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VW-IceFire
06-08-2004, 03:52 PM
Hey everyone...most people are quite well aware of this bug but its never been illustrated on this board and as of yet no action has been taken. So...its going to be illustrated right here:

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/markingbug.jpg

As you can see...the P-51D-5 uses the same marking/skin regardless of USAAF or any other nation selected. This is the way (as set by precedent) that its supposed to work. On the D-20 there is a bug, mistake, error, or something along those lines where when the USA is selected it reverts to a D-5 skin. As cool as the D-5 skin is...the D-20 skin does a great job of representing the bare metal Mustangs in a default skin which are sometimes important to establish (in terms of historical feel) in multiplayer or single player without the use of skins or skin downloads. It also benefits static aircraft.

This isn't terribly subjective...just needs an alternate marking type that incorporates the USAAF markings on the bare metal skin for the D-20. This is what is shown on the AEP box cover as well...

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/tmv-sig1.jpg
RCAF 412 Falcon Squadron - "Swift to Avenge"

VW-IceFire
06-08-2004, 03:52 PM
Hey everyone...most people are quite well aware of this bug but its never been illustrated on this board and as of yet no action has been taken. So...its going to be illustrated right here:

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/markingbug.jpg

As you can see...the P-51D-5 uses the same marking/skin regardless of USAAF or any other nation selected. This is the way (as set by precedent) that its supposed to work. On the D-20 there is a bug, mistake, error, or something along those lines where when the USA is selected it reverts to a D-5 skin. As cool as the D-5 skin is...the D-20 skin does a great job of representing the bare metal Mustangs in a default skin which are sometimes important to establish (in terms of historical feel) in multiplayer or single player without the use of skins or skin downloads. It also benefits static aircraft.

This isn't terribly subjective...just needs an alternate marking type that incorporates the USAAF markings on the bare metal skin for the D-20. This is what is shown on the AEP box cover as well...

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/tmv-sig1.jpg
RCAF 412 Falcon Squadron - "Swift to Avenge"

Chuck_Older
06-08-2004, 04:12 PM
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Hoarmurath
06-08-2004, 05:13 PM
i agree, much funny...

Did you motice that il2 was not a P51 simulator but also had many, many more planes in it?

try them

try to change nationalities for them

you'll notice some nice surprises.. It's not a bug, it's a feature of the game.

http://hoarmurath.free.fr/images/sighoar.jpg (http://hoarmurath.free.fr/)

Chuck_Older
06-08-2004, 05:54 PM
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But we aren't really agreeing, and I don't think it's all that funny http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I am just happy that I am getting joined by others who would like the (several) bugs with P-51D markings fixed. I have a thread here that I drag out of the grave every week or so about this and other P-51D marking issues. I have little hope this will get fixed, but they say misery loves company, so I feel better that I am not alone.

For a real fun bug, try making the P-51D20NA an RAF plane. You get the right codes on the fuselage! But a US P-51D20NA? They get a number. Now, some groups that had fought in the Med theatre and who actually flew missions over Europe had numbers, but then again, other Mustang groups from N. Africa and the Med had the RAF-style three alphanumeric code. Seems like a complete, unfortunate oversight that this little glitch was never caught, and maybe some pics will help the cause? Who knows, can't hurt http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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VW-IceFire
06-08-2004, 09:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hoarmurath:
i agree, much funny...

Did you motice that il2 was not a P51 simulator but also had many, many more planes in it?

try them

try to change nationalities for them

you'll notice some nice surprises.. It's not a bug, it's a feature of the game.

http://hoarmurath.free.fr/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I hope this wasn't a sarcastic slight since I rarely talk about the Mustang (except that I like to fly it) and the fact that I fly virtually every fighter in the game on a regular basis (I'll have to say the I-16 the least but most major types I fly and have fun with - most of them don't have this kind of problem).

Markings are a bit strange. Numbers instead of unit codes...and the RAF roundels are terribly colored. But one thing at a time I suppose http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/tmv-sig1.jpg
RCAF 412 Falcon Squadron - "Swift to Avenge"

LeadSpitter_
06-08-2004, 10:17 PM
hopefull in the last patch the will update the mustang skin with sootys mustang. I liked avirexs skin for awhile but it lacks detail, sootys is the best mustang skinner without a doubt. I also like hammereds but they metal looks to white in my opinion but everything else has the most incrediable detail.

I also wonder why the numbers on the mustang are so low, they should line up with the center of the US roundel

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/LSIG1.gif

VW-IceFire
06-09-2004, 07:13 AM
At this point...I just hope they take note.

Yes that template is fantastic...it looks too good since most planes beside it look not quite as good. He should do a P-47 and P-38 template as well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

We need some new generic squadron marking versions based on that template to fly around with.

In any case...hopefully they take note and fix this minor and easily correctable problem.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/tmv-sig1.jpg
RCAF 412 Falcon Squadron - "Swift to Avenge"

jeroen_R90S
06-09-2004, 11:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
hopefull in the last patch the will update the mustang skin with sootys mustang. I liked avirexs skin for awhile but it lacks detail, sootys is the best mustang skinner without a doubt. I also like hammereds but they metal looks to white in my opinion but everything else has the most incrediable detail.

I also wonder why the numbers on the mustang are so low, they should line up with the center of the US roundel

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/LSIG1.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your new Mustang set ain't particulary bad either, I've got to say http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jeroen

VVS-Manuc
06-17-2004, 03:44 AM
Bumpppp http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif

Wolkenbeisser
06-18-2004, 03:37 AM
I too think Oleg should change this (I guess it's a VERY easy thing to exchange the defaultskins of the P-51D-02 'cause they are allready in the game).

So please Mr. Maddox be so kind and change it - thanx

Fliegergr├╝sse

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Wolkenbeisser
06-18-2004, 03:38 AM
...├┬Ąh I mean P-51D-20, sorry

Fliegergr├╝sse

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Extreme_One
06-20-2004, 03:57 AM
Yep!

It does need changing and it would be easy enough for 1C to acheive.

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