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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 03:45 PM
I just got the ideas for diff. views. Bomb cams so you could watch them hit the target, rocket and bullet cams so you could watch them hit the target, what do you guys think, it would be like and IL2 Max Payne!

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 03:45 PM
I just got the ideas for diff. views. Bomb cams so you could watch them hit the target, rocket and bullet cams so you could watch them hit the target, what do you guys think, it would be like and IL2 Max Payne!

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 03:57 PM
I have asked oleg this already lots of months ago

His answer was he was going to try to implement it in *NEXT* sim

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 04:36 PM
Especially following dropping bomb and then swooping to upper corner view as bombs go off would be nice indeed.

I dont know why the il2 bombing hasnt ever lighted my fire, the only deacent bombing I have had was with BoB and B17 II sim if I remember correctly.

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 05:11 PM
It's been suggested before, but it doesn't hurt to bring it up again. More views would be nice and a good set of weapons views would make for great videos http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.


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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 08:46 PM
Snoop_Baron wrote:
- It's been suggested before, but it doesn't hurt to
- bring it up again. More views would be nice and a
- good set of weapons views would make for great
- videos /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .


I agree!

I think the 'view' system of FB (or IL2) is not bad, but certainly not extremely good either.

I miss a more 'dynamic' chase view, a better fly-by view (to put in few words) and ofcourse the bomb/rocket view (plain MG/cannon view would seem to be pushing it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ).

but the bomb/rocket view has been there in the majority of flightsims that ever appeared the markets (I can remember even Chuck Yeagers Air Combat even had a bomb and rocket view and that was I dunno how many years ago (+10?)).

Anyways, BUMP! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 11:30 PM
MAN ...chuck yeagers...that was like...hmmmm...early 90's i think. that was a great game for its time. you guys remember BOB Their Finest Hour? thats was the first combat sim i ever played. i always think that if you showed me screen shots of FB back when i was playing that game, i would have pee'd my pants. anyhow, sorry for changing the subject.

the limited views in FB have always been a complant of mine. i want just a free camrea so you can go back and watch ground attacks on airbases and such. i know there already kinda is a free view, but its all wierd and hard to position the camrea in a good spot.

as far as bombing, if i want to watch my bombs hit, i usually hit f3 for the flyby. but that dosent work when bombing from high alt and can also be dangerous when dive bombing or "level" bombing from low alt.

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Message Edited on 08/22/0310:30PM by TheGeneral_D

XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 02:46 AM
Boosher-PBNA wrote:
- I just got the ideas for diff. views. Bomb cams so
- you could watch them hit the target, rocket and
- bullet cams so you could watch them hit the target,
- what do you guys think, it would be like and IL2
- Max Payne!
-


No, it would be like WWII Fighters. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 03:02 AM
Chuck Yeager had a couple of nice camera modes. The missile view was always nice, and if memory serves, they also would go to an 'instant replay' in dramatic moments. I played the f*&^ out of CYAC on my old Mac, until I got a new one and realized I'd lost the activation codes :-(

That'd be real nice - you make a tough deflection shot, and see it again from an external view, then go back to the action. That'd probably only work in single-player, but it would be a nice change of pace for dogfight servers. The 'full real' zealots would go positively rabid over this, so it'd need to be a server-side option.

This'd do a lot for the cinematic mind of immersion and add a LOT to the 'sizzle' factor, this game already has plenty of 'steak'.

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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 02:11 AM
Flanker 2.5 has the bomb-view thing... missiles too. Quite nice.

>>K

XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 02:51 AM
I agree with the bomb/rocket cam idea. Why not implement it in FB in an upcoming patch? Just attach a temporary camera to the bomb/rocket and delete it when the thing goes off! Unless I really am ignorant and there is some programming block that makes this impossible...

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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 04:10 AM
one more feature that Chuck Yeager also had (and which FB sorely lacks IMHO), is not only a very good replay system (waaay better than FB's) *BUT!* the fact that you could 'take over' at any point in the replay...

man, if all these features would be in FB (better view system, better replay system coupled with ability to take over), it would be sooooooo much better!



Message Edited on 08/24/0305:15AM by Fresshness

XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 04:15 AM
computer_67 wrote:
- I agree with the bomb/rocket cam idea. Why not
- implement it in FB in an upcoming patch? Just attach
- a temporary camera to the bomb/rocket and delete it
- when the thing goes off! Unless I really am ignorant
- and there is some programming block that makes this
- impossible...


I don't think you're ignorant considering you hinted at the real problem (game engine design, maybe if they wanted to add bomb camer view, they need to recode the entire bombing sequences/procedures. it's a possibility).


even the ability to 'view' ground targets (friendly/enemy) like we can do now with planes is also a serious lack imho

I hope, in the Oleg's next sim, where all of these features listed in this thread are implemented, that we also would have the ability to inport FB's maps and airplanes, so we can enjoy FB the way it is with a better engine. (or maybe they are already included /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif would be sweeeeet /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ).