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Arm_slinger
08-29-2004, 05:59 AM
Firstly i'm sorry if this is not the sort of thing the mods would like to see. If its not liked it will get locked i suppose.

Right people the idea of this thread is to share tit bits of information you have picked up on PF over time.
Some of the info may be inaccurate so dont get your hopes up too much http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'll start


Chocks will be in game so that engines can be ran up to full power to test them without the crate rolling

Canopies will have to be opened first before bailing up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

When pilots open the canopy they will have to duck in some planes due to the canopy lip, i.e Seafire

There will be different flak settings- light and in accurate, medium flak, heavy flak. Accuracy settings are unknown at the moment


Hope this makes people feel good http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Arm_slinger
08-29-2004, 05:59 AM
Firstly i'm sorry if this is not the sort of thing the mods would like to see. If its not liked it will get locked i suppose.

Right people the idea of this thread is to share tit bits of information you have picked up on PF over time.
Some of the info may be inaccurate so dont get your hopes up too much http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'll start


Chocks will be in game so that engines can be ran up to full power to test them without the crate rolling

Canopies will have to be opened first before bailing up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

When pilots open the canopy they will have to duck in some planes due to the canopy lip, i.e Seafire

There will be different flak settings- light and in accurate, medium flak, heavy flak. Accuracy settings are unknown at the moment


Hope this makes people feel good http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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"Target for Tonight" the definitive night bombing simulation ever, featuring the RAF's Bomber Command.

www.nightbomber.com/forums (http://www.nightbomber.com/forums)
Also the home of 242 Squadron

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MEGILE
08-29-2004, 08:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>When pilots open the canopy they will have to duck in some planes due to the canopy lip, i.e Seafire <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm im gonna set my number 7 button as crouch, and then ill just have left and right to strafe and avoid that big freakin tail.

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Arm_slinger
08-29-2004, 01:18 PM
Anyone know anything else?

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"Target for Tonight" the definitive night bombing simulation ever, featuring the RAF's Bomber Command.

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TimTam27
08-30-2004, 02:22 AM
I could post a list of aircraft for PF that appeared (very briefly) on the IL2 Database site. But what would be the point? When I have done it before it was swiftly taken off the board. Even if (as I did) you get the information from freely available sources they don't want all the little snippets of info put together and publicly broadcast.
I guess for marketing reasons they want to keep most of the excitng new features for PF a secret till the pre-release advertising blitz.
Frustrating as it may be, we will all just have to wait until Maddox are good and ready before we find out what is really going to be in PF.

michapma
08-30-2004, 02:43 AM
TimTam, are you serious? I wouldn't want to do anything against the wishes of the sim makers, but that seems like rather odd behavior. How are they going to prevent people from doing this on their own website?

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Arm_slinger
08-30-2004, 06:28 AM
I have some more info, some more acuratew than i mentioned aearlier.

News from OZ-Flightsim Expo '04
Setup
The stall was setup with 2 computers. One laptop, and one PC (which I presume arrived with the Ubisoft rep.)

They had trouble getting the latest beta to run, so they had to revert to a slightly older beta, which meant that the close-up texture of the flight decks was this colour. But as you zoomed out, the medium-textures came into play, and it looked good again

Graphics
I couldn't tell you much about graphics, as the machines used weren't that quick, and therefore didn't have perfect mode enabled. But it ran super-quick in excellent mode on a 2.4Ghz Compaq laptop.

Aircraft
The aircraft I managed to see in action were:


Supermarine Seafire Mk. III

Chance-Vought F4U? Corsair (early 3-blade prop version)

Lockheed P-38J Lightning

Mitsubishi A6M2/5 Zero

Mitsubishi A6M? Rufe (subtype unknown)

Mitsubishi G4M? Betty (subtype unknown; probably G4M3)



As the computers didn't have joysticks, I wasn't able to take the controls and land on the carrier (top on my list of PF wants-to-do) So we were relegated to just standing around watching the tracks roll on, and asking question after question about the game.

The Seafire I didn't see too much rugged handling to test the flight characteristics, mostly landing on the carrier. But the cockpit I can describe to you It is pretty much the Mk. Vb cockpit, with the exception of the armoured glass. This section was ripped straight from the Mk. IX series cockpits, and you could tell, too

The corsair I saw a bit of, but yet again not a lot of rugged handling to test the flight characteristics. I saw the folding down of the wings, and you'd be surprised at how long it actually takes to become airworthy lol The cockpit looked complete, but I didn't have enough time to have a close-up inspection of it, but I'll say this: It blows away anything Microshaft can throw at it!

As we all know, the P-38J is going to be included, but everything looked pretty standard as the AI made attacks on reventments at an island somewhere in the pacific. Except for one thing. The Lightning was loaded up with 12x4.5" Rockets, and it seemed to me that it was able to fire them off in single-rocket-salvos, as opposed to twin-rocket-salvos as we have now. Nobody else noticed this, and just as I pointed this out, the track finished lol

The zero is already ingame, and I don't think the camera was ever situated from inside one, as we already have it. They burst into flames quite nicely from the tracks I saw, but we already knew that

The rufe - was interesting. I saw the pilot throw the Rufe around the sky a bit, and I was trying to judge exactly how well it's sustained turn is vs. the Zero, and it's not all that hampered by the floats. Yet again, the track was over before it started, and we were back onto the Seafire landing on the carrier again.

The Betty I only just noticed as it had shed a wing and plummeted into the ground. Lucky me was the first one to IFF it, and everyone was still squinting at it lol I never saw the Betty again in any of the tracks.

Features
Some of the features are quite interesting.

Cockpits are now openable mid-flight. This was shown mostly on the Seafire Mk. III, and the beta tester present noted that the pilot "ducks his head" to allow the cockpit to slide open above him. I asked what the purpose was, other than just eye candy, and to which the beta tester replied: "to assist in bailing out"; now, whether he means that you have to physically open the canopy to bail out in PF, or whether he means that you will still be able to bail as it is at the moment, is open to interpretation.

They showed the seafire operating the canopy a lot, and my m8 (No457_Foxtrot) asked if it was going to be like in Rowan's BoB, whereby you can stick your head out into the slipstream (a la Ace Ventura, Pet Detective) to see around that large nose, to which the beta tester replied: "no."

Chocks are now fully implemented, and this is how the steam-operated catapults on carriers will work as well, apparently. I'm guessing you roll up to the start of the catapult, hit chocks in, which is in essence hooking you up to the catapult, and then you run up to full power, let the chocks out, which flings you off the deck at great haste.

I also asked about CAM ships + hurricanes, and no-go there.

I also believe the physics that model ditching the aircraft have changed, as the engine on the F4U corsair went under pretty quickly, and it seemed to bob up & down a bit more than in FB+AEP.

That is all the features I can think of at the moment, but give me a few hours and I'll come up with some more

Maps
Another ex-squadmate of mine (No3_Koala), asked about a Darwin map, and asked if there will be a map that looks remarkably like Darwin, but isn't... apparently not.

But, the beta tester was able to open the FMB, and let us have a gander at what maps are available. There are about 10 maps total that are coming to PF. A few PNG, a lot of islands (I believe I saw 2 Guadalcanal maps), and an unknown map titled "ChiChi", which my guess was that it was China.

To which I asked "Are there any A5M Claudes modeled?" and I only got quizzical looks, as nobody knew what they were. The reason I asked, is because Claire Chennault's AVG never flew against A6Ms in their P-40Bs. It was mostly A5M Claudes. Read up about it!

There are a few japanese maps modelled, too... I think I saw Okinawa there, Iwo Jima... I think I saw Palau there.... can't remember them all now...

Miscellaneous
The most outstanding change, was from the faded orange-brown User Interface (UI), to a fully customizable interface. The demo machines had the background to the dialog boxes set up as an aqua/cyan blue, and the variable text areas more of a greenish colour.

Also, the son of the beta tester (both who are in a virtual squad, III/JG11_IvanK (beta tester, RAAF F/A-18 trainer pilot) and his son III/JG11_Dingus) said that he had discovered a bug, whereby if you bail out on the deck of an aircraft carrier, the pilot runs to the edge of the deck, deploys his parachute, sails to sea level, and becomes a stranded pilot

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BfHeFwMe
08-30-2004, 07:11 AM
I'd like to see the day a set of chocks could hold these warbirds back on a full power run up. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

joberrick
08-30-2004, 07:25 AM
ChiChi is Chi Chi Jima, the island that George Herbert Walker Bush was brought down over.

Waldo.Pepper
08-30-2004, 01:05 PM
What I know about PF?

I know that my wife will not see me for about three days after I get it installed. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Nimits
08-30-2004, 04:33 PM
Any word on flyable torpedo bombers?

IV_JG51_Razor
08-30-2004, 04:49 PM
Hey Arm_Slinger, did you happen to notice whether the arresting wire still payed out like a big rubber band during any of the carrier landings?

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Arm_slinger
08-30-2004, 06:56 PM
sadly i can't comment on that directly. I took the info from a friend of mine in Oz that saw it, i'll ask him and refer it back to you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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"Target for Tonight" the definitive night bombing simulation ever, featuring the RAF's Bomber Command.

www.nightbomber.com/forums (http://www.nightbomber.com/forums)
Also the home of 242 Squadron

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Arm_slinger
08-30-2004, 07:25 PM
Razor:

re: Arresting wires...

To a certain extent yes, but only when the aircraft was slowing down. The arresting wires did not make the plane roll backwards.

I hope this helps http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Got a bit more info

16 maps listed plus two online sections. And a yacht .



JAPON

Aichi D3A1 Val
Aichi D3A2 Val AI
Kawanishi H8K emily AI
Kawanishi N1K1J George AI
KAWASAKI KI61 Tony
Mitsubishi A6M2 21 Zero
Nakajima A6M2 N Rufe
Mitsubishi A6M3 Zero
Mitsubishi J2M Raiden AI
Mitsubishi G4M1 betty
Mitsubishi Ki 46 III Dinah AI
Mitsubishi Ki 46 III Otsu Dinah AI
Nakajima B5N Kate AI
Nakajima Ki43 I Oscar
Nakajima Ki43 II Oscar AI


ALLIES


Brewster F2A1 Buffalo
Brewster F2A2 Buffalo
Brewster F2A3 Buffalo
Bristol Beaufighter Mk 21
Bristol Beaufighter Mk IIF AI
Bristol Beaufighter Mk IINF AI
Bristol Beaufighter Mk VI AI
Bristol Beaufighter Mk VIC AI
Bristol Beaufighter Mk X AI
Bell P39D Airacobra
Bell P400 Airacobra
Boeing B17D Flying Fortress AI
Boeing B17F Flying Fortress AI
Boeing B29 Superfortress AI
Consolidated B24 Liberator AI
Curtiss P40B/C Tomahawk
Curtiss SB2C Helldiver AI
Douglas TBD Devastator AI
Douglas SBD Dauntless
Douglas A20C Havoc
Douglas A20G Havoc
Gruman F4F3 Wildcat
Gruman F4F4 Wildcat
Gruman FM2 Wildcat
Gruman F6F3 Hellcat
Gruman F6F5 Hellcat
Gruman TBM Avenger AI
Gruman TBF 1 Avenger AI
Gruman TBF 1c Avenger AI
North American PBJ-1C Mitchell
North American PBJ-1G Mitchell
North American PBJ-1H Mitchell
Northrop P61 Black Widow AI
Supermarine Seafire III
Supermarine Spitfire MkVIII
Vought F4U1 Corsair
Vought F4U1A Corsair
Vought F4U1C Corsair
Vought F4U1D Corsair


NAVIRES

Angleterre

Prince of Wales Cuirassé
Illustrious PA
Leander Croiseur
County Croiseur
Oribi Destroyer

Japon

AKAGI PA
ZUIKAKU PA
SHIHANO PA
KAGA PA

Haruna Cuirassé
Takao Croiseur
Azikuki Destroyer
Kagero Destroyer
Okikawa Maru Cargo
Kimikawa Maru Cargo
P102 Patrouilleur
Daihatsu Landing Craft
Sous marin
Sous marin de poche
Bateau de pĂÂȘche


USA

YORKTOWN PA
ESSEX PA
LEXINGTON PA
CVE PA escorte

COLORADO Cuirassé
ARIZONA Cuirassé
Portland Croiseur
Fletcher Destroyer
Wickes Destroyer
Liberty Ship Cargo
LVT4 Nav de debarquement
LVT2 Nav de debarquement
DUKW Vehicule Amphibie
APD5 Support amphibie
Sous marin GATO
Yacht


VEHICULES

US

Locomotive
Wagon
M3A1 Stuart Tank
M5A1 Stuart Tank
M3A1 Half Track
M7 Priest Obusier autoporté
M8 Greyhound
M3 75MM Half Track
Flak .50
Flak Bofors 40mm
M5 AT 75mm
M2 155mm Long Tom
Mortier 81mm

Jap

Locomotive
Wagon
Type 95 Wagon Blindé So KI
Type 4 Ho-Ro
Type 95 Ha Go Tank
Type 97 Chi Ha Tank
Type 1 Ho-Ha Transport de troupe
Type 94 camion
Type 1 camion
Type 98 Ko-Hi Alf Track AA
Type 95 jeep
20 mm AA
25mm AA double
25mm AA Triple
Tupe 11 75mm AA
Type 94 37mm AT
Type 38 75mm
Type 94 105mm Obusier
Type 97 Mortier 81mm


Angleterre
Matilda Tank
Vickers Tank léger
Austin K3YF Camion
Bedford OXD camion
AEC Matador Tracteur
Guy Ant CWT
Flak léger
Flak lourd
Mortier de 3 pouces MkI


CARTES

MIDWAY
IWO JIMA
WAKE
CORAL SEA
GUADALCANAL
TARAWA
HAWAI
SINGAPOUR
PALAU
JAPON
RABAUL
NOUVELLE GUINEE
LUZON
GUAM
OKINAWA
RANGOON

+

IWO JIMA ONLINE
CORAL SEA ONLINE

242Sqn_Kye on HL

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Tooz_69GIAP
08-30-2004, 08:40 PM
Very interesting, I wonder how big the Rangoon map is!! I doubt it would stretch too far inland, but may include a decent amount of the Andaman Sea and the Bay of Bengal, and perhaps creep towards the Laotian border?

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joberrick
08-30-2004, 09:03 PM
Which Dauntlesses? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Tater-SW-
08-30-2004, 09:27 PM
If the maps alone are accurate, I'm very heartened. as for the merchant shipping, all are big. Need some smaller ones. Perhaps they could reskin the trawlers from Il-2 (mostly the flag, lol). They should also throw a US flag on the Italian Elco PT boat already done.

The Okinawa Maru was built by the brits in 1896 (sorry if this yank offended some resident of the UK with the 'brit' slur http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ). Her displacement was 2,254 tons, length 296ft. No other data available in ONI-208rev. Turns out she was a cable-laying ship. She was sunk by the US submarine USS Silversides (SS-236) on May 10th, 1944 near the Marianas.


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Kimikawa Maru, built in 1937, 6,863 tons displacement, 480ft long.

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[This message was edited by Tater-SW- on Mon August 30 2004 at 11:33 PM.]

One13
08-31-2004, 11:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arm_slinger:
Got a bit more info

16 maps listed plus two online sections. And a yacht .



JAPON

Aichi D3A1 Val
Aichi D3A2 Val AI
Kawanishi H8K emily AI
Kawanishi N1K1J George AI
KAWASAKI KI61 Tony
Mitsubishi A6M2 21 Zero
Nakajima A6M2 N Rufe
Mitsubishi A6M3 Zero
Mitsubishi J2M Raiden AI
Mitsubishi G4M1 betty
Mitsubishi Ki 46 III Dinah AI
Mitsubishi Ki 46 III Otsu Dinah AI
Nakajima B5N Kate AI
Nakajima Ki43 I Oscar
Nakajima Ki43 II Oscar AI


ALLIES


Brewster F2A1 Buffalo
Brewster F2A2 Buffalo
Brewster F2A3 Buffalo
Bristol Beaufighter Mk 21
Bristol Beaufighter Mk IIF AI
Bristol Beaufighter Mk IINF AI
Bristol Beaufighter Mk VI AI
Bristol Beaufighter Mk VIC AI
Bristol Beaufighter Mk X AI
Bell P39D Airacobra
Bell P400 Airacobra
Boeing B17D Flying Fortress AI
Boeing B17F Flying Fortress AI
Boeing B29 Superfortress AI
Consolidated B24 Liberator AI
Curtiss P40B/C Tomahawk
Curtiss SB2C Helldiver AI
Douglas TBD Devastator AI
Douglas SBD Dauntless
Douglas A20C Havoc
Douglas A20G Havoc
Gruman F4F3 Wildcat
Gruman F4F4 Wildcat
Gruman FM2 Wildcat
Gruman F6F3 Hellcat
Gruman F6F5 Hellcat
Gruman TBM Avenger AI
Gruman TBF 1 Avenger AI
Gruman TBF 1c Avenger AI
North American PBJ-1C Mitchell
North American PBJ-1G Mitchell
North American PBJ-1H Mitchell
Northrop P61 Black Widow AI
Supermarine Seafire III
Supermarine Spitfire MkVIII
Vought F4U1 Corsair
Vought F4U1A Corsair
Vought F4U1C Corsair
Vought F4U1D Corsair


242Sqn_Kye on HL

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The George and Jack only AI? That is sad, I was looking foward to flying them.
Anyone got any idea if cockpits are being made?

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F19_Olli72
08-31-2004, 11:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by One13:
The George and Jack only AI? That is sad, I was looking foward to flying them.
Anyone got any idea if cockpits are being made?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Keep in mind thats just a WIP list, but on the other hand....i cant help to feel a bit dissapointed at the puny japanese planelist. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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DuxCorvan
08-31-2004, 05:18 PM
Kate AI, Devastator AI, Avenger AI. No flyable torpedo bombers? There're only eight Japanese flyables -twelve counting the missing Franks and A6M5- and five are variants of Zero or Frank... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

And what about Gibbage's PBY? Mmmm, something is wrong in that list... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

BTW, a 'Chichi' is, in Spanish, one of many funny names for women's 'secret'... you won't find it with a map... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

[This message was edited by DuxCorvan on Tue August 31 2004 at 04:34 PM.]

joberrick
08-31-2004, 06:13 PM
Hey the Betty can be a torp bomber! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Bull_dog_
08-31-2004, 06:40 PM
Ok...single engined carrier based torpedo bomber...I hope it is a wip list and this will be changed too...I can't imagine releasing a PTO sim with no carrier based torpedo bomber. I suppose this is why UBI doesn't release information early or we'd all be whining for our favorite planes. Won't be long now...I'm looking forward to Turkey on Thanksgiving followed by the Battle of Coral Sea http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by joberrick:
Hey the Betty can be a torp bomber! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

II JG2_Oesau
08-31-2004, 07:35 PM
I was at the expo and I asked the question about the Avenger. I was told that on the current version of the beta that they had that it was only AI. I asked if it will be flyable and the answer that I got was "yes".

Bull_dog_
08-31-2004, 08:23 PM
cool...that really makes my day http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hopefully the Kate will make it too and the ugly helldiver as well....I think this game is going to bring a new fascinating dimension to online play as opposing teams try to sink each other's fleet and taking out enemy bombers becomes the focus of the fight as opposed to dogfighting.

olaleier
08-31-2004, 10:02 PM
Patch = Liberator. Be sure.

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DuxCorvan
09-01-2004, 12:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by olaleier:
Patch = Liberator. Be sure.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Anyway, patch= AI---&gt;Flyable.