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Osirisx9
08-23-2004, 10:25 PM
S~ all . Due to the oversaturation of Latewar servers, Birds of Prey FR will be running Burma Type missions featuring 39-42/43 aircraft . The aircraft that are on the server are as follows: P-40m, hurricane 2c and 2b, spitfire 5vb, Buffalo, Zero m2 and M52a. We will also be enabling one of the early 109s, because the zeros are unable to carry bombs in the game. Also, the Ju87 will be used as a Japanese dive bomber. We also enabled Freindly Icons and very very limited foe Icons on the server.

RAF238th Osiris

Osirisx9
08-23-2004, 10:25 PM
S~ all . Due to the oversaturation of Latewar servers, Birds of Prey FR will be running Burma Type missions featuring 39-42/43 aircraft . The aircraft that are on the server are as follows: P-40m, hurricane 2c and 2b, spitfire 5vb, Buffalo, Zero m2 and M52a. We will also be enabling one of the early 109s, because the zeros are unable to carry bombs in the game. Also, the Ju87 will be used as a Japanese dive bomber. We also enabled Freindly Icons and very very limited foe Icons on the server.

RAF238th Osiris

WTE_Galway
08-23-2004, 10:52 PM
thought the P51B was common in Burma in that period

Lt.Davis
08-23-2004, 11:08 PM
Finally a good 39-43 server.

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Translated:
"Let the whites of your bones, but do not show the whites of your eyes"

XyZspineZyX
08-23-2004, 11:51 PM
When you guys do some real early war stuff, like Zero a6m2s vs. Hurricane *ONE*s, not the cannon-armed IIs, and P40-Es instead of the later war ANZAC -Ms, and stop the typical sandbagging with Spits V that weren't there in any appreciable numbers until late '43 (they couldn't even get Spit Is in the far east!!!), maybe it'll be of interest. Until you can get it halfway right, don't EVEN call it historical.

And NO, there were no P-51Bs in Burma. P-40Bs.

I suggest a few people pick up and READ a book and skip the next john wayne marathon. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

It's so typical of this community to skip all the parts of the war where the allies weren't winning and just go right to the part when they start kicking butt. Or, if that doesn't exist, what the hell, just make it up.

geetarman
08-24-2004, 08:12 AM
Fine Stigler - give us a P-40E. It's a better plane than the "M."

Osirisx9
08-24-2004, 09:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
When you guys do some real early war stuff, like Zero a6m2s vs. Hurricane *ONE*s, not the cannon-armed IIs, and P40-Es instead of the later war ANZAC -Ms, and stop the typical sandbagging with Spits V that weren't there in any appreciable numbers until late '43 (they couldn't even get Spit Is in the far east!!!), maybe it'll be of interest. Until you can get it halfway right, don't EVEN call it historical.

And NO, there were no P-51Bs in Burma. P-_40_Bs.

I suggest a few people pick up and READ a book and skip the next john wayne marathon. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

It's so typical of this community to skip all the parts of the war where the allies weren't winning and just go right to the part when they start kicking butt. Or, if that doesn't exist, what the hell, just make it up.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whats with the attitude???. And first off I said Burma type missions. I didn't say historical. Also Its funny that you don't mention that there is also a 109E on the maps. Oh and why dont we throw in some realistic scenery. Oops I guess we dont have historical scenery too so I guess the missions are not historical from the start. If you dont want to fly on the server because of this then go start your own perfect little server.

RAF238thOsiris

T_O_A_D
08-24-2004, 09:11 AM
Pretty friendly Post Stiglr http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Lets try and do better ok http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2004, 09:19 AM
I'm sorry. I posted this at the end of a long and frustrating day.

I have to admit, I get a bit worked up at the constant stream of ahistorical, pipedream, Allied-centric sandbagging setups I see everywhere. We have so many tools to be able to set things up historically or very close to it, but people continually go out of their way to "dweeb" it up, and make it sillier, or just to fit into their propogandist view. And this is from the side that won the war. Unbelievable.

I just wouldn't call this map "Burma", because it simply bears no resemblance to any of the fighting there.

JG52Russkly
08-24-2004, 09:26 AM
Osiris,

Appreciate the efforts to offer something different from the usual post-1943 DF experience with its usual suspects: 109s, 190s, P51s, P47s, P38s and Spitfires.

Perhaps the Burma composition is not perfect (which of us is and has complete knowledge? Even texts may differ on key aspects of orbat), but certainly a step in the right direction compared to the 'standard' servers.

Thanks.

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T_O_A_D
08-24-2004, 09:29 AM
RGR Stiglr But you know aswell as many that we were taught the one sided bias in our class rooms as kids. Also we both know lashing out doesn't encourage anyone. So if you would like to post some facts in a more tutorial manor I'm sure all would appreciate it in the end.

Then again maybe you can make the missions you so desire, and offer them to those guys here that have the resources to host them? This would make you and them Happy I'm sure.

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Extreme_One
08-24-2004, 09:38 AM
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Osirisx9
08-24-2004, 09:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
I'm sorry. I posted this at the end of a long and frustrating day.

I have to admit, I get a bit worked up at the constant stream of ahistorical, pipedream, Allied-centric sandbagging setups I see everywhere. We have so many tools to be able to set things up historically or very close to it, but people continually go out of their way to "dweeb" it up, and make it sillier, or just to fit into their propogandist view. And this is from the side that won the war. Unbelievable.

I just wouldn't call this map "Burma", because it simply bears no resemblance to any of the fighting there.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Personally I could care less about what you call anything. I wouldn't call you an expert on matters concening WW2 because you bear no resemblance at all of being an expert on anything. Like I said ealier if you dont like the server then dont fly on it. Go start your own server. Perhaps your not an expert on running servers either. Empty wagons do make the most noise. However I will entertain your idea about taking out the spit five. It didn't get too much flight time on the server yesterday. Its amazing that most of the people who fly on Birds Of Prey can make up their own minds and did choose not to fly thi spit.
Also and this claimed Allied-centric propogandist view that you mentioned. I decided to create the map because I wanted to fly the zeros online again and there are no Jap vs USA and RAF servers around and that I'm a pretty decent zero driver. But I guess your not an expert me either. But if you would take the time to get to know us at Birds Of Prey instead of trolling the forum with your knuckles dragging the ground looking for something to critical about you would know this little fact about myself and about the other admins on the server.

RAF238thOsiris

[This message was edited by Osirisx9 on Tue August 24 2004 at 08:57 AM.]

T_O_A_D
08-24-2004, 09:44 AM
Ok so I think the venting is over with. If not I'll be forced to lock it down.

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Osirisx9
08-24-2004, 09:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Ok so I think the venting is over with. If not I'll be forced to lock it down.

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S~ Toad . No need for that I'm through. I think I said what I needed to say. We at Birds Of Prey just wanted to get away from all the latewar aircraft and offer something different. I will be the first to offer an olive branch and we are open to suggestions at Birds Of Prey. Yesterday was the first time we ran the new setup and we had a pretty good turnout. It will be great if you dont close off the thread. It would help us to tweak the server. But if you do have to close the thread I understand. But from my end I will tone it down.

RAF238thOsiris

Ki_Rin
08-24-2004, 10:25 AM
Well, being raised in any country will give you "the true story" of how they "won" the war, or "lost it becasue of outside interests"....but that is no excuse, one must llok at all available sourse to piece together the "truth" about, at least, wwII, out general topic...I am from Canda, where it's mostly the worst combo of american and residual british propaganda....in fact, this overkill always spurred my interest in the other side, and I find the "exotic" axis stuff mor einteresting than the glut of usa/brit info I have access to....I believe myself reasonably well-informed of german and japanese info, though, less of italian and russian stuff...but I do have a pretty good ideea overall...plus, my parents came from germany..my mom was in berlin throughout the war, and though a civilian, she has some good insight into those things which affected her...my grandfather served in WWI, and again, as a army sgt in WWII, serving in france, norway, and ukriane ( he died in russian POW camp 45 or 46)...my father was from berlin, and from there to baltic coast, then to just inside 1939 border poland, then to czech, then back into germany, in front of the advancing red army...he passed by dresden, at the time of the firebombing, and also saw the aftermath of allied straffing attacks on released french POWS...

anyhow....I will be visiting birds of prey, I like the idea of no great bloody uberfests of Lame 7s and ki84Crutches flying about...a refreshing change, to be sure...LUV my M2s...

speaking of M2s, does anyone here realize that the M2 would lose power from fuel starvation in neg G? bet a lot of you didn't...seems oleg didnt know either...not that I want that fixed, of course, hehehehe

and stiglr, I DO appriecate your sense of historical accuracy, and the appearant lack of it amongst many in this community, remember, that this new sever planeset did not purport to be historically accurate...at least it does not feature "great bloody" lame 7s, ki84Crutches, and the like...it's a step in the right direction, at least...

maybe you, and in fact everyone else should visit AFJ BOLILLO's server, whenever it is up...he always features only 2 or 3 types in his server, reflecting a historical matchup, with the bonus of very very little to no lag...

Chill, Stiglr, I feel your pain, sir, but chill, lol...perhaps you can host a game, with truly historical ( as historical as FB can get) flavor?...

dont come down hard on stiglr, ppl, listen to his views, and listening, even if you dont like it, is the best way to learn and grow...<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
RGR Stiglr But you know aswell as many that we were taught the one sided bias in our class rooms as kids. Also we both know lashing out doesn't encourage anyone. So if you would like to post some facts in a more tutorial manor I'm sure all would appreciate it in the end.

Then again maybe you can make the missions you so desire, and offer them to those guys here that have the resources to host them? This would make you and them Happy I'm sure.

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Irish_JG26
08-24-2004, 10:27 AM
S~ Lads,

Good effort on the Burma sever. I like the old planes and the 109E is close enough to the Kawasaki (tony) to be ok as a sub until we get better. The Stuka makes a pretty credible Kate when painted up right.

JG26_Irish

XyZspineZyX
08-24-2004, 11:33 AM
Oops, forgot, no Tonys in Burma either (although, where they appeared, a 109E is a pretty good substitution). Try Lae, Nadzab, and other New Guinea areas.

I find it funny how defensive people get when others point out simple (but accurate) things that show how they're doing the usual Allied sandbagging. You'll notice I didn't say anything about being "an expert", but if you check what I posted, you'll likely find I'm right. So, being an expert or not is irrelevant.

Why is it nobody will fly (or even field) a Hurri I? Or a Spit I? Is it because they know the overmodelled "can't miss" Hispano twin cannon pack will vaporize anything just by tapping the trigger? Inquiring minds would like to know.

End suggestion: if you're gonna do Burma, then do Burma. P-40E/Hurricane I/Buffalo/Blenheim vs. A6M2 Zero/Ki-43/Stuka (subbing for Val and Ann)/He111 (subbing for Betty, Nell and Ki-21).

BfHeFwMe
08-24-2004, 11:52 AM
So whats the server name and times your running it?

Can't get so picky, only have two Zero's and from different time frames. How can you possibly do realism to spec thats fun with only one plane, but fun alone will do just dandy.

TheGozr
08-24-2004, 12:00 PM
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