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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 07:17 PM
I got a problem with my patch and im not sure if its because I have a ATI 9500Pro 128mb. In game I get my desktop mouse instead of the little yellow FB style mouse so I cant look around plane or press ESC or do anything with my keyboard..

CAN ANYONE HELP ME PLEASE

IM DESPERATE TO PLAY PATCH BUT CANT /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 07:17 PM
I got a problem with my patch and im not sure if its because I have a ATI 9500Pro 128mb. In game I get my desktop mouse instead of the little yellow FB style mouse so I cant look around plane or press ESC or do anything with my keyboard..

CAN ANYONE HELP ME PLEASE

IM DESPERATE TO PLAY PATCH BUT CANT /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 08:16 PM
I think I had a similar problem before. Just press the windows key on your keyboard and then select Il2 on the toolbar. This should allow you to be able to play.

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 08:38 PM
WHeres the tool bar?
anyone help

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 08:43 PM
alt+tab

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 08:48 PM
Ive tried that...

still dont get my FB Mouse...I mean I can click on all the stuff in game with my desktop mouse...just cant look around my plane when flying and cant press ESC because I dont have FB Mouse

i think its a bug and im the only one who has it

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ShadowHawk__
08-12-2003, 08:48 PM
I had that problem once or twice pre-patch, you just have to minimize out of the game and go back in and it's fixed.

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 08:51 PM
ive tried that...

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 09:00 PM
I have the same card and experience no such trouble.. Doesn't help you much but..

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 09:01 PM
But????

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 09:07 PM
I had a similar problem but re-installed DirectX and it fixed it.

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 09:09 PM
I use openGL

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 09:12 PM
I've had something similar happen in the past when using HL. In my case it had more to do with me messing around with other programs while a mission was loading up. I would have to use the windows key to go back to the desktop and then right click on the FB program running in the task bar. Sometimes it took more than one try and there was always a lengthy delay for it kick back in.

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 09:12 PM
Try asking in the Tech. support forum and send an email to the bug report address: Bug Reporting enables you to get across information about irregularities, problems, bugs and other defects in FB version 1.1b directly to 1C:Maddox Games via e-mail (special mailbox il2beta@1c.ru is issued to collect your information). You can also use the Bug Report to give us feedback on certain issues.
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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 09:16 PM
nixon-fiend wrote:
- I have the same card and experience no such
- trouble.. Doesn't help you much but..
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-

I have the same card as well no trouble except for the patch over all LOL

sound is cuting down buy half have to view other ac with shift+f2 to get sound back to normal

the lag COUGHHHHHHHHHHH is not any better least not in the servers I was in


The crashed planes all that smoke & fire lasts wayyyyyyyy too long

other things are real cool like dust the new pp the water mist This patch is going to need some rework I can tell u that right now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif(

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 09:17 PM
Usually that happens when you get into windows control. Try hitting the windows key (the second from the left on the bottom), then click on "Il-2" in the task bar. Let me know if that works for you, I have an old ATI card too. -jim-

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 09:44 PM
Im getting the same problems here... Cant escape and have windows cursor http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif And have tryed all of the above

Got a ATI 9700 pro

your not alone

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 10:02 PM
Well
at least im not alone...

Ive tried everything all you people have said...still cant play the damn game properly /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 10:06 PM
ATI 9000...did you simply try opening the game, and NOT clicking anything.

Usually when I press a button or click my desktop after I launch the game. It happens, cant click a darned thing, and Alt-Tab doesn't help. For me the only way to fix it is just click the program icon and dont do anything...if it still happens click the icon, then click the program when it appears in the taskbar.

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 10:09 PM
Dreamer, I have that too if I touch the mouse while loading. Hitting the windows key should take you back to windows, alt-tab doesn't seem to help. -jim-

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 10:22 PM
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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 10:27 PM
CGDreamerX wrote:
- ATI 9000...did you simply try opening the game, and
- NOT clicking anything.
-
- Usually when I press a button or click my desktop
- after I launch the game. It happens, cant click a
- darned thing, and Alt-Tab doesn't help. For me the
- only way to fix it is just click the program icon
- and dont do anything...if it still happens click the
- icon, then click the program when it appears in the
- taskbar.

My experience too - doubleclick the FB Icon then *hands off* the mouse until the game starts. There are a few moments after you have started the program before you get any graphical response. Just don´t touch anything in those few seconds or you won´t get the IL2 mouse in-game.

/Jilli

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 10:29 PM
I have not yet installed the patch, but I have an ATI Radeon 9000 Pro and I get the problem you describe all the time. I usually find that going to Windows desktop and retutning in throught the taskbar helps, but not always. Also helps to give it a few sceonds to stabilize. Good luck.

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 10:29 PM
About the esc problems add the following to the conf.ini file:

[HotKey gui]
Escape=activate

Solved it for me.

Since the esc problem is related to the conf.ini file, and it seems like most people that have the esc problem also have the mouse problem, I´d guess that the mouse problem is also related to the conf.ini file. If someone without the problems would post their config (or point me in the direction where a complete conf.ini file is listed) I think I should be able to solve the problem.

BTW no amount of alt+tab, waiting, not clicking or so on solves the mouse problem for me.



Message Edited on 08/12/0309:32PM by Raffw

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 10:45 PM
Conf file was probably overwritten by patch... always save your conf file /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 11:39 PM
Hi again...

yep escape prob fixed

[HotKey gui]
Escape=activate

That worked fine thx for that...

-also cant open consolhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
gonna be a config jobby also i guess

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 08:07 AM
Dont work for me...

Where do i put the [HotKey gui]
Escape=activate


I put it at the bottom and it didnt work /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 08:40 AM
Same problem here.
If the windows key dosent minimize game , just press ctrl+alt+del and select CANSEL.then game is minimized.Then just maximize it from tool bar and mouse will work again.



btw don´t use Alt+Tab game can crash(in IL-2 & fb)


Message Edited on 08/13/0309:42AM by Nikodemus-LH

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 09:32 AM
It worked first time with me... make sure its saved http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and in the correct config file... theres another one there that looks similar.

Its at least playable when you can escape and your not stuck there not being able to quit. Still cant get into consol or chat. I dont use mouse so that dosent worry me too much.
If anyone does know what we need to put in config file to correct these... Ill buy you a virtual pint!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 10:00 AM
Thanks
I got ESC thing working now...Now i just need to get config file of someone......... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 10:19 AM
TG .... this is my FB patched Config INI file as requested http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


[il2]
title=Il2-Sturmovik Forgotten Battles
hotkeys=HotKey game

[window]
width=1152
height=864
ColourBits=32
DepthBits=24
StencilBits=8
ChangeScreenRes=1
FullScreen=1
DrawIfNotFocused=0
EnableResize=0
EnableClose=1
SaveAspect=1
Use3Renders=0

[GLPROVIDER]
GL=Opengl32.dll

[GLPROVIDERS]
Open GL=Opengl32.dll
DirectX=dx8wrap.dll

[NET]
speed=10000
routeChannels=0
serverChannels=5
localPort=21000
remotePort=21000
SkinDownload=1
serverName=WUAF RULZ !!
serverDescription=
remoteHost=24.162.28.82
localHost=
socksHost=
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=0

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=10.0
nearMaxLagTime=2.0
cheaterWarningDelay=5.0
cheaterWarningNum=-1

[chat]
region=(dx=0.7786458,dy=0.074074075,x=-8.6805556E-4,y=0.018518519)
adr0=ALL
msg5=\u0020<~~\u0020says\u0020\u0020"\u0020Hello\u0020All\u0020"
msg0=\u0020\u0020\u0020.\u0020Good\u0020shot\u0020 !
msg1=\u0020\u0020.\u0020Good\u0020kill\u0020
msg8=\u0020`\u0020.\u0020i\u0020Got\u0020one\u0020 !
msg6=\u0020`\u0020.\u0020Surrender\u0020&\u0020land\u0020your\u0020planes\u0020Now\u0020!!
msg7=\u0020..\u0020im\u0020not\u0020gunna\u0020die \u0020early\u0020..\u0020im\u0020not\u0020gunna\u0 020die\u0020early\u0020..\u0020im\u0020not\u0020gu nna\u0020die\u0020early\u0020.
msg9=\u0020.\u0020check\u0020your\u0020Six\u0020!\ u0020!\u0020!\u0020
adr1=MY_ARMY
msg4=\u0020.\u0020Dont\u0020shoot\u0020\u0020!\u00 20!\u0020.\u0020\u0020im\u0020blue\u0020\u0020!\u0 020\u0020!
msg3=\u0020.\u0020.\u0020.\u0020up\u0020.\u0020.\u 0020up\u0020.\u0020&\u0020.\u0020away\u0020!\u0020!
autoLogDetail=3
msg2=`2\u0020min

[game]
Arcade=0
HighGore=1
mapPadX=0.6692708
mapPadY=-0.046296295
viewSet=34
Intro=0
NoSubTitles=1
NoChatter=1
NoHudLog=0
NoLensFlare=1
iconTypes=2
eventlog=eventlog.lst
eventlogkeep=0


[HotKey game]
PrintScreen=ScreenShot
P=pause
Pause=pause

[HotKey gui]
Escape=activate

[HookViewFly Config]
timeFirstStep=2.0
deltaZ=10.0

[HookView]
MouseLeft=Len

[HookView Config]
AzimutSpeed=0.1
TangageSpeed=0.1
LenSpeed=1.0
MinLen=1.0
DefaultLen=20.0
MaxLen=3000.0
Speed=6

[HotKey builder]
MouseLeft=objectMove
MouseRight=popupmenu
Enter=freeView
Shift MouseLeft=worldZoom
Alt MouseLeft=select+
Alt MouseRight=select-
Alt Ctrl=unselect
PageDown=change+
PageUp=change-
End=change++
Home=change--
Ctrl MouseLeft=insert+
Insert=insert+
NumPad-0=insert+
F=fill
Ctrl MouseRight=delete+
NumPad.=delete+
Delete=delete+
Backspace=cursor
Tab=cursor
F10=land
F11=onLand
NumPad-=normalLand
NumPad+=toLand
NumPad-5=resetAngles
NumPad-8=resetTangage90
NumPad-7=stepAzimut-5
NumPad-4=stepAzimut-15
NumPad-1=stepAzimut-30
NumPad-9=stepAzimut5
NumPad-6=stepAzimut15
NumPad-3=stepAzimut30

[MouseXYZ]
F1=SpeedSlow
F2=SpeedNormal
F3=SpeedFast
MouseRight=XYmove
F4 MouseRight=Zmove
MouseMiddle=Amove
F5 MouseRight=Amove
F6 MouseRight=Tmove
F7 MouseRight=Kmove

[MouseXYZ Config]
RealTime=1

[HotKey Console]
Shift Tab=Activate
[Console]
HISTORY=1024
HISTORYCMD=1024
LOAD=console.cmd
SAVE=console.cmd
LOG=0
LOGTIME=0
LOGFILE=log.lst
LOGKEEP=0

[sound]
SoundUse=1
SoundEngine=1
Speakers=0
Placement=0
SoundFlags.reversestereo=0
RadioFlags.Enabled=0
RadioEngine=2
MusicVolume=0
ObjectVolume=14
MusState.takeoff=0
MusState.inflight=0
MusState.crash=0
MusFlags.play=0
MasterVolume=14
Attenuation=7
SoundMode=1
SamplingRate=2
NumChannels=2
SoundExt.occlusions=0
SoundFlags.hardware=1
SoundFlags.streams=1
SoundFlags.duplex=1
SoundExt.acoustics=0
SoundExt.volumefx=0
SoundFlags.voicemgr=0
SoundFlags.static=1
VoiceVolume=12
Channels=2
SoundExt.extrender=0
SoundFlags.bugscorrect=0
SoundSetupId=9
ActivationLevel=0.02
Preemphasis=0.85
RadioLatency=0.5
AGC=1
PTTMode=1
SoundFlags.UseRadioChatter=0
SoundFlags.AutoActivation=0
RadioFlags.PTTMode=0
RadioFlags.PlayClicks=0
ActLevel=0
MicLevel=0

[rts]
ProcessAffinityMask=1
mouseUse=2
joyUse=1
trackIRUse=1
DisableIME=0
locale=

[rts_mouse]
SensitivityX=1.0
SensitivityY=1.0
Invert=0
SensitivityZ=1.0

[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=0
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1Y=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1RZ=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0

[Render_DirectX]
TexQual=3
TexMipFilter=2
TexCompress=0
TexFlags.UseDither=1
TexFlags.UseAlpha=0
TexFlags.UseIndex=0
TexFlags.PolygonStipple=1
TexFlags.UseClampedSprites=0
TexFlags.DrawLandByTriangles=1
TexFlags.UseVertexArrays=1
TexFlags.DisableAPIExtensions=0
TexFlags.ARBMultitextureExt=1
TexFlags.TexEnvCombineExt=1
TexFlags.SecondaryColorExt=1
TexFlags.VertexArrayExt=1
TexFlags.ClipHintExt=0
TexFlags.UsePaletteExt=0
TexFlags.TexAnisotropicExt=0
TexFlags.TexCompressARBExt=1
TexFlags.TexEnvCombine4NV=0
TexFlags.TexEnvCombineDot3=0
TexFlags.DepthClampNV=0
TexFlags.SeparateSpecular=0
TexFlags.TextureShaderNV=0

HardwareShaders=0

Shadows=2
Specular=2
SpecularLight=2
DiffuseLight=2
DynamicalLights=1
MeshDetail=2
VisibilityDistance=3

Sky=2
Forest=2
LandShading=3
LandDetails=2

LandGeom=2
TexLarge=1
TexLandQual=3
TexLandLarge=1

VideoSetupId=4

[Render_OpenGL]
TexQual=3
TexMipFilter=2
TexCompress=0
TexFlags.UseDither=1
TexFlags.UseAlpha=0
TexFlags.UseIndex=0
TexFlags.PolygonStipple=1
TexFlags.UseClampedSprites=0
TexFlags.DrawLandByTriangles=1
TexFlags.UseVertexArrays=1
TexFlags.DisableAPIExtensions=0
TexFlags.ARBMultitextureExt=1
TexFlags.TexEnvCombineExt=1
TexFlags.SecondaryColorExt=1
TexFlags.VertexArrayExt=1
TexFlags.ClipHintExt=0
TexFlags.UsePaletteExt=0
TexFlags.TexAnisotropicExt=1
TexFlags.TexCompressARBExt=1

TexFlags.TexEnvCombine4NV=1
TexFlags.TexEnvCombineDot3=1
TexFlags.DepthClampNV=1
TexFlags.SeparateSpecular=1
TexFlags.TextureShaderNV=1

HardwareShaders=0

Shadows=1
Specular=2
SpecularLight=2
DiffuseLight=2
DynamicalLights=1
MeshDetail=2
VisibilityDistance=3

Sky=1
Forest=1
LandShading=2
LandDetails=1

LandGeom=2
TexLarge=1
TexLandQual=3
TexLandLarge=0

VideoSetupId=2

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 10:23 AM
ALL PEOPLE WHO HAD MOUSE PROBLEM COPY AND PASTE THAT CONFIG.INI THAT BADSIGHT GAVE
IT SOLVES MOUES PROBLEM AND ESCAPE PROBLEM...

IF YOUR MOUSE GOES LIKE THAT....COPY AND PASTE BADISGHTS CONFIG.INI INTO YOURS...

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 08:02 PM
Thanks a bunch! Real helpfull. Will let the rest of you know when/if I find something.

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 08:10 PM
Added the following to my conf.ini, and it solved the mouse problem:
[rts]
ProcessAffinityMask=1
mouseUse=2
joyUse=1
trackIRUse=1
DisableIME=0
locale=

Also the entire [game] heading is missing in my conf, copied it to.

Thanks once again WUAF_Badsight!

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 12:43 PM
Raffw wrote:
- Added the following to my conf.ini, and it solved
- the mouse problem:
- [rts]
- ProcessAffinityMask=1
- mouseUse=2
- joyUse=1
- trackIRUse=1
- DisableIME=0
- locale=
-
- Also the entire [game] heading is missing in my
- conf, copied it to.
-
- Thanks once again WUAF_Badsight!



Yes, i had same thing missing on conf.ini!!

Thanks WUAF_Badsight, you saved my day! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 02:27 PM
WUAFs are all very kind...perhaps kindest Squad of all /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif . Greetings from the BBBs and ty for that helpful config. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Petrus
member of the Butcher Bird Brotherhood