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EPP-Gibbs
03-14-2004, 04:21 AM
A question for the developers mainly, but not exclusively....

As a fan of accuracy of detail and realism within FB, I'm looking forward to BoB immensely. My question is; will the gunsights be modelled with respect to function?

For example the RAF sight, Barr & Stroud GM2 (MkII), as fitted to early war Spitfires and Hurricanes is visually nicely modelled in FB, but doesn't actually 'work' as such. In BoB, or later versions of FB, will there be code added to make the sight adjustable so that we can actually set the range and wingspan dials to alter the reticle? The idea being that when the target's wings fitted exactly between the reticle horizontal lines, the target was at the range set. It would be great if that was possible.

Incidentally, during 1938 a crisis in production occurred at Barr & Stroud, and they had 700 sights made under contract by Goertz of Vienna to help alleviate the problem. In spite of the Anschluss pact with Germany they were produced in parallel with Revi sights for the Luftwaffe! The last delivery was made just before war broke out. Pure Capitalism, alive and well!

Also, I've seen mention of the K14 sight as fitted to P51's on these boards. This was the US license made version of the British Ferranti MKIID (Fighter) gyro predictor sight, the first effective predictor sight fitted to fighters. Production started in 1943.

Will this be properly modelled? It showed a reticle of 6 diamonds in circle. The pilot adjusted the width of the circle to fit the target, then set the aircraft type on the dial (marked with different brands of enemy A/C). All the pilot had to do then was place the reticle on the target. If he then fired, the target WOULD be hit. It was that effective. The basic mechanism of that sight, developed at the RAE Farnborough, was to be used by most airforces in the world for the next three decades.

In Germany the development of the Eskania EZ42 Eagle Gyro sight was a top priority, but it wasn't ready until 1945 and very few saw service.

It might be asking a lot, but the inclusion of adjustable sights to complement adjustable convergence would add a lot of extra realism to this already top-of-the-pile Sim. Also the improved gunnery of pilots using the gyro sights would be more 'accurately modelled'! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Your thoughts; developers and community at large?

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EPP-Gibbs
03-14-2004, 04:21 AM
A question for the developers mainly, but not exclusively....

As a fan of accuracy of detail and realism within FB, I'm looking forward to BoB immensely. My question is; will the gunsights be modelled with respect to function?

For example the RAF sight, Barr & Stroud GM2 (MkII), as fitted to early war Spitfires and Hurricanes is visually nicely modelled in FB, but doesn't actually 'work' as such. In BoB, or later versions of FB, will there be code added to make the sight adjustable so that we can actually set the range and wingspan dials to alter the reticle? The idea being that when the target's wings fitted exactly between the reticle horizontal lines, the target was at the range set. It would be great if that was possible.

Incidentally, during 1938 a crisis in production occurred at Barr & Stroud, and they had 700 sights made under contract by Goertz of Vienna to help alleviate the problem. In spite of the Anschluss pact with Germany they were produced in parallel with Revi sights for the Luftwaffe! The last delivery was made just before war broke out. Pure Capitalism, alive and well!

Also, I've seen mention of the K14 sight as fitted to P51's on these boards. This was the US license made version of the British Ferranti MKIID (Fighter) gyro predictor sight, the first effective predictor sight fitted to fighters. Production started in 1943.

Will this be properly modelled? It showed a reticle of 6 diamonds in circle. The pilot adjusted the width of the circle to fit the target, then set the aircraft type on the dial (marked with different brands of enemy A/C). All the pilot had to do then was place the reticle on the target. If he then fired, the target WOULD be hit. It was that effective. The basic mechanism of that sight, developed at the RAE Farnborough, was to be used by most airforces in the world for the next three decades.

In Germany the development of the Eskania EZ42 Eagle Gyro sight was a top priority, but it wasn't ready until 1945 and very few saw service.

It might be asking a lot, but the inclusion of adjustable sights to complement adjustable convergence would add a lot of extra realism to this already top-of-the-pile Sim. Also the improved gunnery of pilots using the gyro sights would be more 'accurately modelled'! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Your thoughts; developers and community at large?

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EPP-Gibbs
03-14-2004, 10:47 AM
Nobody have an opinion? I've just read on another post that someone is asking for tracks to show how the K14 sight works...I take it that means the adjustment is modelled?

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alpermat
03-14-2004, 11:08 AM
K14 gunsight works exactly as you described on P51D20NA and YP80

Bearcat99
03-14-2004, 01:06 PM
You just have to assign the keys in the controls menu. I believe there are 5 commands but they work flawlessly. This K-14 sight is the best I have ever seen modeled in a sim.

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EPP-Gibbs
03-14-2004, 03:06 PM
I realise the K14 has been modelled in terms of function, but what about the Barr & Stroud on earlier RAF aircraft, and the German Revi, for instance.

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