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CaptainGelo
04-24-2004, 01:03 PM
I think it ain fair for poor guys who dont have trackir and can't do this....and I think its kinde cheating.....


what do you think about it?

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CaptainGelo
04-24-2004, 01:03 PM
I think it ain fair for poor guys who dont have trackir and can't do this....and I think its kinde cheating.....


what do you think about it?

LA7
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Yak9U
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BF109K4

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Snow_Wolf_
04-24-2004, 01:04 PM
lol when did humans learn to turn there heads like owl lol

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TgD Thunderbolt56
04-24-2004, 01:08 PM
A TrackIR nOOb. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

I don't mean to sound insensitive, but this horse is dead. it's been beaten, slaughtered and sent to the glue factory. If you think it's unfair, don't use it.



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Xnomad
04-24-2004, 01:08 PM
Yeah I've got TrackIR and I don't do this, it doesn't look realistic, plus for most of the planes I fly the view back when zoomed out is sufficient. The thing is that in a BF 109 G-2 you get a better idea of what the headrest looks like and that a real pilot could probably lean his head a bit more and look past it more than we can do now. Plus if you ask me I think it's cheating too.

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CaptainGelo
04-24-2004, 01:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thunderbolt56:
A TrackIR nOOb. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

I don't mean to sound insensitive, but this horse is dead. it's been beaten, slaughtered and sent to the glue factory. If you think it's unfair, don't use it.



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well maybe its about time to bring that horse to live, maybe get it changed in PF and BOB......

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CaptainGelo
04-24-2004, 01:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xnomad:
that a real pilot could probably lean his head a bit more and look past it more than we can do now.
http://www.xnomad.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/sig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

why not make so every1 can do that then?

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arcadeace
04-24-2004, 01:13 PM
It does put some light on the subject http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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BlitzPig_DDT
04-24-2004, 01:38 PM
How/why does TiR make this possible? Not that it's really a big deal anyway.

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LEBillfish
04-24-2004, 01:50 PM
LOL.......I REFUSE TO FLY EXTERNALS AND ESPECIALLY PADLOCK!!!!!! I DEMAND FULL REAL!!!
(so sayeth the man with Track IR)....

SEE, THEY FALL AT THE MENTION OF MY AWSOME SKILLS.....I AM A GOD OF AIR COMBAT!!!
(so sayeth the man with Track IR who Vulches)...

MY S.A. SKILLS ARE SUPERIOR TO ALL OTHERS, I WILL WIN THROUGH THE REFLEXES OF A DEMON IN THAT I AM THE ULTIMATE PREDATOR!!!
(so sayeth the man with Track I.R. who's S.A. skills entail flying full real after checking to make sure his opponents don't have it).........

___________ ______________ ___________ ________ *silence*
(so sayeth the man with track i.r. who's track I.R. died as he won't be flying "full real")...

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VF-2_John_Banks
04-24-2004, 02:13 PM
It is possible due to a "bug" in FB. When the new TrackIR software has been written for FB, Oleg changes something, with the result, that this 6 o'clock view is possible. Matter of fact, it's only possible with the old software, the current TrackIR software only allows the normal FOV.

SeaFireLIV
04-24-2004, 02:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by oleg86:

well maybe its about time to bring that horse to live, maybe get it changed in PF and BOB......

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WHOA! I didn`t know TIR could do this. Those TIR users kept quiet about that. It`s almost a cheat. (Although I guess you could turn right around in your aircraft seat if you bunched up, but then you`d lose control of your aircraft in R\L).

Glad you posted this!

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BlitzPig_DDT
04-24-2004, 02:34 PM
I guess my microstick on my Cougar controlling my mouse is also a "cheat" lol.

IDK. I can see this having only mild benefit, if any at all. It's really no big deal.

A BP posted in our private forum something about Oleg making a change to allow the mouse only crew (which would include me, I just don't have to take my hand of my HOTAS to move it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) to do this.

Sounds like from what JB said, that it's been resovled without the need for such drastic action. I would hope that this doesn't come to pass, only because it's a reduction in realism. Better to just force the TiR set to conform to what the rest of us have to deal with.

Either way, I'll fight against TiR users in Full Difficulty just the same. It's not that big a deal. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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VMF-214_HaVoK
04-24-2004, 02:35 PM
Ahh yes...the old Linda Blair cheat. Lame isnt it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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VF-2_John_Banks
04-24-2004, 02:49 PM
In another forum, somebody mentioned, that it is a new feature of the upcomming patch. That's weird, cause i have the beta05 and i couldn't check my 6 that way. I know that it was possible with the old 3.00 TrackIR software but not with the current 3.3 one.
I have also read, that the same view is available for "newview" users.

SeaFireLIV
04-24-2004, 02:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Ahh yes...the old Linda Blair cheat. Lame isnt it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is that what the Linda Blair thing was about? I always wondered, still don`t understand the connection... but I`m probably being dense.

CaptainGelo
04-24-2004, 03:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VF-2_John_Banks:
It is possible due to a "bug" in FB. When the new TrackIR software has been written for FB, Oleg changes something, with the result, that this 6 o'clock view is possible. Matter of fact, it's only possible with the old software, the current TrackIR software only allows the normal FOV.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have new Trackir software and it still works...

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Prof.Wizard
04-24-2004, 03:01 PM
Jee, what people do for a better view!

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CaptainGelo
04-24-2004, 03:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
I guess my microstick on my Cougar controlling my mouse is also a "cheat" lol.
http://www.blitzpigs.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


what does it have to do with this, can you turn your had 180* with it?, no...so......be gone! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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WUAF_Badsight
04-24-2004, 03:06 PM
it has everything to do with TrackIR's software & nothing to do with FB at all

its not a cheat ..... its what you get for having TrackIR


loads of gadgets give you more funtionality than if you only have the game installed & a single Joystick

BlitzPig_DDT
04-24-2004, 03:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
it has everything to do with TrackIR's software & nothing to do with FB at all

its not a cheat ..... its what you get for having TrackIR


loads of gadgets give you more funtionality than if you only have the game installed & a single Joystick<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which is why I mentioned my Cougar's microstick. That's the direction this kind of thing heads in. Soon HOTAS's, rudder pedals, huge monitors (or projectors), and monster machines will all be considered "cheats" if this like of "thinking" is taken all the way.

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SeaFireLIV
04-24-2004, 03:21 PM
But BlitzPig_DDT, WUAF Badsight, I`m afraid you`re wrong. I for one am all for this extra `immersion ` stuff. I`m looking to purchase rudder pedals. I have Voice Communication software to communicate with AI personal and the Tower. I use my Mouse wheel as a much more effective throttle, I also use the Mouse like a TIR (which in my opinion much better than the Hatswitch), but they don`t let me break my neck backwards `OMEN` style!

Dear, oh dear. This is a cat out of the bag, isn`t it. The ability to see behind in a pinch is a real advantage IMHO. Just important to know...

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arjisme
04-24-2004, 03:24 PM
This isn't an out-of-the-box cheat, though. I just got a TrackIR2 and I can't do this. I thought you had to change some setting in the registry to get this to work. Personally, I have no interest in this. If you like this, you probably also like Wonder Woman view. Fine for those who like it, but it's not for me.

SeaFireLIV
04-24-2004, 03:28 PM
The really ironic thing is it`s the `Full-Real` people (I consider myself as one) who always recommended TIR. Never did anyone mention this Exorcist effect.

I do believe though that the `real` flyers with TIR would NOT use this `extra` ability. They are an honourable bunch usually.

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[This message was edited by SeaFireLIV on Sat April 24 2004 at 02:42 PM.]

BlitzPig_DDT
04-24-2004, 03:28 PM
Well, it's all a matter of perspective really.

For example, with a full HOTAS and Rudder pedal setup, especially a programmable HOTAS, or just one with a zillion DirectX capable buttons (like a Cougar, heh heh), you can map ungodly #s of functions to your rig and never have to take your hand off the keyboard. (for LOMAC, I have a profile I put together that has 47 functions, which equates to about 61 keys) The advantage that can represent over someone who has only a basic stick and keyboard is huge. I don't need to mess with rudder trim as it's easy to hold it, I also have several dials to map trim to for quick, easier access and more finite control (however, I never got into trim fighting, I personally do not like "gaming the game").

With a more powerful system than the people you are fighting against, you can have higher frame rates and better visual quality, again, a distinct advantage.

With a larger monitor, or even a projection set up, you can see things at their full zoom size (or at least larger than on a smaller screen) while still in the wide view.

In fact, I'd even go so far as to say that any of those represent a far greater advantage to someone that has it over those that don't than this little TiR trick.

Proper tactics, and better still, good team mates and comms, will render that essentially useless.

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BlitzPig_DDT
04-24-2004, 03:32 PM
That's just my opinion. I don't really care either way, I would just like to see Oleg leave the view limits in place and perhaps bring the TiR/NewView, or whatever, guys down to the same level.

But, just for the record I should point out that I do not own or use, nor do I plan to acquire, Track IR. Sticking a reflective dot to my forehead and looking like a CyberPunk Hindu chick, or having to wear a hat with a funky reflector just to play the game, and having to turn my head a few inches while looking back at the screen to still see, is not my idea of a good time or immersive experience. lol

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LW_lcarp
04-24-2004, 03:37 PM
Ive been ripped off then! I have TrackIR and I cant do that, I only get the normal POV. I want my money back. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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LuftLuver
04-24-2004, 03:39 PM
No wonder!!!

I've pulled behind guys, careful not to give myself away, yet they seem to posess rear SA that is beyond and above all other players. This is just like Formula One racing - victory through cash.

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SeaFireLIV
04-24-2004, 03:41 PM
Oh yea. Exorcists not omen, I knew I had it wrong! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Xnomad
04-24-2004, 03:42 PM
Lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif do people actually read other peoples posts? TrackIR CAN STILL do this BUT you have to ENABLE it in the registry. OK? And if anybody has ever seen the exorcist, the little girl who was possessed turned her head around 360 degrees. She was called Linda Blair hence the name 'Linda Blair View'. Next!

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LeadSpitter_
04-24-2004, 03:44 PM
yup thats why oleg needs to map player head movement to the hatswitch, trackir and mouse cursor, so we can see in tracks if someone is using the trackir1 2 beta drivers exploit which is a huge advantage.

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
04-24-2004, 03:50 PM
so thats why all those titanium pony's can see me when im on their low DIRECT six ,yes it could be sound exploit "another cheat" but when im more then 500m away and idle the engine they still pick me up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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LEBillfish
04-24-2004, 04:19 PM
hehe....well though I make light I really have no problems with;
*Rudder pedals, as a twisty stick works just as well......Few sticks without the effect now.
*Large monitors, because as the size increases, the resolution/clarity drops, plus it takes more effort to scan the area....
*Trim wheels, throttles, pitch controls, kewl beans, wish I had them as they are more true to form...yet a keyboard works just as well once used to it...
*NewView...even greater Track I.R.....No problem with someone having that either, though this little "cheat" is rather sad....

etc., etc.,

All in all only 2 things bother me.....
1. A real cheat, like speed hacks, or the guy who suddenly comes on the idea to make default skins for axis all fluorescent pink, allied fluorescent green....etc.
2. Or the folks that scream full real or death knowing they have some advantage in it over most others.

To be frank, the cheaters only cheat themselves, and the others simply have a lesser form of the same need to excel at something when they have a clear advantage.

I never quite got the padlock debate, as clouds, range, and even field of view here cancels it so well...A distraction having you look elsewhere losing the con as clearly as not having it......In truth considering the disadvantages to flying on a pc vs. real life, I'd say it is a very very realistic compromise.

There is no full real here.....Just certain players that are really full of it if they think their claims of realism when holding an advantage garners them any respect with those couple extra kills.

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arjisme
04-24-2004, 05:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sunburst-97th:
so thats why all those titanium pony's can see me when im on their low DIRECT six ,yes it could be sound exploit "another cheat" but when im more then 500m away and idle the engine they still pick me up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm, not sure how this cheat allows anyone to see a bogey in their low 6 position. The plane's fuselage is still there. If this is happening in online games, maybe they "see" you because they are using voice comms and someone told them to break?

T_O_A_D
04-24-2004, 05:27 PM
Yep very old Linda Blair news. I posted pics of it on the old UBI board. Its only a cheat if you do the hack on the TIR drivers as mentioned above. I have not and will not. It is only and advantage in those few aircraft. The rest of them all you see is the back of your seat. Now if your in a open pit server then yes you can se 360 no problem with it enabled that way. Natural point had it enabled in the first few sets of drivers then updated them to take it away but then told everyone the work around to get it back. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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131st_Toad's Squad link (http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
2.11 drivers (http://home.mchsi.com/~131st-vfw/NaturalPoint_trackIR_2_11.exe)
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LEXX_Luthor
04-24-2004, 06:08 PM
I dunno.

I always get beat up for this, molested, but Goludnikov was trained to lean out his I~16 cockpit and see his rudder--don't get excited, I believe he was in one of the better units by far in 1941 VVS.

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mentalFlaws
04-24-2004, 06:13 PM
Well well well this explains alot. So much for Olegs unhackable flight sim. One must wonder.

arcadeace
04-24-2004, 06:16 PM
Nothing personal with you TOAD no doubt you posted similar pics and don't use the reg hack, but for most of us this is news. Maybe it shouldn't matter for me as I only fly offline (though I wonder how many "full real" guys I've gotten a load of ego from who've used it) but its obvious a lot of online guys had NO idea. It never should have been a matter of trust - how many flyers have been shot down with the short end of the deal? Also, I think to be fair even in closed cockpit it should stop at the hatswith FOV, not 360, unless TIR users are restricted to non-bubble canopies. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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CHDT
04-24-2004, 06:37 PM
Total BS.

If you ever sit or fly only once strapped on the seat of a combat aircraft, you would know it's not possible to get such a six a clock view.

But, yes, it's a dead horse.

So let play this way the sissy gamers with no aeronautic knowledge. If they are happy this way, it's good for them.

Cheers,

Elite_Gizz
04-24-2004, 06:50 PM
Although i see some people's worries here it really doesnt bother me..

if a pilot is using Track I.R then he has a advantage over me anyway i would think but i would not know i have never tried it, but im prety good with the HAT anyway, iv nver flown with padlock simply becasue i hate it in all sims i always have...

but really just because he has this axtra view only means he can see my bullets come flying towards him, its only a view and that doesnt mean he can out fly me,

personly im with blitzpig, theres no way im getting dressed up with dots all over me to fly, the wife cracks up as it is when i have my headphones on and screaming "roger" all night, but that i would never live down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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altstiff
04-24-2004, 06:52 PM
Linda Blair can get this view in any plane she sit's in.

See you in the fence....

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TgD Thunderbolt56
04-24-2004, 07:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ar****e:
If this is happening in online games, maybe they "see" you because they are using voice comms and someone told them to break?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


BINGO! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I'm sure people still use it (I still have the early drivers for my TIR1) and in some cases it's an advantage. (I used it for about 2 months), but for the most part, it's only a peculiar oddity that really only helps in a small handful of planes.

I found coms and a good wingman MUCH more effective.



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BuzzU
04-24-2004, 07:53 PM
Big deal. You can see the guy shooting your a$$ full of holes. Now there's an advantage. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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WUAF_Badsight
04-24-2004, 08:21 PM
E X A C T L Y

TrackIR sucks balls in a nocockpit server

without TrackIR i still get kills & kik a$$ with the pit locked

it takes an incredibly small amount to check your six ....... just slightly less with TrackIR , you cant see below your tail as is evident in the pics

some people are so whiney

T_O_A_D
04-24-2004, 09:03 PM
I play in the pit regardless of server settings. So if ya get lucky enough to find me in a no pit room enjoy an easy target. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Have you checked your Private Topics recently? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102)
131st_Toad's Squad link (http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
2.11 drivers (http://home.mchsi.com/~131st-vfw/NaturalPoint_trackIR_2_11.exe)
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Elite_Gizz
04-24-2004, 09:19 PM
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Tully__
04-24-2004, 09:32 PM
Oh so old news. I didn't mind when I first saw it and still don't. I can get near as much vis with mouse view, and even then rarely use that much. It's just too easy to get into trouble when I'm not watching where I'm going http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Jetbuff
04-24-2004, 09:45 PM
Honestly, I found that 180 view more of a hinderance as it really disoriented the CRAP out of me. A little tuning to the speeds, deadzone and PRESTO, no more Linda Blair lawn-darts.

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BuzzU
04-24-2004, 09:54 PM
It's not any different than flying the planes with mirrors. Are you an ace when you use mirrors?

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arcadeace
04-24-2004, 10:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
It's not any different than flying the planes with mirrors. Are you an ace when you use mirrors?

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Ok, and are you an ace flying with a 'guided' reticle?

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04-24-2004, 11:03 PM
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arcadeace
04-25-2004, 12:07 AM
Essentially the discussion is about whether 360 TIR is a cheat or not. I've taken your post about mirrors as an acceptable comparison to justify its use, but who can use mirrors in this game? My comparison to the WW reticle (perfect guidance requiring no deflection) is similar reasoning. If one want's to claim "ace" using TIR one can claim it using WW.

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[This message was edited by arcadeace on Sun April 25 2004 at 02:44 AM.]

CaptainGelo
04-25-2004, 12:36 AM
well, I'm just saying........It's not fair...

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Tully__
04-25-2004, 02:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by oleg86:
well, I'm just saying........It's not fair...

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"Big Bills suck, small Bills don't"&lt;----WRONG!!!! all Bills suck http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Didn't anyone ever tell you.... life isn't always fair http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.


BTW, I don't have and can't afford TIR...

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arcadeace
04-25-2004, 03:07 AM
I don't have it either, but I'm more inclined than ever to get it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Life sux enough http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Extreme_One
04-25-2004, 03:10 AM
This only hapens with the v.1 TrackIR software for me and I HATE IT! If anyone's using later software then they have to manually edit the registry - how many people will be bothered to do that?

If they do then they must be very sad.

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F19_Ob
04-25-2004, 03:50 AM
Well mate there are so many improvements u can do with extra and better equipment.
Im quite poor and I guess those who can afford supersystems with maxmemmory and all gadgets from trackIr to projectors will have an advantage over me. On the otherhand I've always enjoyed to fight on the disadvantage and manage quite well...stretching my tactics and performance in absurdum. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif its just fun.
I dont even use proppitch and hardly know what a slider is.

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VF-2_John_Banks
04-25-2004, 05:22 AM
You get it with the current TIR software as well? That's weird, cause i don't! I can remember reading in the TrackIR forum, that that was a bug due to a change in the FB software, NaturalPoint hasn't been informed about, so the FOV was screwed up. They put a quick fix into the later versions. I got this 6 o'clock view with the first TrackIR2 software as well and it had hardly any benefit. I still can't figure out, why some people can still do that. I only use the advanced mode and that's where i get the normal FOV. Maybe the mouse emulation mode is still screwed up?

SeaFireLIV
04-25-2004, 05:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Natural point had it enabled in the first few sets of drivers then updated them to take it away but then told everyone the work around to get it back. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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There you go. They fixed it, then told everyone how to get it back. Adjusting the Registry I believe. There WILL be people who`ll use it, and I`m not convinced that it won`t be a big advantage, especially on locked cockpit servers.

BuzzU
04-25-2004, 09:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by arcadeace:
Essentially the discussion is about whether 360 TIR is a cheat or not. I've taken your post about mirrors as an acceptable comparison to justify its use, but who can use mirrors in this game? My comparison to the WW reticle (perfect guidance requiring no deflection) is similar reasoning. If one want's to claim "ace" using TIR one can claim it using WW.

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[This message was edited by arcadeace on Sun April 25 2004 at 02:44 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I knew what you meant. You didn't need to explain. I just like the http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif smiley, and thought i'd give it to you. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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BaldieJr
04-25-2004, 10:03 AM
Take it easy people.

Naturalpoint left it up to the developers to allow this, or disallow it, and Oleg has allowed it, so calling it a hack or a cheat just shows how ignorant you are of the facts.

LOMACs view system is locked and doesn't allow this.

I don't care if anyone uses it or not. Looking at your six sure doesn't stop bullets from going up your rear-end.

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