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RAF74_Buzzsaw
03-31-2004, 03:47 PM
Hello Oleg

Please consider modelling the P-39D-2 or the P-400.

These aircraft were used in the Pacific and in the Soviet Union. They were the first American land based Fighters to be used in the defence of Australia and New Guinea.

They were also the first P-39's received by the Soviets in December of 1941, and were used during beginning in early 1942.

This should not be a difficult task to model these, since the Graphics model is the same, only the flight model needs to be changed.

Thankyou

RAF74_Buzzsaw
03-31-2004, 03:47 PM
Hello Oleg

Please consider modelling the P-39D-2 or the P-400.

These aircraft were used in the Pacific and in the Soviet Union. They were the first American land based Fighters to be used in the defence of Australia and New Guinea.

They were also the first P-39's received by the Soviets in December of 1941, and were used during beginning in early 1942.

This should not be a difficult task to model these, since the Graphics model is the same, only the flight model needs to be changed.

Thankyou

crazyivan1970
03-31-2004, 03:49 PM
Great idea Buzz, 20mm equipped. But i think they were delievered in second half of 1942 and first regiments entered action in early 1943.

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Chuck_Older
03-31-2004, 03:50 PM
We already have what the US servicemen called a P-400:

A P-40 with a Zero on it's tail http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Actually I think this is a good idea, Buzzsaw

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clint-ruin
03-31-2004, 03:57 PM
I'm really hoping we get the D / P-400 in Luthiers' PTO release, and that it can be taken into and used in FB.

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PzKpfw
03-31-2004, 04:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Great idea Buzz, 20mm equipped. But i think they were delievered in second half of 1942 and first regiments entered action in early 1943.

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Regards,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ivan, the 19.Gv.IAP was operateing P-400s in East Karelia in 1942.

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crazyivan1970
03-31-2004, 04:55 PM
It does say that it was in service since May 1942... but in the same time Pokrishkin claims early 1943...

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faustnik
03-31-2004, 05:11 PM
Definately Summer '42. Check Black Cross/Red Star Vol.2. Mines at home I'll get the quote for you later.

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crazyivan1970
03-31-2004, 05:14 PM
Here`s the trick with it guys... regiment could be fully supplied with P-400s, but still in training for several months. You know what i mean. Like 100th regiment was pulled out of the action in fall of 1942, re-equiped with P-400s and only saw action in April of 1943. Things like that. Just saying, not claming anything.

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

PzKpfw
03-31-2004, 05:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
It does say that it was in service since May 1942... but in the same time Pokrishkin claims early 1943...

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, read that to Ivan and he'd be right to a point. But Bochkov was getting kills in P-400s in operations with the 19.Gv.IAP in May 1942.
Ie,: *

The first combat involving Aircobras in VVS service took place on May 15 1942, without a loss to either side. Next day, the first loss was suffered when the aircobra with serial number AH660 was shot down in combat with JG 5 Bf 109s.

Also the P-400s operateing with the 19th were all delivered in RAF colours the red stars etc, were painted over RAF roundels.

Theirs a good painting of Bochkov's P-400 SN# BX728, Yellow 16, in Morgan's Soviet Aces of World War 2 p.26

The first mass use of Lend lease fighters Ie, P-39s, P-400s, P-40s, Spitfire Vs etc was in the March - May 1943, Kuban River battles, in which almost all fighters employed by the VVS were LL types.

*See: Bergstrom Christer, Mikhailov Andrey. Black Cross Red Star Volume 2. p.150.

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JG53Frankyboy
03-31-2004, 05:16 PM
well, two different sectors of the front:
in the north, around Murmansk there were Airacobra MkI (P-400) in service since may 1942 , the 19GvIAP .

in the south, Pokryshkins area, they were introduced in service over the Kuban march 1943 with the 298IAP, wich became later the 104GvIAP.


well, i think we can forgett these early Cobras for FB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

BUT, for PacificFighters they are a must for a PortMorsbey/Lae map ( hopefuly its in the map pool! )

faustnik
03-31-2004, 05:17 PM
Ivan, I mean combat operations. I will get the book later. First combat victories and losses for the Cobra were summer '42.

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crazyivan1970
03-31-2004, 05:19 PM
Kewl, any info is mucho appricated http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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JG53Frankyboy
03-31-2004, 05:38 PM
first Cobra loss in action was on 16 may 42 , with 19GIAP
first kills were on 15 may 42 , also 19GIAP.

in the south first loss, with 298IAP was on 19march 43

faustnik
03-31-2004, 06:28 PM
Found it. "Black Cross/Red Star Vol.2" page 150:

"The first combat involving Airacobras took place on May 15, 1942, without loss to either side."

It was the 19 GIAP.

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Jazz-Man
03-31-2004, 11:54 PM
Here's hoping that Luthier will include the P-39D in the Pacific add-on. That way we can just include it in our maps.


Good idea Buzz!

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Magister__Ludi
04-01-2004, 06:34 AM
It will be a good ideea to have P-39D for '42 instead of P-39N, because the later saw service with VVS from spring of '43.

The same with 190A3 in '42 instead of 190A4. Though a number of A4 saw service in 1942, the bulk was delivered in '43. This is important because A4 did not have the boost limitation of A3 and was still a lighter fighter than A5.