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basdirks
08-04-2004, 06:53 PM
I want to obtain information on both real aces and virtual ones. If anyone could link me to some good websites about ww2 aces and tell me if there are online players that are concerned aces, besides dreyer, please tell me.

basdirks
08-04-2004, 06:53 PM
I want to obtain information on both real aces and virtual ones. If anyone could link me to some good websites about ww2 aces and tell me if there are online players that are concerned aces, besides dreyer, please tell me.

PBNA-Boosher
08-04-2004, 06:59 PM
Hello! I don't consider myself an Online Ace, but I'm a fair pilot. However, if you want to learn about aces like Lilya Litvyak, Katya Budanova, and their fellow pilots of the 586th IAP, I'm probably the guy to talk to. I can also offer a ton of info on the 125th GvBAP and the 46th GvNBAP. All of these squadrons were Russian female combat squadrons. If you're interested, I can explain in more detail if you e-mail me at:

boosh at kbuch.com

Cheers!

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JG7_Rall
08-04-2004, 09:03 PM
If you want information on real life WWII aces, try google and type in something like WWII Luftwaffe Aces or something. I have some sites that I'll dig up for ya in a bit.

It's kinda hard to say who is and isn't a virtual ace. There aren't really any actually, just some really good pilots and some not so good ones. Oh, wait, I forgot RBJ. THE ace http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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JG7_Rall
08-04-2004, 09:05 PM
Heres a good LW ace site

http://www.luftwaffe.cz/experten.html

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BaldieJr
08-04-2004, 09:08 PM
I'm an ace. I score at will.

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Tooz_69GIAP
08-04-2004, 09:09 PM
Check the GeeYap's historical links section. There's all sorts of links in there, but there's quite a few with lists of aces, and biographies, and so on.

GeeYap Historical Links Section (http://baseclass.modulweb.dk/69giap/68.0.html?&category=6&cHash=ee01d50967)

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javierib
08-04-2004, 10:19 PM
I just felt very sorry for Gerhard Barkhorn...he survived how many things to end like that...http://www.luftwaffe.cz/barkhorn.html

TS_Quixote
08-04-2004, 10:34 PM
http://www.1000pictures.com/aircraft/aces.htm

wayno7777
08-04-2004, 10:39 PM
http://usfighter.tripod.com/frames2.htm
http://galland.50megs.com/
http://www.chez.com/franckruffino/My-Site/Main_Lilo.htm
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/aces/aces.htm

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F19_Ob
08-05-2004, 03:31 AM
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/

F19_Olli72
08-05-2004, 04:21 AM
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.com/

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08-05-2004, 05:16 AM
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basdirks
08-05-2004, 06:34 AM
When i see those lists i cant help but wonder why the germans were so amazingly supreme (especialy compared with the USA and the UK).

TugZooey
08-05-2004, 06:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by basdirks:
When i see those lists i cant help but wonder why the germans were so amazingly supreme (especialy compared with the USA and the UK).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They rarely got a vacation or leave.

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basdirks
08-05-2004, 07:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TugZooey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by basdirks:
When i see those lists i cant help but wonder why the germans were so amazingly supreme (especialy compared with the USA and the UK).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They rarely got a vacation or leave.


http://img73.photobucket.com/albums/v221/milank/grab0002.png <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you take that into account, you will still come to the understanding that the german pilots were alot more efficient.

TugZooey
08-05-2004, 07:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by basdirks:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TugZooey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by basdirks:
When i see those lists i cant help but wonder why the germans were so amazingly supreme (especialy compared with the USA and the UK).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They rarely got a vacation or leave.


http://img73.photobucket.com/albums/v221/milank/grab0002.png <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you take that into account, you will still come to the understanding that the german pilots were alot more efficient.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, I didn't mean to discredit the LW by saying that. I'm quite enthralled with their success and efficiency (and have been reading up on it a bit). I was just saying that quite a bit of "in the field" and "hands on" experience.

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jada002
08-05-2004, 07:29 AM
If they ever made a top 100 fighter aces of all time i guess the list would only list german pilots of ww2(perhaps a few others). Man those german pilots in ww2 got some amazing numbers.

Ace = 5 air kills
Experten = dunno, anyone know what qualified a pilot to be deemed an expert. And did the germans use this term during the war (excuse my ignorance and spelling - not my native language.)

JG14_Josf
08-05-2004, 11:08 AM
Graf & Grislawski a Pair of Aces (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0972106049/qid=1091724282/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/103-7732168-8729457?v=glance&s=books)

The above book by Christer Bergstrom is, so far, a very good read. The first few chapters bring the reader from the begining days of the German invasion of Russia and reports 9./JG52 Karaya Staffel on the move.

This book is about Aces, how their lives unfolded during the war. If anyone is seriously interested in taking a look at what it was like to be a WWII fighter pilot then this book will offer an accurate, well researched window into that time and place.

The book also has many uncommon pictures, at least they are pictures I have seen for the first time.

The sense I get from the book so far is that the German pilots considered to be Aces were the ones that stayed alive. Kill numbers were trophies that served to score ability, however, there is a sense that score was secondary. An experten was a living fighter pilot. The Germans also awarded pilots for the number of missions completed.

I think the book posted above really gives the reader the dynamic nature of time as the war moved on. Looking back at that time it is easy to percieve the time in one dimension; such and such pilot shot down x number of planes. In reality there was a race going on between competitors for the top score. One mission at a time the war progressed as these pilots often took excessive risks to gain the top honors. As the top scoring pilots died the war moved on. 40 kills was a huge tally in early 1942 for example, but by late 1943 that number was much less remarkable. Living to fight another day was definitely a requirment for Ace status.

LBR_Barkhorn
08-05-2004, 11:53 AM
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