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mortoma
05-30-2004, 10:40 AM
I just flew an offline mission last night in the King Cobra and we met up with some late Doras.
I got behind one that must not have been ace AI because he let me get behind him easily and he didn't even go evasive at all. This was a good opportunity to test the latest version of the 37mm and the new DM of the Dora. Well, I got a nice hit in the fuselage and saw a big black puff of smoke but he didn't even flinch. I then put my plane on auto, went to an external view in slow motion of the Dora and saw no visible damage!!
I went back to my plane and back into normal speed mode, out of auto and then blasted him again. I hit him two more times but only saw chunks flying off and going back to externals still showed no visible damage. The fourth shot shot off his rudder and entire elevator on both sides. He still kept gliding though and then one of my AI wingies managed to blast him and finnish him off before I could. The kill steal made me mad too but the obvious lack of power of the 37mm made me even madder. How many times have we read accounts of Russian pilots that swore only one hit is all it took to kill any fighter and most bombers?? I am not whining, just recounting how I felt when all of this was happening, just being honest. I want to know how satisfied other people are with the power of the 37mm, not rant and whine about it. If it still needs tweaked we better get it done now while we still can. If we could convince Oleg that is.

mortoma
05-30-2004, 10:40 AM
I just flew an offline mission last night in the King Cobra and we met up with some late Doras.
I got behind one that must not have been ace AI because he let me get behind him easily and he didn't even go evasive at all. This was a good opportunity to test the latest version of the 37mm and the new DM of the Dora. Well, I got a nice hit in the fuselage and saw a big black puff of smoke but he didn't even flinch. I then put my plane on auto, went to an external view in slow motion of the Dora and saw no visible damage!!
I went back to my plane and back into normal speed mode, out of auto and then blasted him again. I hit him two more times but only saw chunks flying off and going back to externals still showed no visible damage. The fourth shot shot off his rudder and entire elevator on both sides. He still kept gliding though and then one of my AI wingies managed to blast him and finnish him off before I could. The kill steal made me mad too but the obvious lack of power of the 37mm made me even madder. How many times have we read accounts of Russian pilots that swore only one hit is all it took to kill any fighter and most bombers?? I am not whining, just recounting how I felt when all of this was happening, just being honest. I want to know how satisfied other people are with the power of the 37mm, not rant and whine about it. If it still needs tweaked we better get it done now while we still can. If we could convince Oleg that is.

Dawg-of-death
05-30-2004, 10:50 AM
I agree. I think it is a little weak. Big boom little damage.

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GEO-oNe
05-30-2004, 10:53 AM
i agree if the r.o.f. is that bad then the cannon should be more powerful. My grandad knew a Russian Cobra pilot from work (how do they keep working when they are in 90's?) and he had 4 victories (2 werent confirmed) but he said the 37mm ripped up anything it touched. He described 1 time he came up behind a plane and shot 1 round off and blew the 109's right wing off

HexAngel
05-30-2004, 11:04 AM
Well 109 isn't a 190.. I guess it still depends on where you hit your target. I guess the 190's wing would have been ripped of when it gets hit one time. But 190 fuselage is good armored. So I don't think it needs to be any stronger. I also killed the mighty Ki84 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif with one hit by the 37 offline..

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mortoma
05-30-2004, 11:11 AM
Well I am not sure but I think that the 37mm would destroy a plane like the 190 no matter how well it was armored. With a shell that powerful, even armor means little. What about the story of how some Ruski Cobra pilots set on fire and sunk a huge German tanker?? I think it was like 50,000
tons or something?? I was a huge vessel. Pretty good work for just cannons on a few airplanes!!!
This should give people an indication of just how powerful the shell was. But apparently it doesn't make an impresson on most people.

VW-IceFire
05-30-2004, 11:16 AM
Shoot the wings and not the fuselage. At least in the game, the fuselage on most planes will absorb the hit to some extent (there is likely damage, you just can't see it/don't know about it). Shoot wings and they will fall off.

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BBB_Hyperion
05-30-2004, 11:20 AM
Well this is even more true for the mk108 cause it had more explosive power as the 37 mm gun. Still wings take much more than 1 shoot its still a problem comming up from the dm not from gunpower.

Good example is the fuselage section of the heinkel vs 37 mm.

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Hyperion

mortoma
05-30-2004, 11:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Shoot the wings and not the fuselage. At least in the game, the fuselage on most planes will absorb the hit to some extent (there is likely damage, you just can't see it/don't know about it). Shoot wings and they will fall off.

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RCAF 412 Falcon Squadron - "Swift to Avenge"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well I consider myself a great shot and have the tracks to prove it. But I consider trying to hit wings a waste of precious ammo. When I hit them and they break off, it's usually purely accidental, I never try to hit them. I doubt if the wings were a target for real life fighter pilots. I have never read about W.W.II pilots who made a habit of trying to hit wings. On a deflection shot when you can hit the broad side of one, then it's a entirely different matter. But from dead astern?? Might as well try to hit radio masts or something. I don't believe in dead six wing shots, nuff said. With heavy spread Mg fire it's ok, but with slow firing cannons it's not.

HexAngel
05-30-2004, 11:43 AM
Well I guess they hit the tanks and all the fuel exploded on this tanker, just like it will happen to the planes if you hit the fueltanks. And there are many planes that will withstand a dead six fuselage shot. I guess with a bit deflection you would rip apart the plane. BTW I accidently hit a wingman today with one or two shells out of the 20mm MgFF and that ripped him in two, he came out of nowhere..I was so sad 'cause I haven't killed one for so long..

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[This message was edited by HexAngel on Sun May 30 2004 at 11:03 AM.]

Huxley_S
05-30-2004, 01:34 PM
I've been flying the P39 exclusively for the last month in my squad and I can assure you that the 37mm is bloody powerful.

With a bit of luck you can take the wing off a medium bomber with a single round and I doubt that there is any plane that can survive 2 direct hits to the same area.

I hope they don't mess with it anymore, because with the new improved 50 cals, the cobra is a seriously well armed aeroplane. Fortunately, its slow rate of fire and difficult handling ensure that it isn't ever going to be accused of being "noob" or "uber".

My impression is that the power of the HE is variable and there is a "roll of the dice" to determine how powerful it is. Sometimes it is devastating and sometimes it is under-powered. Surely, this models real life to a certain extent.

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Cragger
05-30-2004, 02:29 PM
Only aircraft I've had to date take more than 2 hits from the Oldsmobile M4 cannon is a FW190D9. Took one hit to the left wing root, one hit to the right wing root and one hit to the tail. The fourth hit to the tail lite it on fire.

Offline and Online are too different ballparks, because of unavoidable things such as latency, paket loss, and server load you may see your shots connect, your client displays the graphic of a hit and by the time the server has verified the hit its to late to tell your client that it didn't hit and not to display the graphic.

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Atomic_Marten
05-30-2004, 02:34 PM
Mk108's 30mm for sure has more 'explosive' ammo than T9's 37mm. Shoot the ground and you'll know what I mean. There's circle blast when Mk108's ammo hit the ground, which is not the case with T9's ammo. Is there less, equal, or more damage dealt with Mk108 than the T9, I however can't said(I didn't do compare tests).

ruf9ii
05-31-2004, 02:08 AM
the 'explosion' or puff of dirt on the ground is also a result of differing shell compositions. a HE shell like the mk108's will explode, where as the armor piercing p39 will just puff up dirt. i think (not certain but one of the yaks or p39's have a big gun on them that has alternate HE and AP rounds. the HE is the tracer round.

Atomic_Marten
05-31-2004, 02:29 AM
ruf9ii THX for explaining. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Didn't know about that abbreviation "AP" or "HE", now I figure that out(the difference http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).Yak-9K have monster-cannon with HE shells. Yak-9T have (I guess?) AP shells. The real question I like to post is why sometimes when I fire from cobra's T9, shell doesn't seem to go out of the cannon---nothing happens. I squeeze trigger for just half second, and experience recoil effect, and accompanying sound of course but when I look to the ground I don't see the trail or shell hitting the ground?

HexAngel
05-31-2004, 02:45 AM
You just won't see the tracer 'cause it is a tracerless shell fired, but the shell is still there as you can see in arcade mode or by exploding the enemy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif .

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Atomic_Marten
05-31-2004, 03:06 AM
THX will check it out

Slechtvalk
05-31-2004, 03:50 AM
fw190 often doesn't show much visable damage. Another hit from your 37 or a few hits with your machine guns and the fw would explode.

Atomic_Marten
05-31-2004, 11:25 AM
I just play offline QMB and have luck in 'sniping' with T9---I shot Bf109G6AS in left wing - on range 0.54. I was on his 6 exactly. Only wisible damage was two holes in the middle of it's wing. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif
However 0.50cal carried out rest of the work. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I guess german messerschmitt factory was doing some really good work... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

StellarRat
05-31-2004, 11:49 AM
Just to put things in perspective, a 37mm round doesn't have much explosive (HE) in it. The round has a thick skin metal skin to allow it to survive being fired from a high velocity anti-tank gun. They were meant for use against armor and not against infantry (in fact, they are pretty much ineffective against infantry). The HE round for a 37mm is basically an after thought for use in dire situations when the tanks MG isn't doing the job. So, while it would probably go through an entire plane front to back, you really can't count on the explosive to bring the plane down every time. That being said it's still way more powerful than a 20mm HE round.

The German 30mm round is basically a thin skinned grenade designed to carry as much HE as possible, more like a mortar round. Hence the low velocity and big boom. This is more effective against planes because they aren't really armored (at least compared to tanks, etc...)