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Zacast51
02-26-2004, 11:00 PM
It sure seems like it to me.

As a pretty dedicated P-51D pilot I am glad. When the Pony was released a while back I was afraid that everyone and their brother would be flying P-51s. I'm glad to see that it has become what it is in other sims - A plane that requires a certain degree of patience, good energy management skills, and in general good flying ability to do well in!

Zacast51
02-26-2004, 11:00 PM
It sure seems like it to me.

As a pretty dedicated P-51D pilot I am glad. When the Pony was released a while back I was afraid that everyone and their brother would be flying P-51s. I'm glad to see that it has become what it is in other sims - A plane that requires a certain degree of patience, good energy management skills, and in general good flying ability to do well in!

necrobaron
02-26-2004, 11:06 PM
Well,I still see the Stang off and on. I don't think it was quite the n00b plane people thought it might be.

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Korolov
02-26-2004, 11:10 PM
Hmm... Still quite common, actually.

Which isn't so bad because there were a lot of them in service.

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Maj_Death
02-26-2004, 11:10 PM
I seem to find lots of them. On average, half the allied planes are P-51's, the rest are a mix of Yak's, La's and other P's.

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Electric.Wizard
02-26-2004, 11:11 PM
Still, the Mustang can turn pretty well if you ride it to the limit, and with 25% fuel.

Zacast51
02-26-2004, 11:14 PM
I always fly my P-51 on 25 percent. she can hang with 109s pretty well but yer in for a world of hurt if one gets in close on your six.

Strange, I don't see them that much. I play on hyperlobby and most of the Allied pilots fly P-39s and LAs it seems.

Dolemite-
02-26-2004, 11:26 PM
Havent you heard of the <AFJ>?

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WUAF_Badsight
02-26-2004, 11:51 PM
no they are my favourite still !

when i see one i ignore other planes & go for the Ponys FIRST !!!!!!!!!!!

seriously tho the Pony is a experten plane

i fly it cause its challenging & 9/10 are not flowen to its strenghts online

Weather_Man
02-27-2004, 12:08 AM
La's will always be the go-to plane for red. It's too good not to. But, P51 is quickly becoming my favorite allied ride. You don't want to mess with a good stang driver.

Slammin_
02-27-2004, 12:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zacast51:
It sure seems like it to me.

As a pretty dedicated P-51D pilot I am glad. When the Pony was released a while back I was afraid that everyone and their brother would be flying P-51s. I'm glad to see that it has become what it is in other sims - A plane that requires a certain degree of patience, good energy management skills, and in general good flying ability to do well in!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The lack of P-51's is indicative of folks realizing just how little skill is required to B&Z all day long. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



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Rajvosa
02-27-2004, 12:51 AM
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BM357_Raven
02-27-2004, 01:09 AM
People dont like the stang cause it wont T&B like the big party favorites..

Coolest planes of the bunch:

P-51, P-47, Fw190, bf109 (not necessarily in that order)...

Easy Planes "yur T&B's":

Yak-3, Ki-84, La, Zeke, P-39

Funnest T&B Plane:

I-153

Ugliest Plane:

IL-2 Sturmovik

Second Ugliest:

Stuka

Planes that rhyme with "buckle my shoe":

Me262

Planes that are kinda nosey:

The Dora

Planes that I like to nose over in:

P-40 and P-47

Planes that require patience:

TB-3

3 most historically important planes for the allies that are available in FB.

Hurricane, IL-2, P-51 (http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif total guess there...)

Most Under-rated FB plane:

hmmmmmm...Have to think about that one...

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Sturmtrooper
02-27-2004, 01:56 AM
It's gonna be cool to see some P-51D vs. Ta-152 dogfights up high .
I love the 'Stang but a lot of combat ,(online) is below 2000m and therefore it isn't a great choice .
When the Ta-152 comes along I think we'll see more high altitude engagements , hence more Mustangs .
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TheGozr
02-27-2004, 03:06 AM
I'm impatient to see the other P51's with no buble canopy, I like them. P 51c

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Cajun76
02-27-2004, 03:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sturmtrooper:
It's gonna be cool to see some P-51D vs. Ta-152 dogfights up high .
I love the 'Stang but a lot of combat ,(online) is below 2000m and therefore it isn't a great choice .
When the Ta-152 comes along I think we'll see more high altitude engagements , hence more Mustangs .
AEP ! AEP ! AEP ! AEP ! AEP ! AEP ! AEP ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Sturmtrooper, when you're engaged with that Ta152 at 10,000m, can I wave as my Jug passes you, slightly climbing? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Good hunting,
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Zayets
02-27-2004, 04:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cajun76:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sturmtrooper:
It's gonna be cool to see some P-51D vs. Ta-152 dogfights up high .
I love the 'Stang but a lot of combat ,(online) is below 2000m and therefore it isn't a great choice .
When the Ta-152 comes along I think we'll see more high altitude engagements , hence more Mustangs .
AEP ! AEP ! AEP ! AEP ! AEP ! AEP ! AEP ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Sturmtrooper, when you're engaged with that Ta152 at 10,000m, can I wave as my Jug passes you, slightly climbing? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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PBNA-Boosher
02-27-2004, 06:00 AM
I'm not really in love wit hthe P-51. Even at high alt I can't make it go above 290 kph. I can't really keep it flying. I'm great with the P-40, and as I learned yesterday, the LaGG-3 1943 version! in the LaGG yesterday, I got 3 kills in the space of about 2 minutes online. It was great!

robban75
02-27-2004, 06:23 AM
One of my best online dogfights involved the P-51. I was flying my D-9 over a large map. My altitude was about 4500m, and I noticed something flying much higher then myself. I started climbing towards this possible bogie, and during the climb I made sure to keep my horizontal distance, in order to stay un-noticed. I climbed at 100% power with the cowlflaps fully opened in order to keep the engine cool for as long as possible. Suddenly I saw that the bogie started leaving a vapour trail, I thought to myself, he must be above 7000m. When I reached 7500m he obviously spotted me. He was some 500m higher than me, and he made a shallow descending turn towards me. I now identifyied it as a P-51.
I was at an alt disadvantage, but my speed was high enough, however at 7500+ meters no abrupt manouvering is possible. With his E advantage he soon positioned himself behind me. I made a steep spiraling dive, he followed me and I noticed bullets swoshing by. I was hit by maybe one or two bullets, but my D-9 showed no sign of any manouverability degradation. Suddenly he pulled up and started a zoom climb back to altitude. I followed him. The spiral dive had effectively taken away his E advantage and I was able to remain close enough to deny him a second chance. The next 7(!) minutes was a one of the most thrilling dogfights I've ever had! In order not to overheat my engine I had to throttle back during every dive, and because of this my engine most of the time showed a normal temperature. The dogfight ended at 3000m, where the D-9 has a performance advantage. Eventually I managed to get some hits to his engine and it started leaving a trail of black smoke. The fight was over, but my heart was still pumping! O'boy, that was some dogfight! But above all it was very even. Performancewise the D-9 and P-51 are a close match in FB, and presumably also in RL! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Bearcat99
02-27-2004, 06:40 AM
I am a P-51/P-47/P-40?P-39 driver myself... The P-51 was is and always will be my favorite mount. Thats how you can tell the arcade flyers from te simmers.... A simmer...even if he flies what is called a "noob" plane...has a;ways flown it..and will keep on flying it. An arcade flyer will pick the easiest plane to yank and bank with period. Ther are guys on HL who fly Ki-84s for one reason and one reason only...and they usd to fly Hurricaines in CFS..... I will fly a La or a Yak...or a Ki dont get me wrong........ but I prefer the American planes..... They just feel better. I practice in 109s and 190s so that if I am in a server with limited planes and someone has to go blue... I can do it...or if those are the only slots open I am not limited and plus they ARE sweet planes to fly.

I rarely go into DF servers though.... unless it's Ivans or the 54th's..... or Redwulf's or some other server where I can enjoy myself and not get TKd on purpose by some geek seeking a thrill.

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AFJ_Skyghost
02-27-2004, 06:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dolemite-:
Havent you heard of the &lt;AFJ&gt;?

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Yes I heard about them but I was told not to trust them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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VW-IceFire
02-27-2004, 06:52 AM
I still fly the P-51 on dogfight servers. Thing is that its vulnerable at low altitude while its taking off. A server such as AFJ normally has such condensed dogfight maps that you need to be desperately lucky to avoid anyone for the first two minutes so you have at least a couple thousand meters where the plane starts to perform well.

Elsewhere its more popular. The P-51 I find to be a good challenge in an FW190 and probably the 109 as well. Their all fairly evenly matched in most regards (they are all energy fighters really). I find the P-51 is fairly easy to fly but it still requires good tactics otherwise its not going to work out. Its definately not the easiest of fighters in the game but one can see why it was chosen by the 8th Air Force.

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AH_Solid_Snake
02-27-2004, 07:16 AM
well some of us are still waiting for their mount of choice (spitfire, a IX preferably http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) but i gotta say in the time i've been waiting i've come to love the P39N1 almost as much.

Sturmtrooper
02-27-2004, 07:34 AM
Ooh , nice paint scheme Zayets .
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Yeah , I'll be sure and wave at you Jug-drivers as you do your fly-bys at 10,000 . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Jeez , I thought this was a post about the Mustang .

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Zayets
02-27-2004, 09:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sturmtrooper:
Ooh , nice paint scheme Zayets .
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
Yeah , I'll be sure and wave at you Jug-drivers as you do your fly-bys at 10,000 . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Jeez , I thought this was a post about the Mustang .

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Oh,
But I've been there.With the same machine http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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T_O_A_D
02-27-2004, 09:19 AM
I fly it and the rest of the American bunch, Like Bear I fly all the rest too incase I have to fill a slot. Problem with that approach is I have yet to master any of them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Case inpoint curtacy of Crazy Ivans server last night.

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BS87
02-27-2004, 10:54 AM
I used to fly the jug alot, and i loved the .50cals. Then one day i made the mistake of taking off in a P-51. After that i was hooked. The pony is now my main steed (http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) and i fly the Dora and the Jug about 20% of the time. There is no better feeling for me than zooming up on the tail of an airplane, letting lose 6 .50cal frlom .35 away, and looking back so see it missing a wing, or on fire http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. The jug is a wonderful aircraft, its just the pony fits my *style* better. I feel its one of the few aircraft in FB modeled correctly. I can do pretty much everything good, but excels at nothing.

XyZspineZyX
02-27-2004, 11:14 AM
Your title explains it. The P-51 is not a dogfighter. It's a fast energy fighter. So, it's no surprise that the guys who just think they'll climb into it and r00l DF servers "just cuz it's a P-51" are discovering.... they still suck. Because they don't know how to fight *anything*, let alone a P-51.

I bet half these clowns have never been past 3km alt in any plane...and it's above 4 or 5km that the Pony really begins to shine. Same with the P47. Great high alt planes. A P51 is average to good down low, a P47 is poor down low (unless it's just doing a high speed strafing or divebombing run).

I wouldn't say the Stang's fallen out of favor. It's still gonna be among the top choices of the n00b types who don't know much about the subject at hand, just as the Spitfire will likely be. The Spit will be much more effective at pure dogfighting, though.

faustnik
02-27-2004, 11:51 AM
The P-51 is still a favorite on any US a/c server I've been on.

Any 190 pilot can jump into a P-51 and feel right at home. It does everything the 190A does, only better. Great a/c!

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BSS_Goat
02-27-2004, 12:01 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by faustnik:

Any 190 pilot can jump into a P-51 and feel right at home. It does everything the 190A does, only better. Great a/c.

I agree almost everything except 1 pass kills.

p1ngu666
02-27-2004, 12:18 PM
i fly it sometimes
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ucanfly
02-27-2004, 01:15 PM
The stang feels a little sluggish , but is not bad. One of the best cockpits in FB IMO. If I get used to FW and 109, then it seems easy to fly Mustang. If I fly Yaks or LAs too much then Mustang feels sluggish in acceleration.

LAgg3 Energy depletion seems waaaaaaay too low in turns . No wonder people like it so much.

BS87
02-27-2004, 01:18 PM
Toad, How did you get the stang to say "Toad" under the bubble canopy?

FA_Whisky
02-28-2004, 03:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Toad, How did you get the stang to say "Toad" under the bubble canopy? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You rework the skin. I called mine "Whisky's Bottle"

BTW, i fly the P51d all the time online and get K4 pilot quite nervous. Kill/death ratio is also about 5 or 6. Sometimes even higher.

NorrisMcWhirter
02-28-2004, 04:07 AM
Hi,

Someone suggested that the P51 and 190 are relatively similar burdens upon the pilot - I agree; 190 has better firepower, though, as you won't drop someone on the first pass in a '51 very often. Does anyone think that the elevators are lighter in the 190, too?

My only gripe with it is it's apparent G (in)tolerance (from flying it) because when you have one on your 6 in a 190, you know you are in trouble on that issue alone.

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Bearcat99
02-28-2004, 06:54 AM
Hey Toad you have an Nvidia card dont you......

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02-29-2004, 08:24 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Hey Toad you have an Nvidia card dont you......

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Zacast51
02-29-2004, 09:04 PM
As far as I know, the FW-190A8 has the following advantages over the P-51

Sheer firepower
Engine Durability
Roll rate
Climb rate

Does the FW-190A8 climb better?

The FW-190D9 and P-51 are deffinetly a perfect patch up.

Oso2323
02-29-2004, 10:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I wouldn't say the Stang's fallen out of favor. It's still gonna be among the top choices of the n00b types who don't know much about the subject at hand, just as the Spitfire will likely be. The Spit will be much more effective at pure dogfighting, though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know, I've never heard a real life fighter pilot say that his Spit (or whatever) was just too easy - a n00b plane. If a plane's easy to fly it generally means that it's well designed.

BS87
02-29-2004, 10:21 PM
I dunno, 190s take a fair amount of .50cal to shoot down, but 109s i find if you line up on the wingroot/engine they fall apart or flame very easily.

CARBONFREEZE
02-29-2004, 11:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zacast51:
It sure seems like it to me.

As a pretty dedicated P-51D pilot I am glad. When the Pony was released a while back I was afraid that everyone and their brother would be flying P-51s. I'm glad to see that it has become what it is in other sims - A plane that requires a certain degree of patience, good energy management skills, and in general good flying ability to do well in!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that once the n00bies and the ameriwhiners realized that it was not the "end all, be all" fighter they stopped flying it because of their lack of skill.

I have yet to see an "above average" skilled P-51 pilot online (outside of WUAF members) flying in a more than medium settings.

Russian aircraft require skill to fly.
German aircraft require ten times that skill, and one hundred times the patience!

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WUAF_Badsight
02-29-2004, 11:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CARBONFREEZE:
I have yet to see an "above average" skilled P-51 pilot online (outside of WUAF members) flying in a more than medium settings. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

most WUAF aint special dood

VMF Pappy is a Awesome P-51 pilot too BTW

BS87
03-01-2004, 12:28 AM
Pappy, Ranger27, and Panther are excelent p51 pilots. I enjoy flying the Pony alot until one of them joins the other team, then i just cry.

adlabs6
03-01-2004, 01:01 AM
It's around often if you look. But often it's not flown well it seems.

I have not spent much time with the P-51, though I may take some time with the B/C models if I get the addon pack.

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