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Goose_Green
01-31-2008, 08:47 AM
This one is aimed at the UK forum members but I'm sure there must be some of this program on You Tube already. Not sure if anyone has seen this program yet, but I thought I would give you my two cents worth.

When I first saw this advertised I really thought this was another hyped up TV program about the grim realities of the war in Afghanistan, and I wasn't going to watch it until I found out it had the British Army's blessing. I have never liked the role of the media in a war zone, I myself at one time had to babysit the media when I was in Iraq and I never really enjoyed that job to be honest. A war zone is for combatants and not some news junkie on a scoop frenzy - to be honest if they get slotted it's fair game, they are, after all in a shooting gallery. I would rather be able to shoot back.

Anyway, enough said. I will say, after watching the first two episodes, that I'm VERY impressed and I think it must be doing wonders for the British Army's image and how it conducts operations. It's about time the public get to see what it's really like and not the agenda driving rubbish on the news. Even though I have never been much of a fan of Ross Kemp, I must say my first impressions are wrong. He seems to be a good person for the job, and with family ties to the regiment he went with actually gives him far more credibility, and he seems to be quite switched on too.

To be honest watching all this is bringing back the memories of my time in the Army, albeit the reserves. It's the environment, equipment and terminology that brings it all back.

If anyone has not seen it yet, it's worth a look, even though the series is part way through, I think it's fairly easy to pick up.

U301
01-31-2008, 09:44 AM
Ross Kemp is a great guy!
I saw his series on street gangs of the world and I was very impressed with his bravery speaking to them on there turf.
Ok, some folks have it hard but I do not think being in a gang is the answer.
I missed the Afghan programme, playing that computer game... but I will hope to catch it on YouTube or similar.
To Ross Kemp Good Luck and Good Hunting!
KUrtz.

andy3536
01-31-2008, 10:41 AM
Really wanted to watch this but due to the argument between Richard Branson and Rupert Murdock sky 1 was removed from virgin media http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Not to waorry though, currently downloading episodes 1&2 from...........a certain place http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Celeon999
01-31-2008, 10:55 AM
It's the environment, equipment and terminology that brings it all back.



Bad food, insufficient sleep, the smell of a hundred men's sweat in every vehicle, someone puts eggs into your boots, being eaten alive by insects, sleeping in a tent WITH INSECTS, ("sleeping" and "tent" are two things that just dont fit together) , shaving with rain water and a mirror as big as a poststamp, pain in your feet, pain your legs, pain in your arms, pain in your back...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Still trying to forget all this... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Goose_Green
01-31-2008, 11:29 AM
Very funny Cel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

It was a scene in Episode 2 when Kemp gets into his pit sleeping along side his vehicle which did it for me. Spent weeks doing the same thing in Iraq, lying in my bivvie bag with my rifle kept close to me while I tried to sleep under the stars knowing that my shell scrape was less than 5 yards away from me! Ohh the memories flood back, as well as the same "Menu E" 24hr ration pack, virtually no sleep, the same boring routine and washing stale sweat and dust of the desert off my face every morning as well as the cold shaves - it was a long time before I had the pleasures of a shower http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

But to be honest, looking back it was the best time I ever had in the TA - would not miss it for the world http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

geoffwessex
01-31-2008, 12:34 PM
Ross Kemp is also a nice guy when scrubbed up and wearing a suit, which he did to my niece's wedding a few years back.

I suppose he's better-informed than most because 'something' must have rubbed off when he was doing that army series a few years back.

As for the media in the UK almost ignoring the British forces' job in Afghanistan (and they're still in Iraq), I'm sure you're right. That's the press for you, though. I tend to think that they all moved a little to the left, politically speaking, after the Iraq war, particularly after the WMD thing had been proved wrong. The people who sent Britain into Iraq and Afghanistan now have the faint aroma of militarism about them and it's 'unfashionable' for the fickle media to be seen to be in any way supporting our troops. That leads to the forces themselves being disillusioned, with many more leaving and not so many joining - and right now we need greater numbers in Afghanistan to hold on to what is being bravely and professionally fought for.

Celeon999
02-02-2008, 08:54 AM
How many episodes are there ?


I've found the first one on liveleak and am watching it right now.

I like the fact that he had to went through at least a part of the basic training and learned to shoot too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Goose_Green
02-02-2008, 09:08 AM
I think it's a five part series, the third part will be aired on Monday evening.

Before watching the first episode I was quite interested as to how much pre-deployment training if any he receieved. Obviously he had to do the very basics. I also think he did okay when doing some shooting, I can remember my basic training and there were a few guys who did very little better than his score!

Celeon999
02-02-2008, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by Goose_Green:
I think it's a five part series, the third part will be aired on Monday evening.

Before watching the first episode I was quite interested as to how much pre-deployment training if any he receieved. Obviously he had to do the very basics. I also think he did okay when doing some shooting, I can remember my basic training and there were a few guys who did very little better than his score!


Definitely ! This was the first time he was shooting a weapon and for that he did it quite good. They were laughing but i bet none of them were much better in the beginning. By a long way enough to defend himself if it should be necessary.

andy3536
02-02-2008, 03:53 PM
He did have to train with the army before his last TV show where he played 'SAS'. Nice Joke as they read the score out over the tanoy, 'SAS my ar**'

Have watched both now and have been very impressed, never thought he would put himself in the thick of it.
I'll certainly be checking Monday night if episode 3 is available

Goose_Green
02-02-2008, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by andy3536:
He did have to train with the army before his last TV show where he played 'SAS'. Nice Joke as they read the score out over the tanoy, 'SAS my ar**'


Yeah, I had to chuckle over that one, I'll bet they took the p**s though "off camera" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Celeon999
02-03-2008, 04:03 AM
Just watched the second episode.

Was interesting to see that the brits also use the swedish Hägglund like we do. I believe you call it Viking right ?

http://www.deutschesheer.de/portal/PA_1_0_P3/PortalFiles/C1256F87004CF5AE/W26TLGDB989INFODE/Haegglund-640x426%5B1%5D.jpg?yw_repository=youatweb

Goose_Green
02-03-2008, 04:11 AM
We have this version too; BV206 (http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/muv/muv_hag.htm)

In fact we have had this vehicle for many years, I first come across these unique vehicles on my tour in Bosnia in 2000/2001

Celeon999
02-03-2008, 04:19 AM
Originally posted by Goose_Green:
We have this version too; BV206 (http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/muv/muv_hag.htm)


Yep, thats the unamoured version. There are several others but we only have the BV206-S which is the amoured version and the predecessor of the BVS10 which your Royal Marines use.

Yours looks similar to ours but is a bit bigger to carry more soldiers.

Goose_Green
02-03-2008, 04:24 AM
I believe the RM have had these for years and use them extensively on their Arctic combat training exercises in Norway. I guess some bright spark thought they could be suitable for all terrains including the harsh and rugged terrain of the desert and mountains of Afghanistan and in Iraq too.

I have a few pictures I took in Bosnia of the 206 being loaded onto railway flatbed carriages, I will have to dig them out and I will post a few pictures!

Celeon999
02-03-2008, 04:42 AM
I guess some bright spark thought they could be suitable for all terrains including the harsh and rugged terrain of the desert and mountains of Afghanistan and in Iraq too.


I also believed that this thing is primarily ment for arctic conditions and looked http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif as i saw it in this episode.

Well, why not ? It has tracks, a NBC protection system which can be used as airconditioning in Afghanistan and is amoured against small arms fire.

Goose_Green
02-03-2008, 04:53 AM
You see that is the prime example of why the British armed forces seem to be successful on operations, and have been in the past, it's their ability to adapt present equipment for use in other areas. Mainly because the budget is always tight and our leaders (country) are always sending somewhere without the fullest of preparation. It's an attitude I found out for myself, we always had and will have to modify something to make it work elsewherehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But I'm sure it's like this in most other Military forces elsewhere in the world.

Liddabit
02-03-2008, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by Goose_Green:
You see that is the prime example of why the British armed forces seem to be successful on operations, and have been in the past, it's their ability to adapt present equipment for use in other areas. Mainly because the budget is always tight and our leaders (country) are always sending somewhere without the fullest of preparation. It's an attitude I found out for myself, we always had and will have to modify something to make it work elsewherehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But I'm sure it's like this in most other Military forces elsewhere in the world.

Yep! my hubby was telling me awhile ago about some guys using bits of the bullet proof glass off destroyed vehicles to create see-through armour around the gunner on a humvee. Eventually the pentagon saw it and said good idea! Now they are making them new like that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Celeon999
02-03-2008, 11:51 AM
I think Goose was refering to making good use of iraqi communication measures ....

Codeword : Operation Chill Out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Goose_Green
02-03-2008, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
I think Goose was refering to making good use of iraqi communication measures ....

Codeword : Operation Chill Out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Ahh, the light has been switched on and I have just realised what Celeon was referring to http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

I wasn't making a direct reference to that of course...but since you have mentioned it, it seems that not all things modified have to have direct military use. Simply call it a "morale boosting modification" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Celeon999
02-03-2008, 12:11 PM
Yes,yes ... the UK MOD is hardly leaking any informations on this highly secret spec ops undertaking. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The files on it will propably stay classified for decades to come but Celeon knows much about it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Celeon999
02-17-2008, 12:49 PM
@ Goose

Just found this pic

Should have known it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif


P.s: Nice bridge huh ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/5397/bild1640ir1.jpg

Goose_Green
03-21-2008, 04:26 AM
It's my turn to dig up a fairly old thread http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As promised I have managed to dig out the BV206 picture I knew I took at the Banja Luka rail yards in Bosnia in 2001. I think I might have a couple more I will keep looking http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n235/Goose_Green/Scan10003.jpg