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canadiandirtbag
06-28-2004, 11:56 AM
Hi there, i've been playing this game since it's first come out. I was just wondering if your planning to release more heavy bombers (ie, Lancaster, make a virtual cockpit for the Pe-8 or B-17)..

canadiandirtbag
06-28-2004, 11:56 AM
Hi there, i've been playing this game since it's first come out. I was just wondering if your planning to release more heavy bombers (ie, Lancaster, make a virtual cockpit for the Pe-8 or B-17)..

Magister__Ludi
06-28-2004, 12:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by canadiandirtbag:
Hi there, i've been playing this game since it's first come out. I was just wondering if your planning to release more heavy bombers (ie, Lancaster, make a virtual cockpit for the Pe-8 or B-17)..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is very difficult to say if this will ever happen to Il2 series. It's a big task and not many takers.

Though I'd very much like to fly the big 5: B-17, B-24, B-29, Lancaster and He-177.

Jetdoc_5th
06-28-2004, 01:04 PM
Being a huge fan of the mulit. engines aircraftwould love to see the B-25's,A-20's,B-17's,B-29's,Pe-2's,Tu-2s's, and the P-8's and any other bomber I forgot to mention the Fighters guys always get new toys but us Bomber Pilots are stuck in the HE-111's and the TB-3's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

DarthBane_
06-28-2004, 04:14 PM
I need Greif and Arado Blitz.

Future-
06-28-2004, 04:34 PM
Once again, I share what I know about the future of bombers in AEP:

WiP (Work in Progress) AI bombers:

- A-20 Havoc/Boston


WiP Flyable bombers:

- B-25 series (C,G,H,J)
- B-17 G
- Ju-88
- A-20 Havoc/Boston


These are the most interesting bombers of which I know they are being worked on. All planes are being created by 3rd party modellers.

Of these planes, the Ju-88, A-20 and the B-25 series are planned to be made available as flyables sometime this summer; although I have to admit that a.) I'm not sure if the Havoc will make it and b.) there hasn't been any update on these plans for quite some time.

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609IAP_Recon
06-28-2004, 04:43 PM
don't forget, pe2 is wip

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canadiandirtbag
06-28-2004, 06:02 PM
What i can't figure is that alot of servers ar already suing the B-17 as well as the Pe-8.. Why don't they just make the virtual cockpits.. it would take alot less work

HuninMunin
06-28-2004, 07:31 PM
The Ju-88 is done and send to 1C.
The cockpit looks awesome, maybe the best we have so far.

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Montgomery Python
06-28-2004, 08:06 PM
Mosquito FB VI flyable and B IV ( or is it FB IV and B VI? ) AI also... just got to hope they get in in time. I suspect this is the final list for AEP.

PF has a B29.

No601_prangster
06-29-2004, 04:06 AM
I'm working on the cockpit for the Mosquito MkVI fighterbomber. Been very busy with RL work the past few weeks but I'll be back working on it by Friday. I'm still hoping to be finished by mid July. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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06-29-2004, 04:21 AM
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06-29-2004, 11:10 AM
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PBNA-Boosher
06-29-2004, 02:29 PM
Even I am guilty of this, but search the forum before a topic like this is posted.

My team and I are working as hard and as fast as we can on the B-17 project. I'm afraid that's all I can say.

Renegade_50
06-29-2004, 03:36 PM
Say you need help Boosher just ask the Renegade He looks bored too me

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darkhorizon11
07-01-2004, 06:33 PM
Mind you they also must make gunner positions for all these planes too. Theres like 6 on the B17. I mean no offense but its easier to recieve than to give.

CowboyTodd41
07-02-2004, 12:42 AM
I'd love to see a fully crewed a B-17 (it'd remind me of AirWarrior) but I think that the maps in FB are too small to accomadate large scale bomber raids. Personaly I'd rather see more light/medium bombers or ground attack aircraft, the maps are perfect for them, after all this was designed as a ground attack sim. Give an A-26 over a B-24 anyday.

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WTE_Galway
07-02-2004, 12:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by canadiandirtbag:
What i can't figure is that alot of servers ar already suing the B-17 as well as the Pe-8.. Why don't they just make the virtual cockpits.. it would take alot less work<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think i can answer that one ...

even if you ignored the gunners and bombadier and just made the pilots position flyable you still do not have a flyable bomber .. the AI models use over simplified flight models totally unsuited to human piloting

to make an AI bomber flyable you need to model the cockpit/gunners bays AND do an accurate FM, that is not a quick job

Montgomery Python
07-02-2004, 10:50 AM
Did anyone ever start work on a Wellington? they were in production the entire length of the war, did just about everything a bomber could, served just about everywhere, and aren't so enormous that you'd need a 1000 mile map to make good use of 'em.

BoB, I guess.

Aaron_GT
07-02-2004, 12:48 PM
Prangster: I may be able to blag access to a mossie cockpit. If you are interested send me a message.

Future-
07-02-2004, 01:42 PM
@ Galway: Again that "simplified flight model" ****.
Fascinating.
As far as I know and have seen, the FM and DM of (for example) both the Pe-8 and B-17 has undergone some development, and from what I can tell, their FMs aren't as "simplified" as you say.

If one of these planes would be made flyable, fine-tuning the FM would be one of the easier and faster-to-be-accomplished tasks.


It is more correct to say the AI pilots use simplified physics when they control a plane (that goes for ANY plane, flyable or not).
If you don't believe me, run a few Co-Op missions with some ai pilots using flyables (such as the 12 P-47 vs 12 Bf-109 mission, or the YP-80 vs He-162 + Me-262 mission).

AI planes for themselves mostly have a good FM (at least the ones I know).
The AI pilots are the problem.

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- Future

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Luftcaca
07-02-2004, 02:00 PM
its quite easy to prove that the AI uses easy FM

just take a fighter, make it stall and spin, look at it go, then engage the autopilot

no more spinnin'

it sucks...

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Future-
07-02-2004, 09:08 PM
That's what I'm saying. It's the AI pilots (including autopilot as you said) - it's NOT just the not-fully-modelled aircraft (better known as AI planes; though this term is not fully correct if you think about it).

S!

- Future

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Mispunt
07-04-2004, 04:01 AM
Yes but that doesn't mean doing a proper FM for any AI plane is straightforward. I wish it was but I'll take Oleg's word for it it isn't. Otherwise we wouldn't have seen so many FM tweaks over the history of IL2, FB and AEP.
But... for lower realism fans I think a no cockpit view would be very much appreciated. It's them (me included) that are already willing to put up with the simplified FM's and the external view only control.

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