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blairgowrie
05-06-2004, 01:12 PM
Some of you may recall my post about my brother,
Sergeant Tony Smith who was killed as a result of injuries received 2 days earlier in a flying accident. I use his photograph in my signature. The orignal thread was started by TailorTony and can be seen here:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=200101823&r=723102033#723102033

I promised to update you if i got any further information on his flying accident after writing to RAF Air Historical Branch. I received a letter from them today and I quote

"Sergeant Smith was the Pilot on a Miles Master of 61 Operational Training unit, Fighter Command. At 13.55hrs on March 8, 1942, the aircraft whilst taking off at Heston Aerodrome, swung and struck parked aircraft. This was due to attempting to take off before full flying speed had been reached causing it to drop and turn sharply to the left where it collided with four aircraft parked on the tarmac. The other aircraft were a Hornet Moth and 3 Spitfires. Damage was sustained to all aircraft, but of varying degrees.

Sergeant Smith sustained burns and was admitted to West Middlesex Hospital, Isleworth, Bedfordshire, where he was put on the Dangerously ill list. Sadly he contacted Toxaemia (blood poisoning from septic shock) and subsequently died at 09.45hrs on March 10,1942.

You have also requested his RAF Logbook.They were retained after the war until 1960 when an advertisement was placed in several newspapers in the 1960's offering them to be claimed. Those that were not claimed by the crew or their next of kin were subsequently destroyed."

It looks like I have reached the end of my quest to find out about my brother Tony. A sad loss of life at 21.

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blairgowrie
05-06-2004, 01:12 PM
Some of you may recall my post about my brother,
Sergeant Tony Smith who was killed as a result of injuries received 2 days earlier in a flying accident. I use his photograph in my signature. The orignal thread was started by TailorTony and can be seen here:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=200101823&r=723102033#723102033

I promised to update you if i got any further information on his flying accident after writing to RAF Air Historical Branch. I received a letter from them today and I quote

"Sergeant Smith was the Pilot on a Miles Master of 61 Operational Training unit, Fighter Command. At 13.55hrs on March 8, 1942, the aircraft whilst taking off at Heston Aerodrome, swung and struck parked aircraft. This was due to attempting to take off before full flying speed had been reached causing it to drop and turn sharply to the left where it collided with four aircraft parked on the tarmac. The other aircraft were a Hornet Moth and 3 Spitfires. Damage was sustained to all aircraft, but of varying degrees.

Sergeant Smith sustained burns and was admitted to West Middlesex Hospital, Isleworth, Bedfordshire, where he was put on the Dangerously ill list. Sadly he contacted Toxaemia (blood poisoning from septic shock) and subsequently died at 09.45hrs on March 10,1942.

You have also requested his RAF Logbook.They were retained after the war until 1960 when an advertisement was placed in several newspapers in the 1960's offering them to be claimed. Those that were not claimed by the crew or their next of kin were subsequently destroyed."

It looks like I have reached the end of my quest to find out about my brother Tony. A sad loss of life at 21.

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LilHorse
05-06-2004, 01:20 PM
S! To your brother and to you as well, sir.

Huxley_S
05-06-2004, 01:22 PM
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Franzen
05-06-2004, 01:26 PM
Did you try to find some of the guyz he served with at the time? Either they or there family might have more info. You never know.

Fritz Franzen

blairgowrie
05-06-2004, 01:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
Did you try to find some of the guyz he served with at the time? Either they or there family might have more info. You never know.

Fritz Franzen<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There was a pilot who served with my brother and used to send a Christmas letter every year to my family. I think we eventually lost touch with him. I didn't try and contact anyone else who may have flown with him. If I lived in the UK I am sure I could search the RAF archives. Not sure how I would go about finding others who may have known him. It is such a long time ago.

Thanks all for your interest and kind words.

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Franzen
05-06-2004, 01:46 PM
Maybe you could post in the classifieds in the UK papers. There might also be some sort of veteran associations there.

In the future I want to search for info on my uncle. He and his 109 are MIA. I never met him and wouldn't compare this to your loss but I think we have similar goals

Fritz Franzen

SKULLS Virga
05-06-2004, 01:47 PM
Thanks for the update blairgowrie.

potver
05-06-2004, 01:53 PM
Blairgorie,

I think you,re as brave as your brother was (fighting for our freedom) to share those deep and intense feelings with us in this forum. I am touched deeply. I hope that there comes a day you can have peace with it.

huggy87
05-06-2004, 02:11 PM
I'm very sorry about your brother and glad you were able to get a little more closure.

Taylortony
05-06-2004, 03:41 PM
So sad to read http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Blairgowrie you could start here, they might be able to help
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=forces+friends

you could also put a post in the RAF news or the Ex servicemans one or contact RAFA they all might be able to help

http://www.rafa.org.uk/intouch.html

blairgowrie
05-06-2004, 05:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Taylortony:
So sad to read http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Blairgowrie you could start here, they might be able to help
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=forces+friends

you could also put a post in the RAF news or the Ex servicemans one or contact RAFA they all might be able to help

http://www.rafa.org.uk/intouch.html<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Taylortony. I didn't realize there were so many ways to find people in the Armed Services. I have already made a couple of posts to message boards. But even if I don't learn anything further, I am more than satisfied with what I have learned from the RAF. I just wish I had done this years ago but then it was FB that stimulated my interest and my conversion to the computer age.

I will always be incredibly proud of Tony. He was an all round sportsman; club golf champion, excellent swimmer and a devoted fly fisherman. These are also the things I like and when I read his service record, I find our weight, height, eye colouring are identical and I also got a pilot's licence. I had several other brothers but nothing matched up like it did with Tony. Ah, but what might have been.

You have been most kind TT, even giving up your original thread. I feel quite guilty about that. Thanks again.

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Taylortony
05-06-2004, 05:31 PM
My Pleasure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif you and your late brother deserve it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It's the least I could do

Zeus-cat
05-06-2004, 10:56 PM
S! to your brother. A true hero.

Zeus-cat

SKIDRO_79FS
05-06-2004, 10:56 PM
In having researched the USAAF 20th. Ftr. Grp. for over seven years now I have found that there are always ways to find out information when you think you have hit a dead end while researching. The internet is a wonderful tool and I've helped many family members of former 20th. and 1st. Ftr. Grp. pilots uncover more about their loved ones. In one instance I put a young girl in touch with the man who was her grandfather's wingman on the mission when he was shotdown and killed.

I would suggest you get in contact with any of the many RAF Museums and ask them for guidance to where you might uncover more. Believe me, it's out there somewhere and so are men who flew with your brother. I wish you the best of luck and remind you to NEVER give up in your search.

Udidtoo
05-06-2004, 11:14 PM
Thank you for the update and again a S' in his honor

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I always have just enough fuel to arrive at the scene of my crash.

dazza9806482
05-07-2004, 03:07 AM
Blairgowrie

s! to you and your brother, a poignant story and respect to your search for information.

Whilst in university I was friends with two guys from the village of Blairgowrie, I think in Aberdeenshire. I have always wondered the connection to your forum name.

All the best Sir, and sorry for the slightly off topic post.

Bansai Potato
05-07-2004, 04:07 AM
Have you tried the RAF museum at Hendon, they have a massive amount of information such as logbooks, mission orders, etc etc, all in archives on microfilm. Maybe they have your brothers log book in there, i know they collected a lot that were due to be destroyed after the war.

http://homepage.hispeed.ch/Ede_EAF92/EAF/24890632.92EastIndiaSquadronpersonnel.jpg

Hawgdog
05-07-2004, 04:08 AM
They destroyed records? Hell, they had microfilm back then.
Makes no sense to randomly destroy archived records for any reason, less so today with high volume storage.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+Miles+Master+of+61+Operational+Training+unit&btnG=Google+Search

blairgowrie
05-07-2004, 06:29 AM
Thanks for your encouragemt guys. I will definitely drop RAF Hendon and Public Records Office, Kew letters of inquiry.

I was always told that my brother flew in the morning and had engine problems with his a/c. He reported the problem but when he flew later in the day he immediately knew the problem was still there. He told my mother and father this when they saw him after the accident. None of this is reflected in the accident report however. Strange!

And yes, Blairgowrie is a small town in Perthshire, Scotland. That's where our family lived, I was born and grew up. Lovely wee town.

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DeerHunterUK
05-07-2004, 06:38 AM
It's sad to lose anyone during combat but I think it's worse to lose them in a training accident.
S!
JUst thought I'd add, never give up! 1 of my Great Uncles was killed during WW1 at the tender age of 16 (he lied about his age to join up). He was officially listed as MIA, his body was never recovered according to the MoD and the Army. It took my family nearly 80 years to locate him buried in a War Cemetery.
So there's always hope.

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Extreme_One
05-07-2004, 06:50 AM
Thanks for sharing.
Good luck in your search.
Please keep us posted.

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Diablo310th
05-07-2004, 07:03 AM
~S~ to your brother Blairgowrie. I hope you find more info. that you are looking for. anotehr salute to all those that have died defending freedom all around the world.

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