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HellToupee
03-18-2004, 05:41 PM
just got it going, the performace seems pretty good it being open gl an all.

How i got it going, i followed some similar steps

i copyed the disk contents from both cds to my harddrive, then ran setup.exe with winex3. This installed the game just fine.

I changed default winver to win2000 in ~/.transgaming/config and uncommented the desktop line and made its res 1024x768, make color depth 24.

i then ran il2setup.exe chose 1024x768 at 32bit and turned off sound hardware acclertion.

i ran il2fb with winex3 it loaded and ran smoothly

my specs
AMD 2400xp gf4 mx440 512mb 333mhz ram linux debian kernel 2.6.3

http://lamppost.mine.nu/ahclan/files/sigs/spitwhiners1.jpg

[This message was edited by HellToupee on Fri March 19 2004 at 04:10 PM.]

HellToupee
03-18-2004, 05:41 PM
just got it going, the performace seems pretty good it being open gl an all.

How i got it going, i followed some similar steps

i copyed the disk contents from both cds to my harddrive, then ran setup.exe with winex3. This installed the game just fine.

I changed default winver to win2000 in ~/.transgaming/config and uncommented the desktop line and made its res 1024x768, make color depth 24.

i then ran il2setup.exe chose 1024x768 at 32bit and turned off sound hardware acclertion.

i ran il2fb with winex3 it loaded and ran smoothly

my specs
AMD 2400xp gf4 mx440 512mb 333mhz ram linux debian kernel 2.6.3

http://lamppost.mine.nu/ahclan/files/sigs/spitwhiners1.jpg

[This message was edited by HellToupee on Fri March 19 2004 at 04:10 PM.]

WWMaxGunz
03-18-2004, 05:48 PM
Great News!

Is Winex3 like Lindows that uses files from the Windoze CD? I think those are the DLL's but maybe also other system files?

Wow!


Neal

HellToupee
03-18-2004, 06:36 PM
i think your thinking of wine, lindows is just a linux distro made to be easy to use, it would come with wine but it itself only relates to windows in its name http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Problem with winex is it isnt free http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif winex is just wine with directx support and some other support for things like installers.

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HellToupee
03-18-2004, 06:58 PM
after playing some more on full detail at 1024 x 768 performace is very compareable to windows, no numbers but feels just as good, might try see if multiplayer and the ace expansion works.

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WWMaxGunz
03-18-2004, 07:04 PM
Something about the name Windows. Before M$ made a product with that name at all there was a combined project that many corporations and colleges were involved in. It was to be a shared standard for all the computers in the world to be able to interconnect. Xerox was there as was BSD and MIT and many others. The project was named X-Windows and it ran mainly under Unix/Posix.

So Steve Jobs and Bill gates went to them and got the spec for free. Afterall, they were making systems software and a shared standard has to be shared or people end up being cut off. But Bill and Steve didn't feel that way beyond other people sharing with them. Their intellectual efforts are to be respected but those of others are not in their view. So they used the spec but they each made proprietary changes to lock users of their systems to them. They only include outside connectivity as it benefits them to have or possibly lose their base while at the same time they work to change established standards over to their own control. Don't believe it? Then look into M$ J++ and .NET just to mention 2 out of many efforts. There's lists of those.

It kind of gets me that M$ couldn't even come up with their own name for the product. All they did was remove the X from X-Windows. And even worse... people buy the name as being M$ original! Even some Linux users for cryinoutloud! No wonder Gates gets away with the crap he does. No justice!


Neal

HellToupee
03-18-2004, 08:33 PM
http://www.gpforums.co.nz/attachment.php?s=&postid=3005867
here you can see it running http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, sadly joystick seems not to work, works with everything else, hopefully the next release of wine might fix this.

http://lamppost.mine.nu/ahclan/files/sigs/spitwhiners1.jpg

Aaron_GT
03-19-2004, 02:29 AM
Hell Toupee - could you PM me. I've managed
to get it to install but not run (I'd need
to check which winex version I have tonight)
so I'd been keen to try this out.

BaldieJr
03-19-2004, 05:45 AM
Dude, dump gnome and try fluxbox for a lightweight wm when gaming. You'll free up a LOT of ram, and fluxbox can look awesome with a bit of fiddling.

Hrm. I wonder if I can get 64-bit nvidia drivers for FreeBSD http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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GoToAway
03-19-2004, 07:28 AM
I've been reading this forum for a while and, ironically, it was something not related to Il-2 that made me finally register.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
Something about the name Windows. Before M$ made a product with that name at all there was a combined project that many corporations and colleges were involved in. It was to be a shared standard for all the computers in the world to be able to interconnect. Xerox was there as was BSD and MIT and many others. The project was named X-Windows and it ran mainly under Unix/Posix.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>1: Xerox-PARC had absoutely nothing to do with X
2: Berkely had absolutely nothing to do with X
3: POSIX is not an operating system

X was birthed by MIT and MIT alone with the creation of "Project Athena" in 1984.

X in all of its incarnations has been incorporated into many systems by many companies: SGI into IRIX. Sun into Solaris. By IBM into AIX. By DEC into OSF/1. By Berkely into BSD Unix and Free/Open/Net BSD. And so on. That doesn't mean that any of those groups had anything to do with its creation.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>So Steve Jobs and Bill gates went to them and got the spec for free.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Wrong again. Steve Jobs supposedly paid Xerox PARC a small fortune to be able to view their technology (which was, by the way, a GUI that predated X and had absoluely nothing to do with it.) Gates had nothing to do with Xerox. Or X. His inspiration (seemingly) came from seeing what Apple was developing.

Some choice quotes:

Re Xerox:

"Engelbart's work directly led to the advances at Xerox PARC. Several people went from SRI to Xerox PARC in the early 1970's. The Xerox PARC team codified the WIMP (windows, icons, menus and pointers) paradigm, first pioneered on the Xerox Alto experimental computer, but which eventually appeared commercially in the Xerox 8010 ('Star') system in 1981."

Re Apple:

"There is still some controversy over the amount of influence that Xerox's PARC work, as opposed to previous academic research, had on the GUIs of Apple's Lisa and Macintosh, but it is clear that the influence was extensive. Note that Apple was invited by PARC to view their research, and a number of PARC employees subsequently moved to Apple to work on the Lisa and Macintosh GUI."

"Beginning in 1979, led by Jef Raskin, the Lisa and Macintosh teams at Apple Computer (which included former members of the Xerox PARC group) continued to develop such ideas. The Macintosh, released in 1984, was the first commercially successful product to use a GUI."

Re Microsoft:

"Microsoft modeled the first version of Windows, released in 1985, on the GUI of the Mac OS."

Re X:

"The standard windowing system in the Unix world, developed in the early 1980s, is the X Window System. X was developed at MIT as Project Athena. Its original purpose was to allow users of the newly emerging graphic terminals to access remote graphics workstations, without regard to the workstation's operating system or the hardware."


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It kind of gets me that M$ couldn't even come up with their own name for the product. All they did was remove the X from X-Windows.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Or "MS" (which, by the way, is the proper way to write it. I'd like for you to name a company that does not attempt to make money. $u$e does this. Linu$ Torvald$ also has the audacity to want to make money. We also certainly can't let those guys at Maddox Game$ off the hook, either -- they want to be paid as well!) just decided to go with a simple name that described what the difference between "Windows" and plain DOS was. Perhaps naming it "Titlebars" or "Folder Icons" would have been a better choice for mass-marketability?

Microsoft has done a lot of underhanded things, but ironically, none of them were mentioned in your post.


Sorry for the semi thread hijack, but I can't stand seeing misinformation presented as fact. It's certainly good news that FB is working under Winex. I've been wondering what would come of that ever since hearing a rumor that the MG guys were communicating with the Winex guys a while back. More games under Linux means more users.

Hartmann.
03-19-2004, 08:48 AM
yessss!!!!
Im gonna try
thanks!

BaldieJr
03-19-2004, 10:49 AM
"Titlebars" or "Folder Icons" !!!!!!!

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Next year I release my new 66-bit OS called "Clicky Bits 2005". Besides being "1 faster" than 64-bit operating system, it includes a volume controll that goes to 11, for when you really need to push it off the cliff.

On a more serious note: Does winex require a wm? I used to play q3a without having to have a wm... very speedy.

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WWMaxGunz
03-19-2004, 11:46 AM
Well no the others didn't creat X, they just but in a hell of a lot of work to advance and improve it.

Microsoft hasn't just made money either. They've done things more than underhanded too, in very big ways. Look at Bundle-up Bill and how he got his big opening by being in the group of small software companies that got Congress to FORCE the breaking up the bundling of software and hardware by the big computer industries by LAW to allow competition and yet how has Bill practiced business? Letting others in only when it suits him comes to mind. Forcing anyone with a big, original or long term profitable enough idea to either sell out or be driven out of business through many means all underhanded and some finally recognized as criminal comes to mind.

Don't begin to ask me to respect that company. Any name I choose to call them is slight compared to what they deserve. I don't respect them at all and that is still far more than they respect others. A quote about the uppers out there is that they don't just expect you to eat their crap, they expect you to say how good it tastes. That has been my experience with M$.

I don't see Torvalds trying to lock the world into paying him a per user fee that has to be renewed periodically. i don't see him or any of the others you mentioned working up front, from behind and the sides at the same and all times to dominate the world of computing. I don't see them adding piles of inefficiency just to make their end products more and more proprietary. Can you tell the difference?


Neal

GoToAway
03-19-2004, 12:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
Well no the others didn't creat X, they just but in a hell of a lot of work to advance and improve it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What did Berkely and Xerox specifically do to actively improve X?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Don't begin to ask me to respect that company.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I'm not. I'm simply trying to correct the incorrect information that you hold to be true.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Any name I choose to call them is slight compared to what they deserve. I don't respect them at all and that is still far more than they respect others. A quote about the uppers out there is that they don't just expect you to eat their crap, they expect you to say how good it tastes. That has been my experience with M$.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yet you still use their products. It would seem to me that, if you truly feel so strongly about this, that you would do everything in your power not to contribute to their domination of the market.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I don't see Torvalds trying to lock the world into paying him a per user fee that has to be renewed periodically.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I haven't seen Bill Gates do this, either. But I have seen a lot of sites that have an almost irrational hatred of the company claim that he has said that.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>i don't see him or any of the others you mentioned working up front, from behind and the sides at the same and all times to dominate the world of computing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>From quotes like this it would sound like you object to anybody becoming a clear leader in a given field. Nevermind Microsoft, judging by this quote you object to the very principle.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I don't see them adding piles of inefficiency just to make their end products more and more proprietary.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't see Microsoft doing that, either. I see them adding garbage to make things more "user friendly" and I see them pursuing pointless things like TCPA to make things more "secure," but I don't see them adding "inefficiency to make their products more proprietary."

The only companies that aren't concerned with closing up the market for their own benefit are those that deal in open source software like Redhat. I can think of very few major players in the computing industry that try to do anything but create proprietary standards so that they and only they may benefit. Apple. Microsoft. IBM. Intel. Sun. They've all done it. The difference is that Microsoft has just done it best, through both scrupulous and unscrupulous means, and that is why they are popular to hate. If Microsoft didn't hold 90 someodd percent of the home computing market, nobody would care.

HellToupee
03-19-2004, 04:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Dude, dump gnome and try fluxbox for a lightweight wm when gaming. You'll free up a LOT of ram, and fluxbox can look awesome with a bit of fiddling.

Hrm. I wonder if I can get 64-bit nvidia drivers for FreeBSD http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.fighterjerks.com/churchsign.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

as you can see im running KDE not gnome :P. for gaming i load up icewm

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HellToupee
03-19-2004, 04:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Hell Toupee - could you PM me. I've managed
to get it to install but not run (I'd need
to check which winex version I have tonight)
so I'd been keen to try this out.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well i have no idea how to PM on these forums :P

But any way, make sure you have desktopmode set in config

heres part of mine

[x11drv]
; Number of colors to allocate from the system palette
"AllocSystemColors" = "100"
; Number of colors to copy from the default palette
"CopyDefaultColors" = "0"
; Use a private color map
"PrivateColorMap" = "N"
; Favor correctness over speed in some graphics operations
"PerfectGraphics" = "N"
; Color depth to use on multi-depth screens
;;"ScreenDepth" = "16"
; Name of X11 display to use
;;"Display" = ":0.0"
; Allow the window manager to manage created windows
"Managed" = "Y"
; Use a desktop window of 640x480 for Wine
"Desktop" = "1024x768"

also make sure you install il2fb not copy it from windows, and start it with winex3 il2fb.exe after running il2setup.exe, without desktop mode i find it resets x11. If it allowed you to install then winver must be win98, it installs on win98 but will not run, installer wont run on winver 2000 :P, start il2fb.exe like this winex3 -winver win2000 il2fb.exe.

For ace expansion it says cannot find il2fb install tried copying from windows no luck.

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BaldieJr
03-20-2004, 08:22 AM
What happened to KDE? It looks as ugly as gnome!

Ick. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Aaron_GT
03-20-2004, 11:46 AM
Hell Toupee:

To check PMs go into the 'MySpace' section
(see a tool bar near the top of the forum
pages) and then 'Private Topics'.

It seems I am still on winex 3.2 - I need
to wait to sort out my password on transgaming
and my email address to get to the 3.3
download area.

With regard to KDE and GNOME - some things
in GNOME look/work better than KDE, and vice
versa. They only support Gnome at work on
the main machines, so that is gradually making
me Gnomecentric just for convenience. (It
also means not much kdebug or kdevelop/gideon
support at work, but eclipse is the next
best thing since sliced bread, or ant, or XML,
or whatever).

Willey
03-20-2004, 04:13 PM
Tried the dedicated server software yet??

HellToupee
03-20-2004, 06:46 PM
just gota pester transgaming to get

1) joystick working in FB
2) get aep install working currently sees il2fb as not there.

and then i wont have to boot windows up as much http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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FZG_Mined
03-21-2004, 10:32 AM
the day you are able to make FB+aep run on linux, just tell me and I'll build up a web site on how to do it.

(for all the people who want to get rid of windows...)

Davide

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