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Istreliteli
02-25-2004, 09:45 PM
I have tried hard to find info about whether the USSR had any elite or commando forces in WWII.
If they did, what did they do?
We all know of the german and western commandoes, what did russia have?

UShtravnikov odin zakon odin konetz kalir rubi, fashistkaya brayagu,
viy luchikh lest, rupi tyen na grabiy, pro rif idut, shtrafnye batalione
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Yak-3/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://www.nzfpm.co.nz/downloads/yak3-3.jpg

Istreliteli
02-25-2004, 09:45 PM
I have tried hard to find info about whether the USSR had any elite or commando forces in WWII.
If they did, what did they do?
We all know of the german and western commandoes, what did russia have?

UShtravnikov odin zakon odin konetz kalir rubi, fashistkaya brayagu,
viy luchikh lest, rupi tyen na grabiy, pro rif idut, shtrafnye batalione
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Yak-3/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://www.nzfpm.co.nz/downloads/yak3-3.jpg

rick_475
02-25-2004, 10:11 PM
I'm no historian, but I believe the best soldiers the russian had were those Siberian divisions, they had good training for the winter and it gave them an advantage against the germans. At the beginning of the war on the eastern front, the red army was reorganizing itself, so there was a lack of training and equipment. As the war went on, new technologies/equipment came up and they trained "stand-by" troops with basic training before they went to the front. I believe the only "special force" the red army had was the NKVD, they probably were special only because they were the only one with proper equipment... to shoot the friendly retreating.

If you saw Enemy at the gates, you probably noticed that they had a sniper division. In Stalingrad they used a lot of commando tactics : they attacked germans on all sides by sneaking in the sewers. Even if the soldiers didn't have proper training, they learned a lot by experience. Their experience was far more valuable than the training they didn't have. And even if they weren't in an ELITE commando, some of them were fighting like Elite. You can consider most of the Stalingrad survivors has a special force in the red army, specialized in urban war and tactics.

[This message was edited by rick_475 on Wed February 25 2004 at 09:54 PM.]

Istreliteli
02-25-2004, 10:28 PM
Yeah, but besides their excellent spies and NKVD, did they have commandoes in the american or British sense, they must have had some troops out of all of them that were trained/recruited before the war that were trained in special ops. i really cant find anything at all on it but i would think the reason is just another example of lack of info on soviets and the eastern front in the west, not evidence im chasing blue milk.

UShtravnikov odin zakon odin konetz kalir rubi, fashistkaya brayagu,
viy luchikh lest, rupi tyen na grabiy, pro rif idut, shtrafnye batalione
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Yak-3/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://www.nzfpm.co.nz/downloads/yak3-3.jpg

rick_475
02-25-2004, 11:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>they must have had some troops out of all of them that were trained/recruited before the war that were trained in special ops.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe The Siberian Divisions were the only one (beside the NKVD). The red army was badly organized before and during the beginning of the war. Stalin ordered the death penalty for most of the high command and officers. A lot of experienced soldiers were sentenced to death before the war. When Stalin saw how bad his army was against the finnish, he ordered major changes... As you can see, the red army was in really bad shape at that time.

eiffel68
02-25-2004, 11:31 PM
IMO, the Soviet airborne troops have gained elite status by the end of the war.

Also, every guard unit was part of the Soviet elite forces.

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/images/antn45.jpg

CzechTexan
02-26-2004, 12:02 AM
Russian Battlefield (http://www.battlefield.ru/)

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80% of all German casualties in WW2 were on the Eastern Front.
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CzechTexan
02-26-2004, 12:06 AM
There is a website called Russian Battlefield that deals more with the Soviet ground forces during the war. Just go to the forums and you'll get good info.
Russian Battlefield (http://www.battlefield.ru/)

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80% of all German casualties in WW2 were on the Eastern Front.
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Slush69
02-26-2004, 02:25 AM
The Siberian divisions were exactly like any other standard rifle division in the Red Army. Only difference was that they were used to operating in winter conditions.

The USSR during WW2 had the largest airborne force in the world and carried out large number of airborne operations. Many of those fitted what we would describe as "special forces".

cheers/slush

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Red_Storm
02-26-2004, 08:04 AM
The USSR had the Red Orchestra depertment. I would call them a classified operations unit.

uberweng
02-26-2004, 08:16 AM
Istreliteli,
if you would like to learn about one aspect of soviet commando actions then you should read this book.

Blood on the Shores
by Viktor Leonov

It is an excellent book. It is very well written and provides both a personal account and a general overview. The author was a member of an elite commando detachment of the Soviet Northern Fleet and saw action against the germans and the japanese. You can get a copy of the hardcover version for about 35 NZ$ or the paperback for 20 NZ$ used from amazon. Get the hardcover because you will probably read it quite a few times.

Uberweng

ps.
this book is also available but i haven't got a copy yet:
Commandos from the Sea: Soviet Naval Spetsnaz in World War II (Naval Institute Special Warfare Series)
by Iurii Strekhnin, James F. Gebhardt (Translator), Yurly Fedorovich Strekhnin, Yuriy F. Strekhnin

Waldo.Pepper
02-26-2004, 10:30 AM
No one mentioned Partisan's yet!? They were strategicaly integrtated with the Red Army.

Gershy
02-26-2004, 11:34 AM
I read that Para units were dropped bhind german lines to organize and reinforce the partizans. So that sounds like special operations to me.

Cossack_UA
02-26-2004, 12:09 PM
From the very beginning Red Army had Reconnaissance and Demolition Divisions. They were specially trained to do commando's job: quiet close quarters combat and taking live prisoners.

There was also Morskaya Pehota (rus. literally marine infantry). Morskaya Pehota is kinda like us marines, but during WWII they wore Navy uniforms isnstead of como, which is strange becase they fought mainly on dry land LOL. One of our guys here has a picture in a sig of sailors fighting german infantry on the shore. That's Morskaya Pehota. The white uniforms weren't worn in combat. Black uniforms were worn and many of them would take their shirts off in the heat of battle and have only Telnyashka on (telnyashka is a long sleeved undershirt with stripes all over).

Fenna
02-26-2004, 02:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Storm:
The USSR had the Red Orchestra depertment. I would call them a classified operations unit.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I mean department (H).

Whatsmypassword
02-26-2004, 07:21 PM
Special Brigade of NKVD (25,000 commandos)

Special Group of NKVD – Pavel Sudoplatovâ's group that coordinated Partisans

The RKKA (Red Army) has special forces (Reconnaissance units) at all levels of command beginning from battalion – regiment – division – corps –army – front and at last Chief Intelligence Department(GRU) of the RKKA.

Air Borne Forces of the RKKA were formed in 1930 and they also had their special forces (several brigades were formed by Starinov)

Marines of VMF also had special forces.

Special Engineer Brigade of the central HQ of Partisan Movement (Ilia Starinov - a famous Soviet mine-layer) Hemingway wrote a novel about his brigade that fighted in Spain in 1936..

+ (of course) Partisans

noil_rion
03-02-2004, 12:39 AM
Probably the most commando like forces were Special Purpose (OsNaz) NKVD Frontier Guard divisions. They were usually acting in small groups (30-150) and were executing quick assault and terror missions on or neyond the enemy border.

BTW
With all due respect, partizans (i.e., guerillas) were not at all a special force though other special forces often used their support.