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RAAF_Intrepid
03-31-2004, 07:36 PM
Why is the B24 never included in any flight sim?

Used by all the allied airforces, the B 24 was the most used bomber of the war and still it never gets the reconition is truely deserves.

Please consider the B24 in Pacific fighters

Intrepid

RAAF_Intrepid
03-31-2004, 07:36 PM
Why is the B24 never included in any flight sim?

Used by all the allied airforces, the B 24 was the most used bomber of the war and still it never gets the reconition is truely deserves.

Please consider the B24 in Pacific fighters

Intrepid

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03-31-2004, 07:50 PM
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HarryVoyager
04-01-2004, 09:38 AM
Would it be possible to organise a group of modellers to try and build one, if it isn't already planned for PF?

I know I have nowhere near the skill to do the entire aircraft, but I can certainly do peices of it.

Harry Voyager

Gunner_361st
04-01-2004, 09:44 AM
Roger that. The Liberator just never got the glory/attention that the Lancaster and Fortress received.

It'd be nice to see it modeled to show that it is not forgotten. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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P-DEX
04-01-2004, 10:23 AM
Ah, the Lib...she's not forgotten by me.

My grandfather (who passed away in late 2000) flew as an 18 year old left waist gunner on about half a dozen missions over occupied France. He was with the 93rd Bomb Group, the name of his ship was "Heavenly Daze." I asked him not long before he died if he had seen German fighters on the few missions he flew and he confirmed that he did see a few. Of course, I then asked him (rather excitedly) if he shot any of them down. His answer was, "Oh hell, I don't know...all you could see were tracers firing at the same little dot in the sky. We had a few guys make claims for kills, but I don't see how they could be certain with all that fire in the sky." I also remember him saying that they had the RAF escorting them once or twice. He later requested ground crew duty and finished the war working on B-24's. Then there was the Berlin Airlift...

He is greatly missed.

Sturmtrooper
04-01-2004, 03:30 PM
I have a B-24 pilots manual . It's "classified" , dates to 1942 I beleive . If anyone wants to try and model this lovely bird , I would be more than happy to scan the necessary info for ya .

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Winter-Sturm
04-01-2004, 03:51 PM
I saw a doco on Aussie TV about a group of Aussies putting together a restored B-24 they were even using parts and data (as templates) gathered from crash sites around the pacific. One crash site was in such good condition where the plane basically landed in a marsh without taking much damage.

I never knew of it until I saw that.

Winter-Sturm
04-01-2004, 04:27 PM
This website is a great resource for the B-24 and it's service duties for Australia. (http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/duigan_terry_aircraft.html)

down the bottom of the page are some great photos of the aircraft under construction and in action.

I noticed a link to the reconstruction project but it does not work.

GeniusGoneWrong
04-01-2004, 07:09 PM
That B-24 Winter-Sturm is talking about has been under restoration for years (I can't remeber how long but it is at least 10 years), about two minutes walk from my house. They source parts from all over the world most of it donated from crahs sites, and the public can have a look around for $5.
Unfortunately at the moment restoration has been suspended indefinently due to the structural safety of the hangar it is stored in. (A the roof of similar hangar in the same field collasped about 1 month ago.)
Once completed the plan is to move it (How I don't know!)

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Winter-Sturm
04-01-2004, 09:43 PM
I was wondering what had happened to the project. I hope that things turn good for them.

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GeniusGoneWrong
04-01-2004, 11:38 PM
They've only just started repairing or demolishing (not sure which but I think the hangars are protected as they date back to WW2 and are of some historical value) the collapsed hangar, and the one with the B-24 is closed until it can either be strengthened or a new location for the bomber can be found. As it is there are parts a fuselage lying around outside.

We're lucky where we are, the Pt Cook airbase is nearby, which has the RAAF museum in it... well worth a look.
They've got a P-51 with the merlin sitting beside it, a mosquito under restoration and a couple of hangars full of everything ranging from another Mustang, some WWI aircraft, Meteors, Vampires, Sabres, an F-4E and Mirage III, and a working Canberra bomber plus a stack of other I can't remember off hand. It's a possibility that that's where the B-24 will end up.

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nanuuq
04-01-2004, 11:58 PM
Dear B-24 fans,

Like you I am a huge bomber fan. It would be great to see alot of the bombers in any sim created by the IL-2 creators.

Like they have stated many times before, bombers are a huge task to create, time, information, etc.... Who knows, maybe we will see one added on at a latter date in a patch. You never know.

Last summer I was lucky enough to see 2 different B-24's flying at the same airshow. There were also 5 B-17's, a Lancaster, two B-25's, and an A-26. Oh yeah a Ju-52 was there also.

Fighters are cool but the "heavies" really leave an impression. Particularily the Lancaster. My new fav. Easily the coolest sounding plane ever. And the loudest WW2 bomber (have not been lucky enough to see or hear the only flying B-29).

Well keep your spirits up I am sure with time we may get some of these planes.

nanuuq

CHDT
04-02-2004, 10:22 AM
"Like they have stated many times before, bombers are a huge task to create, time, information, etc...."


No, for the B-24, I would be simply pleased to have the pilot and the rear gunner post, with a simplified post for the bombardier.

For me, it's a waste of time to model for instance lateral gunners posts which nobody would use anyway more than one time just to see it.

Cheers,

Future-
04-02-2004, 10:44 AM
I have to disagree... although these occasions don't happen often, they do: the moment when you feel the urgent need to use the lateral guns manually. Same applies for all other gun stations.

So my take on this is, I want the B-24, but either fully modelled or as an ai-plane with externals only... no half-way cures for the interior please.

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One13
04-02-2004, 10:55 AM
Didn't the B24 use the same turret in nose and tail position? Also the dorsal and ventral turrets are the same as the B17. All these things should simplify modelling a little.
It would be good to see one of the most produced bommbers in game.

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Rebel_Yell_21
04-02-2004, 03:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nanuuq:
Particularily the Lancaster. My new fav. Easily the coolest sounding plane ever. And the loudest WW2 bomber (have not been lucky enough to see or hear the only flying B-29).
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The 4 merlins are loud, but I live north of Houston, and I have seen FiFi fly several times, and she lays everything else in the shade.

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nanuuq
04-02-2004, 04:24 PM
To CHDT,

I agree with you, I would like to see just the pilot/bombadier(bombsight) stations for all of the bombers to make them flyable. I have posted this hundreds of times to Oleg and Luthier. They both have stated that his will never happen. They want to make the simulator as realistic as possible. And that includes all gunners stations. I guess I have no problem with that. Its there sim. I am sure they will eventually show up in a patch in the future. Hold tight.

To Rebel_Yell_21,

I wish I could see FiFi fly. She was supposed to come to an air show near where I live. I guess she was having mechanical problems and couldn't make it. That sucked. I know the B-29 is loud as hell. But the purr of the 4 Merlins is pretty tough.

nanuuq

RAC_Pips
04-02-2004, 04:35 PM
Gotta agree with this one. The B-24 was THE principle bomber for the Pacific for most of the War.

The B-17 was around at the start in the Philipines, flew at both Midway and in New Guinea, but was withdrawn from service by late '42.

The B-24 took over the role and was the preferred heavy bomber due to it tricycle landing gear, better range and load carrying capability. And it flew just about everwhere. New Guinea, Borneo, Dutch East Indies, mid Pacific, India, Philipines and China.

Although theB-29 later took over the major role of attack on Japan, the B-24 was still operated up until the end of the war throughout the Pacific. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG7_Rall
04-02-2004, 04:40 PM
All bombers are welcome. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

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NegativeGee
04-02-2004, 04:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by One13:
Didn't the B24 use the same turret in nose and tail position? Also the dorsal and ventral turrets are the same as the B17. All these things should simplify modelling a little.
It would be good to see one of the most produced bommbers in game.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats true, some B-24's had the Consoildated tail turret fitted to the nose position as well.

There may have been others fitted to both postions as well.

Lets hope for at least one type of AI Liberator though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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kozhe
04-04-2004, 07:00 AM
B-24G were the first models to have a factory build nose turret although some D models had some mods with A-6 tail turrets on their nose.

The H used the new Emerson A-15 turrets, but earlier J models had the tail turrets, because there was a little production of the new type.

And most of the Navy PB4Y-1 had the new ERCO turret.

Heavy_Weather
04-04-2004, 12:33 PM
it was in CFS 1&2

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