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Kurfurst__
05-19-2004, 12:29 PM

Kurfurst__
05-19-2004, 12:29 PM

Gibbage1
05-19-2004, 12:32 PM
If the .50 cal spread is not fixed, then HELL NO! I did not want the .50 cal's to hit like 20MM's. I wanted them to be as accurate as the rest of the .50 cal's in game. I dont know why Oleg chose to cripple all US aircraft in this way.

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

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SeaFireLIV
05-19-2004, 12:33 PM
It`s just too early yet. I`ve had a quick campaign mission and everything seemed a bit faster and deadlier. A 109 took my Spit apart almost immediately....

With this type of stuff it always takes a while of testing to be sure...

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aerick2
05-19-2004, 01:18 PM
The thing that made me scratch my head is that none of the new planes are in the object viewer! Part of why I enjoy new planes is being able to read about them as I assemble my missions.

Other than that, 2.01 seems great.

jamesdietz
05-19-2004, 02:03 PM
I really did hope to see a flyable B-25 this time out,not just an AI one & I'm sure my British cousins hoped for mor than just an improved Spit& Hurribomber-A Typhoon,Tempest,Mosquito, Swordfish?We do have quite a few Russian additions & I suppose that's to be expected...but still....

mllaneza
05-19-2004, 02:15 PM
We probably won't ever see Object Viewer updates in a downloadable patch. The story back during IL2 days was that the object viewer files are frickin' huge - too big for download.

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LeadSpitter_
05-19-2004, 02:25 PM
everythings good they need to tone down the forward stick movement in the yaks spitfire ki84 and 190s and reduce thier roll rates.

Those planes are moving so arcadishly stalling and instant recovers its looks so damn cheesy and its definatly annoying the stick yanker porpose stall avoiders especially in closed pit servers.

They have better forward movement then the gull wings stuka. Its not bad at all but thats the only problem I see, all planes are being shotdown in a couple bursts, exploding into nothing a little too often

Its definatly a huge improvement to gunstrenght, online play and offline play. All aircraft can kill each other nicely now in a few well aimed hits and people are laughing online again

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Capt._Tenneal
05-20-2004, 07:49 AM
I voted the 2nd choice.

I know it's a free patch and I should be thankful to Oleg & Co., yada yada... and I did thank them in Thunak's sticky. My "disappointments" were more of an offline nature -- no descriptions of new planes in the Object Viewer (this has been mentioned before) and none of the new aircraft included in the offline campaigns. The new single mission for the I-185 is a good addition thanks.

The Object Viewer issue though..tsk tsk. At least include a description of ALL new flyables in the ReadMe file. Why just the I-185 M-71 and M-82 ? Especially for the new variants of the LaGG-3 and Yaks, it's hard to tell the difference among them and the previous versions. So, I'm http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif but not http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif .

TugZooey
05-20-2004, 07:53 AM
Happy so far, but I was only able to get in-game for a few seconds, flying with the keyboard none-the-less (x-45 down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif ).

I was able to shoot an IL2 down and take off in the TA-152.

Sounds like most problems have been fixed. Not enough time to see yet.

karost
05-20-2004, 09:58 AM
:Kinda what I expected

1) 151/20 in 109G2 HE fire power is back same like IL2 Sturmovik 2 years ago

2) Ta-152 will comeback for LW choice again.

3) .50 more danger (more fun) for me.

S!

ASM 1
05-20-2004, 11:54 AM
The TA-152 is much better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif
can tear the wings off B25's with a short, well aimed burst (guns are "fixed" yay! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

And it outclimbs the Spit IX @ 10 000m... apparently. Also is faster down low... and I have had 790kmh @ 10680 out of it (admittedly this was with vulnerability and overheat OFF so perhaps its not a particularly subjective test)

I'm happy..... oh wait, I guess you gathered that from this post!

S!

Andrew

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Kurfurst__
05-20-2004, 12:00 PM
Quite happy with... had little time for testing, but I quickly did a 10 min run over the crimea map with the K-4, with auto rads on WEP it last for 10mins, though I guess the engine was damaged to some extend by that time... anyway, seems some improvement in WEP time, finally.

Did a quick test with the MG 151/20 vs. Spitty IX, but it didnt seem much different. Or the Spitty still have that ridiculus Stone Skin as before... admittedly it was just one quick engagement, maybe other planes are less ultra-tough and the 20mm works fine on them.

So, after a quick glance, I am quite pleased, but many details are still hidden from me for the final judgement..

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Curly_109
05-20-2004, 12:14 PM
You know what... I'm absolutely satisfied. I expected no more. For God sake take look at the other games and their patches. In IL-2 we've got NEW planes and other new objects+some bugs fixed, which is not issue with ANY other game as far as I know it. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The whole issue of this is we're all spoiled. I caught myself whining many times about some (irrelevant?) issues. Someone want this someone want that, but we already have too much.

I do not think that this game is perfect, but also think that there is no way we were get this piece of brilliance software if there's no geniality from the development team.

I see that .50 cal whining is popular for now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Curly_109
05-20-2004, 12:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
Quite happy with... had little time for testing, but I quickly did a 10 min run over the crimea map with the K-4, with auto rads on WEP it last for 10mins, though I guess the engine was damaged to some extend by that time... anyway, seems some improvement in WEP time, finally.

Did a quick test with the MG 151/20 vs. Spitty IX, but it didnt seem much different. Or the Spitty still have that ridiculus Stone Skin as before... admittedly it was just one quick engagement, maybe other planes are less ultra-tough and the 20mm works fine on them.

So, after a quick glance, I am quite pleased, but many details are still hidden from me for the final judgement..

http://www.x-plane.org/users/isegrim/fat-furred%20tigerB.jpg

"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".
- Lt. Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945.

"One day a Tiger Royal got within 150 yards of my tanks and knocked me out. Five of our tanks opened up on him at ranges of 200 to 600 yards and got 5 or 6 hits on the front of the Tiger. They all just glanced off and the Tiger backed off and got away. If we had a tank like that Tiger, we would all be home today."
- Sgt. Clyde D. Brunson, US Army, Tank Commander, February 1945<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I read some article saying that u must back throttle to 0% and THEN engage MW50 (BOOST). And can't remember it whole though, but then gradually increasing power.Maybe it'll helps. I personally never engage BOOST on 109's 'cause price is too much expensive if you ***** your engine.

Maj_Death
05-20-2004, 12:30 PM
It is an improvement but there are still a few nagging issues and some new ones as well. The 12.7mm BMG on american planes is still way too inaccurate, the 12.7mm BMG is now as powerful as a 20mm MG151 which is just wrong, the P-51D5NT went from perfectly matching its listed top speed to being 25km/h overmodeled, the P-47 is now as agile as a spitfire to appease the P-47 whiners, the Bf-110 is no longer capable of flying under its own power (likely do to P-51 whiners who kept trying to turn fight it), and lastly is the P-47 is completely invincible to 20mm cannons. I pumped over 120 MG151 shells into one last night online and no damage occured except severed rudder controls. I repeated that several times too.

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ELEM
05-20-2004, 01:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:
I voted the 2nd choice.

I know it's a free patch and I should be thankful to Oleg & Co., yada yada... and I did thank them in Thunak's sticky. My "disappointments" were more of an offline nature -- no descriptions of new planes in the Object Viewer (this has been mentioned before) and none of the new aircraft included in the offline campaigns. The new single mission for the I-185 is a good addition thanks.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is my major disappointment. What's the point of all the new a/c if you can't select them in a new campaign? I live for the offline campaigns and I would have started a new one for each new a/c type, but can't. Surely this must be possible to do? Someone? anyone?

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

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SeaFireLIV
05-20-2004, 01:26 PM
It looks like Lowengrin (of DCG) is not out of a job yet. He`ll have them all in, if we hear nothing more from Oleg or Starshoy. At least there will be an alternative...

GerritJ9
05-20-2004, 01:29 PM
The only thing I really miss is a map of the Kiev area (my favourite city); two Stalingrad maps, two Moscow maps and two Gulf of Finland area maps are a bit over the top (but that's just my opinon- no doubt others would disagree). Would LOVE to fly over St. Sophia! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Apart from that minor gripe, I'm quite happy with the way the sim is now- and looking forward to Pacific Fighters!!!!!!!!!!

icrash
05-20-2004, 09:47 PM
Haven't played with it much, but no complaints about anything. Getting chased by a B-25H was interesting, too bad I still can't fly it. Haven't figured out why it says ground attack for it in the fmb but when I give the '25H a target, it ignores it. Oh well, I figure it out later.

DONB3397
05-20-2004, 10:07 PM
New planes. A new map. More ammo and more power in the new Spits. All good!

But I don't see any major changes in FM's of pre-existing a/c. And that's okay. I've gotten used to their performances and, on my system, they act the way I expect.

Someone said the AI is dumbed down. I don't think so. They still follow basic commands, and they fight well when I do. Not so well when I mess up.

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Loco-S
05-20-2004, 10:43 PM
hey, I have been out for a while, is this patch for FB or AEP???.....( just asking....) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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sopwithkennel
05-20-2004, 11:22 PM
Would have liked that the hard points on the Hurricane could of been changed in this patch to take bombs. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif But am more than happy with the Spitfire Mk.IX. Also love that the CR.42 now carries bombs. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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woofiedog
05-20-2004, 11:49 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gifThe one thing I really wanted to see added to IL-2 was a flyable B-25 or any of the other Bombers under devolpement. The B-25's we recieved are a work of art though... but we can't fly them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
The over all work done for us and was added to the game with the patch is Mint.
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LEXX_Luthor
05-21-2004, 12:21 AM
I was stuck between Choices 1 and 2, so I voted 1 for the good things I expected and found. AI testing in QMB I am Happier with.

Yes, about CR.42 bombs, that is what we call Perfect.

...must check this Fb110 thing though.

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pourshot
05-21-2004, 12:33 AM
I'am surprised that nobody has noticed that you cant operate the radiator manualy on the spit IX.It looks to me like it is fully open at all times.

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LeChuck59
05-21-2004, 12:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Loco-S:
hey, I have been out for a while, is this patch for FB or AEP???.....( just asking....) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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Because AEP was really just a patch for FB sold at retail, the answer is that the new patch is for both FB and AEP. FB went from 1.22 to 2.00 with AEP and the new patch brings it up to v2.01.

DuxCorvan
05-21-2004, 01:21 AM
I'm mostly satisfied. Just a few things disappoint me:

1)No flyable Hawk 75

2)No solution for sound engine, muzzle flashes, vanishing landing AI, Hurricane's ordnance and .50s dispersion. Not to mention tanks firing at planes with main gun... and shooting them down!

3)The new planes are not selectable in DGen campaigns.

BTW, I still haven't see it: has that cockpit plackard texture in Bf 109E been fixed? If not, add it to the list.

In any other respect, I like the new planes, the new desert map and the improved DMs.

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Friendly_flyer
05-21-2004, 03:37 AM
Is it just me being stupid?

I just patched from 3D-gamers, and suddenly my Sturmovik seem to have reverted to pre-AEP status. No Gladiator, no Spitfire and most certainly no new maps! Have any other experienced this?

Fly friendly!

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repco
05-21-2004, 04:51 AM
I'm loving it, my only real quibble is the lack of a dedicated server... but I guess that's on its way.

Spits overheat very quickly. Too quickly? Not tested other planes yet - I'm assuming this is across the board, in which case it's ok.

Cannons seem just as effective, but MGs have been improved? Dunno, but it feels more real that fighters take less punishment - whether on the giving or receiving end http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Aztek_Eagle
05-21-2004, 04:56 AM
i want a dedicate server not a patch

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anarchy52
05-21-2004, 06:00 AM
Since i play VEF mostly, at least I'm happy that the infamous spawn bug is fixed...
My opinions based on first few hours of play:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=636108124&r=909105224#909105224

Disclaimer: subjective, no testing

SeaFireLIV
05-21-2004, 06:14 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
I'm mostly satisfied. Just a few things disappoint me:


BTW, I still haven't see it: has that cockpit plackard texture in Bf 109E been fixed? If not, add it to the list.

- Dux Corvan -
[End QUOTE]

Interesting I never knew about that, but on a similar note, the CAA regulations data plate in the top left hand corner of the Spit cockpit (which never existed in the 1940s) has been taken out. So maybe he`s done yours too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Good things I`ve seen, noticed so far: Not much...

1. Spitfire mirror slowdown appears to have been improved.

2. Extra Rearview is real nice.

3. The unhistorical plate removed in Spit.

4. ps: I flew inbetween a friendly shooting at an enemy and I`d swear the friendly stopped firing! (Please note, this is in noway confirmed... still testing).

5. Stronger guns make life MUCH harder, especially if fighting the Luftwaffe!

Bad things:
1.No new planes in offline Campaign.

2.Yes, AI planes still vanish at end.

3.Er... Tanks firing at planes, yes. Shooting them down? I`ve never seen this. Not since original IL2.

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anarchy52
05-21-2004, 06:37 AM
I think things have changed for better for Luftwaffe...109 riders are used to beeing crippled with one, or few hits, VVS on the other hand are used to being able to take serious punishment...

WOLFMondo
05-21-2004, 07:14 AM
I won't be truly happy till we get the Spit XIV and Tempest Vhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

On a whole I think the new patch is great, the new planes and changes are good. Since AEP in general this game has got a new lease of life IMHO and I play it a whole lot more now with the enthusiasm I had for the original IL2.

BTW I quite liked the Spitfire plate, might not be historically correct but it did add some character.

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WWScout
05-21-2004, 08:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maj_Death:
It is an improvement but there are still a few nagging issues and some new ones as well. The 12.7mm BMG on american planes is still way too inaccurate, the 12.7mm BMG is now as powerful as a 20mm MG151 which is just wrong, the P-51D5NT went from perfectly matching its listed top speed to being 25km/h overmodeled, the P-47 is now as agile as a spitfire to appease the P-47 whiners, the Bf-110 is no longer capable of flying under its own power (likely do to P-51 whiners who kept trying to turn fight it), and lastly is the P-47 is completely invincible to 20mm cannons. I pumped over 120 MG151 shells into one last night online and no damage occured except severed rudder controls. I repeated that several times too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is purely subjective on my part because I like the 110 (and love the P-38), but the 110 flown well used to give the P-38 fits before the patch. In fact it was every bit as capable a fighter plus it had rearward firing guns. So my thought is that in AEP either the P-38 wasn't good enough or the 110 was too good.
I agree with the .50 cal gun spread. Doesn't look like they touched it. Still the patch is an improvement and I'm happy for that.

Capt._Tenneal
05-21-2004, 08:39 AM
Looking back on my previous post, I'll now give Oleg (and Starshoy) the benefit of the doubt on the new aircraft not being in the campaigns. When we first got the B-17, P-51, and the Japanese planes in patch 1.21 they were not included in campaigns also, not until AEP was released. It took 3rd party mission and campaign authors to place them in campaigns.

eyevann
05-21-2004, 10:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by repco:
I'm loving it, my only real quibble is the lack of a dedicated server... but I guess that's on its way.

Spits overheat very quickly. Too quickly? Not tested other planes yet - I'm assuming this is across the board, in which case it's ok.

Cannons seem just as effective, but MGs have been improved? Dunno, but it feels more real that fighters take less punishment - whether on the giving or receiving end http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

spent 2.5 hours this am flying the new patch...Spits overheat really fast (even at 60% power). I think I'll need to work some mixture into my controls. All planes I have previously flown and now fly under the patch are more difficult to fly and takeoff (more realistic?). Easier to stall. Crashed 3 times trying to take off in a Yak 3 before trimming down elevator which solved the problem. Learning to fly the Bl-1 Russian Rocket plane for B&Z is great fun and actually went against a Komet. All in all...great patch to a great game.....now if I can only learn to shoot something down instead of getting flamed constantly.....

Loco-S
05-21-2004, 10:28 PM
Im going to make a test, putting patch 2.01 over the standard FB to see what happens.....I hope it does not make my 'puter go choo choo....

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