..
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What the heck it "goat herders" supposed to mean? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

jagdmailer
08-26-2006, 02:31 PM
Whilst I would have much prefer development time going to stuff that is missing or broken, such as Panzer Blitz rockets for Fw 190F-8/F-9, an Fw 190F-9, missing loads for Bf 109F, Fw 190D, an early 1944 BF 109G-6/U2 Field Mod w/MW50, BF 109G-10 w/ DB605ASC, MG151/20 for Bf 109G-10, fixed deployment dates for the BF 109Gs.....Ju 88C-6a....I am OK with this.

I mean, if you do not like it, don't buy it....clear and simple.

Jagd

heywooood
08-26-2006, 02:48 PM
all I aked for was frickin' sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads....c'mon people, throw me a bone here...

zoinks_
08-27-2006, 02:01 AM
nothing to see here...just paving the way for an xbox release.

LEBillfish
08-27-2006, 08:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
all I aked for for frickin' sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads....c'mon people, throw me a bone here... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So what's your problem?.....You got Sea Bass with nasty dispositions....AND we mounted .50 caliber's on their heads so they can flip over tiger tanks.....(though granted there is a slight buoyancy issue due to the weight of gun & ammo).

heywooood
08-27-2006, 12:02 PM
I heard they rectumfied that situation by strapping buttered cats to their backs...no?

LEBillfish
08-27-2006, 12:32 PM
Yes, but it turned out the cats tended to spin in an opposite twist from the barrels reducing accuracy as the cats fought to get out of the water the bass tried to get back in........Then we found out the bass were eating the toast.....In the end, the cats ate the bass that ate the toast that suspended the gun......So naturally we tried the next logical solution, Helium balloons........Oddly though, Sea Bass don't breathe well out of water which was not a problem with the cats as we had thought ahead and fitted them with scuba gear.

Think the problem is we didn't just go with 151/20 Mausers instead? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Willey
08-27-2006, 03:59 PM
You'll be glad to have this... abomination... when they keep vulching you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

At least it's a thing you can get off the ground rather quickly http://www.ubisoft.de/smileys/3.gif

DuxCorvan
08-27-2006, 04:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Willey:
You'll be glad to have this... abomination... when they keep vulching you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

At least it's a thing you can get off the ground rather quickly http://www.ubisoft.de/smileys/3.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We'll see how quickly can you put it back on the ground... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MM-Zorin
08-27-2006, 05:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Willey:
You'll be glad to have this... abomination... when they keep vulching you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

At least it's a thing you can get off the ground rather quickly http://www.ubisoft.de/smileys/3.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We'll see how quickly can you put it back on the ground... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's more important how quickly you can get it back on the ground in one piece http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif