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WTE_Tigger
07-10-2004, 02:50 AM
S!

Greetings,

Could we please have special ordinance? Incendary Bombs, Flares, Smoke etc..

Alot of Mudmovers would appreciate the ability to mark a target night or day as Pathfinders often did.

It suprises me that such things haven't been included allready in FB-AEP, I feel they would be of great benifit.

S!

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WTE_Tigger
07-10-2004, 02:50 AM
S!

Greetings,

Could we please have special ordinance? Incendary Bombs, Flares, Smoke etc..

Alot of Mudmovers would appreciate the ability to mark a target night or day as Pathfinders often did.

It suprises me that such things haven't been included allready in FB-AEP, I feel they would be of great benifit.

S!

Cheers

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WTE_Tigger
07-10-2004, 03:22 PM
bump...

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Willey
07-10-2004, 03:27 PM
I'd like normal stuff, historically correct, first http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

p1ngu666
07-10-2004, 04:04 PM
it is historicaly correct http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
it is possible too i guess
coloured smoke, and light

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Extreme_One
07-11-2004, 04:06 AM
I can't remember what they were called but they were carried under the wings of Spitfires for ferrying beer across the Channel - can we have them too please? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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WTE_Tigger
07-11-2004, 04:43 PM
Actually this is a serious request, flares and smoke were used by the RAF regularly long before D-Day.

If you need reference try reading Enemy Coast Ahead , it details the development of the RAF bombing technique and goes into detail about the forming of the first pathfinder units.

I resepect other peoples oppinions and certainly there are more pressing issues than this. But some of us like bombing missions and pathfinding ordinance would be good, and add more depth to the game.

And I don't believe it would be that big a task.

The RAF were flying Hampdens and using flares and coloured smoke, in fact the germans used to try and copy the signal and set up bogus bomb targets to misslead the buff pilots.

So I continue to ask for special ordinance please.

S!

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LeadSpitter_
07-11-2004, 04:58 PM
the 190a8 does not even have half of its ordinances. either does the p51b and c p47s are wrong, p38 and many many others.

It really adds alot to the gaming experience.

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WTE_Sikshoota
07-11-2004, 07:26 PM
S` Gents

I speak in support of either finalising or creating all of those things historically correct & of all things incomplete with IL2FB.

Lets cover all bases to stop those who would only want to criticise or use this thread for their own ends rather than the authors original intent.

Collectively we need to "stick" together when it comes to "requesting" so that the developers can then choose for themselves whether our requests are fair & reasonable.

Yep, I'm in favour of the "Pathfinder" type smoke/incendiary/flares... uhuh... & all those other good things too.

So, to those members (if there is such a group) on the Dev Team who specifically set out to "Tweak" this exceptional sim, we ask then is this a fair & viable request?

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owlwatcher
07-11-2004, 08:16 PM
The Japs. used alot of different color flares to mark thier targets. It would be nice to recreate this now and have installed in pacific fighters.

Proberton
07-11-2004, 11:26 PM
bump

WTE_Ibis
07-12-2004, 04:19 AM
Bump this one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Extreme_One
07-12-2004, 06:40 AM
I wasn't knocking your request WTE_Tigger - I was actually agreeing with you and adding a wish of my own. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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TgD Thunderbolt56
07-12-2004, 08:08 AM
With the difficulty in navigating on certain maps, pathfinder flares/smoke are a good idea.

A. They were used extensively in real life
b. The maps we currently use can be very similar and difficult to navigate without minimap path.

Our squad flew one of our own maps last night online and were flying a four plane schwarm. We knew the area of the enemy targets, but in almost 40 minutes of flying only barely found the target area once. We had 2 pilots flying dedicated jabo and 2 flying dedicated cover. We were all fairly experienced online IL2'ers and took it with a grin, but it was a little disconcerting and would have been much more effective had we the ability to mark the target area for ourselves and others.

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WTE_Tigger
07-12-2004, 05:23 PM
S!

Co-Op Missions as well as Objective based DF Missions could benifit from Special Ordinance.

In FB-AEP here we have a great game that has much depth, and some of these smallish things would add further depth to the game, extending it's life and the enjoyment we get from it.

WTE and I am sure mony other Units still do co-ops thought they seem to have dropped in popularity over the last few months, and Objective Based DogFight missions, specily scripted ones could all benifit from added depth of play. We have a number of guys who enjoy High Level Bombing, and it adds an extra element of co-operation when somone else has to get in and mark the target for the bombers.

Likewise in Pacific Fighters we are going to see the Boomerang added, this Aussie built fighter -a stop gap measure- turned out to be supurb for pathfinding work and getting in and marking the target and getting out again. It was so good a the job that right up into 1944/45 they were still using them for the job.

And then there are night missions and low light missions. Target marking is essential.

All this adds depth and enjoyment to an already awsome game/s

Bomber pilots join in and show your support for this request, we have so little in FB and everyone else is so loud, We gotta jump & down up a little just to be heard over the crowd.


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RAAF_Furball
07-13-2004, 09:01 AM
This addition would add more realism to an already-great simulation.

It would also be a great help to those with poor graphics or eyesight.

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Willey
07-13-2004, 02:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
the 190a8 does not even have half of its ordinances. either does the p51b and c p47s are wrong, p38 and many many others.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's what I meant. Before getting anything new and special (except Panzerblitz rockets of course http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif) I'd like to see those FABs, SC, SD, AB etc stuffed correctly. There are plenty of errors (1000lb and 500lb bombs mixed up on P47; only "half load" in He-111H-2 + wrong number of SC50, totally incorrect H-6 loadouts) and missings (Hurricane IIb and ESPECIALLY the field mod! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif, 109F-x/B, 190D, PB2 rockets, WGr on 109, R4M on FW, HVAR on P-51D-20 and so on).

mrs_esterhaus
07-14-2004, 05:57 AM
I consider it neither new or special, but critical. Usually stuck mud moving (although I do enjoy tank busting, don't get me wrong) because all the glory boys need their points on those scripted dogfight server, I would like to see someone (heck, I'd even do it) mark a target. Telling me a targer is in X-Y coordinate with no further details is a bit perturbing when I've got OpFor CAP's looking for my slow dumb flying self to bounce. Since I can't get good map markers, (this is a hint to mission makers) could I get a bit of smoke love?

Black Sheep
07-14-2004, 06:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Extreme_One:

I can't remember what they were called but they were carried under the wings of Spitfires for ferrying beer across the Channel - can we have them too please? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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They would be beer barrels http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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WTE_Tigger
07-15-2004, 05:17 PM
Okay Okay...

Smoke, Flares, Incendaries and BEER...

It could be a good weapon actually, you drop Beer Kegs and the enemy thinks it's October Fest time and gathers in the marked spot where the bombers come in and pound em.

Could work,

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PBNA-Boosher
07-15-2004, 07:53 PM
The flares would actually help my Nachthexen campaign. Even though they weren't used very often, those flares could save the lives of the pilots if they got into a sticky situation. Flares would be a welcome addition to the game, not only to light up a target at night, but also to make sure that you can make emergency landings at night without too much damage to the planes.

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Dunhill_BKK
07-16-2004, 12:56 AM
As Il-2 is greatly centred around hitting ground targets, the addition of flares and smoke would be a great addition to the game. It would create heightened levels of realism, encourage team play, and provide for alternative mission objectives.

I can even see cases for meta-gaming, with racing combined with dropping flares/smoke in or near a specific area.

Its all good, and I reckon most of the coding is already there.

Cheers,

Fornixx
07-16-2004, 02:57 AM
Great idea with flares and smoke! I'm all for it!

S!

WTE_Tigger
07-16-2004, 03:14 PM
Somtimes in life it's the little things that make all the differance.

Funnilly many flares and smoke markers were "thrown out the window" by pilots or crews of bombers before more sophisticated means of marking were invented.

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RAAFVirtSqn
07-16-2004, 11:53 PM
Yes support special ordinance.

If the PBY Catalina is gooing to be in AEP either in relase or later (the former first hopefully)special ordinance is a must.

We need for the Catalina:

1) Depth charges - for subs - seek and destroy Co-op missions.

2) Mines -for laying against ships in Coops

3) Must have flares to drop on night bombing missions or outline water landing path at night (also can be used if we ever get a downed pilot rescue mission option).Frag bombs were dropped from the side blisters by the Wireless Air Gunners or WAGs as were small framenentation bombs - as the Cats circled around targets such as Rabaul for over an hour under instense flak in the middle of the night.

Note: Empty beer bottles were also thrown out with old razor blades jammed in the necks - these sounded like bombs. After they had been thrown out - the Japs would come out of their slit trenches thinking it was all over. And then the daisy cutters would be released - for better effect.

4) Daisy Cutters small bomb with long pin at front)

5) Torpedos - yes believe it or not the RAAF Command in WW2 ordered No 11 - 20 Sqns to undertake torpedo atttacks on Jap cruiser/battleships which they did by mounting torpedos on the wings. Yes "no future in that" as they used to say - one way ticket usually for the big slow PBYs at 150 mph and their crew. But this was done in the Defence of Australia.

WTE_Tigger
07-23-2004, 09:53 PM
S!

Well we gotta admit the news about FB and PF is good, all that action Pacific Europe ect is going to be great.

All the more reason Special Ordinance should be included in PF and across into FB-AEP. More depth to this awsome game could only make it better!

Lets take the Aussie stopgap fighter the Boomerang, a favourite amoung us aussies. It is legendary amounf british and US pilots as the best low level pathfinder aircraft in the PTO. Not bad for a stop gap fighter put together from spare parts and old designs.

Sounds just like the other Forgotten Aircraft from FB that Oleg and Co. Love to show off. Glad it's been listed as one for PF. Now we really cant show it at it's best, doing what it did best, if we dont have the ordinance for it hey?

S!

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triggerhappyfin
08-09-2004, 09:37 AM
This should absolutely be added to IL-1fb/AEP/PF.

Also it would be nice to be able to fly artillery target spotting missions(and request for artillery fire) - this would bring a higher nescessity to destroy enemy groundtarget objects(nice to combine with recce missions).

Online flying on scripted servers these features would chance the emphasis from the eternal furballing to more real simulating of aircombat and missions.


Also larger maps should be top issues.

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