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galacticnerd
08-23-2005, 10:38 AM
I am fully convinced that the Corsair was the best fighter of WWII. After playing Pacific fighters, I can see why. We always hear about how good the P-51 Mustang is. Well, the P-51 Mustang cant turn. It is just as bad as the p-38 Lightning in a turn, and the Corsair can outclimb it. If they had corsairs in the European theater, the Germans would have been in some real trouble!!! Everytime I see the Corsiar, I just fall in love with those beautiful lines. Am I crazy???

galacticnerd
08-23-2005, 10:38 AM
I am fully convinced that the Corsair was the best fighter of WWII. After playing Pacific fighters, I can see why. We always hear about how good the P-51 Mustang is. Well, the P-51 Mustang cant turn. It is just as bad as the p-38 Lightning in a turn, and the Corsair can outclimb it. If they had corsairs in the European theater, the Germans would have been in some real trouble!!! Everytime I see the Corsiar, I just fall in love with those beautiful lines. Am I crazy???

WOLFMondo
08-23-2005, 10:55 AM
ha...the p38 can turn, it can turn on a dime.

corsairs did feature in the european theater with the raf.

best fighter of ww2...no, one of the best yes.

its too slow at low altitudes and it doesn't have great acceleration, the 190d, p51 mk3 and tempest v put the corsair to shame in this area, its climb is relativly poor compared with an interceptor like a bf109 or spitfire. its turn is poor compared with both of the above too and its fire power isn't a shade on the 190a's or 4 hispano armed tempests or typhoons or even the p47. can carry a heap load of bombs though and hold its own in combat. f4u-4 was better but still not the best. i don't think there is a best because each plane has qualities others lack.

to sum it up, your mad, but not insane. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

joeap
08-23-2005, 02:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:

corsairs did feature in the european theater with the raf.


</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Nope the RN, took part in raids in Norway against Tirpitz and German installations. Not sure if it met German fighters though.

Sure it was one of the best. Aren't they all, even the cr#$ planes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

CapBackassward
08-23-2005, 02:50 PM
It's already been settled. Spitfire is the best ever.

Baits hook. Throws bait in water. Waits patiently.

Rick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
08-23-2005, 03:08 PM
Been here before - and I really like the Corsair....

Eric Brown's list is:-

1. Supermarine Spitfire/Fw190 (too close to call)
3. Grumman Hellcat
4. North American Mustang IV
5. Mitsubishi Zeke
6. Hawker Tempest V
7. Kawashani George 12

Reckon he knows more about it than us.

Enough extra bait for you Captain?

JFC_Rautaristi
08-23-2005, 03:27 PM
Best fighter, doubt it. Best JaBo... absolutely.

Great for ground attack and excellent as a fighter. That, for me, is the best combination you can have.

Overall one of the best fighters in WWII.

jds1978
08-23-2005, 04:04 PM
yup...i'm in love with the corsair as well.

it does just about everything above average, at least. plus it packs mucho whoop a**.

fordfan25
08-23-2005, 04:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by galacticnerd:
I am fully convinced that the Corsair was the best fighter of WWII. After playing Pacific fighters, I can see why. We always hear about how good the P-51 Mustang is. Well, the P-51 Mustang cant turn. It is just as bad as the p-38 Lightning in a turn, and the Corsair can outclimb it. If they had corsairs in the European theater, the Germans would have been in some real trouble!!! Everytime I see the Corsiar, I just fall in love with those beautiful lines. Am I crazy??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i agree wit the statement that the hog was the all around best plane in ww2. if i was a commander thats what i would want. it was relible,tough,fast,could manuver,could dive. the-4 could climb very well,could take opff from land and carriers,great bomber,great escort,good air to air,long range,lots of variaty in what it could carrier bombs rockets anit ship rockets. great up high, good down low, it was a jack of all trades and master of SOME http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. i would not want to go 1 on 1 with a la-7 in any moddle short of a -4 and have to dog fight it. thay were a great fighter/bomber/intersepter/escort plane.

Grey_Mouser67
08-23-2005, 04:23 PM
Great plane...it actually was evaluated for escort duty in Europe when the US was searching for a long range escort fighter but just didn't have the legs.

I suspect that if it had been Eurpeanized, it would have flew with distinction...it was faster than the 109, had good rate of roll, not as good climb...but could out turn a fw handily etc....in otherwords, like most planes, it had combat assets and combat detriments and performance peaked at the same altitudes as 109's and Fw's...would have been a good match up I think....and in real life, those 6 HMG's were plenty for any single engined fighter...make no mistake about that!

WOLFMondo
08-23-2005, 04:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:

corsairs did feature in the european theater with the raf.


</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

my mistake...thats what i meant.
Nope the RN, took part in raids in Norway against Tirpitz and German installations. Not sure if it met German fighters though.

Sure it was one of the best. Aren't they all, even the cr#$ planes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

VW-IceFire
08-23-2005, 05:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:

corsairs did feature in the european theater with the raf.


</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Nope the RN, took part in raids in Norway against Tirpitz and German installations. Not sure if it met German fighters though.

Sure it was one of the best. Aren't they all, even the cr#$ planes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
They did meet German planes on a few occasions and the German planes were generally dispatched. I think in most cases without loss. Althought that really doesn't tell us the whole story.

fordfan25
08-23-2005, 08:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:

corsairs did feature in the european theater with the raf.


</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Nope the RN, took part in raids in Norway against Tirpitz and German installations. Not sure if it met German fighters though.

Sure it was one of the best. Aren't they all, even the cr#$ planes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
They did meet German planes on a few occasions and the German planes were generally dispatched. I think in most cases without loss. Althought that really doesn't tell us the whole story. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

no but im sure some blueboy "histro" will chim in and fill us in on how swamp gas blinded the 109 piolet and how the F4u was a fantasy clown plane lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif j/k histro bro.

SkyChimp
08-23-2005, 08:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
f4u-4 was better but still not the best. i don't think there is a best because each plane has qualities others lack.

to sum it up, your mad, but not insane. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

By the end of the war, on 115/145 grade fuel, the F4U-4 was as fast or faster on the deck than the P-51D, was faster at altitude, climbed better than the Bf-109K-4 and was as fast (actually faster) to boot. It was a very credible ground attack plane. I really think that the F4U-4 was the best all around prop fighter of WWII.

fordfan25
08-23-2005, 09:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyChimp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
f4u-4 was better but still not the best. i don't think there is a best because each plane has qualities others lack.

to sum it up, your mad, but not insane. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

By the end of the war, on 115/145 grade fuel, the F4U-4 was as fast or faster on the deck than the P-51D, was faster at altitude, climbed better than the Bf-109K-4 and was as fast (actually faster) to boot. It was a very credible ground attack plane. I really think that the F4U-4 was the best all around prop fighter of WWII. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


OMG he's alive!!!! were you been chimp.

lrrp22
08-23-2005, 10:38 PM
Brown's actual list is:

1. Spitfire XIV
2. Fw 190D-9
3. Mustang IV

He said that all three were virtually neck and neck, but that this is how he placed them.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
Been here before - and I really like the Corsair....

Eric Brown's list is:-

1. Supermarine Spitfire/Fw190 (too close to call)
3. Grumman Hellcat
4. North American Mustang IV
5. Mitsubishi Zeke
6. Hawker Tempest V
7. Kawashani George 12

Reckon he knows more about it than us.

Enough extra bait for you Captain? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1.JaVA_Hornet
08-24-2005, 01:58 AM
I have just read it that the FW190D was the
best wwII plain.

Low_Flyer_MkII
08-24-2005, 04:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lrrp22:
Brown's actual list is:

1. Spitfire XIV
2. Fw 190D-9
3. Mustang IV

He said that all three were virtually neck and neck, but that this is how he placed them.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
Been here before - and I really like the Corsair....

Eric Brown's list is:-

1. Supermarine Spitfire/Fw190 (too close to call)
3. Grumman Hellcat
4. North American Mustang IV
5. Mitsubishi Zeke
6. Hawker Tempest V
7. Kawashani George 12

Reckon he knows more about it than us.

Enough extra bait for you Captain? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was taking his list from "Duels in the Sky" (Airlife 1989) While the book purports to deal with WWII naval air combat, he includes planes such as the Mustang, Spit, 109 & 190 in passages devoted to which plane would come off best against which other plane. Preceeding the list I posted are the words:-

"Here, then, is the final list of greatest single-seat fighters of World War II:" (page 208 of my copy).

Sorry to appear pedantic.

Philipscdrw
08-24-2005, 04:23 AM
The Hawker Harrier is the best fighter of WW2, be sure.

"There were no Harriers back then!", I hear you say? Wrong. The Harrier first flew in 1934, but was kept even blacker than the F-117. It was flown from submarine aircraft carriers and used to strike bombers at night over the Channel and North Sea shipping-strike missions, including the strike on the Tirpitz (the Corsairs weren't actually used, that was just a cover story).

Following the war, it was decided to bring the Harrier 'out of the Black', as it were, so Hawker went through the charade of designing and manufacturing the P.1127 and Kestrel pre-production varients. Then the Harrier squadrons were unmasked.

neural_dream
08-24-2005, 04:58 AM
sorry m8. i don't get your sense of humour this time.

WOLFMondo
08-24-2005, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyChimp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
f4u-4 was better but still not the best. i don't think there is a best because each plane has qualities others lack.

to sum it up, your mad, but not insane. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

By the end of the war, on 115/145 grade fuel, the F4U-4 was as fast or faster on the deck than the P-51D, was faster at altitude, climbed better than the Bf-109K-4 and was as fast (actually faster) to boot. It was a very credible ground attack plane. I really think that the F4U-4 was the best all around prop fighter of WWII. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The P51D wasn't the fastest on the deck or at altitude though, you could throw in the P47N which is superior up high or the Tempest V or II which are superior down low as fast as sheer speed is concerned or the Spitfire XIV or 109K4 which where both excellent turners as well as BnZ'ers. The XIV could beat it on operation ceiling also at 44,000 ft.

I'm with you on the ground pounding, the Corsair's ability to take ordanance is nothing short of the best ground attack plane going but as a pure fighter it lacks in some areas and excels in others.

I wouldn't complain is I was given one though.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fordfan25
08-24-2005, 10:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyChimp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
f4u-4 was better but still not the best. i don't think there is a best because each plane has qualities others lack.

to sum it up, your mad, but not insane. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

By the end of the war, on 115/145 grade fuel, the F4U-4 was as fast or faster on the deck than the P-51D, was faster at altitude, climbed better than the Bf-109K-4 and was as fast (actually faster) to boot. It was a very credible ground attack plane. I really think that the F4U-4 was the best all around prop fighter of WWII. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The P51D wasn't the fastest on the deck or at altitude though, you could throw in the P47N which is superior up high or the Tempest V or II which are superior down low as fast as sheer speed is concerned or the Spitfire XIV or 109K4 which where both excellent turners as well as BnZ'ers. The XIV could beat it on operation ceiling also at 44,000 ft.

I'm with you on the ground pounding, the Corsair's ability to take ordanance is nothing short of the best ground attack plane going but as a pure fighter it lacks in some areas and excels in others.

I wouldn't complain is I was given one though.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


right. i mean a la-7 could beat it in a "knife" fight down low. had speed and could turn well BUT that was all it could do. it was a one trick pony. had no range. was flimy made compaired to hog and ground pounding was not half what the sair could do. pluse as far as i know, no take off from carrir's. i dont claim that the hog was the best at every thing. i just claim when all things are considerd i feel strongly that it had more going for it than any other fighter. if i was a battle feild commander thats what i would want to be supplied with. what ever job came up you had the tools to do it with the sair. it was like a multi tool. i would like tio see a indepth compair between the f4u-4 and the bearcat.

RAF92_Moser
08-24-2005, 08:25 PM
P-47 WWII Combat Record

Enemy Planes Destroyed: 11,874
Enemy Trains Destroyed: 9000
Enemy Vehicles Destroyed: 160000

POWER PLANT
Pratt & Whitney R2800, Turbo-Supercharged, 18 cylinder air cooled radial engine rate at over 2,000 horsepower.


ARMAMENT
Eight Browning .50 caliber wing mounted machine guns and carried over 2,000 lbs of other ordinance such as bombs, rockets and napalm.

"This multi-role fighter, affectionately know as the JUG, was the largest, heaviest, most destructive, single engine aircraft used during World War II. The P-47 excelled in close ground support and aerial combat."

-All facts and quotes were taken directly from the P-47 Thunderbolts Pilots Association-

jpatrick62
08-25-2005, 01:59 PM
Best of WW2? That we can debate, but the Corsair was indeed a remarkable aircraft. Just to think, the Crorsair could even compete with fixed wing fighters like the FW190, P51 or Spit is amazing when you think it's design was specifically for carrier operation - i.e. 8-9 hundred pounds of weight in extra bracing, tailhook, stronger landing gear, folding wing mechanisms, etc.Try adding this stuff to a P51, Spit, or FW190 or even any of the Russian planes and see what it does to climb, turn, and acceleration. The European war? Think of a fixed wing version of the F4U-4 without all the extra weight and imagine what a terror it would have been. I'm not sure about capt Brown, but I know the US Navy did tests from patuxent naval air station during the war and evaluated the Corsair against the P51 and the FW190 in several test. In these tests, the F4U came out looking very good and easily out-turned the FW190 and P51.

tttiger6BL
08-25-2005, 03:18 PM
Everyone loves "best of" lists (In fact there was a very popular book called "The Book of Lists").

Here is how WWII U.S. fighter pilots rank-ordered American fighters(Results of a survey of fighter pilots attending the Joint Fighter Conference at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland, October 16-20, 1944):

BEST ALL-AROUND COCKPIT:
F6-F5
F4U-4
P-51D
P-47D30

WORST COCKPIT:
P-38L
P-61B
F4U-1D
P-63A
P-47D30
P-51D
FM-2

BEST ENGINE CONTROLS ARRANGEMENT:
P-51D
P-47D-30
P-63A
F4U-4
P-61B
F4U-1
FM-2
P-38L

BEST COCKPIT CANOPY:
P-47D30
P-51D
F4U-1D
F6F-5

MOST COMFORTABLE COCKPIT:
P47D-30
F6F-5
F4U-4
P-61B
P-51D
F4U-1D
FM-2

BEST ALL-AROUND VISIBILITY:
P-51D
P-47D-30
F6F-5
F4U-1D
P-63A

BEST ALL-AROUND ARMOR:
P-47D-30
F4U-1D
F4U-4
F6F-5
P-51D

BEST OVERLOAD TAKEOFF FROM SMALL AREA:
F6F-5
F4U-1D
P-38L
FM-2
F4U-4
P-61B
P-51D

BEST AILERONS AT 350 MPH:
P-51D
F4U-1D
P-38L
F6F-5
P-47D-30
P-61B

BEST AILERONS AT 100 MPH
F6F-5
F4U-1D
P-47D-30
FM-2
P-51D
P-38L
P-61B

BEST ELEVATORS:
F4U-1D
F6F-5
P-51D
P-47D
FM-2
P-38L
P-63A

BEST RUDDER
F6F-5
F4U-1D
P-38L
P-51D
P-47D-30
P-61B
P-63A

BEST ALL-AROUND STABILITY:
F6F-5
P-61B
P-38L
FM-2
P-51D
F4U-1D

BEST CHARACTERISTICS 5 MPH ABOVE STALL:
F6F-5
P-61B
P-38L
FM-2
P-51D
F4U-1D

BEST DIVE STABILITY AND CONTROL:
F6F-5
P-61B
F4U-1D
P-47D
P-38L

BEST INSTRUMENT AND NIGHT FLYING QUALITIES:
F6F-5
P-61B
F4U-1D
P-47D
P-38L

BEST ALL-AROUND FIGHTER ABOVE 25,000 FEET:
P-47D
P-51D
F4U-1D
F6F-5
F4U-4
P-38L

BEST ALL-AROUND FIGHTER BELOW 25,000 FEET:
P-51D
F4U-1D
F6F-5
F4U-4

BEST PRODUCTION CARRIER-BASED FIGHTER:
F4U-1D
F6F-5
FM-2

BEST FIGHTER-BOMBER:
F4U-1D
P-47D-30
F6F-5
P-51D
P-38L

BEST STRAFER:
P-47D
F4U-1D
P-51D
F6F-5
P-38L
P-63A

I'll stick to my Jug, especially if it's about to be increased in power.

Notice there is no "P-38 Late." That plane existed only in Oleg's imagination. The difference in horsepower is only a paper one: the USAAF and Lockheed gave it different horsepower ratings. It was the same airplane.

It probably also should be noted that deliveries of the F4U-4 began the same month as this conference. And Corsairs did not begin flying from carriers until the last week of 1944, after this conference took place.

S!

ttt

huggy87
08-25-2005, 03:35 PM
tttiger,
Haven't seen you around in awhile. Welcome back.

Grey_Mouser67
08-25-2005, 04:28 PM
Even P-38 fans will tell you there was no P-38L late....there was the P-38 that had 1600hp engines...and all you had to do was push the throttle a little more forward and you got 1720 hp...so do away with the P-38L and rename the P-38L late the "P-38L" and bump it to its proper performance, fix the elevator authority...and most certainly bring the J to its proper climb rates and elevator authority and all will be well.

Back to the topic...to the list above...look at how well the Hellcat did in all those categories...not sure how many planes there were to chose from...but the Hellcat has more #1 catagories than the Corsair or any others...maybe it should be Olegs new best!

fordfan25
08-25-2005, 04:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Grey_Mouser67:
Even P-38 fans will tell you there was no P-38L late....there was the P-38 that had 1600hp engines...and all you had to do was push the throttle a little more forward and you got 1720 hp...so do away with the P-38L and rename the P-38L late the "P-38L" and bump it to its proper performance, fix the elevator authority...and most certainly bring the J to its proper climb rates and elevator authority and all will be well.

Back to the topic...to the list above...look at how well the Hellcat did in all those categories...not sure how many planes there were to chose from...but the Hellcat has more #1 catagories than the Corsair or any others...maybe it should be Olegs new best! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


but then youd remove all that holds hristo togather. what do you think it would do to the moral and self delusions of the blue team if all of a sudden things became something even remotly in line with real life . add to that the fact that youd be takeing away there abilty to call it a fantasy plane because it has the name "LATE" in its tittle. come on whats wrong with you man,have you no heart http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

John_Wayne_
08-25-2005, 04:50 PM
Hey fordfan! You mean the 109G6-late is a fantasy plane? Thanks for the ammo.

Back on topic, just making the list is achievement enough.

tttiger6BL
08-25-2005, 05:16 PM
Hiya Huggy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I was seduced away by Falcon 4.0 Allied Force. They finally got that Sim fixed so it doesn't crash to the desktop.

The campaigns are the best ever and, talk about complex engine management, the manual is 718 pages long and I still learn even more stuff on the forums.

But IL2/FB/AEP/PF is still THE WWII sim and I'm still flying a few DCG campaigns. All in American planes, of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Frankly, if PF hadn't been so lame, I'd still be here all the time. The PTO is my favorite theater and the one I know best. But it's only half there and the islands we do have are pretty sorry compared to maps in other theaters.

If you like jets, give F4 AF a try. It's not as pretty as LOMAC and there's only one plane (the F-16) but in terms of depth it makes LOMAC look like kindergarten http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

One note on my list above, neither the P-47N or M (the fastest prop fighter of the war) was among the choices in the survey. Now that Oleg has promised the next patch will boost the Jug so it will have "near P-47M" performance, I may spend more time in here.

I luv the Jug http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

ttt

fordfan25
08-25-2005, 05:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by John_Wayne_:
Hey fordfan! You mean the 109G6-late is a fantasy plane? Thanks for the ammo.

Back on topic, just making the list is achievement enough. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


yea i had noticed that right away when i started hearing all this BS about the 38 being fantasy and "lame" blah blah blah. lol but like my mommy tells me. if u stoop 2 there lv your no better than thay are. and shes talking dirctly about blue team. she hates those whineOnines LMAO j/k

johann63
08-25-2005, 08:59 PM
I thinks its amazing you guys still debate this kind of stuff, not nocking, just admiring aviation buffs.

These debates have been around since IL2, well really since WWII, wont end I guess either.

I also think the F4U is about the best, but not quite, I think that goes to the

Goodyear F2G-1 Super Corsair

http://www.daisey-designs.com/nx13688/corsair/f2g14.jpg
http://www.daisey-designs.com/nx13688/corsair/f2g5.jpg

Kocur_
08-25-2005, 11:22 PM
Goodyear F2G-1 Super Corsair...
Mmmhhhmmmmmmm http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

neil_1821
08-26-2005, 07:35 AM
To be honest the spit and Fw190 were closely matched but i don't think there can be a best fighter of WW2 as each individual one is designed for a completley different task. Take the Mustang and corsair as you were comparing, the mustang was designed for range and is an escort fighter to protect whereas the corsair is more on the offensive roll being able to carry bombs and rockets, hence the nick name whistling death cause it dived on targets to let its payload off.

You just can't argue two different planes in two different roles, no matter how hard you want to

ok! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Kocur_
08-26-2005, 07:52 AM
Well originally Corsair was to be simply a fighter, interceptor mostly, even to bomb flying lower bomber formations with 20 2,3kg bomblets in wing bomb bays (were requested in original US Navy request from febr. 1938). On the other hand Mustang was originally designed to fulfill low flying universal fighter/recon/attack plane role for RAF's Army Co-operation Command and strong points on the wing for future bomb racks were ever since beginning of designing process. I both cases later events changed Mustang and Corsairs roles dramatically. Still Corsairs intercepted kamikazes too and Mustans peformed ground strikes too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Grey_Wulf_6
08-26-2005, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by galacticnerd:
I am fully convinced that the Corsair was the best fighter of WWII. After playing Pacific fighters, I can see why. We always hear about how good the P-51 Mustang is. Well, the P-51 Mustang cant turn. It is just as bad as the p-38 Lightning in a turn, and the Corsair can outclimb it. If they had corsairs in the European theater, the Germans would have been in some real trouble!!! Everytime I see the Corsiar, I just fall in love with those beautiful lines. Am I crazy??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The best fighter is which u have with working engine and guns...with a working machine pilot is the gun...(have look FAF at WWII) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

fordfan25
08-26-2005, 08:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Grey_Wulf_6:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by galacticnerd:
I am fully convinced that the Corsair was the best fighter of WWII. After playing Pacific fighters, I can see why. We always hear about how good the P-51 Mustang is. Well, the P-51 Mustang cant turn. It is just as bad as the p-38 Lightning in a turn, and the Corsair can outclimb it. If they had corsairs in the European theater, the Germans would have been in some real trouble!!! Everytime I see the Corsiar, I just fall in love with those beautiful lines. Am I crazy??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The best fighter is which u have with working engine and guns...with a working machine pilot is the gun...(have look FAF at WWII) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


WHAT?????? you mean we could have stuck with p-11's and not have had to build all thses jet fighters like the f-14. man why didnt thay just liten to you. its the man no the plane. OMG why we coulda saved a fortune if you were in charge. just gave or piolets hanggliders and a BB gun. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif just fun'n with you . but seriosly people who say its the man not the machien are IMHO just as ignorent as those who think its all about the plane. haveing a good gun is just as importent as haveing a good man to use that gun.....that was not ment to sound as gay as it did. iv been watching to much Will&Grace before smallvill http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif . you take a grat piolet and put him in a f-4 and a avg piolet in a F-22 ill put my mony on that f-22 every time. thats why army's arnt useing black powder guns anymore. ill take a f4u-4 over a p-40 any time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fordfan25
08-26-2005, 08:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neil_1821:
To be honest the spit and Fw190 were closely matched but i don't think there can be a best fighter of WW2 as each individual one is designed for a completley different task. Take the Mustang and corsair as you were comparing, the mustang was designed for range and is an escort fighter to protect whereas the corsair is more on the offensive roll being able to carry bombs and rockets, hence the nick name whistling death cause it dived on targets to let its payload off.

You just can't argue two different planes in two different roles, no matter how hard you want to

ok! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


thing im getting at is the f4u was great in both rolles. according to FB object viewer the stang had a range of 1613km while the hog had a range of 1518. the f4u could be not just used but used well in so many rolles.

WOLFMondo
08-26-2005, 09:51 AM
Thats quite a range but whats the hogs cruising speed? The P47 has a massive range but at a very low cruise speed.

fordfan25
08-26-2005, 10:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Thats quite a range but whats the hogs cruising speed? The P47 has a massive range but at a very low cruise speed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


i honstly have no idea. i would think the -4 would have had plenty of speed even cruising. but seeing as im posting in the UBI forum ill be like so many others and declare it a fact that the f4u had a cruiseing speed greater than that of the stang dispite offical data that may controdect that fact. and if need be i shall post pictures of clowns to back up my claims. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Platypus_1.JaVA
08-26-2005, 12:55 PM
The last time I tried in the QMB, the F-4U was eaten alive by the FW-190 A(8 I think) So, what would I pick in an online dogfight? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

EmKen
08-26-2005, 06:23 PM
[It probably also should be noted that deliveries of the F4U-4 began the same month as this conference. And Corsairs did not begin flying from carriers until the last week of 1944, after this conference took place.

S!

ttt[/QUOTE]

The USN didn't fly Corsairs off carriers until late 1944, considering their handling characteristics "difficult". The Fleet Air Arm (taking 0.5m off the wingspan to fit small British carriers) managed to do it months before, considering it a lot easier to get in the air than the existing Navy's Fleet Air Defence fighter, the Seafire.

Emken

Slickun
08-26-2005, 09:21 PM
With due respect to everyone's opinions:

A few months ago we had a rather rollicking discussion about the -4 and the Mustang. It can be shown, in my opinion, that the P-51D @67" hg was a match for the F4U-4 in the air to air role. No contest at ground attack. The Pony was good, the -4, well, all Corsairs, were better.

Comparing the -4 to a P-51, any model with a Merlin, running at boost levels above 18/67" hg map, is a different argument.

As I'm beginning, more and more, to realize, comparing ANY plane to a P-51D at 67" map is taking the least capable version as a baseline. There were hundreds, thousands, of P-51's, B/C/D/MkIII/MkIV, that operated at 72-81" hg. It appears that PTO P-51D's were capable of operating at 3000 rpm/80" MAP. That is over 2000 hp at 4000 feet.

A different argument than 67" P-51D's. I think it only "fair" to include that version in the argument.

What is clear to me is that the P-51 was faster at some altitudes, could climb better at some altitudes. The -4 was faster at more altitudes, generally, and climbed better than the D @67", about even with the B/C @ 67". Start adding map and it all changes.

We argue about the turning, mostly because we disagree about the effects of the "spoiler strip". Roll rates, well, both were great at high speeds.

The P-51 out-accelerated the Corsair, had a better dive top end. We can argue about dive acceleration, I guess.

I think the P-47N outzoomed the -4, and the P-51 outzoomed the P-47N. This according to my Dad.

Firepower was even, except for any cannon armed -4. The -4 carried more ammo as well.

The P-51 could haul a great amount of ordinance, the Corsair could haul more.

I think the P-51D had slightly longer legs, but it is so close as to probably not really matter.

The bubble canopy on the P-51 was superior.

Again, the -4 was operated off of a carrier as well. If I had to pick ONE PLANE to fight the war with, all theatres and roles, Navy and Army, I go with the Corsair.

If I had to pick ONE PLANE to shoot down other planes with, near and far, offensive and defensive, I go with the Mustang, specifically a P-51D at 80/81 map.

BSS_CUDA
08-26-2005, 09:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by galacticnerd:
I am fully convinced that the Corsair was the best fighter of WWII. After playing Pacific fighters, I can see why. We always hear about how good the P-51 Mustang is. Well, the P-51 Mustang cant turn. It is just as bad as the p-38 Lightning in a turn, and the Corsair can outclimb it. If they had corsairs in the European theater, the Germans would have been in some real trouble!!! Everytime I see the Corsiar, I just fall in love with those beautiful lines. Am I crazy??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

uhm you know not that of which you speak

the Corsair was a good plane in RL without a doubt. but first off the 38 will turn inside the F4U with ease its not even close, ever heard of the cloverleaf?, it will also outclimb it with ease all except the F4U4( which we do not have in game ) it wont heat as easy as the F4U will she'll fly all day at 99% and not heat, it has better firepower than the F4U ( cept the C ) and it will out dive it, the F4U starts breaking up around 470 MPH, I've had the 38 up to 500 MPH and not lost anything. both were excellent Jabo planes, but the 38 had a FAR greater range, there was a reason that most all the top aces in the Pacific flew 38's

fordfan25
08-26-2005, 09:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
The last time I tried in the QMB, the F-4U was eaten alive by the FW-190 A(8 I think) So, what would I pick in an online dogfight? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

im not in any way calling you a lier so dont think thats what im get at hear. but my exp in QMB i have yet to loose to any 2 FW's when in a sair as far as i can remember. even with this flimsy a$$ f4u-"1c" we have now i will enter a DOGFIGHT aginst a FW online with a high degree of confadense as long as we start out in anything simuler to even E and alt. not saying id win every time but i feel strongly that the hog has a better chance in a "knife fight" than the FW just as i would feel if going aginst a F4U in a yak3. i like the FW. in fact its probly my fav non US fighter. but IMO there are two things that make it truly as deadly online as it is right now. #1 is those cannons "wich the flimsy DM of some aircraft contribute to the cannons effectivness im sure". thay can kill or criple even in the hands of a tottal n00b very fast. it only takes 1 or 2 lucky hits with the 108 or 103 cannons. #2 being its abilty to B&Z with the confadense of knowing that if you do some how miss your target and he comes after you the FW will be able to take hits long enough to use your E to extende or make it to help. those are the two things i use the FW for. it gives damge fast and completly with cannons that are UNBELEAVBLY accuret. and its UNBELEAVBLE abilty to take hits from 6: and still scoot along http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. in fact im starting to think the vibration of my 6X.50s are couseing my plane more harm than thay are when hiting a FW LOL

fordfan25
08-26-2005, 09:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by galacticnerd:
I am fully convinced that the Corsair was the best fighter of WWII. After playing Pacific fighters, I can see why. We always hear about how good the P-51 Mustang is. Well, the P-51 Mustang cant turn. It is just as bad as the p-38 Lightning in a turn, and the Corsair can outclimb it. If they had corsairs in the European theater, the Germans would have been in some real trouble!!! Everytime I see the Corsiar, I just fall in love with those beautiful lines. Am I crazy??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

uhm you know not that of which you speak

the Corsair was a good plane in RL without a doubt. but first off the 38 will turn inside the F4U with ease its not even close, ever heard of the cloverleaf?, it will also outclimb it with ease all except the F4U4( which we do not have in game ) it wont heat as easy as the F4U will she'll fly all day at 99% and not heat, it has better firepower than the F4U ( cept the C ) and it will out dive it, the F4U starts breaking up around 470 MPH, I've had the 38 up to 500 MPH and not lost anything. both were excellent Jabo planes, but the 38 had a FAR greater range, there was a reason that most all the top aces in the Pacific flew 38's </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


first i love the 38. it is in my opinion the coolst fighter of WW2 but i disagree with you. and im talking about real life fighters not the ones that are programend in the USSR by a russian who dev's for a ....french company"no disrespect intended" the sair was cheaper to build. could take off from carriers" and that alone wins it IMO seeing as the performnce is close" and im talking f4u-4 wich had the speed. could dive just as well. didnt have to worry about compression the way the 38 did wich would make B&Z easyer. it was as i understand it a bit easyer to get the most out of seeing as it was more "normal". it was more rugged. now the two engiens of the 38 was great to have if ones is taken out but the way i look at it flying on one engien you more than likely not going to last long if your in a fight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif but still usefull.

the 38 was great but you f4u IMHO was a more versitile aircraft. the abilty to oparate from carrier's make up for more than any advantege the 38 had over even the f4u-1. with it being attached to and able to operate from a mobile base you could have a better chance of getting the planes were you needed them when you needed them there rather than haveing to transport them to a land base "if one could be used" so in fact in a way the corsair had a FAR greater range than the 38 in that it could travel from pearl to japan with out refuiling...or even starting its engien. ofcourse a top speed of 33knotts sucked http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BanaBob
08-27-2005, 03:23 AM
LOL, You are all wrong, the F14 Tomcat was, I saw it in "The Final Countdown". They cleaned house! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TROOPER117
08-27-2005, 09:19 AM
Spitfire...Don't argue, Don't resist it...you all know it makes perfect sense! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

fordfan25
08-27-2005, 12:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BanaBob:
LOL, You are all wrong, the F14 Tomcat was, I saw it in "The Final Countdown". They cleaned house! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

right on. f-14 vs me262 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Aaron_GT
08-27-2005, 02:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">and im talking about real life fighters not the ones that are programend in the USSR by a russian who dev's for a </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, grow up please... It's a simulation, things aren't perfect, but claims of bias are unwarranted.

fordfan25
08-28-2005, 08:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">and im talking about real life fighters not the ones that are programend in the USSR by a russian who dev's for a </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, grow up please... It's a simulation, things aren't perfect, but claims of bias are unwarranted. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i am grown up and i wasnt claiming any thing just stateing a fact. oleg is russian he does devlope games and those games are published by a french publisher. and i know things arent perfect wich was my point. thus my statment of "real life fighters " so maby you should grow up and stop trying to start fights for no resone.

shinden1974
08-28-2005, 10:31 PM
The Corsair along with the george and p-47 are my favorite planes because they are UGLY! Or I should say certain people thought they were ugly, I think they are the most beautiful planes of WWII.

The stang and spit are the princess you met at the ball or buddy's wedding, sleek...perfect lines and well behaved...how pretty, and...nice.

The corsair, p-47 and George wear a leather jacket and you met them at the local dive...they beat you over the head with a club and drag you back to their house in a harley...like my wife practically did.

I prefer the latter.

Texas LongHorn
08-29-2005, 01:04 PM
My good old Uncle Syd flew the 47, and had a great joke about the beast. It was not only tough, but big, Syd said if you were getting shot at you could just start running around inside the plane to avoid the gunfire! Syd also flew at Pax river after the war and considered the 190D-9 as EASILY the best fighter of the war. LongHorn