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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 06:36 PM
what was the best air force during WWII?

- Luftwaffe: it fights during the entire war, it was able to conquer different countries in months, it shot down thousands enemy planes even in the worst conditions, the greatest aces of all time were in it,it fights bravely against the 3 greates countries of the wolrd at the same time bringing down many planes, it was the first air force to use jets in combat....BUT instead of everithing it lost the war...
- RAF: it fight during the entire war, it was able to stop the germans when they thought to be unbeatable, they fought in almost every front, they were brave enough to bomber the germans since the very begining....BUT they wouldn´t have been able to win the war alone....
-Soviet air force: it had to suffer the pre-war Stalin rage and even so was ready to fight at 1941, it suffered enourmos losses,especially at the begining, and even so they continued fighting and grothwing, they were able to fly when enemy thought it was impossible,they won the war...BUT suffered enourmos losses on it and a great number of enemy air force was finally in other countries....
-Us air force: they destroyed german industry from the air!, they were able to destroy more fighters in 1944 than any other allies, they were the fearest enemies among the luftwaffe, they were the most balanced air force;it has planes for everithing...BUT its country and industry was never touch by enemy because of the distance, they entered battle 1942 when enemy was already wasted...

So considering this... what do you think?...

XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 06:36 PM
what was the best air force during WWII?

- Luftwaffe: it fights during the entire war, it was able to conquer different countries in months, it shot down thousands enemy planes even in the worst conditions, the greatest aces of all time were in it,it fights bravely against the 3 greates countries of the wolrd at the same time bringing down many planes, it was the first air force to use jets in combat....BUT instead of everithing it lost the war...
- RAF: it fight during the entire war, it was able to stop the germans when they thought to be unbeatable, they fought in almost every front, they were brave enough to bomber the germans since the very begining....BUT they wouldn´t have been able to win the war alone....
-Soviet air force: it had to suffer the pre-war Stalin rage and even so was ready to fight at 1941, it suffered enourmos losses,especially at the begining, and even so they continued fighting and grothwing, they were able to fly when enemy thought it was impossible,they won the war...BUT suffered enourmos losses on it and a great number of enemy air force was finally in other countries....
-Us air force: they destroyed german industry from the air!, they were able to destroy more fighters in 1944 than any other allies, they were the fearest enemies among the luftwaffe, they were the most balanced air force;it has planes for everithing...BUT its country and industry was never touch by enemy because of the distance, they entered battle 1942 when enemy was already wasted...

So considering this... what do you think?...

XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 06:42 PM
Well........the gasoline is here...who's gonna strike the match?


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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 06:43 PM
Um, not me lol!

XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 06:47 PM
Luftwaffe, Soviet, UK, US...

What to choose, what to choose...


Finnish Air Force, thank you.



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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 06:48 PM
The Allies on the whole were the greatest airfoce. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif It was a team effort each one doing their part to end the most terrible conflict man has ever known.
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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 06:49 PM
*woosh*

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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 06:54 PM
If i'm being sarcastic, I would say the polish airforce was the best. If i'm being honest, the finnish.

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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 11:45 PM
There was a German unit called "Kuhlmey" for 5 weeks in Finland and I think it was 1944 or something. They were defending in Ihantala or somethingsomething.... They had Stukas, FW190s and Me109s, at least. They were über pilots who flew maybe 7 times a day destroying advancing tanks and fuel trucks (I think it was like 60% of the bombs dropped on the enemy were dropped by these elite German forces). Without the help of this unit the defense could have collapsed and the Finns would have lost because there really was nothing but some artillery to keep them away. The place they were defending was very important..

There was a document on channel 2 a few days ago. (Finland)
So, the defense-victory wasn't possible without the Germans. But I think's that obvious anyhow. Panzerfausts, BF-109s.. that sort of stuff was probably needed in Finland.

The best air force? Who cares...the one which I am in?

XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 11:49 PM
The best was the Swedish Flygvapnet: they stayed out of it...

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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 11:49 PM
sebasgalland wrote:
- So considering this... what do you think?...

I think posts such as this are incredibly boring!

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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 11:50 PM
Well, I think the USAAF...but don't forget the IJAAF and the Regia Aeronautica. Both were major players in WWII. I think all have their merits......

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 12:06 AM
For looking pure numbers in terms of planes lost/ enemy shot down, then it is the FAF.. However I have deep respect for all the airforces in WW2.. esspecially the Germans, which had to fight two of the most powerfull nations in the world.. and still did some pretty good success even when clearly outnumbered..

Finland owns great debt for gefechtsverband Kuhlmey, arrived in Finland on summer 44 and participated in battles of Tali-Ihanlta 1944.. and had big impact on the miracle archieved in this one of the biggest battle of WW2.. (for more info check here (http://www.leosk.org/hist.php) (only finnish), or search for Kurt Kuhlmey in Google /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )

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Buzz_25th
10-18-2003, 12:10 AM
Wouldn't the best be the one who won?

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 12:51 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- Wouldn't the best be the one who won?

Maybe, maybe not, depends on the eyes that sees..

I think it was ........ and ........, my reason for this choice is that they .............

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 12:54 AM
Royal Hungarian Air Force of course. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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Buzz_25th
10-18-2003, 12:56 AM
Lets say I pick a fight with three guys, and they proceed to beat me silly.

Do I then jump up,and say no fair there were three of you?

Who's to say one by one that they wouldn't do the same thing?

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 01:11 AM
sebasgalland wrote:
--Us air force: they destroyed german industry from the air!



No bigger fan of the US Airforce will you find, but you are wrong here. German industrial production reached its HIGHEST ouput during late 1944, partly in preparation for the Ardennes offensive.

Much of this production was done underground, and did not cease completely until allied ground forces overran and captured the facilities.



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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 01:24 AM
Cossack13 wrote:
- I think posts such as this are incredibly boring!

At the same time, nobody forces you to participate, or even read it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Nic

XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 01:26 AM
Lets not forget the Japanese Air Force. At least at the start they were trained to a very high degree. Their torpedo and naval dive bombers were probably the best at the beggining of the war.

Overall, and I hate to say it, it probably was the Germans. Considering the odds and the mismanagement (any sim-head could have whooped Goering), they still pushed back right to the end.

Like the German pilot veteran said; "We either got a Iron Cross or a wooden cross."



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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 01:43 AM
I like the Luftwaffe for the same reason I like the Empire best in Star Wars http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The FW190 is much cooler than the Hurricane for the same reason that Tie Fighters are so much cooler than X-wings


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As for which was the best, hell what a ridiculous question. Do u really think u are going to get a factual accurate response to that question??

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10-18-2003, 01:58 AM
This thread should be fun http://members.optusnet.com.au/~andycarroll68/fcinema.gif




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Buzz_25th
10-18-2003, 02:00 AM
pourshot,

Just popcorn? You need a soda too like this.
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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 02:03 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- pourshot,
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- Just popcorn? You need a soda too like this.



LoL yeah I have already copy paste that one But I thought you may want to use it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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Buzz_25th
10-18-2003, 02:05 AM
We need to find a bigger one../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 02:10 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- We need to find a bigger one..



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10-18-2003, 02:14 AM
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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 02:24 AM
GR142_Astro wrote:
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- sebasgalland wrote:
---Us air force: they destroyed german industry from the air!
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- No bigger fan of the US Airforce will you find, but
- you are wrong here. German industrial production
- reached its HIGHEST ouput during late 1944, partly
- in preparation for the Ardennes offensive.
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- Much of this production was done underground, and
- did not cease completely until allied ground forces
- overran and captured the facilities.
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- "We will welcome them with bullets and shoes."


Indeed this seems true, but not because of the movement of the production facilities underground cause the increase of production, reaching a peak in late 1944, but because of the final declaration of "total War" by the German Reistagin mid 1943 and the appointment of Albert Speer as war production boss (i forget his exact role). THis cause the increase, but after this the effects of Allied bombing finally began to decrease production levels because mainly lack of oil.

Also it must be noted that to truely decide which air force during the second world war was the best, an unbias view must be taken all facts be considered equally. This almost as similar as the argument of "who was responsible for the outbrake of WW1"....

XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 02:44 AM
Someone said the Polish airforce...well, in the RAF during the Battle of Britain 303 (Polish) Squadron was the highest scoring unit for EITHER side. They had a 14:1 kill ratio, which even outperformed the elite German units like Stab JG26 (Galland's unit) which was the highest scoring German unit in the battle.

No1 Squadron RAF (mixed; British, Irish, Australian, and New Zealanders) in the battle of France downed 114 German aircraft in 10 days for the loss of only 2 pilots killed, 2 wounded, and 1 POW. In one fight 5 of them took on 15 Bf110 and 30 odd Dornier Do17's. The 110's did their job because no Dorniers were downed, but those five Hurris knocked down 10 out of the 15 110's. The remaining five 110's were left fighting the only Hurri left who had any ammo. He fought them singlehanded for about 15 minutes until they eventually hit him. The pilot, Paul Richey, baled out unhurt. ZG26 Horst Wessel were understandably quiet about losing 2/3 their number to an enemy 1/3 their strength.

Interestingly both these RAF units flew the Hurricane Mk1. Some of those in No1 Sqn still had the old wooden two blade fixed pitch prop.

Who had the best airforce? Can't answer that. They were all good in their own ways.

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 03:21 AM
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No doubts guys.. of course it was the Brazilian Air force /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


kiddin, but BAF did lot of things in Italy during 44-45 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


anyway Luftwaffe was superior to any Air force during WWII, in armament or in pilots hability.

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 05:29 AM
Choose Japanese or U.S. Navy/Marine that relied on a floating platform to conduct their missions

XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 05:40 AM
i thinks its the Finnish.............or the Luftwaffe............

think of what these airforces had to face.......the finnish flying mostly obsolete planes....and the luftwaffe under constant bombardment on all fronts.........

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 02:30 PM
i would have to say the US had the best aircraft and industry.

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 04:12 PM
Dacripler wrote:
- Choose Japanese or U.S. Navy/Marine that relied on a
- floating platform to conduct their missions

Agree. But I dont think its right to choose which was best. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 04:22 PM
Finnish airforce

their kill/loss ratios were very good

very well trained- especially gunners, apparently

made good use of what they had

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 05:47 PM
Most responding in this thread are so short sighted. The Finns might have had the best kill ratio but what else did they have/do?

An AF must do all things, that is training, hauling cargo/passengers, bombing(fb, light, medium, heavy, super heavy), fighters(long, short range), logistic support,.....

The only AF that did it all was the USAAF, with the UK/CW AFs not far behind, and all from a base that was several 1000 miles away from their source of origin.


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