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Diablo310th
04-12-2004, 10:05 AM
hmm lets see....50lb. stick force for better roll rate, improved .50 cal dispersion, reworked cockpit by Luthier and reworked FM for better zoom climb....oh and the N model for PF. What more could a Jug pilot want???

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Diablo310th
04-12-2004, 10:05 AM
hmm lets see....50lb. stick force for better roll rate, improved .50 cal dispersion, reworked cockpit by Luthier and reworked FM for better zoom climb....oh and the N model for PF. What more could a Jug pilot want???

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TgD Thunderbolt56
04-12-2004, 10:07 AM
A thread title like "Jug Dreams" and this is the best you can do?

I'm conjuring up a few different images http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Although that 50 cal dispersion thing does get me going http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif



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BlitzPig_DDT
04-12-2004, 10:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Diablo310th:
What more could a Jug pilot want???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The M. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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BaldieJr
04-12-2004, 10:13 AM
hahaha. He said "Jug Dreams".

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Eagle_361st
04-12-2004, 11:04 AM
I am just waiting for the D-27 to have it's roll rate fixed in the patch. Then I will be one very happy Jug Driver. Then I can hope the P-47N will appear in PF and I would be complete.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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SeaFireLIV
04-12-2004, 11:08 AM
Bah! Where are the jugs? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

chris455
04-12-2004, 11:17 AM
I mostly fly the razorbacks, so the 27 rollrate thing is less of an issue for me. I hadn't heard of an FM tweak for zoom climb, whassup with that, Diablo?
The .50 dispersion issue would be very cool if it is solved.
S!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Diablo310th:
hmm lets see....50lb. stick force for better roll rate, improved .50 cal dispersion, reworked cockpit by Luthier and reworked FM for better zoom climb....oh and the N model for PF. What more could a Jug pilot want???

http://www.wellspringmarketing.biz/310th/Diablos20Sig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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BlitzPig_DDT
04-12-2004, 11:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eagle_361st:
I am just waiting for the D-27 to have it's roll rate fixed in the patch. Then I will be one very happy Jug Driver. Then I can hope the P-47N will appear in PF and I would be complete.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~S!
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To hell with it's roll. Everybody is fixated on this. The problem is it doesn't zoom like it should. Nor dive for that matter.

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heywooood
04-12-2004, 11:22 AM
I was expecting a link to "the Man Show"

mmmmmmm.... Juggies

and Tramps on trampoline..mmmmm

Diablo310th
04-12-2004, 11:24 AM
LOL Thunderbolt56....I thought I might get a response from someone like that. This was intended to spark some dreaming and fantasies. Eagle I'm with you...I just hope it truly got fixed in the patch. Luthier did say he would rework the Jug cockpit...he just didn't say when. And I've talked with the modeler about the N model and it is progressing nicely. Baldie.... just think about 2 of those 47d's side by side......LOL
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Eagle_361st
04-12-2004, 11:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eagle_361st:
I am just waiting for the D-27 to have it's roll rate fixed in the patch. Then I will be one very happy Jug Driver. Then I can hope the P-47N will appear in PF and I would be complete.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~S!
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To hell with it's roll. Everybody is fixated on this. The problem is it doesn't zoom like it should. Nor dive for that matter.

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I don't have any problems with its zoom or dive. I do have a problem with not being able to do a rolling scissors. Try to remember due to limitations of the game engine many planes dive the same(which is very lame), but the P-47 has the best high speed (800+Kph) response that I have seen. The P-51 is second (Although it has better rsponse) because it's too good which causes too many blackouts. The .50 cal dispersion would be nice if it's fixed, but I am not holding my breath and have learned to shoot as the modeling is, so the most important FM aspect for me the roll rate on the -27, it has more of a life saving aspect over any of the other stuff. The only other thing that really bothers me is the small arms one shot engine kills which still remains and now we have the molotav cocktail fires too.

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Eagle_361st
04-12-2004, 11:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Diablo310th:
LOL Thunderbolt56....I thought I might get a response from someone like that. This was intended to spark some dreaming and fantasies. Eagle I'm with you...I just hope it truly got fixed in the patch. Luthier did say he would rework the Jug cockpit...he just didn't say when. And I've talked with the modeler about the N model and it is progressing nicely. Baldie.... just think about 2 of those 47d's side by side......LOL
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Yes, the P-47N is my pet project. I am hoping it will make it into the game. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

~S!
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Diablo310th
04-12-2004, 11:33 AM
Chris455.....the zoom climb tweak is more me dreaming than anything. Like BlitzPig_DDT said..it's not right either. There was a thread over at SimHQ concerning the dive rates of all aircraft being the same only max. speeds in dive before reaching compressibility being different. It would be nice to have all of the above tho.

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GR142_Astro
04-12-2004, 11:48 AM
Cruel joke and bad form Diablo. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I thought you knew something when you snuck the fake fixes in with the roll rate.

The Jug continues to be punished by Oleg and Co. In AEP, we received:

1 - Weakened .50's

2 - One burst fires

3 - Weakened damage model

And we retained:

1 - Incorrect roll (jury is out til after patch)

2 - One burst engine KO

3 - 800kph pullouts at 200 meters

Ah well, 1C has an overflowing stable of planes to keep up with now. I'm just glad the developers of this game still allow some two-way communication.

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BlitzPig_DDT
04-12-2004, 11:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eagle_361st:
I don't have any problems with its zoom or dive. I do have a problem with not being able to do a rolling scissors. Try to remember due to limitations of the game engine many planes dive the same(which is very lame), but the P-47 has the best high speed (800+Kph) response that I have seen. The P-51 is second (Although it has better rsponse) because it's too good which causes too many blackouts. The .50 cal dispersion would be nice if it's fixed, but I am not holding my breath and have learned to shoot as the modeling is, so the most important FM aspect for me the roll rate on the -27, it has more of a life saving aspect over any of the other stuff. The only other thing that really bothers me is the small arms one shot engine kills which still remains and now we have the molotav cocktail fires too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, if being used in mud moving only, or with a-historic, almost cartoonish, advantages, sure, it can be minimized. Especially if you are a good shot and up against poor opponents.

If you remember back to the leaked beta patch that gave us the first looks at the P-51 and Ki-84 and Zero, that was where the P-47 (and 51) really zoomed in a manner conforming to the reports and tales of history.

Every patch since then, including the final release of that particular beta, has had it's zoom reduced, little by little. And I do mean *every* patch.

Now, the roll rates on all 3 have been reduced again for some reason, and the 22 and 27 perform identically. The 22 should be the hotrod of the 3 being the best climber, but it's not. It's a 27 with worse vis.

Granted, it's nowhere near as bad as it was in 1.0, and yes, it can be used in an effective manner, but, that's not the point.

On a related side note, I heard from an ex-beta tester with close ties to those still on the inside, that OM has flatly said we will never get an M. Why? It would dominate. And we can't be having that, now can we? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Eagle_361st
04-12-2004, 12:30 PM
While I won't deny that the zoom climb has been messed with in the patches. I can't expect anymore for it to be fixed properly, much like the .50 cal dispersion. So I have learned to fly the P-47 despite these things. I still think this is the best overall modeled P-47 ever in a flight sim and only hope it to be as accurate as possible. I will be extremely happy with the roll-rate being fixed, because this will allow the Jug to fight a little more evenly at lower altitudes(while it will still turn like a pig as it should), but it will have some options at least. In a perfect world the P-47 would have all it's issues fixed. But we should thankful for what we get, and once we get it move on to the next thing until it get's fixed then on down the list. And I still say that the roll-rate needs to be addressed before anything else. I guess I must be a good shot because I have never really had too much of an issue with the guns unless firing from the rear. But since most of my attacks are from head-on or from a top attack I rarely notice.

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tttiger
04-12-2004, 12:43 PM
Head on???

Ah, Eagle, I hear a flushing sound.

Must be someone's credibility going down the toilet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Show me a real life tactics manual that advocates head-on attacks, please.

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Eagle_361st
04-12-2004, 12:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tttiger:
Head on???

Ah, Eagle, I hear a flushing sound.

Must be someone's credibility going down the toilet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Show me a real life tactics manual that advocates head-on attacks, please.

ttt

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When did I ever say that I was following real life manual tactics? Ask around don't try me head on, been doing it a long, long time and very successfully. Flush that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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VW-IceFire
04-12-2004, 12:47 PM
The role rate fix and a potential M2 .50cal fix would be fantastic icing on the cake for this aircraft.

I like to fly it online, largely because nobody else does, in dogfight servers and I've found that given the right conditions it does zoom climb fairly decently...no idea if its historical or not but its quite good in that department. In a particular server I managed to sneak away from the usual battle and climb to 3000 meters. From that I proceeded to pounce on 3-4 other aircraft before returning to base with a bunch of 20mm rounds in my wing.

I did this in a D-10 mind you so I had enough roll ability to evade opponents and I kept my speed up to get away from the rest.

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WhiskeyRiver
04-12-2004, 01:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eagle_361st:
I don't have any problems with its zoom or dive. I do have a problem with not being able to do a rolling scissors. Try to remember due to limitations of the game engine many planes dive the same(which is very lame), but the P-47 has the best high speed (800+Kph) response that I have seen. The P-51 is second (Although it has better rsponse) because it's too good which causes too many blackouts. The .50 cal dispersion would be nice if it's fixed, but I am not holding my breath and have learned to shoot as the modeling is, so the most important FM aspect for me the roll rate on the -27, it has more of a life saving aspect over any of the other stuff. The only other thing that really bothers me is the small arms one shot engine kills which still remains and now we have the molotav cocktail fires too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, if being used in mud moving only, or with a-historic, almost cartoonish, advantages, sure, it can be minimized. Especially if you are a good shot and up against poor opponents.

If you remember back to the leaked beta patch that gave us the first looks at the P-51 and Ki-84 and Zero, that was where the P-47 (and 51) really zoomed in a manner conforming to the reports and tales of history.

Every patch since then, including the final release of that particular beta, has had it's zoom reduced, little by little. And I do mean *every* patch.

Now, the roll rates on all 3 have been reduced again for some reason, and the 22 and 27 perform identically. The 22 should be the hotrod of the 3 being the best climber, but it's not. It's a 27 with worse vis.

Granted, it's nowhere near as bad as it was in 1.0, and yes, it can be used in an effective manner, but, that's not the point.

On a related side note, I heard from an ex-beta tester with close ties to those still on the inside, that OM has flatly said we will never get an M. Why? It would dominate. And we can't be having that, now can we? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Diablo310th
04-12-2004, 01:49 PM
LOL Astro.....sorry about teasing you like that. Lets just hope that it doesn't get porked anymore in this patch. The zoom was great in rc02 if i remember right. It would be nice to have that back again. WE may never get the M model....but I'll take an N with 25% fuel. IceFire..I agree..I will be happy with a rollrate fix and the .50 cal dispersion fixed as long as we don't lose anything else. Better E retention would be nice but like Eagle said..i'm not going to hold my breath on it. I finally have gotten where I can make 3-4 attacks (notice I didn't say kills) maybe get one kill or 2 and return home with lots of holes in "Teachers' Pet" and a smoking engine but at least I'm getting home safe now.

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Korolov
04-12-2004, 01:53 PM
Best place to fly a P-47 is in a game with externals off. Becomes pure murder in such a game - but I imagine most of you already know that.

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tttiger
04-12-2004, 02:02 PM
LOL, Eagle, no worries, I won't try to HO you. Or anyone.

In my WarBirds/Dawn of Aces days, it was considered the Number 1 Dweeb (Noob we call 'em here) Tactic. Anyone who did an HO was hammered verbally by everyone in the arena. I was shamed out of that habit at a very young sim age http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

These days I don't do it because I'm getting on in years, my eyesight is feeble, my reaction time is slow and the enemy (who starts shooting at 500 meters if he's an AI) has killed me long before I can line up a shot at a closing speed of 1,000 kph (wait...I have to wipe some drool off the keyboard...but I have to move real slow http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

It might, however, explain those "Molotov Cocktails" you say get tossed into your P-47 engine. I fly the Jug about 90% of the time and almost never have an engine fire. Of course, I'm just guessing here...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

ttt

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chris455
04-12-2004, 02:04 PM
TTiger,
Head on attacks were a valid and deadly tactic, especially in the PTO.
It was a tactic that US planes and pilots excelled at.
If you want to cite manuals, find one that talks about "Beam defense maneuver" better known as the "Thatch weave". That maneuver, if executed correctly, culminates in a head to head shootout every time.

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tttiger
04-12-2004, 02:13 PM
Chris,

Robert Shaw describes the Thatch Weave on Pages 210 and 211 of "Fighter Combat." It is indeed also called "beam defense" and the result is "almost head-on" attacks by the Wildcats.

I'll concede the point, in the Pacific.

I know Hellcats did the same later in the war. Navy pilots (oops, aviators http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)trained in forward-quarter attacks and high deflection shooting in WWII.

But never against a Frank or a German fighter http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Aloha,

ttt



Aloha,

ttt

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Snyde-Dastardly
04-12-2004, 02:45 PM
Hey to be honest Id be happy if any at all fixes went into the 47s. It is a pain in the ars when ya put her in a dive and a zero stays on your 6 without sheering its wings. But theres nothing like 8 50s tearing the hell out of a target! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif Ill never give up my jug

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chris455
04-12-2004, 03:02 PM
Ttigger,
I'll try to source this later, (at work right now) but the Thatch weave was actually use by F4 Phantom drivers in Vietnam also. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

However, I'll concede that, say, flying a Mustang, I wouldn't want to Thatch-weave a Wurger. Bad career move.
Cheers-
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GR142_Astro
04-13-2004, 01:55 AM
NP Diablo. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

It seems we may take a step back in the positive direction. Eventually, they're going to quit patching this game, so I hope they get the Jug right before leaving FB for good.

I'm with Eagle on this one, a correct roll rate would(will) give the Jug a whole new life. As far as ACM, I do really well in the Razorback models, but when it comes time to shoot.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

I will never understand why the D27 handles so poorly compared to the D22. So it carried more fuel, but I always take 25%. Riddle me that batman http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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Diablo310th
04-13-2004, 05:52 AM
Astro....I hope your right about Oleg getting it right this time. I feel the same way..I think the patches to this are about to reach their end. Now there is where we are different..I don't like the Razorbacks....I fly the D-27 almost exclusively if it's available. I jsut can't see squat from a razorback. I'll take visibility over a littel more performance anyday. As long as you keep your speed and altitude up you can do about anything in the D-27 except..never never try to go over teh top in a loop unless it's a quick move and you have tons of speed. The E loss is terrible. That's another part I hope is fixed with the patch...It was there in the leaked beta so all we can hope for is that the code got fixed on that part as well.

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Cajun76
04-13-2004, 06:12 AM
Someone mention Jugs? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

For what it's worth on the FM debate, everytime I try the -27, I scamper back to my -10. It actually feels nimble* compared to the -27, and it dosen't seem to just be the rollrate. Anyways, a big S! to all the Jug pilots out there. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


* I can't say nimble and the P-47 in the same sentence in some US states and certain countries, it's illegal. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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04-13-2004, 07:11 AM
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BlindHuck
04-13-2004, 11:32 AM
As I recall German flight testing resulted in their opinion that the Jug had the one of best roll rates in ETO at altitude. Does the game's Jug have altitude varying roll performance (any of the other aircraft). That would be sumthin: altitude dependant FM's (not just speeds and climbs - climbs vary with altitude, don't they. Please tell me they do . . . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif).

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DuxCorvan
04-13-2004, 11:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What more could a Jug pilot want???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A P-51? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Eagle_361st
04-13-2004, 11:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What more could a Jug pilot want???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A P-51? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The P-51, yeah I like her. It's always good to have a backup plane. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Cajun76
04-13-2004, 12:37 PM
Hey Eagle! I haven't been around as much lately as I used to, but what's "funny guy" doing under your avatar? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif And any new updates on the P-47N or even M? My pledge still stands. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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Eagle_361st
04-13-2004, 12:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cajun76:
Hey Eagle! I haven't been around as much lately as I used to, but what's "funny guy" doing under your avatar? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif And any new updates on the P-47N or even M? My pledge still stands. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Good hunting,
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CrazyIvan gave me the title for the fun of it. I like it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Check your PT's for the P-47N. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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LilHorse
04-13-2004, 01:02 PM
For what it's worth. Head-on attacks were advocated by Claire Chennault, and he did commit that tactic to paper. In fact, it was Chennault's tactics write up that Jimmy Thach and Butch O'Hare based their tactics on.

LilHorse
04-13-2004, 01:16 PM
Oh, and as for the Jug.... I really hope they come up with all the necessary fixes. But I wouldn't count on it. It's my favorite fighter of the war, although I haven't gotten much of a chance to get good with it in this sim. And even with that I almost wish it had never been introduced into this sim. Ever since it has it's never been quite right. If it isn't gonna get done right, or it there really is a bias against it, then why put it in at all? Didn't somebody mention the "flood of aircraft that the developers have to keep up with". I agree. I think this sim would have been much better if they had stuck to those a/c that really participated in numbers in the Eastern ETO. A smaller number of a/c that are fully developed ("Uh-huh-huh. He thaid fully developed. Uh-huh-huh. Jug dreams. Uh-huh-huh.)

Anyway, good luck to you Jug drivers. I hope to be able to join your ranks one day. That is, if it's done the way it should be.

paradoxbox
04-13-2004, 04:00 PM
Funny tttigger, because I seem to have guncam footage of P-38's making headon attacks on german fighters. A lot of footage actually.. Seems to make sense that a fighter with massive firepower in the nose especially would go headon? Methinks you don't know what you're talking about.. But ok http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BS87
04-13-2004, 04:26 PM
The jug is a wonderful aircraft. I mainly fly the Pony, because the jug does not fit my 'style' but every now and then i go back to my old flame and have a ball diving at insane speeds with 8 .50s blazing.

Diablo310th
04-14-2004, 06:46 AM
Can any beta testers tell us if the dispersion and roll rate truly got fixed? And if it did lets hope it stays that way when the final patch comes out. Someone posted over in PF that it has the wrong gunsight also. any chance that could get fixed?

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Diablo310th
04-22-2004, 05:45 AM
[UPDATE]
1. 50lb stick force......done
2. .50 cal. dispersion....done
3. N model....almost done
4. Now Oleg says with enough proof maybe G-suits
For us Jug pilots it's getting better and better. Now if the self-sealing fuel tanks were modeled....and better API ammunition...and fix the catching fire to easily damage . OK I'm dreaming again.

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[This message was edited by Diablo310th on Thu April 22 2004 at 05:11 AM.]

VW-IceFire
04-22-2004, 07:12 AM
I disagree on patches. I think they will be slower but Oleg has been saying that flyable B-25's not till the summer and the same with the Hawk 75 (P-36) and we've got some other notables in the pipe....Tempest V for instance http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Once we have a Tempest V I'll fly on the wing of any Jug pilot and we'll have a blast http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Cajun76
04-22-2004, 07:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Diablo310th:
[UPDATE]
1. 50lb stick force......done
2. .50 cal. dispersion....done
3. N model....almost done
4. Now Oleg says with enough proof maybe G-suits
For us Jug pilots it's getting better and better. Now if the self-sealing fuel tanks were modeled....and better API ammunition...and fix the catching fire to easily damage . OK I'm dreaming again.

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[This message was edited by Diablo310th on Thu April 22 2004 at 05:11 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A Jug with teeth? And the upcoming N model to boot....

Cajun will now do the "Happy Dance" and you're all blessed to NOT be able to see it...... it's not pretty, precious, not pretty at all..... gollum! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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Diablo310th
04-22-2004, 08:30 AM
IceFire I hope your wrong about the patches porking the Jug again. I hope it's done right this time. Cajun...wouldn't it be really nice to have a Jug with real bite now? Imagine with all the scheduled changes and the fire problem taken away and G-suits to fight the blackout. The Jug will definately get alot better. I'm doing pretty good in it now but wow!!! I can't wait. Of course just like every other time when a patch comes out...You have to learn to fly all over again but it will be worth it. I'm already doing the happy dance Cajun if the dang patch will jsut hurry and get here. (hint hint hint)

ps..oh yeah and Luthiers promise to redo the cockpit. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

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Eagle_361st
04-22-2004, 08:45 AM
I hope it is fixed, because I fear this is our last chance to get it right in FB. I will be very happy to see the D-27 get a correct roll rate, and the .50's have a normal dispersion.

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ShVAK
04-22-2004, 08:46 AM
1. Fix the gunpower (dispersal and FW190/Ki84 damage ability).
2. Fix the D-27 roll rate.
3. Fix the too easy now to catch on fire since AEP bug.
4. That's it. I don't want a M or N model in the game, as everyone will then suddenly start to fly the new Jugg!


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Diablo310th
04-22-2004, 08:53 AM
Eagle...I'm afraid your right. If it doesn't get fixed this time I don't think it ever will be in FB. We'll have to live with "her" the way she is. ShVAK..true more people will fly the Jug but I think most people are still T&B's especially Noob's. It still takes alot of practice to be good at B&Z done right. I just wish I was getting better at it. Ohh well I'll fly the girl to the end.

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Cajun76
04-22-2004, 08:59 AM
That's what I don't want to see, the Jug become too popular. Can you imagine it being listed in the "noob" category? Not that there are really 'noob' planes, some a/c just require more patience than others. I like the challenge. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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Diablo310th
04-22-2004, 10:18 AM
Cajun....this is true, I never wanna see her listed as a Noob plane. Right now I like being one of the few flying the Jug. I think teh Jug will still have enough problems going for it for most to wanna fly it. It still accelerates slowly...isn't the fastest roller....except in a zoom climb ,climbs slowly and some people think she is just plain ugly. I think most people wanna fly a fast nimble fighter like the Spit or Messer 109.

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ShVAK
04-22-2004, 10:26 AM
lol - that would be terrible - being called a noob in P-47!

I forgot fix #5, and that would be to add the 13' Hamilton Standard (or Curtiss Electric) low-level propellor performance to the existing D-22 and D-27. This alone would knock off 3.4 minutes in a climb to 20,000 feet.


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Eagle_361st
04-22-2004, 10:35 AM
Oh yes I knew I was forgetting something. If there was anything more important than the incoorect roll-rate, please for the love og God fix the stupid a$$ fire bug, the Jug is a flying molitov cocktail right now, which is in no way historically correct. I doubt the .50's will ever be totally right, but if they improve even a little I will be very happy, I can live with them where they are at, but they do need improvement. I also doubt that the one shot engine kill bug, loss of controls due to small arms will ever be fixed either. But I think alot of these problems can be attributed to the limits of the game engine, because I see alot of other aircraft with the very same problems. I want all of the aircraft as accurate as possible, but what is a limit of the game must be accepted and learned to live with. Which I can, I have said it many, many times and I will say it again. Even with these problems the FB P-47 is by far the best piece of coded Jug ever to grace a flight simulator. Fix the roll-rate, tweak the .50 cal dispersion, I would be very happy. If you could do those and fix the other limits of the game I would be in heaven.

But I don't agree in not wanting the P-47N, it is needed and should be added. I don't care if more people fly it, in fact I would be very happy to see more people becoming Jug drivers. But I know the P-47 will never be considered a n00b plane, it is just to much a thinking mans aircraft to ever be considered anything else.

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Diablo310th
04-22-2004, 11:54 AM
I agree Eagle...it does take thinking to fly it correctly. One thing you can't jsut do is jump in it and be successful unless your good. It takes alot of learning..at least in my case. I find that i don't wanna fly anything else if I can fly my D-27 Jug. I really don't like the Razorbacks and I don't do as well in them.

Cajun...I had heard that the paddle pro had been modeled. am i wrong?? If so it sure would be nice to to have that too.

Ohh..and lets not forget the stall flat spin bug too.

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chris455
04-22-2004, 12:09 PM
That pancake stall is singularly the most unrealistic apsect of flying in FB I have seen to date. The real P-47 simply didn't behave that way. Go to Zenos and watch the actual training films.

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Diablo310th
04-22-2004, 12:17 PM
Chris I agree.....I have not found a way to recover from it yet. all you can do is bail out. I've seen Zenos before and ur right.

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ShVAK
04-22-2004, 12:48 PM
Concur with the comment that the P-47 (and many other aircraft in this game) fall into a flat spin too easily. This bypasses the reality of what was by bypassing the normality of falling into a normal spin first.

If undamaged, I can ALWAYS get my P-47 out of a flat spin, given at least 2500' of altitude above ground. The recovery method is unconventional also - use normal procedures (neutral to slight forward stick, full opposite rudder) but instead of throttle off, cycle between full and zero power. You'll notice a change in spin rate and you need to find the right frequency. In other words, you use the throttle to pulse your plane out of the flat spin.

Once she stops rotating, immediately reverse the throttle setting from what you currently have or you will regain the flat spin.

If you have taken damage, your chance of recovery diminishes greatly.

Works for me, everytime.


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Snow_Wolf_
04-22-2004, 02:06 PM
I want to see a P-47M so i can use it to catch those pesky V1 flying bombs. Odd thing is i thought the Jug was able to carry HVAR rockets like 10 of those 5 inch ones?

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Taylortony
04-22-2004, 02:14 PM
I am doing an update on a jug skin and it is in collaboration with the pilot, there is an interesting text file which i will publish from him describing some of the actions he was involved in, part of this is below for you snow wolf

Also, on many missions from October 44 to the end of the war, and
particularly during the final battle for the Po Valley, six 4.5 folding
fin rockets were carried on flights, most in conjunction with two 500
pound bombs.

Diablo310th
04-22-2004, 02:22 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ShVAK:
Concur with the comment that the P-47 (and many other aircraft in this game) fall into a flat spin too easily. This bypasses the reality of what was by bypassing the normality of falling into a normal spin first.

If undamaged, I can ALWAYS get my P-47 out of a flat spin, given at least 2500' of altitude above ground. The recovery method is unconventional also - use normal procedures (neutral to slight forward stick, full opposite rudder) but instead of throttle off, cycle between full and zero power. You'll notice a change in spin rate and you need to find the right frequency. In other words, you use the throttle to pulse your plane out of the flat spin.

Once she stops rotating, immediately reverse the throttle setting from what you currently have or you will regain the flat spin.

If you have taken damage, your chance of recovery diminishes greatly.

Works for me, everytime.


SnVAK.......thanks a million for the advice. I will definately give that a try and unfortunately probably very soon. Nothing else worked for me.

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GR142_Astro
04-22-2004, 03:33 PM
Can you chaps say why the nose of the D27 won't come around as nicely as the D10/22? Nobody has ever put facts up to support why this is.

Can't wait for the patched Jug. Quit flying it when AEP came out. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Cajun76
04-22-2004, 03:44 PM
I know the D-27 was heavier. They added another tank to the fuselage. I find the D-10 the most "nimble" of the three and I find my best turn rate is at about +500 kph. Keep her fast, dip your nose to maintain or even gain some speed in a turn, and you'll suprise people with how quickly you can bring the business end of 8 .50 cals thier way. Speed is the key in the Jug. I generally don't fly the Jug, it's more like a gentle nudge and roll in the direction I want to go so that I bleed as little speed and energy as possible.

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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Eagle_361st
04-22-2004, 04:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cajun76:
I know the D-27 was heavier. They added another tank to the fuselage. I find the D-10 the most "nimble" of the three and I find my best turn rate is at about +500 kph. Keep her fast, dip your nose to maintain or even gain some speed in a turn, and you'll suprise people with how quickly you can bring the business end of 8 .50 cals thier way. Speed is the key in the Jug. I generally don't fly the Jug, it's more like a gentle nudge and roll in the direction I want to go so that I bleed as little speed and energy as possible.

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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Also the D-27 had a lateral stability issue before the dorsal fin fillet was attached. This, the extra armour, extra fuel tank and bomb shackles are what makes the D-27 the wrst turner of the Jug line.

~S!
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Diablo310th
04-22-2004, 04:46 PM
Cajun..You hit the nail on the head. The trick to flying the Jug and turning in her is speed. I find I do best around 350 to 400 kph. Another little trick I have found to pick up speed is to do a barrel roll. I seem to lose less altitude than a slight dive and I pick up about 40 kph in speed while doing it. I've avoided a stall before by doing that.

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Mitlov47
04-22-2004, 05:09 PM
All this talk is making me want to take the P-47 out for another spin. Only this time, I gotta try the D-10 or D-22. The D-27 just never worked out for me, but I didn't consider the thought that the earlier models could turn better.

By the way, what maneuver do people find works best for turning the Jug between passes on the enemy? Break turn? Immelman? Split-S? I'm having trouble figuring out exactly how to fly this thing.

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Eagle_361st
04-22-2004, 05:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EMitton:
All this talk is making me want to take the P-47 out for another spin. Only this time, I gotta try the D-10 or D-22. The D-27 just never worked out for me, but I didn't consider the thought that the earlier models could turn better.

By the way, what maneuver do people find works best for turning the Jug between passes on the enemy? Break turn? Immelman? Split-S? I'm having trouble figuring out exactly how to fly this thing.

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/387_1082406218_spitfiresigsmall2.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It really depends on your speed and altitude. I prefer to make high altitude slashing/diving atttacks at a very high rate of speed. Then I simply use my speed to get back to altitude. But if I find I want to make sure the target is dead and come back quickly I will just haul up into an immelman, this way I pick up my speed again on the way back down.

~S!
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Taylortony
04-22-2004, 05:36 PM
As you are all P47 nuts i think you will enjoy reading this

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chris455
04-22-2004, 06:39 PM
ATTENTION ALL JUG DRIVERS. NOW HEAR THIS:

ShVaks above mentioned recovery technique from the dreaded flat or pancake spin works BIGTIME.

I recommend you try it and practice it.

Don't forget to give her a second or two to "breathe" before attempting your pullout
(that sounded kinda bad; sorry http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif)or you will re-incur the spin.

I did it 3 times from 7500m using opposite rudder only and horsing the throttle back and forth as ShVak recommends. You'll get a feel for when to release the rudder. If you do it right, her nose will be pointed down, count to three and effect a gentle pullout.
THANKS ShVAK!!!

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heywooood
04-22-2004, 08:12 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by chris455:


Don't forget to give her a second or two to "breathe" before attempting your pullout
If you do it right, her nose will be pointed down, count to three and effect a gentle pullout.

I dunno Chris..that second phrase is as funny as the first methinks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

chris455
04-22-2004, 08:20 PM
We jug jocks are a funny crowd Heywood.

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Copperhead310th
04-22-2004, 08:47 PM
I just got a new book in to day from Squadron. {my 1st onehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif} THUNDERBOLTThe Republic P-47 Thunderbolt in the Pacific Theater was only like 12 bucks USD (round 18 w/shipping) & well worth every penny. i really need to get a scanner. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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chris455
04-22-2004, 09:23 PM
I'm still awaiting "Kearby's Thunderbolts".
let us know how your book is.

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[This message was edited by chris455 on Thu April 22 2004 at 08:59 PM.]

Eagle_361st
04-22-2004, 09:35 PM
Yes Shvaks technique works very well. thanks bro http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~S!
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VW-IceFire
04-22-2004, 09:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EMitton:
All this talk is making me want to take the P-47 out for another spin. Only this time, I gotta try the D-10 or D-22. The D-27 just never worked out for me, but I didn't consider the thought that the earlier models could turn better.

By the way, what maneuver do people find works best for turning the Jug between passes on the enemy? Break turn? Immelman? Split-S? I'm having trouble figuring out exactly how to fly this thing.

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/387_1082406218_spitfiresigsmall2.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Just be prepared for the terrible view. Get used to that and you're off to the races. The D-10 is a very potent fighter...its the last of the true P-47 fighters, the D-22 and D-27 represent the fighter-bomber modifications that started coming along the pipe.

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chris455
04-22-2004, 09:54 PM
Mitton,
Have you ever watched a woman sew with a needle and thread?

Pretend the horizontal plane your target occupies is the "fabric".

Fly the "needle" (your Jug) up and down, dipping just below the "fabric" and back up, making a slashing gun attack when within range of your target. Repeat until target disintegrates.

BTW: My favorite Jug is the D10. I don't mind the view at all. My advice to those who find the view disconcerting?
Fly a 190 (any 190) for a while. After a few days of that claustrophobic pit, the view from inside the D10 won't seem too shabby at all. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Eagle_361st
04-22-2004, 10:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chris455:
Mitton,
Have you ever watched a woman sew with a needle and thread?

Pretend the horizontal plane your target occupies is the "fabric".

Fly the "needle" (your Jug) up and down, dipping just below the "fabric" and back up, making a slashing gun attack when within range of your target. Repeat until target disintegrates.

BTW: My favorite Jug is the D10. I don't mind the view at all. My advice to those who find the view disconcerting?
Fly a 190 (any 190) for a while. After a few days of that claustrophobic pit, the view from inside the D10 won't seem too shabby at all. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://members.cox.net/miataman1/p47n2.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Couldn't agree more. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I love the D-10 and have gotten used to the view.

~S!
Eagle
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chris455
04-22-2004, 10:18 PM
Hey Eagle,
I don't know about you, but I'm gettin all antsy about the patch. If it has half of what I'm hoping it has (.50 cal dispersion, D27 rollrate, etc.) it's gonna be mighty good news for the breed.
Keeping my fingers (and toes) crossed!

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ImpStarDuece
04-22-2004, 10:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Diablo310th:
ShVAK..true more people will fly the Jug but I think most people are still T&B's especially Noob's. It still takes alot of practice to be good at B&Z done right. I just wish I was getting better at it. Ohh well I'll fly the girl to the end.

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i fly the Jug so much now that i'm having to retrain myself to t'n'b http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif. Flown it in every version since 1.0 and i fly it now. Mostly the '27 because i can't stand that damned cockpit bar. Comic shop guy voice "Worst cockpit design, ever"

If she gets just a small fix to her zoom and dispersion i'll be very happy. Who needs to turn in a Jug anyway? Bah! Leave that to the Brits and the Russians. Real pilots fly in straight lines. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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Eagle_361st
04-23-2004, 12:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chris455:
Hey Eagle,
I don't know about you, but I'm gettin all antsy about the patch. If it has half of what I'm hoping it has (.50 cal dispersion, D27 rollrate, etc.) it's gonna be mighty good news for the breed.
Keeping my fingers (and toes) crossed!

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You and me both bro. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif All I really want is the stupid fires and roll-rate fixed and I might, just might be pryed away from my D-10. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

~S!
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Mitlov47
04-23-2004, 01:15 AM
Here's a question about the Jug's cockpit in-game. It looks very polygonal and much less "polished" than other cockpits (for example the LaGG-3 and the BF-109). Did the real Jug's cockpit really look like the underside of a kitchen sink, or is this just a rushed-to-press modeling job?

Tomorrow I'll give more of a try to the D-10. While I do love the Spit, I'm a very patriotic American and I've been trying to find a USAAF fighter that fits me. Nothing against the British, but I do like to fly for the home team.

By the way, the sewing imagery really makes me understand how to fly the thing. But instead of the "woman sewing fabric" image, here's an even better one: my last trip to the ER, I got to watch the (male) nurse sewing my hand back up after a knife accident. Same motion, just a lot more gore http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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WOLFMondo
04-23-2004, 04:04 AM
If you like the P47 then when we get the Tempest you may like that, there performance is different in some respects but there both big, powerful planes.

I really like the D27...I prefer not to have a peice of the canopy frame right where im supposed to look out the window.

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Diablo310th
04-26-2004, 06:36 AM
I finally got to test out ShVAK's recovery procedure...yeee haww...it works great. Thanks tons ShVAK. Now lets see if it changes when the patch comes out.

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ShVAK
04-26-2004, 07:21 AM
Your welcome gents. There's also a method on how to stall out in any attitude and avoid flat spins, (again acquired by personal trial and error).

But you would have to be part of the 56th to know the answer to this one!


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Diablo310th
04-26-2004, 08:20 AM
awwwwwww come on ShVAK, give it up. LOL We'll all be honorary 56th members if ya do. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif come on..help fellow Jug heads.

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