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RedDeth
05-20-2004, 04:50 AM
you mentioned in one thread that the 50s havent been adjusted but put a smiley face after. were you just joking around?

did they adjust the dispersion of the 50s? or the hitting power? or just weakened the damage models of all planes? whats the scoop on 50s? are we just imagining they are more effective now ?

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RedDeth
05-20-2004, 04:50 AM
you mentioned in one thread that the 50s havent been adjusted but put a smiley face after. were you just joking around?

did they adjust the dispersion of the 50s? or the hitting power? or just weakened the damage models of all planes? whats the scoop on 50s? are we just imagining they are more effective now ?

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ElAurens
05-20-2004, 05:20 AM
RedDeth...

The .50s may or may not have gotten better ( personally I feel thay have ), but the damage models of the Japanese planes are definitely changed. A very short burst from the P40 will turn a Zero into an aluminum shower now.

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Aztek_Eagle
05-20-2004, 09:43 AM
i have always turn zeros into poop wiht short burst from p40s http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

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Giganoni
05-20-2004, 11:21 AM
The patch readme says they didn't change the DMs for Japanese planes, A6m2s always burn pretty easy. A6m5s seem a little tougher, probably due to their structural refinements. Ki-84s always have good pilot protection, but the rest of the plane isn't too strong it does seem the engine gets knocked out easier, but I've been buzzing b25s all day so I take more head on damage.

VFA-195 Snacky
05-20-2004, 12:48 PM
I think luthier was joking and trying to say that the punch of the .50 has not been changed. Not reading into it too far this tells me something else has been changed like Dispersion.
We all can't be crazy because we are all seeing the .50 being more effective. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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RedDeth
05-20-2004, 01:04 PM
theres a post by gibbage over at general forum. supposedly oleg changed nothing in the 50s. nada. this is very disappointing due to overwhelming evidence that this is the most glaring error in forgotten battles.

and my ride of choice in fb is a k4 or the TA152 . but i think american gun dispersion is off by a factor of 8 or more. this is a sad day

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NegativeGee
05-20-2004, 01:49 PM
In the (now locked) thread Gibbage said Oleg had informed him the dispersion was not going to be amended.

Still, it would be nice if our "PTO Crew Chief" would shed a bit more light on his earlier comment http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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RiesenSchnauzer
05-20-2004, 01:54 PM
I should perhaps also be pointed out that Gibbage is so mad about not receiving any kind of explanation after submitting data for three months that he will not longer do 3D models for any Maddox games. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

RedDeth
05-20-2004, 02:41 PM
i wouldnt say gibbage was mad. id say frustrated is more accurate. gibb is one of the few of us not living in the oleg fantasy world. hes outside helping design it for us.

for that im thankful and im just as frustrated myself about the subject.


p.s. the 50s are F.U.B.A.R.

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sugaki
05-20-2004, 03:31 PM
Wow, just read that thread, ouch. It got ugly fast.

I actually agree that the .50 cal M2's a bit inaccurate, but it balances out with Zeroes snap stalling http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

With so many discussions and no changes, I don't think it'll be changed for Pacific Fighters though. We'll see.

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luthier1
05-20-2004, 03:35 PM
I don't understand what requires more clarification - I thought my original post there was crystal clear. Nothing changed in the .50 cals. Which means every single parameter is exactly the same as in the previous version. The damage model of some planes has indeed been changed, but the majority of them, for example the A6Ms, remain exactly the same.

The only explanation I have for some people seeing different results in the new patch is preconception. Or hallucinogens http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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olaleier
05-20-2004, 03:38 PM
It's fun to read FB patch impressions.

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RedDeth
05-20-2004, 07:49 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif sigh

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VFA-195 Snacky
05-20-2004, 11:23 PM
oh well then, I was able to saw the wing off of a LA7 tonight. that's never happened before with the .50 so I can't complain.

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Giganoni
05-21-2004, 01:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sugaki:
Wow, just read that thread, ouch. It got ugly fast.

I actually agree that the .50 cal M2's a bit inaccurate, but it balances out with Zeroes snap stalling http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

With so many discussions and no changes, I don't think it'll be changed for Pacific Fighters though. We'll see.

-Aki<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? The stalling that you ranted about being too bad is still there? I know Luthier said to you this was fixed in the patch, or are you saying it is fixed?

ZG77_Nagual
05-21-2004, 08:59 AM
I can touch of ki84s much more easily now in the p38 - dispersion tests show it to be the same - that being about 2/3rds of a plane width at 500 meters target and convergence. But the 38 is a much nicer ride now so I've got now complaints.

FooFTR
05-21-2004, 03:07 PM
I can't really speak with authority about the modeling of the M2 .50 cal in IL2/FB/AEP cause you have to hit a target first before you damage it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif & my marksmanship in thes games bites so far..
Speaking from actual experence having firing
a multitude of weapons from .223 to 120MM, yes that is right, 120 mm main gun M1A1 Abrams. The M2 .50 caliber is no dog. I think the marine sniper from Arkansas, Hathcock holds the record for a long distance sniper kill at 2500 meters using a M2 modifided to fire single shot with a scope mounted on it.
The only time we had problems with dispersal from the M2 was when the barrel had exceded it's maximum life or had gotten too hot from being fired in continous mode (full auto) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BSS_Vidar
05-21-2004, 03:18 PM
To me, the 50 cals still seem to hit like "Paintball" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif You still have to spend a lot of time behind the target to get it to go down while the P-51 folds like an old rag from a short burst from axis planes.

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sugaki
05-21-2004, 03:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giganoni:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sugaki:
Wow, just read that thread, ouch. It got ugly fast.

I actually agree that the .50 cal M2's a bit inaccurate, but it balances out with Zeroes snap stalling http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

With so many discussions and no changes, I don't think it'll be changed for Pacific Fighters though. We'll see.

-Aki<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? The stalling that you ranted about being too bad is still there? I know Luthier said to you this was fixed in the patch, or are you saying it is fixed?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dunno if it's fixed wiped my hard drive so gotta reinstall and d/l the patch.