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Stackhouse25th
04-28-2006, 06:36 PM
From what I can tell some of you wont buy the PE-2. The last thing you want is to divide (community/game) it anymore than it is, IE PAcific fighters standalone, and merged. Some people complain they wont buy it unless its in stores.

Also it is not clear enough that the English (UK) version of the game will work for the USA folks. I know I know, but it's still not clear enough.

.02cents

Stackhouse25th
04-28-2006, 06:36 PM
From what I can tell some of you wont buy the PE-2. The last thing you want is to divide (community/game) it anymore than it is, IE PAcific fighters standalone, and merged. Some people complain they wont buy it unless its in stores.

Also it is not clear enough that the English (UK) version of the game will work for the USA folks. I know I know, but it's still not clear enough.

.02cents

FluffyDucks
04-28-2006, 06:50 PM
Will you guys wise up....there is a WORLD outside of your borders there are no dragons and you will not fall off the edge if you go beyond your horizons.
Bloody hell just use your your credit card on site of choice and guess what???? they are able to actually work out how many dollars you owe them...AND A BONUS!!! English(UK) is not that dissimilar from the corrupted version they use in the US!!! wow!! how good is that??? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
weird isn't it??? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

BTW Stackhouse here is an exercise for you...
convert 10.00 to US dollars...... its not difficult and if you have access to internet it is EASY http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Stackhouse25th
04-28-2006, 06:58 PM
oh shove it up ur *** Fluffy, haha that sounds funny.

I did get the download to work. But I am quite angry they are not able to show the price in USD, the price in Euro's, and CANADIAN, which ever customer they have sold the previous games to. That is all I am asking for. I am not helpless.

For those in say South Africa or zimbabwe, a conversion then would be recommended because I doubt they shipped these games there.

FluffyDucks
04-28-2006, 07:04 PM
Stack ....guess what ....there are HUNDREDS of currencies out there in the WORLD beyond your picket fence, they all get along just fine using the internet, so maybe you should just go back to counting your twelve toes and tucking your cousin into bed
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

BTW my bet is you don't even have a passport(or know what it is) and have never left your own borders..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Chuck_Older
04-28-2006, 07:04 PM
This 'divide the community" notion is the boogieman that has been feared for many nights in the Il2 Community. I think I first heard it when FB came out.

What is it with the terrible "community division"? What is so horrid, what is so terrible and scary? What's going to happen?

The same thing that's happened all along will happen. Do you recall all the "Well I'm re-installing 3.04 and making my own server, lots of people will join!" days? Of course you do

Look, it's a river, OK? the full version, ie: the most current version, is the Main River, all right? As we have progressed, there have always been those that "refuse" (at least on the boards) to get "fooled" "forced" "tricked" and otherwise made to either upgrade to the current version, or branch off to the version they prefer

And they've done it.

All those tributaries exist. Has the community "Split"? Like the great Schism? No. Are those who play the version they like ? Yes

Some people play PF only. Some have just up tp AEP. Some prefer 3.04

The fact of the matter is that the Main River isn't going to stop for all those folks who want to try out the tributaries. The Main River is the Full Product

This 'split the community' thing has always been there, and it has happened with every version...some folks get off the river, others continue to get swept along

But there are not going to be two or more warring factions, vying for control of the baords, the sim, how you have your fun, or anything else.

It's not going to happen. We have seen this time in, time out, and time again

I wish you folks would calm down about Community Splits, Boonty or whatever, and whatever else is the flavor-of-the-minute panic food. You all are otherwise level-headed adults, but if for a second there's a whiff of "community spilt!" Chicken Little heads over to the tinfoil tamoshanter's place, because the sky is coming down.

Please remain calm. Remain in control of yourselves. Stop with the knee-jerk reactions, this place is becoming a Den-Mother's nightmare

leitmotiv
04-28-2006, 07:12 PM
I downloaded to California from Ubi France and suffered no ill but a need for my French dictionary (completely missed the Union Jack at the bottom for English translation kindly provided for philistines). The dratted boontybox had to be downloaded several times to get one to work.

willyvic
04-28-2006, 07:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:


...some folks get off the river, others continue to get swept along

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, some will get off the river. However, this time I believe it will be a bigger abandon ship drill then previously has transpired. And a good portion of them will be some of the old timers and greater supporters of the "main".

What I foresee anywho....yep, yep.

WV.

F19_Orheim
04-28-2006, 07:34 PM
gee stack, learn some basic maths and figure it out yourself.... currency ratings aren't that hard to find.... I have to do it everytime I shop on internet, it is not like they show prices in SEK .

Last week in Gothenburgh this dude from the US started to make a HUGE fuss in a coffeshop I regularly visit, just because they would not accept US Dollars. "It's the best darned currency in the world and you won't accept it" he went... He didn't give in until the manager arrived and firmly but politly showed him the door... these are really incidents that makes you go "hmmmmm"

horseback
04-28-2006, 08:12 PM
There are two sources of aggravation here; first, that everyone has to download the new expansion pack with all the accompanying grumpiness that not having something solid in your hand (like a CD) for your hard-earned coin will generate, and second, the vague suspicion that many of us Yanks have every time we have to purchase something in a strange foreign exchange rate that we are being charged extra just for being Americans. Add to this that up until quite recently, for the last 60 or so years, everyone else in the world knew their currency's value in US dollars and cents to the farthing, and eagerly accepted our (usually) more stable currency.

Personally, I'll pull out my wallet when there is a CD or DVD with the latest expansion; I expect to be able to reload the game and its expansions once in a while, and I haven't seen any indication that I will be able to do so without buying the expansion download again.

While there are a whole lot of countries out there beyond our borders (and I've been to many of them, guys, so they really do exist), I have yet to visit a foreign land not right on our borders where the natives have the slightest clue just how large and varied the United States really is. They seem to think that Americans are always this or that way.

For example, F19_Orheim, if one in 10 Americans is a gold-plated jerk (yes, it is a low estimate), that means that there are some 27 million Americans like the fellow you described. By themselves, they may well outnumber all the Swedes in Sweden...and there will still be another 240 million of us who are fairly decent and respectful folks who probably would have found a way to quietly pay for their coffee in an acceptable way.

We always take more notice of people who act badly but that is no excuse for treating the generally well behaved majority as though they were responsible for the horse's patoots who happen to have been born in the same general area.

cheers

horseback

panzerd18
04-28-2006, 08:36 PM
The Universal Currency Converter

http://www.xe.com/ucc/


Credit cards don't care about it, they do the exchange rate for you and charge you in your own currency

I didn't see Australian dollars on the UBI site but I'm not complaining. Ubisoft is French, Maddox Games is Russian, don't get upset if its not in USD

FluffyDucks
04-28-2006, 08:45 PM
Hey Horseback...I respect you and your posts but really there are some real dimwits posting here m8 and I'm pretty sure most of them have never left their borders, nor even know about worlds beyond their horizons http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif as for passports..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif lol

georgeo76
04-28-2006, 08:46 PM
We are being charged extra for being Americans horseback, that's because the US dollar is so weak. Do you know that some ppl in Europe charter flights into NYork to go shopping for the day because everything is so cheap? freaky

zero85ZEN
04-28-2006, 09:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
There are two sources of aggravation here; first, that everyone has to download the new expansion pack with all the accompanying grumpiness that not having something solid in your hand (like a CD) for your hard-earned coin will generate, and second, the vague suspicion that many of us Yanks have every time we have to purchase something in a strange foreign exchange rate that we are being charged extra just for being Americans. Add to this that up until quite recently, for the last 60 or so years, everyone else in the world knew their currency's value in US dollars and cents to the farthing, and eagerly accepted our (usually) more stable currency.

Personally, I'll pull out my wallet when there is a CD or DVD with the latest expansion; I expect to be able to reload the game and its expansions once in a while, and I haven't seen any indication that I will be able to do so without buying the expansion download again.

While there are a whole lot of countries out there beyond our borders (and I've been to many of them, guys, so they really do exist), I have yet to visit a foreign land not right on our borders where the natives have the slightest clue just how large and varied the United States really is. They seem to think that Americans are always this or that way.

For example, F19_Orheim, if one in 10 Americans is a gold-plated jerk (yes, it is a low estimate), that means that there are some 27 million Americans like the fellow you described. By themselves, they may well outnumber all the Swedes in Sweden...and there will still be another 240 million of us who are fairly decent and respectful folks who probably would have found a way to quietly pay for their coffee in an acceptable way.

We always take more notice of people who act badly but that is no excuse for treating the generally well behaved majority as though they were responsible for the horse's patoots who happen to have been born in the same general area.

cheers

horseback </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are a myriad of ways to back up purchased downloaded files for reinstallation. In this instance you are givin a code with your purchase and as long as you keep that code and the emails, basically digital receipts (print them out or copy and paste to Word document, or whatever), from Ubi you will NOT have to purchase the game again upon a reformat or computer upgrade even if you don't have a backup saved (which you should). It is just an absurd notion to think that a company would sell you a software product and then expect you to re-purchase it again upon hard drive reimageing, upgrade or whatever. One of the benifits of the modern world we live in: record keeping; great for just this kind of thing.

The BoontyBox installer is a pain in the rear but it is not the end of the freakin world like so many are claiming. If it bothers some so much just do a complete uninstall of it after you've installed the add-on.

Remember folks, all of us outside of Russia are lucky to even be getting this content. I applaud MG and the development team for all their hard work and for making this available for everyone in the rest of the world.

The Online community won't split...a few splinters may come off here or there but like every patch or add-on that's come before, the majority will get it one way or another at some time or another.

So much panic, so little factual knowledge on hand....

Bearcat99
04-28-2006, 09:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FluffyDucks:
Hey Horseback...I respect you and your posts but really there are some real dimwits posting here m8 and I'm pretty sure most of them have never left their borders, nor even know about worlds beyond their horizons http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif as for passports..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You sure are full of yourself... How do you know that he didnt try to DL the d@mn thing and couldnt.... How do you in your infinite wisdom know that he didnt try to pay for the thing with his American Visa.. and get it rejected...... it has happened to several people... this has not been the smoothest offering...... You think you know so d@mn much with your pompus windbag attitude......... you need to check yourself.....

FluffyDucks
04-28-2006, 09:44 PM
Bearcat...I think you have really lost the plot m8...
1. I am not attacking Horse,nor am I even talking about the downloads???

2. I am not attacking anyone specifically.

3. What are you complaining about?

4. I think you are being pretty harsh on me considering I am not personally attacking anyone, people in UBI have been banned for life for less than what you are saying to me.

5. I have nothing but respect for Horseback and his posts even if I dont always agree.

6. I will just put it down to maybe a bit too much beer or something, as I have done nothing to offend either you or anybody else on this forum.

Breeze147
04-28-2006, 10:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FluffyDucks:
Will you guys wise up....there is a WORLD outside of your borders there are no dragons and you will not fall off the edge if you go beyond your horizons.
Bloody hell just use your your credit card on site of choice and guess what???? they are able to actually work out how many dollars you owe them...AND A BONUS!!! English(UK) is not that



dissimilar from the corrupted version they use



in the US!!! wow!! how good is that??? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
weird isn't it??? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

BTW Stackhouse here is an exercise for you...
convert 10.00 to US dollars...... its not difficult and if you have access to internet it is EASY http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Now that's funny.

Bearcat99
04-28-2006, 10:56 PM
You dont see anything condecending or sarcastic and unneccessary about your two posts?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

horseback
04-28-2006, 11:26 PM
Bear, Fluffy is just being as provincial as he accuses Americans of being; he lives in an area where visiting another country with another language and currency is a matter of a couple hours by train or car.

But, hey, Fluff, thanks for the props.

It takes me that long to get to the next county (Riverside, Orange or Imperial) by car most days. Mexico's ten minutes off, but I quit visiting there when Mexico insisted that it had the right to (literally) run through my back yard every night. For Bearcat, it's a day of flying and a week or two of pay, even if you 'settle' for Canada. I don't want to think what it's like for folks in Missouri.

There's a reason why we call it 'overseas.'

As for my attempts to purchase the new expansion, I haven't had the chance to try yet; I've been buried in work for the last week or so, and this paycheck is tied up in rent and my youngest boy's testing fee for his next black belt level.

Maybe when the income tax refund comes in next month...but that ViewSonic VX2025w may still be on sale at a local shop for $400, so I may have other priorities.

cheers

horseback

wiekiewiekie
04-28-2006, 11:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
the vague suspicion that many of us Yanks have every time we have to purchase something in a strange foreign exchange rate that we are being charged extra just for being Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, guess what, try to buy a games console in europe, you pay in euros what you guys pay in dollars and then most of the time some added on top (like enormous import taxes). Count yourselves fortunate for almost never having to pay more. It is usually people from other countries that are screwed over. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Esel1964
04-29-2006, 01:00 AM
I'm with Bearcat!
I've heard from folks who were in,or had relatives in the WW2 European theater all my life that the Brits could be "pompous asses"(hell-look at what an assh**e Monty was).

But,from my personal experience,I always enjoyed their company;UNTIL I got my fill of "Fluffy's" vitriol aimed at anything American.Now I see what the old timers meant about the 'smarminess' and superiority complex of at least a portion(Fluffy being the ring leader for the moment)of the UK population.

"Fluffy"-I'm sure it's a fitting name-seems to think the fact that he has a passport,makes him some form of superior being,and that all Americans are cretins,who never travel more than walking distance from their birthplace.

I have a passport,and could drive for 3-4 days,logging 500 mi. a day-before I had to present a passport,as pointed out earlier,a luxury you don't have.Lose the attitude "Fluffy",you don't impress,scare,or intimidate anyone.

I have nothing against the UK,or it's people(until they act like they're frigging Einstein,and all of the roughly 350 mil. Americans are basically inbred hicks).

I have the utmost respect for your country and it's people(other than you)-but you've made an *** of yourself with your pomposity.

AKA_TAGERT
04-29-2006, 01:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stackhouse25th:
From what I can tell some of you wont buy the PE-2. The last thing you want is to divide (community/game) it anymore than it is, IE PAcific fighters standalone, and merged. Some people complain they wont buy it unless its in stores.

Also it is not clear enough that the English (UK) version of the game will work for the USA folks. I know I know, but it's still not clear enough.

.02cents </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I think a divison is a good thing.. one group of people who actully paid for the software and the other group that did not. No need for those two groups to mix anyways.

WTE_Ibis
04-29-2006, 01:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Esel1964:
I'm with Bearcat!
I've heard from folks who were in,or had relatives in the WW2 European theater all my life that the Brits could be "pompous asses"(hell-look at what an assh**e Monty was).

But,from my personal experience,I always enjoyed their company;UNTIL I got my fill of "Fluffy's" vitriol aimed at anything American.Now I see what the old timers meant about the 'smarminess' and superiority complex of at least a portion(Fluffy being the ring leader for the moment)of the UK population.

"Fluffy"-I'm sure it's a fitting name-seems to think the fact that he has a passport,makes him some form of superior being,and that all Americans are cretins,who never travel more than walking distance from their birthplace.

I have a passport,and could drive for 3-4 days,logging 500 mi. a day-before I had to present a passport,as pointed out earlier,a luxury you don't have.Lose the attitude "Fluffy",you don't impress,scare,or intimidate anyone.

I have nothing against the UK,or it's people(until they act like they're frigging Einstein,and all of the roughly 350 mil. Americans are basically inbred hicks).

I have the utmost respect for your country and it's people(other than you)-but you've made an *** of yourself with your pomposity. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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My my some people are easely offended, no wonder there are wars all over the world.
Lighten up guys, group hugs all round. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
You guys are so funny. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

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SPLASH_1
04-29-2006, 01:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stackhouse25th:
From what I can tell some of you wont buy the PE-2. The last thing you want is to divide (community/game) it anymore than it is, IE PAcific fighters standalone, and merged. Some people complain they wont buy it unless its in stores.

Also it is not clear enough that the English (UK) version of the game will work for the USA folks. I know I know, but it's still not clear enough.

.02cents </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I think a divison is a good thing.. one group of people who actully paid for the software and the other group that did not. No need for those two groups to mix anyways. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.piratesstore.com/images/store/costumes_images/greetsmall_adult.jpg

Esel1964
04-29-2006, 01:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Esel1964:
I'm with Bearcat!
I've heard from folks who were in,or had relatives in the WW2 European theater all my life that the Brits could be "pompous asses"(hell-look at what an assh**e Monty was).

But,from my personal experience,I always enjoyed their company;UNTIL I got my fill of "Fluffy's" vitriol aimed at anything American.Now I see what the old timers meant about the 'smarminess' and superiority complex of at least a portion(Fluffy being the ring leader for the moment)of the UK population.

"Fluffy"-I'm sure it's a fitting name-seems to think the fact that he has a passport,makes him some form of superior being,and that all Americans are cretins,who never travel more than walking distance from their birthplace.

I have a passport,and could drive for 3-4 days,logging 500 mi. a day-before I had to present a passport,as pointed out earlier,a luxury you don't have.Lose the attitude "Fluffy",you don't impress,scare,or intimidate anyone.

I have nothing against the UK,or it's people(until they act like they're frigging Einstein,and all of the roughly 350 mil. Americans are basically inbred hicks).

I have the utmost respect for your country and it's people(other than you)-but you've made an *** of yourself with your pomposity. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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My my some people are easely offended, no wonder there are wars all over the world.
Lighten up guys, group hugs all round. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
You guys are so funny. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was a casual observer up to a point,but (basically)insinuating that all my countrymen are rubes,crosses a line.
I can take a joke,hell,I live for humor.I'm usually the most sarcastic,self-deprecating person I know.But,"Fluffy" pushed it a little too far for my mood tonight.
I would imagine that if I started incessantly verbally attacking your country-over and over in posts,you might have a reaction also.

WOLFMondo
04-29-2006, 01:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
the vague suspicion that many of us Yanks have every time we have to purchase something in a strange foreign exchange rate that we are being charged extra just for being Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HB, your not buying some thing in a strange foreign exchange, your buying in one of the oldest and most stable currencies on the planet, the Pound Sterling. Also the very currency the USD is often valued against before anything else.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by georgeo76:
We are being charged extra for being Americans horseback, that's because the US dollar is so weak. Do you know that some ppl in Europe charter flights into NYork to go shopping for the day because everything is so cheap? freaky </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd disagree there. Your still getting stuff allot cheaper than in the UK in general because of tax. Just compare the price of an Xbox360 in the US and then in the UK, you get stuff way cheaper.

I buy allot of stuff, almost everything apart from consumer electronics from the states because its so cheap. The Dollar has got weaker steadily for the last few years so it makes good financial sense to me to buy US imports.

Esel1964
04-29-2006, 02:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
the vague suspicion that many of us Yanks have every time we have to purchase something in a strange foreign exchange rate that we are being charged extra just for being Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HB, your not buying some thing in a strange foreign exchange, your buying in one of the oldest and most stable currencies on the planet, the Pound Sterling. Also the very currency the USD is often valued against before anything else.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by georgeo76:
We are being charged extra for being Americans horseback, that's because the US dollar is so weak. Do you know that some ppl in Europe charter flights into NYork to go shopping for the day because everything is so cheap? freaky </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd disagree there. Your still getting stuff allot cheaper than in the UK in general because of tax. Just compare the price of an Xbox360 in the US and then in the UK, you get stuff way cheaper.

I buy allot of stuff, almost everything apart from consumer electronics from the states because its so cheap. The Dollar has got weaker steadily for the last few years so it makes good financial sense to me to buy US imports. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet you pay less for Newcastle Brown,Watney's Red Barrel,or any of the Sam Smith brews-I'll take them over Pe-2 anyday.

TheGozr
04-29-2006, 02:33 AM
Time is like a yoyo.
US or Europe hum.. I just hope that you guys know that unified europe have more peoples than the US... by far. Anyway everything goes and come back to go again.

Cheers!.

Badsight.
04-29-2006, 02:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Esel1964:
I've heard from folks who were in,or had relatives in the WW2 European theater all my life that the Brits could be "pompous asses"(hell-look at what an assh**e Monty was). . . . . . . . Now I see what the old timers meant about the 'smarminess' and superiority complex of at least a portion of the UK population.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>HA ! , this is so funny
especially in the light of a recent FlyPast magazine letter

overpaid , oversexed , & over HERE !

Bula
04-29-2006, 02:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
This 'divide the community" notion is the boogieman that has been feared for many nights in the Il2 Community. I think I first heard it when FB came out...
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know, but this one may be a bit different, Chuck. There are many here, myself included, who don't want Boonty Box-related processes running every time we start up the sim, which WB_Outlaw has reported is happening even if you have manually turned off BB (if I understood him correctly). It may be that you can't play if you succeed in ridding your comp of all, and I mean all, BB-related items.

I am loath to purchase the Pe-2 add-on becaue of Boonty Box, but I really enjoy flying online when I get the chance. My experience with previous add-ons is that the vast majority of servers are eventually updated to them, which means my online choices will be greatly limited if I don't follow suit. But I really don't want this non-sim related stuff running every time I crank up Il2 FB. The burden on the CPU may be small, but why is it necessary? And, more importantly, what is it doing?

Ubi has stuck those of us who are leery of BB and similar programs in a bad situation: we either bite the bullet and let BB data mine our comps or do whatever it is it does when you start up Il2 FB, or we limit ourselves to one or two servers (if we're lucky).

For the time being, I'm going to stick it out and hope a few pits-on servers continue running 4.04m. I feel badly for Oleg & Crew, knowing that I'm withholding money from them by withholding it from Ubi. But I feel strongly about installing spyware, which BB most definitely is.

Ubi's decision to include this program in the new add-on is certainly the most divisive issue to strike the community in a long while.

John_Pimlott
04-29-2006, 03:18 AM
Fluffy,
I'm embarrassed to read your anti-American feelings. By trying to make the people of America look ignorant, you only prove yourself to be ignorant. Don't imagine Britain would be proud of you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
From a Brit, who doesn't have a passport.
Best wishes.
John.

Monson74
04-29-2006, 03:33 AM
Amazing how a $25 piece of software just started WWIII over (or should I say "under") the Pond... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif Guys, get serious - I think it would be healthy for you to actually meet in person & see for yourselves that Americans/Europeans are not that stereotypish - for the love of Zeus - stop typecasting eachother - it's embarrasing.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
04-29-2006, 03:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by John_Pimlott:
Fluffy,
I'm embarrassed to read your anti-American feelings. By trying to make the people of America look ignorant, you only prove yourself to be ignorant. Don't imagine Britain would be proud of you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
From a Brit, who doesn't have a passport.
Best wishes.
John. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well said!

Looks like some people here are doing a pretty good job at dividing the community without this latest add-on.
If some of the bile directed at my country (and the U.S.A.) in these threads was directed against gays blacks or Jews... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

And if you want to know where I stand on Anglo-American relations, check out my 'Happy Birthday U.S.A.' thread from a while back...

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/5971016533/p/1

And I quote:-

"One of the reasons I posted this thread is that the U.S. 1st Infantry Division was billetted in and around my home town for the 11 months preceding the 6th June 1944. There are reminders of them everywhere, from restored vehicles, stars & stripes in local churches and various memorials. Many of the G.I.'s married local girls and there still a few now elderly Americans who attend local memorial services. At least once a year I make a point of visiting their comrades in the cemetary overlooking Omaha beach and wonder at the lost doctors, scientists, artists, sons, husbands and fathers under my feet. Perhaps it was stupid of me to
think that on this particular date people from all over the world would think of the good that the United States has done and would like to wish it's citizens all the best.

It's a shame that certain views and comments have spoilt my dream - I guess I'll have to console myself with the thought that perhaps I've made a few people aware of the terrible price that many men paid for the free speech denegrated here, that the cemetaries of Europe are full of Americans who died for your right to show ingratitude."

AWL_Spinner
04-29-2006, 03:53 AM
Oh please people, no need to go down this route again.

Either we end up with:

a) crass generalisations about populations at large based upon inaccurate preconceptions (from BOTH sides of the Atlantic), or...

b) an over the top sycophantic love-in based upon the actions of another generation.

Not sure which is worse. But it's always the same old ill-informed material, and wholly unecessary. So there's no need to get offended by any of it, go shoot down someone online and get over it.

The original title of this thread is done a diservice by this thread creep, as I think there's a genuine problem here with both the dodgy delivery method and the lack of attention paid to regionalised markets.

However, it does appear to be a, relatively, small problem as lots of people appear to have the addon (me not included, yet). This doesn't make it any easier to deal with for those with problems.

Esel1964
04-29-2006, 04:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Esel1964:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
the vague suspicion that many of us Yanks have every time we have to purchase something in a strange foreign exchange rate that we are being charged extra just for being Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HB, your not buying some thing in a strange foreign exchange, your buying in one of the oldest and most stable currencies on the planet, the Pound Sterling. Also the very currency the USD is often valued against before anything else.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by georgeo76:
We are being charged extra for being Americans horseback, that's because the US dollar is so weak. Do you know that some ppl in Europe charter flights into NYork to go shopping for the day because everything is so cheap? freaky </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd disagree there. Your still getting stuff allot cheaper than in the UK in general because of tax. Just compare the price of an Xbox360 in the US and then in the UK, you get stuff way cheaper.

I buy allot of stuff, almost everything apart from consumer electronics from the states because its so cheap. The Dollar has got weaker steadily for the last few years so it makes good financial sense to me to buy US imports. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet you pay less for Newcastle Brown,Watney's Red Barrel,or any of the Sam Smith brews-I'll take them over Pe-2 anyday. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

CrazySchmidt
04-29-2006, 06:49 AM
No wonder they call this the Zoo!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Monson74
04-29-2006, 07:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CrazySchmidt:
No wonder they call this the Zoo!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe lol - btw are you planning to update MM with the new Pe-2 content?

F19_Orheim
04-29-2006, 07:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
For example, F19_Orheim, if one in 10 Americans is a gold-plated jerk (yes, it is a low estimate), that means that there are some 27 million Americans like the fellow you described. By themselves, they may well outnumber all the Swedes in Sweden...and there will still be another 240 million of us who are fairly decent and respectful folks who probably would have found a way to quietly pay for their coffee in an acceptable way.

We always take more notice of people who act badly but that is no excuse for treating the generally well behaved majority as though they were responsible for the horse's patoots who happen to have been born in the same general area.

cheers

horseback </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are quite right horse, but where did you see me say anything of Americans in general? I criticized a person who don't want to make a purchase just because the price is not in US dollars, and I made a comparison with what you call "gold plated jerk".... but I did not in anyway hint that all americans are alike.

I consider myself pretty much free from "sterotype" prejudices, although I do make the observation that if I type "American" many guys in here with that nationality immediately think I am bashing an entire nationality, which I am not. I am merely pointing out a certain "type", which you might find in any country.
I sense a "big brother" sensitivity, which is quite understandable and completely normal.

ForkTailedDevil
04-29-2006, 07:52 AM
I wasn't even sure what I payed for Pe-2 till I checked my balane. Something like $17.96 in US dollars. SWEET!!! I can't belive all the babies out there.

WOLFMondo
04-29-2006, 08:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Esel1964:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
the vague suspicion that many of us Yanks have every time we have to purchase something in a strange foreign exchange rate that we are being charged extra just for being Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HB, your not buying some thing in a strange foreign exchange, your buying in one of the oldest and most stable currencies on the planet, the Pound Sterling. Also the very currency the USD is often valued against before anything else.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by georgeo76:
We are being charged extra for being Americans horseback, that's because the US dollar is so weak. Do you know that some ppl in Europe charter flights into NYork to go shopping for the day because everything is so cheap? freaky </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd disagree there. Your still getting stuff allot cheaper than in the UK in general because of tax. Just compare the price of an Xbox360 in the US and then in the UK, you get stuff way cheaper.

I buy allot of stuff, almost everything apart from consumer electronics from the states because its so cheap. The Dollar has got weaker steadily for the last few years so it makes good financial sense to me to buy US imports. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet you pay less for Newcastle Brown,Watney's Red Barrel,or any of the Sam Smith brews-I'll take them over Pe-2 anyday. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I pay around 3 pounds per bottle of Newcastle Brown where i live. thats about 5 USD. I wouldn't buy beer from the states anyway, they make the worst beer in the world. The Germans and the British make the best beers :P

Stackhouse25th
04-29-2006, 08:46 AM
I bought PE2 after some hassle. I think it is a good add on. I hope we see some newer aircraft eventually. I think they might tweak the PE2 flight model as well in the future, as it is stable at slow speeds, most multi engines are not.

LEBillfish
04-29-2006, 08:55 AM
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Yadda, yadda, yadda....Blah, blah...BLAH BLah blah....Yakitty yak.......Yep, that's the gist of "dividing the community".

Since FB came out (which it naturally was dividing the community from the old IL2 crowd)....Every patch, every addon we have those that claim "I refuse!!!!" "The FM is bad, the DM is bad, this plane is porked, that plane is uber"......Naturally the hollow threats of "I quit!!!....Don't beg for me to come back as until the rest of the world agrees with me I'm not flying!!!" are cast out.

"FB is splitting the community!!"......"AEP is splitting the community!!!"....PF if splitting the community!!!.....4.00, every patch, every add on is "Splitting the community!!"

Blehhhh.....

Truth be told someone, heck 50% or more even will ALWAYS have some sort of issue with something be it the sim itself, paying for something, or supposed spyware....On and on.

Funny thing is though, I notice many of the nay-sayers are already "pirating" the product....Naturally stating they'll send 1c a check...uh huh http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Never the less, after close to 20 patches and add-ons.........Here we all are.....So when's this break up going to happen, cause I have a feeling soon I'll meet this new hottie called "BoB" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </span>

Breeze147
04-29-2006, 08:57 AM
Whew, this in-fighting takes the heat off me for a while. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

panther3485
04-29-2006, 11:46 AM
Hi, WOLFMondo

Quote:
"I pay around 3 pounds per bottle of Newcastle Brown where i live. thats about 5 USD. I wouldn't buy beer from the states anyway, they make the worst beer in the world. The Germans and the British make the best beers :P"

Hey! Don't forget us - we don't make a bad drop down here, y'know. [And our wine ain't bad either!]

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Best regards,
panther3485

Viper2005_
04-29-2006, 12:33 PM
I suspect that after all the heat and light is over, the vast majority of the "community" will end up running 4.05 whether they like it or not since most people who post around here like to fly online, and most server admins are likely to update. In addition, many who are not interested in the Pe2 (myself included) are likely to be interested in the contents of the other addons in the pipeline for which Pe2 is a requirement. Personally I'm interested in Luft46 and the "un-named" addon, since I'm really hoping for Korea...

The only problem I have with this update is the delivery method as I'd always much rather have a CD in my hand. Since I bought FB+AEP+PF I've had to do a complete reinstall several times, one of which was the result of a total hard drive failure. I bought the "complete edition" DVD because the potential timesaving which it represents is well worth the 9.99 it cost me, and it gives me peace of mind.

I'll buy Pe2 because if I don't I soon won't be able to fly online.

But, I'm going to make a point of waiting until I've learned some more about this bountybox software and the options I have regarding its removal. If my information is sufficiently valuable to merit collection, I don't see why I should just give it away for free!

_VR_ScorpionWorm
04-29-2006, 12:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:

I pay around 3 pounds per bottle of Newcastle Brown where i live. thats about 5 USD. I wouldn't buy beer from the states anyway, they make the worst beer in the world. The Germans and the British make the best beers :P </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now that will start WWIII and split the community. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

AWL_Spinner
04-29-2006, 01:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But, I'm going to make a point of waiting until I've learned some more about this bountybox software and the options I have regarding its removal. If my information is sufficiently valuable to merit collection, I don't see why I should just give it away for free! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Note the posts in the top thread on this board - the Pe2 installation one - about how boonty reinstalls itself from the modified il2fb.exe / il2.exe files even if you've just manually removed it from your registry.

You have to back up your il2fb.exe and il2.exe files before installation of Pe2, and put them back afterwards, apparently, to prevent this from happening. If anyone wants virgin 4.04m exes pre-boonty I've uploaded them here (http://www.alliedwingedlegion.com/members/spinner/404mexes.zip),

Not that I've done this, I'm waiting like you until the dust settles a bit.

I hate unwarranted spyware with a passion. I cannot subscribe to the theory that people who object to this sort of intrusion are somehow encouraging piracy, are conspiracy nuts or anything else.

Your privacy is a big thing, and not to be dismissed so lightly. As is the sanctity of your PC - as so very ably demonstrated by the Starforce saga (and the Sony CD saga, etc. etc.). I don't see why I should have to go to special lengths just to clean a process I didn't ask for in the first place out of my system's memory.

*sigh*

Beckh_3.JG51
04-29-2006, 03:14 PM
Yes it does divide community, between those that appreciate Olegs work and the cheap bastards, and I am glad it does.

Viper2005_
04-29-2006, 03:39 PM
In a sense it's quite good that my U2Nxt broke a spring on Thursday; I can't fly until I fix it, and so I've got no reason to hurry into buying and installing this addon until I know more about any unwanted side-effects and how to combat them.

danjama
04-29-2006, 04:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beckh_3.JG51:
Yes it does divide community, between those that appreciate Olegs work and the cheap bastards, and I am glad it does. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yea because money IS the only reason someone wouldnt buy it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

panther3485
04-29-2006, 10:18 PM
Hi danjama

Quote:
"yea because money IS the only reason someone wouldnt buy it"

I've decided to wait until it's available on CD/DVD, even if I finish up paying a bit more!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Best regards,
panther3485

horseback
04-29-2006, 10:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheGozr:
Time is like a yoyo.
US or Europe hum.. I just hope that you guys know that unified europe have more peoples than the US... by far. Anyway everything goes and come back to go again.

Cheers!. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Call me when there actually IS a unified Europe.

Note to Wolf_Mondo: I was making the conversion from dollars to pounds in my head before you were born-when a pound was twenty shillings (as God intended) and a guinea (21 shillings) was worth three dollars US.

Bring back the thruppence! Six sided coins make for a more interesting world.

My current distrust of of exchange rates is based on what I have seen repeatedly since the 1970s. Even though Americans continue to enjoy a significantly higher quality of life than the average citizen in 99% of the world (measured in space, freedom and material goods available to the average worker), and are measurably more productive year in and year out, our currency has yoyoed to a ridiculous degree. A closer examination of these cycles seems to me to have more to do with America's popularity at a given moment than with it's economic stability.

Our government doesn't play games with exchange rates, while most of the European countries do seem to have their governments' agencies dabbling in or directly interfering with the money markets. Driving down the dollar has become an international sport.

cheers

horseback

crazyivan1970
04-29-2006, 10:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by panther3485:
Hi danjama

Quote:
"yea because money IS the only reason someone wouldnt buy it"

I've decided to wait until it's available on CD/DVD, even if I finish up paying a bit more!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Best regards,
panther3485 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It will be a long wait http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Nimits
04-30-2006, 12:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It will be a long wait

V!
Regards, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you have some inside infor that it is 100% sure not going to happen . . .?

Bo_Nidle
04-30-2006, 12:45 AM
Okay! everyone put down the mouse and take two steps back from their PC! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Now take a deep breath and start again.

I love this community for its general good humour and good nature and there does not appear to be very much here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I bought Pe-2 by d'load in the UK without a problem and didn't mind doing it. If some cannot get it I understand the frustration but is it really worth getting so angry about?

As for people lambasting each others nations over it? Well thats just silly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Now everyone...group hug and sit back down again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

GR142-Pipper
04-30-2006, 12:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stackhouse25th:
From what I can tell some of you wont buy the PE-2. The last thing you want is to divide (community/game) it anymore than it is, IE PAcific fighters standalone, and merged. Some people complain they wont buy it unless its in stores.

Also it is not clear enough that the English (UK) version of the game will work for the USA folks. I know I know, but it's still not clear enough.

.02cents </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I think a divison is a good thing.. one group of people who actully paid for the software and the other group that did not. No need for those two groups to mix anyways. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Not quite so. It wasn't offered to the "other" group. Sure, it can be obtained but it's clear that it was to be offered to but a portion of the community.

Honestly, the handling of this patch just seems weak. Here's why: 1) the upgrade itself is basically a zilch upgrade in that it offers virtually nothing in terms of flight and damage model improvements (Pe-2's included..so what), 2) the difficulties in the download/installation process seems needless and avoidable (simply put up a public link where the software can be downloaded and sell only the UNLOCK CODE which can be used but once. Problem solved.), and 3) it's offered to only a portion of the community when the upgrade itself is only marginally different from 4.04 yet 4.04 owners can't log onto a 4.05 server. This too could be avoided by simply allowing 4.04 owners to access 4.05 servers.

Is this the best you can do Ubisoft?

GR142-Pipper

JG5_UnKle
04-30-2006, 01:29 AM
Stunningly I find myself agreeing with Pipper.

But is anyone really surprised? This is the world of software, niche flight sim software FFS. Nothing ever runs perfectly smooth even though I agree with this distribution method.

Heck of a lot more green than all that paper and plastic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif
Never mind the oil needed to move it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

panther3485
04-30-2006, 03:59 AM
Hi there, crazyivan1970

Quote:
"It will be a long wait"

Had a feeling someone was gonna say that.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Oh well, even if I hate the idea, I guess I may end up doing it this way if I run out of time, patience and options. We'll see.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

I suppose I can always burn to CD afterwards but $hit, I really would like to be able to walk into a store, put money on the counter and walk out with the product....it just feels.... so much more comfortable and reassuring that way! [never paid for a download before]

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Love the Pe-2, BTW


Best regards,
panther3485