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dazza9806482
08-30-2004, 03:18 AM
I was playing on a 41-42 historical server and decided to fly a single seat il2.

What a difference, its streets away from the two seater. It turns great and climbs well, so much so that once i had pounded the ground i could mix it up with fighters. ammo load means the il2 can literally spray a wide range.

i had the best craic, it was great- espcially fighters who didnt expect the il2 to turn into them and fight back.

great armour too

so the question is- how fat is the rear gunner to so dramatically affect performance?

dazza9806482
08-30-2004, 03:18 AM
I was playing on a 41-42 historical server and decided to fly a single seat il2.

What a difference, its streets away from the two seater. It turns great and climbs well, so much so that once i had pounded the ground i could mix it up with fighters. ammo load means the il2 can literally spray a wide range.

i had the best craic, it was great- espcially fighters who didnt expect the il2 to turn into them and fight back.

great armour too

so the question is- how fat is the rear gunner to so dramatically affect performance?

Cajun76
08-30-2004, 03:57 AM
It's just a few extra pounds, but I'm trying to work it off. No need to be so blunt. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

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DuxCorvan
08-30-2004, 04:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dazza9806482:
so the question is- how fat is the rear gunner to so dramatically affect performance?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not just the gunner. It's the heavy gun with all his mount, ammo and apparels, the pit structure and hood frames, the seat, the portable and fixed equipment, and armor to protect the second crew. Not to mention the new placement of the parts that were behind the pit before, and new adjustment of gravity center.

And if Cajun is the gunner, it's the box of donuts he swallows every five minutes... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

JG77_Tintin
08-30-2004, 04:29 AM
The principal role of the IL2 was ground attack, not dogfighting. The Soviet's needed to stop those panzers and the IL2 was just the ticket. The Germans quickly cottoned onto the absence of a rear gunner and took advantage of it. Historically speaking, while a terrific ground attack plane, the single seaters were vulnerable to German fighters properly using superior climb and speed. In single seaters, they could come in on the undefended rear and those IL2's paid heavilly for it. Sit in the IL2 cockpit and see how much you can see to the rear. In late 1942, the Soviets did some field conversions of single seaters into two seaters. These are only a little bit slower than the single seaters, still fairly agile and are a good choice. Gunner has no protection though. The next two seat series, were the "M". These were much slower and marginal handling performance. The quick addition of a gunner position on the factory line, upsetted the weight distribution of the IL2. The next series, "type 3" rectified this to some extent. You will note that the wing tips are staggered back to improve the weight distribution. They finally got it right in the IL10, but this isn't in the game and only saw action in 1945.

dazza9806482
08-30-2004, 04:30 AM
I understand. So if this performance difference is in any way accurate, then why was the rear gunner added? surely the need to maintain maneoveurabiliy and avoid getting hit was most important.

i couldnt believe the difference, it was staggering. the single seat even had a nice pull up mentality which was cool for ground pounding. unlike the two seater which i think feels like its going to drop like a big fat stone sometimes!

its cool cajun u can be my gunner anytime, so long as u share the donuts http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG77_Tintin
08-30-2004, 04:45 AM
Personally I also prefer the single seater, but take a look in "Olegs ready room forums". Think there are number of posts on an article about the IL2's fighter capabilities that will interest you.

jurinko
08-30-2004, 05:13 AM
yes it flies very nicely but the single-seat version climbs twice as it should and the 2seat version climbs three times faster as the object viewer says

from time to time they downed also planes in war

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Zeus-cat
08-30-2004, 05:31 AM
I think the point here is that IL-2s were not expected to fight 109s. Watch what the AI planes do, they fly straight and level even when under attack. The fact that you (and I do it too) turn and fight is not realistic. The Germans also would not get into a low altitude turn fight with an IL-2 in real life, but they will do it in this game.

Try this, fly a 109 against a human IL-2 pilot. The 109 will simply break off and climb or use his superior speed and fly away. Not the AI in this game.

A good IL-2 pilot in this game will eat a Schwarm of 109s for breakfast and then continue on to the target. Sure is a lot of fun, but not very accurate.

Zeus-cat

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-30-2004, 06:29 AM
Single seat IL2 is the bomb!

Like I've been saying....

The real key here is to get high. Most Luftwaffe drivers only look down when it comes to looking for an IL2.

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AlexDavies
08-30-2004, 06:34 AM
and you don't get the idiot screaming at you....and it looks better...

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F19_Ob
08-30-2004, 06:43 AM
Works fairly well in the doubleseater aswell.
Take it up to 3000m and dive down through the 109's and hit one, drop bombs and use the speed gained in the dive to zoom up (he he zoom ). now U have some energy to get home in a shallow dive or for some evasive maneuvers.
Start spraying early on chasers from the gunnerposition in the shallow dive so closingspeed is slow. Fingers crossed.

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dazza9806482
08-30-2004, 07:22 AM
I think the amount of lead u can produce is vital as well, so u only need a brief point at the target.

this new found love of the IL2 will only be limited to early war servers tho.

ultimately ur toast once the fighters get bigger guns.

last night i was chasing a lagg for about 10 minutes in a bf109e- and used all my ammo on him, still he flew.

in fact as a brief aside- i love early war servers! much more fun, not that war is 'fun' but theres something about the early planes and guns that seems less 'serious'.

ive always thought this, and only played il2 on early single player campaigns.

ive just got this strange and totally wrong sense that war was more honest then!

muppet i know

WOLFMondo
08-30-2004, 07:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
_Single seat IL2 is the bomb!_

Like I've been saying....

The real key here is to get high. Most Luftwaffe drivers only look _down_ when it comes to looking for an IL2.

TB


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On UKD I got a He111, BF109F and a BF109E all in the same sortie this way. My best single sortie ever and in an IL2 series 3. At the end of this sortie it also soaked up all the ammo from 2 BF109 E's which proceeded to crash into each other as they both tried to shoot me down from 100 meters behind. Made me laugh anyway.

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DuxCorvan
08-30-2004, 07:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlexDavies:
and you don't get the idiot screaming at you....and it looks better...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, the question isn't why did they put a gunner, but why had the gunner to be a histerical imbecile -"Aaaagh! What are you doing! Aaaaagh!"- and so... it's both heavy and... heavy. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

dazza9806482
08-30-2004, 07:39 AM
Yeah u get the impression he doesnt like flying

as soon as you bank slightly hes like

AAARGGH! WHAT ARE U DOING!?

Turning?

then again strapped in facing the wrong way, taking all the lead cant have been fun

AlexDavies
08-30-2004, 07:48 AM
when he starts complaining, an 'allo 'allo phrase pops into my head "shut up, you silly old bat!" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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dazza9806482
08-30-2004, 07:56 AM
LOL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

the fallen madonna with the big boobies?

i was gona say it was classic but it was actually a bit mince!

Cajun76
08-30-2004, 09:05 AM
Fine, but I get my choice of sprinkles or chocolate......


On a more historical note, IIRC, many gunners were conscripted convicts and such. They had the choice of rotting in prison, or surviving X number of missions to gain thier freedom. The life of a rear gunner in an IL2 was usually brutally short. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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falco_cz
08-30-2004, 10:56 AM
There were no such things as "rotten in the prison" in Red Army. Firing squad was more prompt solulution.And life expectancy for IL2 backseaters was always little longer then those who faced the squad armed with Mosin 1891...

DuxCorvan
08-30-2004, 05:41 PM
Anyway, even the less motivated political convict knows that the best chance of survival in a plane is not given by screaming and yelling in the ear of a yet rather stressed pilot in the middle of an engagement. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

In Spain we call the roller-coasters, 'montaņas rusas' ('Russian mountains'), never knew why. Now I guess it's because your seat mate is screaming in your ear all the time. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

crazyivan1970
08-30-2004, 05:48 PM
Single seater IL-2 was used sometimes as bomber interceptor and even escort for mid/heavy bombers or escort IL-2s. There were not enough fighters and IL-2 stepped in.

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h009291
08-30-2004, 06:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
A good IL-2 pilot in this game will eat a Schwarm of 109s for breakfast and then continue on to the target. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huh? Come fly some VEF and say that. A good 109 pilot will totally annilate a good IL2 pilot every time. No matter what version.

Noobs in 109s are a dime a dozen ... and they are stupid enough to turn with a IL2 .. then your statement is true.

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tsisqua
08-30-2004, 07:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cajun76:
It's just a few extra pounds, but I'm trying to work it off. No need to be so blunt.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMFG, that is funny http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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dazza9806482
08-31-2004, 04:50 AM
I bet your right h009291, however I still think early 109s lack enough firepower to use bnz on early sturmo's

then again im pretty mince, a good pilot maybe would do better