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Gibbage1
12-28-2006, 12:08 AM
OK. I tried to go though the proper channels, and it did not work. I guess in order to get something fixed, you need to make a big stink of it, or its just not getting done or something.

Recently me and Faustnic found a huge DM bug! In the fact that NOTHING SEEMS TO HAVE A FUEL TANK!!! Or at least one that can be lit on fire!!!!!

I have tried with many guns (M2, UBS, and even Hispano's) to light the fuel tanks of many aircraft, and they simply wont light or leak!!! Here is fuel for thought.

A Betty bomber has a wet wing. The entire wing is a fuel tank. In old builds, they would light easy. Not as easy as historical accounts. But at least the wings would light. Take a look at this screenshot.


http://www.gibbageart.com/files/grab0000.jpg

There are no fuel tanks in the wings any more! This goes for almost all aircraft I have tested so far! I have tested Zero's, Ki-21, Ki-27 and even B-17's. I can get the engine to light up, but not the fuel tanks. You can also notice a lack of a fuel stream (white vaper trail) in the screenshot.

This is just un-acceptable that #1, it got though beta testing. #2, it was reported two weeks ago through private channels and it was not addressed AT ALL in the latest patch.

Why had this me so concerned? US pilots and any aircraft NOT useing explosive ammo almost DEPEND on a fuel fire! Its the biggest target for MG armed aircraft, and without it, it makes aircraft a LOT harder to shoot down. Take a look at how many .50 cal rounds are in the wing of that Betty bomber! Its famous for its flamability, yet its taking hundreds of rounds into its fuel tank! A few 20MM's would pop the wing right off, but without that fuel tank, US pilots must expend extra time and ammo to bring it down.

This bug is a huge disadvantage for US aircraft. I have not had the time to test all aircraft and all guns, but from the testing Faust and I did, its universal. Fuel tanks simply dont seem to exist any more as a damageable target. This needs to get fixed ASAP!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Gibbage1
12-28-2006, 12:08 AM
OK. I tried to go though the proper channels, and it did not work. I guess in order to get something fixed, you need to make a big stink of it, or its just not getting done or something.

Recently me and Faustnic found a huge DM bug! In the fact that NOTHING SEEMS TO HAVE A FUEL TANK!!! Or at least one that can be lit on fire!!!!!

I have tried with many guns (M2, UBS, and even Hispano's) to light the fuel tanks of many aircraft, and they simply wont light or leak!!! Here is fuel for thought.

A Betty bomber has a wet wing. The entire wing is a fuel tank. In old builds, they would light easy. Not as easy as historical accounts. But at least the wings would light. Take a look at this screenshot.


http://www.gibbageart.com/files/grab0000.jpg

There are no fuel tanks in the wings any more! This goes for almost all aircraft I have tested so far! I have tested Zero's, Ki-21, Ki-27 and even B-17's. I can get the engine to light up, but not the fuel tanks. You can also notice a lack of a fuel stream (white vaper trail) in the screenshot.

This is just un-acceptable that #1, it got though beta testing. #2, it was reported two weeks ago through private channels and it was not addressed AT ALL in the latest patch.

Why had this me so concerned? US pilots and any aircraft NOT useing explosive ammo almost DEPEND on a fuel fire! Its the biggest target for MG armed aircraft, and without it, it makes aircraft a LOT harder to shoot down. Take a look at how many .50 cal rounds are in the wing of that Betty bomber! Its famous for its flamability, yet its taking hundreds of rounds into its fuel tank! A few 20MM's would pop the wing right off, but without that fuel tank, US pilots must expend extra time and ammo to bring it down.

This bug is a huge disadvantage for US aircraft. I have not had the time to test all aircraft and all guns, but from the testing Faust and I did, its universal. Fuel tanks simply dont seem to exist any more as a damageable target. This needs to get fixed ASAP!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Pollack2006
12-28-2006, 12:39 AM
P-47 44 vs 4x Betty

3 burned one exploded.

v4.071.

?

Track here....

http://files.filefront.com//;6432320;;/

3.JG51_BigBear
12-28-2006, 01:30 AM
I knocked down a couple of those SBM... whatever that crappy Russian bomber is called with a Ki-27 by setting the wing, just inboard of the engine, on fire earlier today.

Pollack2006
12-28-2006, 01:33 AM
Tracks of P-38, P-51, P-40 and P-47 versus 1945 Betties....all burn nicely.

http://files.filefront.com//;6432450;;/

If there is a bug it's the fact that hitting the right-hand engine causes a fire in the left wing....

daFat1
12-28-2006, 01:33 AM
Hey Gibbage,

you the master of 3D please give us private patch that has the Northrop B-35 and maybe the Bearcat in it!!! Please, Please , Please!

To make up for your efforts, I would invite you to my favorite Brewery in the middle of Germany,where you could fill up yourself till you forget you name! ...or your wife......or whatever! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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JG52Karaya-X
12-28-2006, 01:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by daFat1:
Hey Gibbage,

you the master of 3D please give us private patch that has the Northrop B-35 and maybe the Bearcat in it!!! Please, Please , Please! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not to burst your bubble but:

1) Gibbage doesnt have any influence in what is included into FB and what's not, it is still the developer's choice.
2) He (and anybody else for that matter) doesnt have the necessary tools to include new objects/planes into the sim.
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12-28-2006, 02:17 AM
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Gibbage1
12-28-2006, 02:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pollack2006:
P-47 44 vs 4x Betty

3 burned one exploded.

v4.071.

?

Track here....

http://files.filefront.com//;6432320;;/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I downloaded and played the track. Its out of sync for some reason when I play it on my system. The P-47 makes a run on the tail Betty, hits the left wing, and gets a fire on the wing between the engine and body of the aircraft and goes down. After that, the P-47 fires in open air. Im playing in 4.071.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Gibbage1
12-28-2006, 02:26 AM
I played some of the other tracks. They are all out of sync. Is there a known playback issue with 4.071?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Antoninus
12-28-2006, 02:28 AM
I tried it with P-38 and Corsair, only with 0.50s, Betty can loose fuel from inner and outer wing sections and they can be set aflame.

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Gibbage1
12-28-2006, 02:39 AM
I dont know whats going on then. I shot down about 20+ betty's using differant aircraft, and not one of them caught fire from the wings. Always the engine, or the wing finally gave up and popped off. Faustnic also verified this and said he had the same problem! As you see in the screenshot above, im not trying to pull one over. I sank hundreds of rounds into the wings with nothing. The fact that its happening on some systems and not others has me concerned that DM is not the same on all systems. I will record and save a track and post it. BRB.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Gibbage1
12-28-2006, 02:50 AM
Here is my track file. Recorded in 4.07, and still works in 4.071.

http://www.gibbageart.com/files/BURN1.zip

The 5 Betty's go down by wings getting clipped, not due to fire. The 6th betty lit up a moment before I hit him. There is NO WAY a Betty's wing should take that sort of punishment without a fire.

This track also shows that hitting the Betty's right wing will damage its left engine. Thats an odd one.

Is this track in sync for you guys?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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joeap
12-28-2006, 03:21 AM
I got a fuel leak in my Mustang last night??

Brain32
12-28-2006, 05:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Is this track in sync for you guys? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It is.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> This track also shows that hitting the Betty's right wing will damage its left engine. Thats an odd one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I couldn't believe my eyes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
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VW-IceFire
12-28-2006, 07:18 AM
Gibbage...in your first picture I see two major fuel tank leaks inboard and outboard of the starboard engine. So fuel leaks seem to be possible...they just aren't igniting on your machine.

Is this a problem you've noticed on all types or just the G4M? What about the 1945 model of the G4M?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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12-28-2006, 07:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gibbage1:
This is just un-acceptable that #1, it got though beta testing. #2, it was reported two weeks ago through private channels and it was </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Announcement: Open Beta 4.071m is released </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">News:
Probably tomorrow or aftertomorrow we will release beta patch for 4.07m and same patch for dedicated server to test online Win2K etc.
There also will be several corrections that were found by users after release of Il-2 1946. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


This is a Beta patch and we are the testers, no? Why not just report it in the designated thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/2571022815)..... so that it can be fixed in the final patch? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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AKA_TAGERT
12-28-2006, 08:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gibbage1:
I played some of the other tracks. They are all out of sync. Is there a known playback issue with 4.071? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
*.trk files can get out of sync, and have to be played back on the same version they were recorded on.

*.ntrk files dont get out of sync (99%) and play back on any newere version.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
12-28-2006, 08:55 AM
I've been playing for a week. The only thing I've seen is that .303 are more useless than ever. You can fire them all the day and you do almost no harm, not even in cockpit or engine.

But leaks do happen. And I've flamed Bettys and Zeroes with relative ease. On the other side, Kates are too strong now. They shouldn't be.

crazyivan1970
12-28-2006, 09:17 AM
Gibb, i did some runs in P-51, P-47, Hurricane versus different aircraft.... not sure if i can confirm your findings. I did flame Betties and other bombers relatively easy with 50 cal and even 303s<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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XyZspineZyX
12-28-2006, 10:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gibbage1:
I dont know whats going on then. I shot down about 20+ betty's using differant aircraft, and not one of them caught fire from the wings. Always the engine, or the wing finally gave up and popped off. Faustnic also verified this and said he had the same problem! As you see in the screenshot above, im not trying to pull one over. I sank hundreds of rounds into the wings with nothing. The fact that its happening on some systems and not others has me concerned that DM is not the same on all systems. I will record and save a track and post it. BRB. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I see this behavior in Ki-21s and Ki-27s in 4.07

Very difficult to set anything but engine on fire. In fact, I have playtested about a half dozen missions in which 40+ bombers are attacked, all Ki-21s in some cases, mixed bag of "Ki-48s" represented by SB2M-100As and Ki-21s, and I see a trend towards the bombers and their escorts (ki-27s) to resist all fire except on their engines

In a high angle attack, I have easily set Ki-21 engines on fire. But never a wing. I have only tried with Ki-21 and SB2M-100a, but it has been extensive, I've been playtesting for a campaign. This means roughly two dozen fights in which perhaps a dozen friendlies attack anywhere from 18 to 40 bombers. I've yet to see a fire on a Ki-21 anywhere but on an engine

Don't know what's what with this, as I don't know exactly where the fuel tanks are in the Ki-21. I've had more luck shooting ou the controls than with any other tactic; the same applies to the Ki-27. I have lit two Ki-27s on fire in about 3 dozen fights. They aren't that hard to knock down, but it is much much more common to see the Ki-27 spiral in due to shot out controls than any other damage. Again, don't know exactly how accurate that is, but I'm playtesting almost daily and this is what I'm seeing in intensive testing sessions<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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12-28-2006, 10:23 AM
Yeh just tested it, Works fine on my rig.
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12-28-2006, 10:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:


*.ntrk files dont get out of sync (99%) and play back on any newere version. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My ntrks from 3.04 still work flawlessly; my ntrks from 4.04 and 4.07 all are out of sync ONLY in regards to the players aircraft. All other planes behave normally. Very bizarre<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
12-28-2006, 10:36 AM
Now that you mention it, that's the fault with B5N Kate: they don't flame, just leaks, and then explode. But I can't make them smoke black.

Gibbage1
12-28-2006, 11:17 AM
Has anyone played my track yet? If its computer spacific, and your computer does have flamable gas tanks, it will flame up on the track I think.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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crazyivan1970
12-28-2006, 11:21 AM
I`ll check that out when i get home. Also will test some more. No worries Gibb, we got time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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T_O_A_D
12-28-2006, 02:17 PM
Gib your track has Flames.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/T_O_A_D/IL2%20AEP%20PF%20pics/grab0000.jpg
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This track also shows that hitting the Betty's right wing will damage its left engine. Thats an odd one </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
This is true I saw that, but have seen that on, and off, on several aircraft types through the series. Nope I didn't d.o.c.u.m.e.n.t (why would that word get filtered?)any of them, but I have seen it. As does this screen shot shows it happening.
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BaronUnderpants
12-28-2006, 02:38 PM
Wached the track and saw light/heavy smoke, vapor trails from all Bettys.

Only wing that actually caught on fire though, was the 6:th and last one.

Think the first Betty caught fire to, but that was the engine...and the left one at that, didnt get any hits as far as i could see and still burned. ( could have been the inner left wing to, hard to tell. ) Definetly a bug and iv seen it before.

Several times i KNOW i hit someone in say left wing and the damage shows up on the right instead.

Gibbage1
12-28-2006, 03:31 PM
Sorry toad, thats an engine fire. I have no problems getting that to burn. During my testing, it was a problem that it burned too often so I could not put as much dmg into the wing as I wanted.

The problem I am having is getting the WING, or the fuel inside the wing to burn. All hits were done to the wing, and the wing has fuel, yet only the 6th Betty in the track started to burn just before I collided with it. Thats a problem considering that the Betty should burn like rice paper! This limited flamability is not limited to just the Betty and just the .50 cal's, but it seems to be universal. A good test is the A6M Zero's and early Mig's. All of those have been VERY flamable in earlier builds. If you shoot down 20 and only 2 burn, thats a big problem.

Im working some nasty overtime and I dont have time to test every aircraft. It would be nice to get some help on this and find out if it is universal, and what frequancy things do burn. Remember, this is for FUEL tanks, not engines. Most Japanese and early Russian burns should light up easy. Shoot down 20 AI friendly Zero's. If only 2 light up, then ya. You have a DM problem.

For this test, you should know the location of fuel tanks.

B-17's have a large fuel tank between the inboard and outboard engine, and a smaller tank forward of the ailerons.

Betty has a fuel tank in the entire wing.

Zero's = inner portion of the wing

Ki-43 = inner portion of the wing

early Mig = almost any wing hit would light its wings.

The reason I put the B-17 in the list is because it was VERY easy to get it to light in old versions. Something that was never fixed. If you know of other aircraft and its fuel tanks location, hit it. Report on your success rate of getting it to light.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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crazyivan1970
12-28-2006, 03:35 PM
How did it behave in 405 or 404? I gotta install and compare<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Gibbage1
12-28-2006, 04:30 PM
I still have my 4.05 so I will double check, but very flamable from memory.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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T_O_A_D
12-28-2006, 05:53 PM
Rgr Gib understand fully now, I just tested it in 4.05 and I can not get them to fire up either. I have a track if you want it. I can test 4.04 if you want aswell.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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WWMaxGunz
12-28-2006, 07:39 PM
Complain that B-17 wings don't light up within 2 20mm hits.

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crazyivan1970
12-28-2006, 10:58 PM
Is this what you trying to do Gibb?

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Took only short burst from P-47... i can e-mail NTRK... 50% of the time i get same effect...other times i guess i kill the pilot and it spins down.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DKoor
12-29-2006, 12:50 AM
Just want to point out that you guys must be careful since fire easily spreads on bomber you hit the engine and set it on fire you don't have to do anything fire will spread to nearby fuel tanks.

I've tried with F4F vs. G4M I set it on fire (inner tank) and get its fuel tank to leak in the first pass. v4.071.

I'll check out some notoriously inflammable (any weapon) planes like Yak-3.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Problem exists, IMO. They can burn but that is rare considering how it should be. I can just confirm what Gibbage said. Yaks of course remained completely inflammable. v4.071m.

Gibbage1
12-29-2006, 01:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Took only short burst from P-47... i can e-mail NTRK... 50% of the time i get same effect...other times i guess i kill the pilot and it spins down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya. Thats what im lookin for. The question now remains "why cant that happen on my system?". I guess its because im not using Russian markings on my Betty? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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bomber you want to add to Il-2 never even got to the
prototype stage, while the Gotha did."

edgflyer
12-29-2006, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gibbage1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Took only short burst from P-47... i can e-mail NTRK... 50% of the time i get same effect...other times i guess i kill the pilot and it spins down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya. Thats what im lookin for. The question now remains "why cant that happen on my system?". I guess its because im not using Russian markings on my Betty? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Check you config file and see if effects = 2 or not

zoomar
12-29-2006, 09:49 AM
While I've noticed no significant difference between 4.05 and 4.07 in Betty fires, it has been my observation (prejudice, perhaps) that a number of the supposedly flammable early war Japanese types don't seem to burn when hit in the fuel tank areas any faster than most other planes. Perhaps this has been overstated in the secondary histories, but I sort of assumed a Ki21, G4M, Ki43, or early war A6M would torch after a few good hits in the tank areas. They really don't. My experience is a Betty is as hard to bring down with MGs as a Ju88, plus that sniper in the tail with the 20mm cannon is a lot more deadly.

XyZspineZyX
12-29-2006, 10:23 AM
Well the Japanese planes weren't simply infernos waiting to happen, but against AP incendiary ammo, you might expect, reasonably, to see a fire when hits are scored on an unarmored fuel tank<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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crazyivan1970
12-29-2006, 11:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gibbage1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Took only short burst from P-47... i can e-mail NTRK... 50% of the time i get same effect...other times i guess i kill the pilot and it spins down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya. Thats what im lookin for. The question now remains "why cant that happen on my system?". I guess its because im not using Russian markings on my Betty? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe because of that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I tried several AC and they all light up Betty rather quickly... even Spit with 12Mgs lights it up like a xmas tree.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Gibbage1
12-29-2006, 11:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Maybe because of that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I tried several AC and they all light up Betty rather quickly... even Spit with 12Mgs lights it up like a xmas tree. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now I KNOW your playin a differant version of IL2 since I dont have a Spit with 12MG's. Hurricane yes, but no Spit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Tater-SW-
12-29-2006, 12:08 PM
Think it's the DM of the target, or the ammo of the shooter?

crazyivan1970
12-29-2006, 12:33 PM
LOL... Yes... Hurricane, my bad http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Gibbage1
12-29-2006, 02:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
Think it's the DM of the target, or the ammo of the shooter? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I tried with 20MM's and no real luck burning a wing. It does not seem to matter what I hit them with.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Tater-SW-
12-29-2006, 04:21 PM
I just tested the P-38, and the nate vs the betty, i could torch the inboard and outboard wings no problem.

StellarRat
12-29-2006, 05:40 PM
Gibbage, I'm starting to wonder if you have a bad install. Did you totally get rid of &lt; 4.07 before you installed 1946? It could be some kind of accidental file overwrite or overlap.

Manos1
12-30-2006, 07:38 AM
Gibbage, I think you are in for a fresh install of the game.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

And maybe after a clean installation, you should test shooting at the Betty the first time without even copying your old conf.ini file into the new installation...

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10tacle
01-01-2007, 07:29 AM
Two bugs in Mig 9 / FS sight:

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1) Revi ist not broken after enemy cockpit hits (only switched off)

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F19_Ob
01-01-2007, 07:57 AM
The damage bug where the damage appear in the opposit wing is an old bug from forgotten battles.

I'm not sure it affects all planes , all the time but for some time I assumed it was an error in online tracks.

One important thing to note though is that a cannon explosion in one wing may damage the fueltank in the opposit one if the damage-arrows (shrapnel) reach that far.
Sadly the damage-arrows enabled with arcademode cant be seen on Ntrk's (online tracks)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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EPP_Gibbs
01-01-2007, 06:34 PM
Opposite wing damage happens too often for it to be shrapnel ricochet, and it's a wierd sort. I set 100m convergence on .303 and opened fire at the correct range for spot convergence on the outboard wing of a betty, you can clearly see the strikes hitting the right place and the visible physical holes and damage appear there..but..the fuel leak, smoke, and flame, all appear from the opposite wing, which otherwise shows no signs of damage. It doesn't happen every time though, about 50%-60% of the time maybe.