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p1ngu666
07-16-2004, 09:27 PM
anyone know if the swordfish was active in the pacific?

i was hoping we would get the mighty old string bag in fb/pf

btw it served till the end of the war, and was the most successful allied anti shiping/torpedoe plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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p1ngu666
07-16-2004, 09:27 PM
anyone know if the swordfish was active in the pacific?

i was hoping we would get the mighty old string bag in fb/pf

btw it served till the end of the war, and was the most successful allied anti shiping/torpedoe plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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SkyChimp
07-16-2004, 10:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
anyone know if the swordfish was active in the pacific?

i was hoping we would get the mighty old string bag in fb/pf

btw it served till the end of the war, and was the most successful allied anti shiping/torpedoe plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Yes it was active. So was the Vickers Vildebeast:

http://www.rcaf.com/1939_1945_waryears/aircraft/bombers/vildebeast/index.jpg

http://www.britishaircraft.co.uk/pictures/vildebeest.jpg

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heywooood
07-16-2004, 10:57 PM
the Vildebeest is CRAPTACULAR!! if the float equipped Swordfish or this Vildebeest are ever made flyable... well I'll..I'm gonna... well..

You'll see.



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Mr_Nakajima
07-17-2004, 01:56 AM
Bah, I don't want to fly any out-dated rubbish like a Swordfish or a Wildebeast.

Give me an Albacore any day! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WTE_Tigger
07-17-2004, 02:14 AM
I'd love to see the Swordfish in either BoB/FB/PF

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Tooz_69GIAP
07-17-2004, 07:41 AM
Big style bumpage for the Swordfish (Taranto anyone?????).

This, with the Gladiator, and the Illustrious, just think of the fun we could have!!!!!

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VW-IceFire
07-17-2004, 07:58 AM
Ummm...Firefly anyone? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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FI.Spitsfire
07-17-2004, 08:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Ummm...Firefly anyone? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Fireflys good but the Swordfish would be better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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p1ngu666
07-17-2004, 08:44 AM
swordfish rocks.
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ill see if i can edit a vid that has a swordfish taking off.. really cool http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

swordfish was the major torp aircraft, ill haveto lookup about the others as i dont know much about em http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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269GA-Veltro
07-17-2004, 09:59 AM
Swordfish forever...damn it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

In spite of Taranto... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif...i love this bird, old but with a wonderfull design.

As for the italians SM 79 was the most important WW2 torpedo bomber, so for the englishes Swordfish was a very important WW2 aircraft.

Sworfish has not been the english "Devastator".

A big bump for Swordfish in Pacific and AEP. More British planes please!!!

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p1ngu666
07-17-2004, 11:41 AM
http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/swordfish/swordfish.WMV

right click save as....

is cool no? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

veltro, funny how both aircraft considered obselite but still did a great job http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Rhavin_
07-17-2004, 12:24 PM
Great vid p1ngu! The Swordfish could also mount under-wing rockets later in the war, and these resulted in a few U-Boat kills to their credit.
I have an interview with a wireless operator on the Swordfish (they called it the Stringbag) during Taranto. He said the suprise was so complete, he was slightly off tuned and listened to opera while the whole thing went down. Taranto went so well for the Brits, that the Japanese sought to emulate it with Pearl Harbour..

p1ngu666
07-17-2004, 12:47 PM
yep, they was active on D-day http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif with rockets, and there last action was against a mini sub 4 hours before peace was declaired http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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FRAGAL
07-17-2004, 01:58 PM
yeh man, so many possibilities, bismarck (happily modelled by the tirpitz http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif ), taranto, and many others http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif, but bumpage love to see em

RCJ99
07-17-2004, 08:02 PM
Yeah scrap PF and start a new game called Atlantic torpedo bombers that were helpless against any fighters.

p1ngu666
07-18-2004, 06:20 AM
hehe, thats ok in the atlantic, cos all u might come across was bf110 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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FRAGAL
07-18-2004, 07:18 AM
or a defenseless battleship called "bismarck" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
07-18-2004, 07:26 AM
Nice vid Pingu where did you find it ?

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p1ngu666
07-18-2004, 10:17 AM
part of a a 700meg vid that waldo.pepper i think has on a ftp http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
07-18-2004, 06:20 PM
ahhh rgr cheers

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heywooood
07-18-2004, 10:10 PM
I LOVE swordfish! and Prawns too.

But the baked potato was overdone..(like that thread that Ivan locked) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif



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p1ngu666
07-19-2004, 05:40 PM
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i got the model off flake http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

a quick play by me...
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ill try and get the model to dave tomoz http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

flake has been really helpful, going to upload his references etc http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Tooz_69GIAP
07-20-2004, 01:04 AM
http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Swordfish.htm

Scroll down to the section on the different versions of the ol' stringbag:

Versions:
Swordfish I : first production version, 992 built
Swordfish II : partly metallic wings to provide capability to launch 127-mm, 27-kg rockets, introduced in 1943, 1,080 built
Swordfish III : equipped with a radar for night raids against submarines, 320 built
Swordfish IV : Swordfish II with closed, heated cockpit for Royal Canadian Air Force, 110 converted from Mk.II

Note the SwordfishMk.II could carry rockets from 1943!!!! Oh yeah, that sounds nifty!!!

A quick google tells me that it carried 8x127mm (5") 60lb rockets, although another website says the rockets were 3" rockets which would be 76.2mm so I dunno.

But here's a pic of a Swordfish with rocket rails

http://baseclass.modulweb.dk/69giap/fileadmin/69_giap_private/images/swordfish_with_rocket_rails.jpg

Only problem is that I can find virtually no references to them having been used in the Pacific, although I have found the odd reference to the RAAF and RNZAF using them, but that could well have been in service in the Indian Ocean and/or Mediterranean.

But man, I would so love to have this aircraft!! Ever since I saw that movie about the raid on the Taranto (forget the name, made in the 50's or 60's), and then the other movie "Sink the Bismark!" did I ever love the Ol' Stringbag!!!

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[This message was edited by Tooz_69GIAP on Tue July 20 2004 at 07:01 AM.]

p1ngu666
07-20-2004, 07:11 AM
i got a very nice profile on the swordfish, and flake is going to share his info http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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flying-flea
07-20-2004, 09:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Big style bumpage for the Swordfish (Taranto anyone?????).

This, with the Gladiator, and the Illustrious, just think of the fun we could have!!!!!

_whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!_

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Yah the japs knew a good idea when they seen it

Tooz_69GIAP
07-20-2004, 10:11 AM
everybody says the Japanese got the idea for Pearl Harbour from Taranto. That's not so.

And neve mind what the Histroy Channel says, they just want ratings, and saying that the origins of the Japanese attack was a british raid kinda makes the entire thing a bit more palatable for the americans to swallow.

In truth, the RN and the FAA were at a severe disadvantage from the mid 20's onwards as the RAF had full control over the aircraft and equipment that the RN was provided with, and so the RN really fell behind in naval aviation tactics due to their really very limited resources.

In 1937 when the RN was given back control over it's air assetts, then they were able to try and develop naval oriented air combat tactics, but really nowhere near the degree to which the americans and japanese had developed.

Taranto was actually more of a notion than a well laid out and tactically organised plan. The admiralty needed a morale booster, and needed control of the Med, and this was the best they could think of mainly due to the Italian's propensity to have the bulk of their fleet sitting idle in the same place.

Fact is, that the japanese were very pleased about the result of the Taranto raid solely because it was the first raid of it's kind to be successful in wartime, and so they were encouraged, but it certainly didn't influence their battle plan, or even spark the idea for themselves.

Even the americans practiced torpedo and bomb runs on their own ships at anchor into Pearl, and more often than not the attacking aircraft got through!!

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FRAGAL
07-20-2004, 03:39 PM
"Indian Ocean Operations - Late in the month the British Eastern Fleet is considerably strengthened by the arrival of capital ships "Queen Elizabeth", "Valiant", "Renown" and carriers "Illustrious" and "Unicorn", cruisers and destroyers. To date only the Ceylon-based submarines have been available to carry out offensive operations in the Indian Ocean, and in January they have two successes against Japanese light cruisers of the 'Kuma' class, both off Penang in the Malacca Strait. On the 11th "Tally Ho" (Lt-Cdr L. W. A. Bennington) sinks the "KUMA". Two weeks later "Templar" damages "Kitakami".

Taken off
http://www.naval-history.net/WW2194401.htm

Doesn't mention if swordfish were involved but it shows the illustrious and a few other carriers were definitely in the PTO

FRAGAL
07-20-2004, 03:42 PM
http://www.odyssey.dircon.co.uk/allpaccarriers.htm

nother site listing all allied pacific based CV's

FRAGAL
07-20-2004, 03:47 PM
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JG53Frankyboy
07-20-2004, 04:13 PM
bring it on

"On 5 April 1942 the Japanese succeeded in destroying their first Swordfish. Six swordfish from 788 squadron based in China Bay from February 1942 were shot down by Japanese Mitsubishi A6M Zeros from Hiryu while in line astern passing along balloon corridor North of Colombo. V4371 was shot down and crashed in sea and trhe crew killed, V4397 ditched near beach and the crew survived, V45398 force landed in the jungle but its torpedo exploded, V4412 force landed on the beach and overturned in the water wounding or killing its crew, V4413 overturned in a paddy field and wounding its crew and V4423 force landed on the beach but was then straffed by A6M seriously wounding or killing it crew. "

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p1ngu666
07-20-2004, 06:27 PM
nice fragal http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

frankyboy thats just mean http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

mind u , 5th of april everything was going down to zero's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

if swordfish had got thru it surely woulda done some serious damage http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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p1ngu666
07-20-2004, 06:28 PM
oh, got info off flake, and my dad got a model mag with plans and pictures http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

dave is still slightly unsure

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tfu_iain1
07-21-2004, 08:44 AM
well id fly it if i got it... maybe against the turpitz (hey its basicly the same as the Bismark), preferably in atrocious weather.)

p1ngu666
07-21-2004, 08:55 AM
yeah think it was a force 9 gale they took off in, at sea.
thats like 50mph or so i belive

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FRAGAL
07-21-2004, 12:20 PM
http://www.kbismarck.com/histoperi.html

She was attacked twice by swordfish the first attack there was little damage, second attack jammed the rudder the navy did the rest

Tooz_69GIAP
07-22-2004, 05:20 AM
What was the name of the british made WWII film about the Taranto raid made in the 50's or 60's???

I've been trying to remember for ages, and I just canny remember it!!!

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WOLFMondo
07-23-2004, 01:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FRAGAL:
http://www.odyssey.dircon.co.uk/allpaccarriers.htm

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I don't think thats very complete.

Its missing a few of the colossus class carriers for a start :/

This list is for FAA and carriers only but its quite comprehensive but doesn't give many dates:
http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/navy/rnfaa.htm

By the end of the war the RN had 13 aircraft carriers out there.

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Fliger747
07-23-2004, 11:56 AM
Then of course there was the time in the Med when the "stringbag's" couldn't catch the Italian Fleet, which was steaming into a headwind. Who says ships can't outrun airplanes!

Tooz_69GIAP
07-24-2004, 11:52 PM
Man, I hope we get this aircraft at some point!!! Wont be in the initial release obviously, but later on would be great!!

Pingu, you gave that info to yer mate for the model????

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Aaron_GT
07-25-2004, 03:10 AM
Goodness that's an ugly plane. I hope we get to have it, at least AI.

Mashie_Nibblick
07-25-2004, 03:30 PM
Bump for the Stringbag! I'm madly in love with this plane (and British bipes in general). Please, Oleg, Luthier, Jesus, Buddha, Pingu's mate Dave, whomever it takes, please give us this bird!

Tooz_69GIAP
07-25-2004, 03:46 PM
Swordfish, with the HMS Illustrious, and "Faith", "Hope" and "Charity" will be very very cool!!!!!

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Flakwalker
07-25-2004, 08:23 PM
What about the Albacore?, it was used in the Pacific?