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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 11:30 AM
this was taken from a LOMAC poster named loke1169th........On all the flight-sim related forums that I normally browse I see the question about TrackIR pop up quite often. Most people ask if the feel realistic, and how you are able to see the screen when you turn your head. I'm a die-hard TrackIR fan these days, and I feel that we, fans of the TrackIR, don't do it justice by just saying "it rocks" and "buy one". Therefore I decided to write something a bit longer on the subject.

First of all, for the people that haven't seen or heard about it before, let me explain what the TrackIR is and what it does.

The device consists of two parts: The IR camera and a reflecive dot. The IR camera is the device you usually see placed on top of the monitor. It contains an IR emitter and a small camera that sees IR light. The camera then tracks the movement of the IR source and converts it into numbers that can be used by software to control stuff, for example the mouse pointer on the screen.

Note that the TrackIR does not track the head movement. It tracks the reflected IR source. You can place the reflecive dot on anything and use it for control. It's just that for flight sims the most natural place to put it is somewhere on your head.

So, what's it like to fly your favourite flight sim using the TrackIR? The answer is that it depends on wether the sim had native support for trackir or wether you have to use the mouse emulation. Allow me to explain the difference.

If your sim does not have native support but it has mouselook, you can use the TrackIR in mouse emulation mode to move the "mouse" around when till then pan around the cockpit.

The TrackIR always tracks the IR source, this means that it always know exactly where your head is. If I turn my head a bit and then turn it back to the "ahead" position, the driver knows that my head has returned to this position. However, a mouse works differently. A mouse it controlled using realtive movement, not absolute. I.e. there is no "centre" position for a mouse. If you place your mouse in the middle of your mouse pad the pointer remains where it was on the screen. The same is true when using TrackIR in mouse emulation mode. This means that when looking to the right and then forward again, you probably will not be looking excactly forward. It's the same thing with the mouse. Try it, try to move the mouse from the centre to the left edge of the mouse pad and then back again. The mouse pointer will most likely not be in the exact same spot as where it started out. In a flight sim, especially during combat, this can be very annoying. Annoying to the point where I'd rather not use the TrackIR at all.

If the sim supports native mode all this changes. In this case, the sim reads the position of the IR source directly from the driver and uses this information to set the direction which the virtual pilot will be looking. The difference is night and day. All of a sudden I can move my head in any direction I want and in a fraction of a second return to looking forward without having to either press a button to centre the view or trying to find out where the front of the plane went. This is certainly the way TrackIR should be used in flight sims. The reason why I don't fly Flanker 2.5 anymore is that it doesn't have native TrackIR support. I just can't fly without it anymore.

And what about looking at the screen while moving your head? Try it right now. Look at the screen, and move your head to the left and right while still looking at the screen. Not very hard is it? I can move by head approximately 20 degrees to either side before my eyes start to strain. This is certainly enough to give me a very precise view control without losing track of the screen. Also note that the amount of head movement required is configurable in the driver.

Most regulars on flight sim forums have at one time or the other read (or perhaps been actively involved) a thread about how realistic the padlock view really is. I don't intend to argue about that here, but suffice it to say that most people seem to agree that it is a more or less useful compromise for the limitations a small monitor imposes on you compared to a real pilot being able to look around in the cockpit. The problem has always been: either I suffer from having to use the hatswitch to try to keep track of the enemy. A task that is next to impossible for most of us. The alterantive is to use padlock, which just doesn't feel right since I'm not in control of my own view anymore.

TrackIR gives us a third choice. And it's an amazing choice. It combines the realism of no padlock with the simplicity of padlock. You turn your head to the right, and you look to the right. It just takes a few minutes to get used to the fact that you turn your hedd much less than in real life. Trust all of us TrackIR users about this: it really becomes second nature.

In fact, it becomes so natural that if I'm flying and I look around and see an enemy plane I know exactly where it is. Even if I have cockpit reflections turned off. I know this without any information other than me knowing in what direction my head is pointed. All arguments about cockpit refletions, and other visibility hints suddenly don't apply to you anymore. You don't need them, because you are no longer constrained to fly with a small window on the world controlled by a clumsy hat switch. You are a virtual pilot.

And now LOMAC is coming. The demo contained everything I needed in order to realise that this will be a great TrackIR experience. We can fly the MiG-29 and Su-27 with helmet mode. In Flanker 2.5 helmet mode existed, but it was a bit silly to use. Either you used the hat switch to move the view point to where the enemy plane was, and then you had to use the keys to try to slave the circle in order to lock the enemy. This was certainly not realistic and no doubt much more work than the real pilot faces. Or, you could use padlock to pretty much automatically lock on to the enemy plane. This was certainly easier, too easy in fact. If nothing else, you didn't feel like a real pilot using the helmet mode.

Again, we can thank the TrackIR for changing all this. All of a sudden we can take the role of a real pilot using the helpet mounted sight to target an enemy. And we can do it the same way as the real pilot can. The feeling you get when you lock on and nail that Mirage with your helmet mounted sight when you are in the middle of a furball fight is something incredible. If you haven't tried the TrackIR you can't imagine it, but trust me when I and all other happy TrackIR users say this: You will not be disapointed. This truely is a device that has changed flight simming.

Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Naturalpoint or any of their resellers other than being a happy customer.



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Message Edited on 10/14/03 03:36AM by tenmmike

Message Edited on 10/15/0301:29AM by tenmmike

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 11:30 AM
this was taken from a LOMAC poster named loke1169th........On all the flight-sim related forums that I normally browse I see the question about TrackIR pop up quite often. Most people ask if the feel realistic, and how you are able to see the screen when you turn your head. I'm a die-hard TrackIR fan these days, and I feel that we, fans of the TrackIR, don't do it justice by just saying "it rocks" and "buy one". Therefore I decided to write something a bit longer on the subject.

First of all, for the people that haven't seen or heard about it before, let me explain what the TrackIR is and what it does.

The device consists of two parts: The IR camera and a reflecive dot. The IR camera is the device you usually see placed on top of the monitor. It contains an IR emitter and a small camera that sees IR light. The camera then tracks the movement of the IR source and converts it into numbers that can be used by software to control stuff, for example the mouse pointer on the screen.

Note that the TrackIR does not track the head movement. It tracks the reflected IR source. You can place the reflecive dot on anything and use it for control. It's just that for flight sims the most natural place to put it is somewhere on your head.

So, what's it like to fly your favourite flight sim using the TrackIR? The answer is that it depends on wether the sim had native support for trackir or wether you have to use the mouse emulation. Allow me to explain the difference.

If your sim does not have native support but it has mouselook, you can use the TrackIR in mouse emulation mode to move the "mouse" around when till then pan around the cockpit.

The TrackIR always tracks the IR source, this means that it always know exactly where your head is. If I turn my head a bit and then turn it back to the "ahead" position, the driver knows that my head has returned to this position. However, a mouse works differently. A mouse it controlled using realtive movement, not absolute. I.e. there is no "centre" position for a mouse. If you place your mouse in the middle of your mouse pad the pointer remains where it was on the screen. The same is true when using TrackIR in mouse emulation mode. This means that when looking to the right and then forward again, you probably will not be looking excactly forward. It's the same thing with the mouse. Try it, try to move the mouse from the centre to the left edge of the mouse pad and then back again. The mouse pointer will most likely not be in the exact same spot as where it started out. In a flight sim, especially during combat, this can be very annoying. Annoying to the point where I'd rather not use the TrackIR at all.

If the sim supports native mode all this changes. In this case, the sim reads the position of the IR source directly from the driver and uses this information to set the direction which the virtual pilot will be looking. The difference is night and day. All of a sudden I can move my head in any direction I want and in a fraction of a second return to looking forward without having to either press a button to centre the view or trying to find out where the front of the plane went. This is certainly the way TrackIR should be used in flight sims. The reason why I don't fly Flanker 2.5 anymore is that it doesn't have native TrackIR support. I just can't fly without it anymore.

And what about looking at the screen while moving your head? Try it right now. Look at the screen, and move your head to the left and right while still looking at the screen. Not very hard is it? I can move by head approximately 20 degrees to either side before my eyes start to strain. This is certainly enough to give me a very precise view control without losing track of the screen. Also note that the amount of head movement required is configurable in the driver.

Most regulars on flight sim forums have at one time or the other read (or perhaps been actively involved) a thread about how realistic the padlock view really is. I don't intend to argue about that here, but suffice it to say that most people seem to agree that it is a more or less useful compromise for the limitations a small monitor imposes on you compared to a real pilot being able to look around in the cockpit. The problem has always been: either I suffer from having to use the hatswitch to try to keep track of the enemy. A task that is next to impossible for most of us. The alterantive is to use padlock, which just doesn't feel right since I'm not in control of my own view anymore.

TrackIR gives us a third choice. And it's an amazing choice. It combines the realism of no padlock with the simplicity of padlock. You turn your head to the right, and you look to the right. It just takes a few minutes to get used to the fact that you turn your hedd much less than in real life. Trust all of us TrackIR users about this: it really becomes second nature.

In fact, it becomes so natural that if I'm flying and I look around and see an enemy plane I know exactly where it is. Even if I have cockpit reflections turned off. I know this without any information other than me knowing in what direction my head is pointed. All arguments about cockpit refletions, and other visibility hints suddenly don't apply to you anymore. You don't need them, because you are no longer constrained to fly with a small window on the world controlled by a clumsy hat switch. You are a virtual pilot.

And now LOMAC is coming. The demo contained everything I needed in order to realise that this will be a great TrackIR experience. We can fly the MiG-29 and Su-27 with helmet mode. In Flanker 2.5 helmet mode existed, but it was a bit silly to use. Either you used the hat switch to move the view point to where the enemy plane was, and then you had to use the keys to try to slave the circle in order to lock the enemy. This was certainly not realistic and no doubt much more work than the real pilot faces. Or, you could use padlock to pretty much automatically lock on to the enemy plane. This was certainly easier, too easy in fact. If nothing else, you didn't feel like a real pilot using the helmet mode.

Again, we can thank the TrackIR for changing all this. All of a sudden we can take the role of a real pilot using the helpet mounted sight to target an enemy. And we can do it the same way as the real pilot can. The feeling you get when you lock on and nail that Mirage with your helmet mounted sight when you are in the middle of a furball fight is something incredible. If you haven't tried the TrackIR you can't imagine it, but trust me when I and all other happy TrackIR users say this: You will not be disapointed. This truely is a device that has changed flight simming.

Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Naturalpoint or any of their resellers other than being a happy customer.



U.S INFANTRY 1984-1991

Message Edited on 10/14/03 03:36AM by tenmmike

Message Edited on 10/15/0301:29AM by tenmmike

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 11:46 AM
Ok, ok I'm convinced. I'm going to order it right now!
Thanks for the heads up (sic)!!

I'd never join a club that would have ME as a member!!.

T_O_A_D
10-14-2003, 12:41 PM
That guy really put some thought to it nice post.

Now for all who are convinced by this and need some help with it later. Read my link below.


Nice find tenmmike

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 01:08 PM
I guess I'll pull mine out of the drawer and give it another go. (I planned on it anyway, after I get my HOTAS and pit situated)

It should help my transition to "righty" by relieving my right hand from the dexterity requirements of hat-tracking.

I may need some tutorial info (TrackIR for dummies) or something as the interface doesn't strike me as very intuitive. Also, whatever profiles you may have that have worked and how to apply them.


*resolved sigh* I knew it would come to this.



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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 01:52 PM
Ok, I've just ordered it from the manufactures website. Even with $53 postage it's cheaper than anywhere I could find that stocks it in the UK.

http://games.naturalpoint.com/store/store.wp2

I'd never join a club that would have ME as a member!!.

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 01:53 PM
Thunderbolt56 wrote:
- I guess I'll pull mine out of the drawer and give it
- another go. (I planned on it anyway, after I get my
- HOTAS and pit situated)
-
-

Download the latest non-beta drivers. They are much better than the ones that come with the distribution CD.

Oh, and use lots of dots...

Regards,

RocketDog.

PS - if you PM me your email address, I can send you the profile I use for FB.

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 01:59 PM
If you are Hosting , and turn off Padlock does it turn off Track IR ?
(Is there a way for the Host to turn off the Track IR and make it just a useless DOT on your head ? )

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 02:03 PM
I'll consider getting it when I can have 3d goggles
so I don't have to try and look at the screen out
of the corner of my eye.

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 02:06 PM
what makes you think you have to look out the corner of your eyes? ..if you can look at the corner of your moniter the youll be fine

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T_O_A_D
10-14-2003, 02:08 PM
o-no & AaronGT

Are terribly confused on this subject.

Answer to O-NO is no it can not be turned off. I feel you are fishing.

AaronGT It is way more precise than that. If your not fishing. I only move my head about 1 1/2 inches from center to view nearly 360% in the Pit.

Both of you look at my Fix link read all post on it and the links I have added aswell as traks. If there is any more chum you would like to toss after that to the fishes then so be it. Chum away and we'll se what we can do to get you another bite /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 02:14 PM
Blimey you're a man of action ELEM, I like that.





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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 02:35 PM
Brock.Landers wrote:
- Blimey you're a man of action ELEM, I like that.
-

I just got paid! Seemed like a good idea at the time!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I hope I'm not disapointed, for tenmmikes sake!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I'd never join a club that would have ME as a member!!.

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 02:40 PM
keep in touch with T.O.A.D hes the man

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 02:45 PM
A couple more tips:

1) Make sure it is in Absolute mode in the drivers and start it BEFORE starting FB.

2) As soon as you are in FB, and in a plane, look directly ahead and press F12 to centre. After this you don't need to bother with it again. You can get up to take a leak, grab a drink and sit back down again without having to re-centre.

3) Tweak your motion settings so that you have zero movement at 0,0 X&Y and build a curve from there. This gives you a "deadzone" when looking ahead when you are concentrating on shooting. This way you don't have any annoying wobble from slight movements of your head.

4) place your collection of ~4 dots on a vertical cylindrical object or sphere. Attach this to a "boom" extender on the brim of a baseball cap. The idea is to have the dot as close to the receiver as possible for maximum fidelity and precision. Yes you can put it on your headset microphone or glasses but without the "boom" you will have to compensate for the lack of side-to-side throw by increasing speed/sensitivity at a loss of actual precision.

5) At first you will be tempted to have the smoothing setting set to 120 because it makes movement smoother. After experience you will realize that the increased movement lag is not worth it. I set mine at 60 which is a nice balance. If you think about it, you do not look at objects WHILE turning your head but instead move your head to the AREA you want to look and keep it still until you focus on what you're looking at. This is the concept that RBJ cannot comprehend to his loss (and our gain). FB is not a first person shooter where mouse precision is critical. As long as you can stay still and determine the attitude and direction of a plane where you look than a bit of jerkyness as it gets there won't make ANY difference.

6) In the motions tab make sure that when you comfortably turn your head side-to-side that it covers the WHOLE screen. If not than you need to get the dots closer to the receiver because you are having to make the software extrapolate the points in between (since the acceleration is faster), this means less precision. Up and down isn't as critical unless you are one of those "No cockpit and Lovin' it!!" types.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 03:30 PM
T_O_A_D wrote
Answer to O-NO is no it can not be turned off. I
- feel you are fishing.

?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????

HOW Is asking if it can be turned off before I buy it - Fishing ? (It would be a useless piece of head gear if it's turned off - wouldn't it ?)

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 03:46 PM
T_O_A_D wrote:
- AaronGT It is way more precise than that. If your
- not fishing.

No, I'm not fishing.

Actually the issue is not the precision, but the
senstivity, and my potential ability to move my
head still. If it moves the image on screen a lot
compared to my head movement, then it requires me
hold my head rather still, which could be a bit
of a pain.

- I only move my head about 1 1/2 inches
- from center to view nearly 360% in the Pit.

That sounds pretty terrible - far too sensitive
for my liking. I'd prefer something with a 1:2 or
even 1:1 ratio. Better feel/immersion/SA perhaps.

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 04:04 PM
Nice post tenmmike.

I wouldn't be without my TrackIR. The latest drivers have finally sorted it for me. I had problems with it defaulting to mouse emulation before, but now it's solid as a rock.

For new users: there are quite a few guys on these forums who have profiles for downloading. Try some of these out until you find one you quite like, get used to it and then either fine tune it or make one to your own preference. After using adaptations of other guys profiles, I'm now on my own special setup, but I needed to study the others in order to understand how to do it.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 04:23 PM
Thanks tenmike for the great Info. on the TrackIR , But Please don't say that T.O.A.D. Is the man , Look at how he responded to some good questions !

TOAD IS AN A-HOLE AND HE ALWAYS WILL BE !

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 05:08 PM
You don't have to turn your head with TrackIR. Just move your head from side to side a little and it pans the cockpit just the same. Takes a bit of getting used to but it's more relaxing when you get it right and your eyes are always straight on with the monitor.

OC

Power to the nOObs

Buzz_25th
10-14-2003, 05:28 PM
Let me add something here to ease the minds of the ones who think you need to turn your head too much.

I'm completely blind in my right eye. Zero. Black. So when I turn my head to the left. I only have my left eye to watch the screen. You guys with sight in both eyes can watch the screen with your right eye when you turn left. Yet, I have no problem with TrackIR. You will have it much better.

I can whip from full right-back to full left-back in a nano second, and stop anywhere along the way with precise accuracy. I can also move in slow motion with no problems.

This is really a no brainer guys. You move your head where you want to look. How natural can you get?

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 05:32 PM
Veta did a review of the track IR at our site, worth a look before you blow your cash, although he loves his LOL

http://www.battle-fields.com/article.php?artid=60

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 05:41 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:

- I'm completely blind in my right eye. Zero. Black.

No disrespect meant Buzz, just an honest question out of curiosity:

You can not see anything ofcourse with that one eye, but you mentioned black. Is that what nothing looks like? Black? That means you can "see" black? Or?

Ahh..i simply can not imagine what it means to be blind. And i'm not too anxious to experience it either, but i still remain curious.


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Hawgdog
10-14-2003, 05:43 PM
O-NO wrote:
- Thanks tenmike for the great Info. on the TrackIR ,
- But Please don't say that T.O.A.D. Is the man , Look
- at how he responded to some good questions !
-
- TOAD IS AN A-HOLE AND HE ALWAYS WILL BE !


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Buzz_25th
10-14-2003, 05:52 PM
Dnmy

With my eyes open. It looks normal, except of course I see nothing on the right side. I also have no peripheral vision.

Just cover one eye with your hand. That's what I see.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 06:02 PM
hmmm... I still think a mouse is fine. But er... um... how much is it in English pounds and is there a store that stocks it? I must admit the detailed posted had piqued my interest....

If I did get it it would be more for ease of use and frreing up controls than anything else.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 08:15 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:

- Just cover one eye with your hand. That's what I
- see.

Rgr, i understand that.

Except that when i cover my 1 eye with my hand i still SEE black with the eye that i covered. But if that is what you "see" with your blind eye then,.. you can see black with your blind eye? But if your eye is blind you can not see anything, right? i mean, not even black?

Am i making sense? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif If not sorry.

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Buzz_25th
10-14-2003, 08:22 PM
Black is nothing.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 08:23 PM
I'd love to have track IR, but at the price they're asking, I'll settle for my mouse and hat.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 08:26 PM
SeaFireLIV wrote:
- hmmm... I still think a mouse is fine. But er...
- um... how much is it in English pounds and is there
- a store that stocks it? I must admit the detailed
- posted had piqued my interest....
-
- If I did get it it would be more for ease of use and
- frreing up controls than anything else.
-
- "Tis better to work towards an Impossible Good,
- rather than a Possible Evil."
-
- SeaFireLIV.
- (Spitfire & Escape Whiner Member).
-

You can go go to the link I mentioned earlier there is a link to a retailer who sells them in the UK (about 85 I think).

Or you can use this link:

http://www.edimensional.com/Merchant2/agent.mv?AG=battlefields&SC=SFNT&S=edimensional

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 08:28 PM
just curious:

will it work with a laptop? I play FB on my laptop exclusively so in order to try trackIR it would have to be suitable for an application such as mine.

TIA

Johann

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Buzz_25th
10-14-2003, 08:31 PM
I'm always amazed at guys thinking $120 is a lot of money. What sort of hobbies have you had in the past? Flight sims is about as cheap as it gets. You can spend that on one night out. That's one night of pleasure. TrackIR will give you pleasure for years. Years!

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 08:37 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- Black is nothing.

Rgr thx

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 08:43 PM
Great post tenmmike. I'll give it some serious thought.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 09:03 PM
Bumpage...I want to keep this at the top as I'm leaving work and want to check it out more closely when I get home and can do something with it.



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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 09:10 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- I'm always amazed at guys thinking $120 is a lot of
- money. What sort of hobbies have you had in the
- past? Flight sims is about as cheap as it gets. You
- can spend that on one night out. That's one night of
- pleasure. TrackIR will give you pleasure for years.
- Years!
-

One night? my ex-girl slapped my face cause I whined on $100 dinner. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 09:41 PM
My turn to add. If you want to make your own profile.. here is a good place to start. I used these settings to begin with and started tweaking motion speed and deadzone areas until I found something I liked.

http://forums.naturalpoint.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000073

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 10:33 PM
Aw man I'm REALLY tempted now...

It's going to have to wait until the next wage packet though, no wait, I was going to buy a 9800pro next month...aaaaaaaaaaaaargh!

I've had a really good look on the net for one now and BTZ_Bonehead's link is the cheapest for sure if, like me, you are UK based. One UK retailer wanted 299 blinking pounds!





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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 10:57 PM
Great post tenmmike. Thanks for taking the time to write it. This is probably the most detailed and comprehensive post that tries to describe what the TrackIR "experience" must be like. (I say it that way b/c I don't own one myself.) I haven't seriously considered one before now, but I may have to in the future.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 11:19 PM
PM me when it can refresh at 100hz and I will consider it. I know it does all this and all that but the bottom line is does it pan smooth and the answer is NO.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 11:26 PM
Ray don`t spoil this post... it can refresh @85hz allright, and it`s more then acceptable. And it just as smooth as mice.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 11:33 PM
It's smooth as silk with me. Its great but it takes practice and time to get familiar so be patient. Well worth the $$$.....

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 11:46 PM
Actually it's a 60Hz device according to the discussion I had with one of the developers. The smoothing feature makes this effectively higher than that but at the cost of a bit of lag depending on how much you set it at.

Again, RBJ can't see the forest through the trees on this subject and doesn't realize that in a flight sim you can't focus on anything while your head is moving anyway. When you stop moving your head (ie in the deadzone) the TIR does not affect your perceptive framerate and is not linked to framerate.

Think of it like driving a car. You move your head until it is where you want to look and then stop to focus on an object to determine it's direction and heading. You do not move your head while focusing on an object.

In a first person shooter it is essential to have a high polling input device (your mouse) because your aiming is directly connected to your view and to aim you need the smoothest motion possible to centre up on your target. In a flight sim it is not as necessary.

I too would like a higher polling TIR because I like every graphical advantage I can afford but although I'd never consider using TIR seriously in a fast-paced FPS it is quite adequate in a flight sim as long as there is direct support for it like FB.

For the price of 2 or three games, or less than half the price of a new video card the TIR will give you WAY more immersion than you could dream of. It is absolutely a must-have for me. Going back to a hatswitch would be like giving up my joystick for the keyboard.


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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 12:32 AM
Ok, I`ve checked up the details- and it looks good. Almost TOO GOOD. But ONE question, tenmmike...

What are its disadvantages? Where does it fail? Are there specific specs needed which are other than on the box. Is RBJ right about the refresh rate?

Nothing have I ever seen in my life comes without something wrong about it. I`m not looking for something terrible, or awaful, just something that isn`t perfect.


If you tell me there are no negative points at all ever I won`t be buying it.





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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 12:37 AM
Thunderbolt56 wrote:
- I guess I'll pull mine out of the drawer and give it
- another go. (I planned on it anyway, after I get my
- HOTAS and pit situated)

- I may need some tutorial info (TrackIR for dummies)
- or something as the interface doesn't strike me as
- very intuitive. Also, whatever profiles you may have
- that have worked and how to apply them.



You are on the right track already by building a pit, for one simple reason you will always be sitting in the same position relative to the IR tracking unit.

I think this more important than what profile you use becuase if the distance changes from the tracking unit to the reflective dot it will change how TiR responds.

So before doing anything else make sure your in the same position every time you play.I like to be around a arms lenght from the Eye and to do this I have it mounted on a long stick above the monitor and hang the eye from that.My reflective dots are on the bridge of my glasses and I use 4 of them in a large circle this way it gets a good iR return.

Also you will have to train yourself not to put to much body english into your flying it will make selecting a good profile much more difficult

Then make sure that at first you allow a large deadzone in your profile this will help alot, you can reduce it as you get used to it .


When I started to use this gadget I found I had to turn my head to far but as you become more proficient you can make your settings more agreasive then it's much better as you dont have to look out the corner of your eye to see the screen.

But most of all be persistant it takes a little time to master it but once you do there is no going back.



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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 12:51 AM
KarayaEine wrote:
- just curious:
-
- will it work with a laptop? I play FB on my laptop
- exclusively so in order to try trackIR it would have
- to be suitable for an application such as mine.

Yes it works on a laptop in fact the transmitter is made to sit on the top of a flatpanel display .So you will have no problem in this respect.Just make sure when you play your sitting the same distance from the TiR unit or it will screw with your profile.

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 12:57 AM
SeaFireLIV wrote:
- Ok, I`ve checked up the details- and it looks good.
- Almost TOO GOOD. But ONE question, tenmmike...
-
- What are its disadvantages? Where does it fail? Are
- there specific specs needed which are other than on
- the box. Is RBJ right about the refresh rate?
-
- Nothing have I ever seen in my life comes without
- something wrong about it. I`m not looking for
- something terrible, or awaful, just something that
- isn`t perfect.
-
-
- If you tell me there are no negative points at all
- ever I won`t be buying it.


Well at first its hard to use but after that it's simple ,well better than simple as I forget I'am even using it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .I know how you feel but honestly it works very well and I dont think I know of anyone thats had it fail or anything like that.Read my other post and what i have said in them should answer your questions.

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 12:58 AM
Hey, don't take RBJ opinion serious.

He's just having fun on your reaction.

It's funny when he bash ATI but if it comes to TrackIR, it starts to annoying. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I'm going to buy radeon9700pro thanks to RBJ opinion on VGA. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 01:02 AM
If the next version refreshes at 85, I might give it a shot but 60 ... no way.

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 01:07 AM
So while the screen is "moving" as you turn your head the refresh is only 60hz and then when you stop moving it jacks back up to 85hz?

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 01:08 AM
Whats all this about the trackIR not poling smoothly???Wasnt their a post about a new trackir unit to come out soon with faster polling and some "extra" features???

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 01:17 AM
Heres a link to an Excellent Flight sim related website

http://www.sim-news.com/

scroll down and youll see some very interesting news from Track-IR and CH products

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 01:18 AM
SeaFireLIV ray is right about the refresh rate that is all he is right about though he simply does not know what he is talking about as to the panning it is silky smooth just read everybodys posts....bad thing is it takes some ppl like myself a bit of time to get used to it but once you do you never go back .also the setting up of the device(profile) was to me not very intuitive.. the dots that are tracked are to small but if you look at toads post or some others its a easy fix you just get a wood ball and add a few more litle stickers..the guys at natural point are going to fix that problom on their own in about december, the track ir(tir) can become distracted somtimes by bright or shiney things in the room ( iv not seen this though) itll track a cigertte also! it will slowly move off center but is easly recentered with f12..all in all the think i dislike the most was just setting the profile its just not as easy as i think it could be.....but ther is a growing community of users who will be glad to help. it requires no wierd things for your pc other then a open usb port

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 01:31 AM
Yeah ... Trackir rocks.. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 01:33 AM
Rogodin wrote:
- So while the screen is "moving" as you turn your
- head the refresh is only 60hz and then when you stop
- moving it jacks back up to 85hz?

That is what it might appear, although your monitor (if set at 85hz) will never go below 85hz. When you have a slow refreshing panning device it creates the illusion that you are getting really bad frames while it is panning, even if your frame rate and monitor refresh rate are set to 1000hz.

Take the thumbstick on the CH Pro Throttle. I tried using this for mouseview but instead it made things look like I was getting 15fps. It's a simple matter of how many times per second it records a value. The slower this number (refresh rate) the more "herky jerky" the image will move. And just because it looks like 15fps, doesn't mean the thing is refreshing at 15hz.

So to think that 60hz on a infa-red device is enough is pushing the limit. I can instantly tell if my monitor is refreshing at 60hz, because it "attacks" my eyes. I set my mouse to refresh at 200hz and that is real nice. I can tell the difference with my mouse on 85, 100 and 200. I would really like for this track IR to get to 85 or 100 before I gave it a shot.

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 01:57 AM
tenmmike, pourshot, I don`t normally take RBJ seriously, don`t worry, but he did create an element of doubt which made me wonder (cos nothing is perfect, even RBJ!!).

Anyway, your honest response has helped me make up my mind. I`ll see about purchasing it soon... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Message Edited on 10/15/0312:59AM by SeaFireLIV

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 05:17 AM
RayBanJockey wrote:
-
- Rogodin wrote:
-- So while the screen is "moving" as you turn your
-- head the refresh is only 60hz and then when you stop
-- moving it jacks back up to 85hz?
-
- That is what it might appear, although your monitor
- (if set at 85hz) will never go below 85hz. When
- you have a slow refreshing panning device it creates
- the illusion that you are getting really bad
- frames while it is panning, even if your frame rate
- and monitor refresh rate are set to 1000hz.
-
- Take the thumbstick on the CH Pro Throttle. I tried
- using this for mouseview but instead it made things
- look like I was getting 15fps. It's a simple matter
- of how many times per second it records a value.
- The slower this number (refresh rate) the more
- "herky jerky" the image will move. And just because
- it looks like 15fps, doesn't mean the thing is
- refreshing at 15hz.
-
- So to think that 60hz on a infa-red device is enough
- is pushing the limit. I can instantly tell if my
- monitor is refreshing at 60hz, because it "attacks"
- my eyes. I set my mouse to refresh at 200hz and
- that is real nice. I can tell the difference with
- my mouse on 85, 100 and 200. I would really like
- for this track IR to get to 85 or 100 before I gave
- it a shot.

You are absolutely right about the thumbstick on the CH Pro throttle, I have one too. All I can say is that it refreshes MUCH faster than that to the point where it is quite fine but it's a subjective opinion. I can tell the difference between 60, 85, 100 and 200 myself.

If they are indeed coming out with a better unit soon, well, I would wait too unless it's significantly more expensive and since you don't know what you're missing now it won't really matter.

And Rogodin, no it doesn't "jack up" anything. When you aren't moving your head the objects moving on the screen are moving at your apparant framerate.

Back in IL2 before absolute enhanced mode the TIR was tied in somehow with the framerate and even when you're still it looked like planes were sliding down stairs. Hard to explain but now it's very good.

If you want to see for yourself how TIR looks just start moving your mouse around in the game.


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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 05:42 AM
I don't fly without it. It adds so much to the immersion factor that I can't go back to snap views or bottons on my controls./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 06:19 AM
Here is my advice. Dont get TIR. You see, I love mine. Last night I made a "bridge" for it. THis moved it a lot closer to my mike boom where I have six dots. Now, I see so well that I killed five fighters and a bomber in a single QMB. Lets forget they were ALL Aces and that they were La5FNs, I-16s and LaGGs. You can even say that I was lucky in the P-40E. You guys dont really need this device. Its such a hassle to have to set it all up. And after all, who would you ask if you had a question or got stuck? BTW, thanks to all of the community members that helped me get set up. All I really use it for is checking my gauges in Gunsight mode and finding targets. Its so annoying that I must now move my head a couple of inches too. And when my wife is talking to me all I see out of the corner of my eye is the back of the cockpit. It especially sucks when I split S and look at the bandit on my tail and the ground then bandit ect. I make people crash this way and it makes me feel sooooo bad. I miss my hats. I have five hats(X45 and FF2 combo) and there is not a single view programed to them anymore. I hate that. Now I had to come up with commands for my hats. Its such an empty feeling.
Dont get TIR. Use the money on a night out. Get a good dinner and a few drinks. Better yet, get some other games like Unreal Tournament. This way you are one less person I have to worry about when I fly.

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 09:19 AM
Thanks. It was me who wrote the post. I'm sure you'll not be dissapointed with it. You'll not be able to live without it.


Message Edited on 10/15/0310:20AM by loke1169th

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 09:27 AM
If you are from Europe you can get TrackIR from here: http://www.edimensional.co.uk/products/edaccessories.htm

At 86 or 125Euros ! Expensive but not a bad price.

T_O_A_D
10-15-2003, 09:56 AM
First of all. Thanks tenmmike&Hawgdog for you vote of confidence.

Now to O-NO about this.

O-NO wrote:

HOW Is asking if it can be turned off before I buy it - Fishing ? (It would be a useless piece of head gear if it's turned off - wouldn't it ?)

Thanks tenmike for the great Info. on the TrackIR , But Please don't say that T.O.A.D. Is the man , Look at how he responded to some good questions !

TOAD IS AN A-HOLE AND HE ALWAYS WILL BE !

This is great!

My first Flame been on this board since the Demo in vrious names. I feel so violated. LOL

Me being an A_hole Well you don't know me this is the first we've met so I don't believe you could come to a complete understanding of me already. A_hole or not.

Now I had no intention of offending you. But with your 200 post count I assumed you had been around long enough to have read the many post about TIR and this was nothing more than a fishing trip. My appologies.


Now AaronGT

I'm glad you wasn't fishing. But your 2000 post count led me astray aswell. My appolgies
I could adjust my sensativity to be wider. And to be honest I have never layed a tape to my movments. But I will when I get home just to see. I will repost it later.


I apologize for not repling sooner, but have been busy working on the dedicated server stuff. TIR is second seat to it for me right now.


Now is later. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I used a short pencil protuding from my mouth about 1 inch. Then held up a notepad infront close nough to scribble on it, but below my glasses and Reflective Orb /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif As you see I was incorrect in my previous statement about my headtravel it is a bit more, than stated. I never thought it was that big but it is still confortable for me. We are all built a bit different so you may or may not need to tweek yours a bit to fit. I did not, just used the stock deadzone as per manual. Oh and I retraced pencil marks with a felt tip pen for scanning.
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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 10:28 AM
If T_O_A_D is a_hole were did he drop O-No /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 01:51 PM
As a fellow TrackIR user I found reading this thread compulsive.

Very Well written loke1169th!

From my perception the disadvantages are:

1. Cost (As Buzz so eloquently put it it's only a night out /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )

2. More clutter, hardly a disadvantage but my desk is filling up quick!

3. Scarcity of USB ports. A powered USB hub should be factored in to the price IMHO.

4. The camera can be distracted by other light sources, this can be reduced by using Toads solution or increasing the dot size.

5. Remembering to fire up the software before FB, the software has a 'start up with windows' options and with enhanced mode it won't hijack your mouse.

Remember to associate your chosen profile with FB, this is on the last tab, as this will auto load it when FB starts.

I don't understand RBJ's refresh rate argument. It would appear give an impression that one will see a reduction in the quality of the image.

This is not so. I'll repeat that. This is NOT so. I run at 85Hz and I can perceive no difference in the panning with my mouse or trackIR (It is an optical mouse BTW). At 60 Hz there could be jerkiness in the pan MOVEMENT perceived. But the display remains silky smooth. And when you consider that panning in the cockpit is not (normally) that of a sightseer, but that of someone who is frantically searching for that bandit! (you get my drift I hope)

Frankly if you have time to criticize the pan rate then you ain't dog fighting!

I have no complaints, and find the panning speed/smoothness beyond complaint even when flying to/from a furball or when I go for a Jolly in FMB/QMB.

Aside from FB and a joystick it is the best peripheral I have bought. I could live without my CH Pro Pedals. I would have a difficult choice if I had to give up either my joystick or track IR /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

And please people...lets drop the personal insults. Ultimately you are only exhibiting your own shortcomings and nothing is achieved except disharmony.

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 02:10 PM
T O A D how the heck can you see where you're going with that dirty great piece of paper in front of you?





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10-15-2003, 03:08 PM
Brock.Landers wrote:
- T O A D how the heck can you see where you're going
- with that dirty great piece of paper in front of
- you?


I can't LOL no just kidding I held it below eyes for test. And that peice of paper is from High school, Geeze Like I'm 38 it may be older than a few of you here. I found it the other day when cleaning out the attic, and figured it was about time I used it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 03:48 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- Just cover one eye with your hand. That's what I
- see.

I just realized the vision of my right eye is spot-on, while the left is hazy. Oh bummer.

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 04:19 PM
I am interested in TrackIR and if I can find it at the right price it may become a purchase.
But please tell me I haven't got to wear a baseball cap with a boom and tube attatchment.
How daft would that look?
I could just about live with a red dot on my head or my glasses but to have the previous mentioned contraption would look plain ridiculous.
I dread to think what my partner would think I was up to if she walked in on me with one of those on my head /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

My PC has recently had an upgrade taking me from USB1.1 to USB 2.
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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 04:23 PM
Just a quick question to interject in this entertaining and informative thread. Anyone know the addition to make to the conf.ini file in Il-2 FB to run Track IR? Thank you.

Horrido!

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 07:22 PM
Scragbat wrote:
- I am interested in TrackIR and if I can find it at
- the right price it may become a purchase.
- But please tell me I haven't got to wear a baseball
- cap with a boom and tube attatchment.
- How daft would that look?

I think it would look very daft indeed.

I just stuck six overlapping spots in a 2 x 3 pattern onto a bit of card about 1.2 cm by 0.8 cm and blu-tak it to the bridge of my glasses. It works fine.

Regards,

RocketDog.

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 07:29 PM
RocketDog wrote:
- I think it would look very daft indeed.
-
- I just stuck six overlapping spots in a 2 x 3
- pattern onto a bit of card about 1.2 cm by 0.8 cm
- and blu-tak it to the bridge of my glasses. It works
- fine.
-
- Regards,
-
- RocketDog.

RocketDog.. you should have put a patent on that! Ill bet you see something simular to it for purchace on the TrackIR web sight soon! That is a good idea!

In that I bought thier HAT they sell.. It dont work very well.. But I need to do some more tests.. I think the light from the window is interfering with the stuff on the hat vs. the dot's. That is when the sun is in a certain spot I get a simular symptom with the dot's.. The material they used on the hat seems to be more sustable to sun lihgt.



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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 07:31 PM
Fornixx wrote:
- Great post tenmmike. I'll give it some serious
- thought.
-
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T_O_A_D
10-15-2003, 07:51 PM
missiveus wrote:
- Just a quick question to interject in this
- entertaining and informative thread. Anyone know
- the addition to make to the conf.ini file in Il-2 FB
- to run Track IR? Thank you.
-
- Horrido!

From the readme in your game folder.

6. Il-2 FB ships with integrated TracKIR support.

IL-2 FB uses TrackIR's new "enhanced support for custom integration into games" feature that is only available in the latest software release. In order to use it, you must download the latest TrackIR drivers from www.naturalpoint.com (http://www.naturalpoint.com) < http://www.naturalpoint.com> (1.30 or above). After downloading and installing the software, open the conf.ini file in your FB folder with a text editor (i.e. Notepad) and find the [rts] section. Under the [rts] section locate the following line:

trackIRUse=0

and change it to

trackIRUse=1


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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 07:56 PM
SeaFireLIV wrote:
- Ok, I`ve checked up the details- and it looks good.
- Almost TOO GOOD. But ONE question, tenmmike...
-
- What are its disadvantages? Where does it fail? Are
- there specific specs needed which are other than on
- the box. Is RBJ right about the refresh rate?
-
- Nothing have I ever seen in my life comes without
- something wrong about it. I`m not looking for
- something terrible, or awaful, just something that
- isn`t perfect.
-
-
- If you tell me there are no negative points at all
- ever I won`t be buying it.
-
-
-
Seafire, there are a few negative points with TrackIR.

1. It takes a while and some practice to get used to it.
2. You have to close it down before turning off the PC or it will slow your system shut-down to a crawl.
3. There is no 3. Go and get one, you won't regret it.

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 09:24 PM
Dunkelgrun wrote:
- 3. There is no 3. Go and get one, you won't regret
- it.


Considering it cost over $100 you might want to consider getting the next version that is coming out for Christmas in 10 weeks. (USB 2.0 and higher refesh rate, maybe?)

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 09:49 PM
here ya go ray......simhq has posted some information they obtained regarding a new product that we may see from NaturalPoint in November: the trackIR 2. Their source sighted some details including a more powerful imager capable of 100+ FPS as compared to the current 60 FPS supported in the trackIR, 4-times the data throughput of the current trackIR and the ability for the unit to identify and lock on to tracking devices, such as the trackHat, tracking dots, etc. More details are to come on this as they become available.

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 10:04 PM
also here is a quote from jim after i asked him for a little more info...... jim richardson wrote."Ahh, I guess I can, There will be more info coming over the next week or so, it will be a good Christmas for all trackIR lovers" NOTE this was posted about 2 weeks ago

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XyZspineZyX
10-16-2003, 09:41 PM
Thought you guys might be interested in the email I got from Natural Point about my TrackIR order...

"Hello:

Thank you for your trackIR order. We are currently transitioning to a new product, the TrackIR2. With a more powerful imager, faster frame rate and easier installation, the TrackIR2 will be superior in every respect, Instead of sending you a current generation product, we would like to send you a trackIR2 when they ship at the end of October. As a bonus, we will also send you a TrackHat (a $20 value) free of charge."


What a great deal and company huh! Guess I ordered just at the right time.



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XyZspineZyX
10-16-2003, 10:44 PM
Well, that's my Xmas present sorted out, then /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Regards,

RocketDog.

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10-17-2003, 03:03 AM
...ELEM woteI hope I'm not disapointed, for tenmmikes sake ..well what ya think about that now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ?..damn elem you lucky dog.........here is another very little post from jim.richardson... main man at natural point............................................. ...........Hello: More news to follow in the coming week, that's all I can say

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