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Bearcat99
02-07-2004, 09:38 PM
On right now on TCM. One of my favorite movies of all time...... My favorite scene was the one where Chuck Yearger had to eject from the plane he was in and he crashed in the desert after free falling for about 3 minutes...the friction was burning his face. He opend his chute in the nick of time and walked out of the desert. At least I think it was Yaeger...its been a while since I saw that one.

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Bearcat99
02-07-2004, 09:38 PM
On right now on TCM. One of my favorite movies of all time...... My favorite scene was the one where Chuck Yearger had to eject from the plane he was in and he crashed in the desert after free falling for about 3 minutes...the friction was burning his face. He opend his chute in the nick of time and walked out of the desert. At least I think it was Yaeger...its been a while since I saw that one.

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Wilie_Wombat
02-07-2004, 11:06 PM
I have so much respect for Yaeger, but it's too bad he wasted a beautiful F-101 Voodoo.

WW

Sturmtrooper
02-07-2004, 11:47 PM
Good movie but the script sucked !
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Too Hollywood-ish !!
However I do appreciate the cameo appearance of Mr. Yeager !!!!

ROCK ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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darkhorizon11
02-08-2004, 01:16 AM
Oh yeah good movie. I read the book when I was in jr. high before I first saw the movie. Not to be nitpicky but it was an F104 Starfighter. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

GR142_Astro
02-08-2004, 02:00 AM
Also one my all-timers Bearcat. As someone said, there are some problems with the script but writing a screenplay for real life events is not so easy.

FWIW, the reason Chuck's face was burning was not friction. He actually became tangled up with his ejection seat while trying to break away from it. He wound up with the seat's rocket motor pointing right into his visor! Although the main blast was over, the residual discharge severely burned his face. In the movie they at least show him struggling to get his helmet off on the way down.

In his book, he describes the hideous scraping treatments he went through that luckily left him more or less un-scarred.

C.Y. has led a remarkable life.

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Dunkelgrun
02-08-2004, 03:14 AM
Very underrated but great film.
Cheers!

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Wilie_Wombat
02-08-2004, 07:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
Not to be nitpicky but it was an F104 Starfighter. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Thanks DH, I was too lazy last night to check my memory.

WW

Chuck_Older
02-08-2004, 08:34 AM
Cool flick

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trumper
02-08-2004, 09:46 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sturmtrooper:
Good movie but the script sucked !
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Too Hollywood-ish !!
However I do appreciate the cameo appearance of Mr. Yeager !!!!

ROCK ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blimey i watched this film 2 weeks ago on DVD and didnt realise the "real Chuck" was in it ,where?
In the the film it was an f104 Starfighter,seemed to get into the outer reaches of the earth atmosphere and lost all control imputs,started in a uncontrollable spin.

GR142_Astro
02-08-2004, 10:12 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by trumper:
Blimey i watched this film 2 weeks ago on DVD and didnt realise the "real Chuck" was in it ,where?
/QUOTE]

He's Fred the "old man" in Panchos Happy Bottom Riding Club who says to Jeff Goldblum, David Clennon and Harry Shearer: "Hey, yall want a drink of whiskey?"

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DONB3397
02-08-2004, 10:38 AM
Tom Wolfe was not an aviation expert or aviation writer. He wrote fiction. He was less interested in the aircraft in his book than the 'fraternity of flyers'...the competition (and conflict) between pilots. His research was thorough and he got most of the aircraft designations right. But the real story was: "Who's the best...pilot?" The manned a/c guys considered astronauts to be mere passengers. And the astronauts may not have been too sure, themselves; they collectively forced NASA to install a "stick" so they could control the attitude of the capsule. That turned out to be a good thing in the end.

This going into space stuff was (and is) a complex and risky business. Wolfe found it interesting that flyers at this level were often more interested in the competition, the 'pecking order,' than the technology. The greater the risk, the higher the status.

Hollywood, of course, seemed to get that part of the story. They turned gifted engineers into stage hands, and focused on the competition between the heroes.

Later, Val Kilmer would ask Tom Cruise in Top Gun, "Have you figured it out yet, Maverick?"

"What's that?"

"Who's the best pilot?"

Come to think of it, even virtual pilots seem to get this idea. "Have you figured it out yet?" "What's that?" "Who the best pilots are, full real or..."

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tttiger
02-08-2004, 11:34 AM
The movies is terrific (although parts were a bit silly) but the book is much better. Lots of little vignettes there wasn't room for in the film.

One of my favorites: Why Pete Conrad wasn't in the original Mercury Seven. He flunked the psychology test.

They had a psychological test in which candidates were to look at a perfectly blank piece of white paper and tell the shrink what he saw. The main idea was that he wouldn't see himself freezing to death in a snow storm or anything morbid.

Conrad looked and looked at the blank paper and finally said: "It's upside down."

It's a good read http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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VF-17_WOODMAN
02-08-2004, 11:45 AM
In Yeagers biography he said he was gonna try for the altitude record and YF-104 he used had a rocket motor fitted he got to about 104,000ft and then he lost it (long way to fall)

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Bo_Nidle
02-08-2004, 02:26 PM
The Yeager incident refered to involved an NF-104 Starfighter.This was modified for high altitude flight by the addition of reaction control nozzles in the nose and wing tips ( this required the wing span to be increased).It also had a Rocketdyne LR 121-NA-1/AR2-3 rocket motor.The 104 had a nasty tendency to go into a high speed stall due to its T-tail when at these high altitudes and this is what happened to yeager at 103000 feet.Unable to get the nose down again and having insufficient air at that altitude for his normal control surfaces to work correctly, the aircraft entered into an unrecoverable flat spin.Yeager fought for control until 8000 feet when he ejected.However after seperation from the seat, and successful chute deployment, the seat came back down and smashed into his helmet visor badly cutting his face.It then became briefly entangled in his chute lines,it began to burn through them before dropping away again.Yeager was wearing a full pressure suit that was similar to the type worn by the Mercury astronauts and when the seat smashed through his visor the still red hot rocket exhaust on it ignited the oxygen in his suit setting it alight.In his attempts to put out the fire with his hands he burned through his gloves too.Luckily the fire also baked the blood over his injured eye into a large scab which protected it and saved it.He suffered severe burns to his face but skilled "plastic surgery" saved him from disfigurement.

Yeager has always been one of my personal heroes and I'm a big 104 fan ( a much maligned aircraft imho).

I recommend his autobiography to all.

Bo_Nidle

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Zyzbot
02-08-2004, 03:31 PM
Yeager has always been one of my personal heroes and I'm a big 104 fan ( a much maligned aircraft imho).

If you love the F-104 then you will enjoy reading the comments from an F-104 driver on this link:

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Ruminations%20on%20the%20F-104.htm

VF-17_WOODMAN
02-08-2004, 03:41 PM
Thanks Bo_Nidle it`s been about 12 years since I read it (Yeagers biog) time for a recap

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Bo_Nidle
02-09-2004, 12:16 PM
"If you love the F-104 then you will enjoy reading the comments from an F-104 driver"- Zyzbot.

Thanks Zyzbot.Very interesting.

I served at RAF Waddington in the early 80's (yes I really am THAT old!) and can recall the first time I heard the Starfighter on approach.Sounded like wolves in the sky.I never heard a plane howl before.Two Luftwaffe F-104G's were visiting and being RAF Police I had to perform the Customs check on them.Did that in 2 minutes and spent the next 30 mins climbing all over the plane!!!

Sorry to have turned the thread into a "104 appreciation society" by the way,but I do love the "Missile with a man in it".

Bo_Nidle

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CHDT
02-09-2004, 12:30 PM
The book "The right stuff" is great too!

Cheers,

JV44Rall
02-09-2004, 12:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tttiger:
The movies is terrific (although parts were a bit silly) but the book is much better. Lots of little vignettes there wasn't room for in the film.
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I completely agree. Wolf writes a lot about the intangible, undefinable "right stuff" which separates great pilots from the rest.

IIRC, he told about two test pilots in a plane that went out of control after an explosion at low alt. One pilot hit the eject button and the other rode the plane down. Both survived. An investigation found that had the pilot who rode it in ejected, he would have been killed because the explosion damaged his ejector system. Conversely, the pilot who bailed, had he rode it in, would have been killed because the impact collapsed his cockpit area.

Thus, it was determined that both decisions were correct for the individual involved and that therefore both had the "right stuff."

LilHorse
02-09-2004, 03:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
The Yeager incident refered to involved an NF-104 Starfighter.This was modified for high altitude flight by the addition of reaction control nozzles in the nose and wing tips ( this required the wing span to be increased).It also had a Rocketdyne LR 121-NA-1/AR2-3 rocket motor.The 104 had a nasty tendency to go into a high speed stall due to its T-tail when at these high altitudes and this is what happened to yeager at 103000 feet.Unable to get the nose down again and having insufficient air at that altitude for his normal control surfaces to work correctly, the aircraft entered into an unrecoverable flat spin.Yeager fought for control until 8000 feet when he ejected.However after seperation from the seat, and successful chute deployment, the seat came back down and smashed into his helmet visor badly cutting his face.It then became briefly entangled in his chute lines,it began to burn through them before dropping away again.Yeager was wearing a full pressure suit that was similar to the type worn by the Mercury astronauts and when the seat smashed through his visor the still red hot rocket exhaust on it ignited the oxygen in his suit setting it alight.In his attempts to put out the fire with his hands he burned through his gloves too.Luckily the fire also baked the blood over his injured eye into a large scab which protected it and saved it.He suffered severe burns to his face but skilled "plastic surgery" saved him from disfigurement.

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Yes, the rocket motor from the ejection seat smashed the visor on the helmet and set the oxigen alight. He realized after burning his face and hands that all he had to do was lift the visor and it automatically cut off the supply of oxigen.

tttiger
02-09-2004, 06:28 PM
I also recall a story in The Right Stuff about a Navy pilot who came in way too low and crashed into the stern of an aircraft carrier and everyone assumed he was dead.

The phone rang on the bridge. It was the pilot and he was trapped inside a paint locker in the stern of the ship and would someone please come unlock the door?

Yup, a good read and Tom Wolf (usually) has a nice touch to his storytelling.

ttt

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gates123
02-10-2004, 10:38 AM
My dad is a close aquantence of Mr. Yeager. He still continues to fly F-15's today.

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Did anyone see that or was it just me?

IcarusXP
02-10-2004, 10:56 AM
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huggy87
02-10-2004, 03:31 PM
I grew up only one hour away from where Gen Yeager lives today. I tried to get him to be the guest speaker at my class's commissioning but he was too busy with 50th anniversary of the air force stuff. I can't blame him for taking the ride in an F-15 instead of talking to a bunch of new ensigns. I talked to him on the phone and he was very nice about it. He sent me a nice letter. A nice fellow. A lot of the WW2 greats have already gone and I can't help but wonder how much longer he will be around.