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pres_
08-29-2004, 10:09 AM
How does one properly use this? How long does it last?

pres_
08-29-2004, 10:09 AM
How does one properly use this? How long does it last?

dieg777
08-29-2004, 12:28 PM
see http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=551105626

I think it will work the same as this but someone else may know better

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Da_Godfatha
08-29-2004, 02:34 PM
The problem with MW50, the motor is normaly ruined after using it. Too much and the motors has a heart attack.

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IL2-chuter
08-29-2004, 04:05 PM
That's the nitrous oxide. You can't use it below the critical altitude of the engine, except, of course, in the game. The only thing you should be able to use on the deck is water or water/methanol which allows the engine to use its ability to overboost itself below its critical altitude without detonating. In the game all WEP appears to to the same thing.

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3.JG51_Stecher
08-29-2004, 04:17 PM
The boost called Erh√¬∂hte Notleistung is quite different from the GM-1 Nitrous Oxide and the MW-50 Methanol Water systems. GM-1 does have the altitude restriction, where it will either not work at all or destroy the engine. MW-50 must be enabled below 100% throttle and cannot be used for very long before the engine sustains damage. The Erh√¬∂hte Notleistung injects extra fuel and can be engaged at any time and kept on. It will not run out, as long as you have fuel, of course.

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pres_
08-29-2004, 11:31 PM
3./JG51_Stecher, thank you. Now I know how to use it.

moksha
08-30-2004, 01:33 AM
Mebbe daft-but do all boost systems come under the heading WEp in FB/AEP?

TY

Jasko76
08-30-2004, 01:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by moksha:
Mebbe daft-but do all boost systems come under the heading WEp in FB/AEP?

TY<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not sure what you mean m8, but we have WEP (War Emergency Power), MW-50 (Methanol-Water injection) and Erh√¬∂hte Notleisting, which is basically the same as WEP.

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F19_Ob
08-30-2004, 01:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by moksha:
Mebbe daft-but do all boost systems come under the heading WEp in FB/AEP?

TY<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



All boost systems are labeled under WEP (war emergency power), although some planes enables boost by enabling full throttle = go over 100%

JG53Frankyboy
08-30-2004, 05:18 AM
in gemran planes, roughly:

Kampfleistung = 100%
Start-/Notleistung = 110%
erh√¬∂hte Notleisung = additonal fuelinjection like in Fw190A5/A6/A8/A9/F8/D9'44
Sondernotleistung = MW50

GM1 is something special, because you could use it ALWAYS above the rated altitude of the engine. it "just" eleminated the lack of oxygen above that alt so the engine could keep its rated power at much higher alt.

Kaesebrot.
08-30-2004, 05:31 AM
The Best Way to avoid engine damage caused by MW50 is to enable it before you start the engine. MW50 is automatically only used at 100% Power or more.

I dont remember how long mw50 lasts, someone on our german forum figured it out once.. i believe it was 25 Minutes or something like that.

I only use it for taking off and combat situations, while radiator opened. While bnz‚¬īing
you should use mw50 to climb, then decrease power while diving with open radiator. That way the engine doesnt overheat. The only situation that can become quite hairy is when you try to escape with climbing...

mortoma
08-30-2004, 09:04 AM
Lots of people say you have to engage MW-50 before you take off or that if you use it too long your engine will self destruct, yada, yada, yada. But I never abide by either rule and have never had anything but a perfectly running engine when I land at the end of the mission. The only thing I do is engage it very quicky when bandits are spotted. I reduce to ide, engage it and when done I do the opposite, no problems experienced, not ever. Reducing to idle for a second or two will not cause you to lose much energy or speed or disadvantage you in any way.

Kaesebrot.
08-30-2004, 11:04 AM
FACT: If U use it at 110%, the engine *will* currupt.

Try it

IL2-chuter
08-30-2004, 12:23 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 3.JG51_Stecher:
The boost called Erh√¬∂hte Notleistung is quite different from the GM-1 Nitrous Oxide and the MW-50 Methanol Water systems. GM-1 does have the altitude restriction, where it will either not work at all or destroy the engine. MW-50 must be enabled below 100% throttle and cannot be used for very long before the engine sustains damage. The Erh√¬∂hte Notleistung injects extra fuel and can be engaged at any time and kept on. It will not run out, as long as you have fuel, of course.[QUOTE]


Correct http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif(I'm slipping, so don't take this post blindly), that would be an MW50 system without the MW50 storage (saves weight). It would spray the fuel into supercharger and was not as effective as MW50, but worked. Would lose its effectiveness as altitude increased, just like MW50 system (needs overboosting to work).

By the way, that was why, though direct fuel injection was considered for American engines it wasn't used. A single pressure carb (mechanical throttle body injection) was used ahead of the supercharger and water or fuel could augment overboosting quite easily. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Bottom line: In the game it all appears to be the same. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif That's complicated engine management.

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moksha
08-30-2004, 03:58 PM
TY all. I was a bit unclear- was really asking if different boosts had to be engaged one at a time/were assigned dif keys from wep KEY. Looks like engaging wep and or running at 110 % does the trick.

Cheers.

3.JG51_Stecher
08-31-2004, 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by IL2-chuter:
Bottom line: In the game it all appears to be the same. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif That's complicated engine management.
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I must be missing your point. What exactly do you mean is the same?

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NorrisMcWhirter
08-31-2004, 10:02 AM
Hi,

'Erhohte Notleistung' can be engaged at any time in supporting 190A series a/c; I've certainly never blown an engine up swatting the boost key whilst over 100%.

In fact, a good escape trick in these planes is to go 110% throttle, Erhohte Notleistung engaged, and set prop pitch to manual 100%.

However, only do it for a short time (this plane isn't a Spit and actually overheats) and watch what you're doing in a dive cos of over-revving, but you'll leave most things behind with this stunt.

Cheers,
Norris

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