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nearmiss
04-25-2004, 08:45 PM
Sure hope the Pacific Fighters will have some good map sets. We don't need all the big over the water type maps, they'd bore you to tears flying from Solomons to the Port Moresby,etc.

We do need island groups that's sure, and frankly I could care less about Pearl harbor. Only one battle fought there, and that was it.
Also, it's been done to the hilt.

Here's hoping Oleg gives us the hot spot island groups to start. Don't care much for Japan to begin with, since it was subject to the Doolittle raid and not much else until the end of the war.

If anyone knows anything about planned maps I'd sure be interested to read about them.

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nearmiss
04-25-2004, 08:45 PM
Sure hope the Pacific Fighters will have some good map sets. We don't need all the big over the water type maps, they'd bore you to tears flying from Solomons to the Port Moresby,etc.

We do need island groups that's sure, and frankly I could care less about Pearl harbor. Only one battle fought there, and that was it.
Also, it's been done to the hilt.

Here's hoping Oleg gives us the hot spot island groups to start. Don't care much for Japan to begin with, since it was subject to the Doolittle raid and not much else until the end of the war.

If anyone knows anything about planned maps I'd sure be interested to read about them.

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Aztek_Eagle
04-25-2004, 09:00 PM
ur post fills my spirit of anger towards you for some reason

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Korolov
04-25-2004, 09:31 PM
I think pure single island or sets of islands would be good for the USAAF/USMC approach to the game, but not for the USN parts.

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chris455
04-26-2004, 12:46 AM
We need to be able to have some long range flights, or else the building of historic misions will be impossible.

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Giganoni
04-26-2004, 02:17 AM
Well the New Guinea New Britian area was a big meat grinder for aviation pilots..and then later on it was the Phillippines. Since I guess this sim is emphasizing carriers Midway (which we've seen) and the Mariana's should be added. If you add Kamikaze and carrier ops against Japan you need a map with Okinawa and Kyushu at least. B-29 raids? Need Kyushu, Honshu, Manchuria. Also I think we need a couple CBI maps. Burma border, Malaya..etc.

heywooood
04-26-2004, 09:01 AM
This sim will need Pearl Harbour and Japan..

You wouldn't model a title fight between Ali and Frazier and then not model Ali or Frazier would you?.. hope not.

And besides - just because these areas were not attacked (well Pearl Harbour anyway) often, doesn't mean you wont want to fly there.

What about hypothetical situations? Oh - well if you dont want them I guess it isn't needed.

nearmiss
04-26-2004, 09:07 AM
Why no Pearl Harbor...

One battle and it was just an A$$kickin, over with in less than 3 hours.

Why Japan on the first release? Oleg, has always updated and patched the sim.

Having the Solomons and Islands, and Island chains would make for an interesting buildup.

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SuspectSquirrel
04-26-2004, 09:25 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by nearmiss:
Why no Pearl Harbor...One battle and it was just an A$$kickin, over with in less than 3 hours.


Whatever.......

xanty
04-26-2004, 09:25 AM
Well, I am not the most knowledgable person about the PTO, but I think Pearl Harvor is not really needed, except maybe for the mission building lovers. Appart from the attack, I trully cannot see the "need" for it to be included. Am I wrong? Also, Salomons seem like a "must" to me (the hole group of islands, with as much water around as possiblehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

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LEXX_Luthor
04-26-2004, 12:24 PM
Lets make a Deal. No Hiroshima map and No Pearl Harbour map (we can watch teh hollywood movie).

LEXX_Luthor
04-26-2004, 12:55 PM
Anyway the air battles over Wake Island and epsecially Midway Island are much better for FP than Pearl Harbour air battles...although a historical "what if" possibility exists that USA planes get into the air and stop the WAR but then Pearl Harbour would be the only map needed in the game. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Weather_Man
04-26-2004, 01:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Anyway the air battles over Wake Island and epsecially Midway Island are much better for FP than Pearl Harbour air battles...although a historical "what if" possibility exists that USA planes get into the air and stop the WAR but then Pearl Harbour would be the only map needed in the game. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What about those who like to fly for the Emperor? Pearl Harbor would be necessary, I think.

Pentallion
04-26-2004, 05:25 PM
I could just see an online war go something like this:

Congratulations to the Japanese team for winning the Battle of Midway. We now turn to, er, um, I guess the Japanese team wins the war because we don't have Pearl Harbor to invade.

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LtBen
04-26-2004, 05:31 PM
I think this needs to be said when the Solomons are brought up:

PAPPY BOYINGTON!

Giganoni
04-26-2004, 05:35 PM
Well, yes, Japan probably would have attacked Hawaii if they had won midway, I do not know if they would have invaded it..the object of the war was to create their sphere of influence and sustain themselves. Plus if they sunk the u.s. carriers in the battle, Japan in a way would have won the war, for a little while at least.

LEXX_Luthor
04-26-2004, 06:43 PM
Wow, I didn't think of that. Yes, a historic possibility scenario where Japan invades Pearl Harbour after taking Midway. Awsum.

Okay! We need a Pearl Harbour map (after a China map of course).

or, a map of China http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Latico
04-26-2004, 07:03 PM
I kind of like the "what if" idea in regards to Pearl Harbor.

Let's say for instance, that the radar detection of aircraft inbound north of Oahu had been checked out further, rather than dismissed as schedualed arrival of B-17's. Suppose a pair of P-40's had been sent out to investigate while the rest of the air groups were placed on standby alert. Hmmmmmmmmm........

I don't think the IJN Combined fleet would have heard.....

TORA! TORA! TORA!

Or let's suppose that the commander of the IJN Combined Fleet had decided to launch the third wave. And by sticking around for that, The USS Enterprise Air Group had managed to locate it. One US Carrier against 4 IJN Carriers? Bad ods, but who knows how it might have turned out.

Wouldn't it be interesting to find out "what if"?


And let's not forget our Asian/Japanese Sim friends that might want to fly for IJ during the Japanese "Bletzkrieg" of the South Pacific.

And BTW, several US carriers participated in strikes against Mainland Japan in the later part of the war prior to capturing Iwo Jima and Okinawa.

Owl_NZ
04-26-2004, 07:49 PM
I'd like to note that Peral Harbour, although being a one-day battle, would be important for US sales of PF so that US-simmers get to have their "if I was there I'd have shot all the Japs down" moment where they were heavily outnumbered put against weakly armoured planes. A Pacific theatre without PH would hurt sales in the US, and probably Japan (let's face it how interested would non-US people (ie the bulk of the purchasers) be if this turned into another "the US wins every single battle ever fought in the Pacific" game?).

As for the "what-if" scenarios, I'd take it as a given that the Japanese would have invaded the Hawaiian Islands Group (had they won at Midway, because it would give them a major naval facility w/ dry docks/repair facilities etc, the nearest US-owned land-mass would be too far for land-based airstrikes, and the scale of naval invasion force required for it's reconquest by the US would have been beyond the US' capacity until probably 1944/45, by which time Pearl Harbour and its islands would have been equivalent to say a Rabaul in that area.

I do hope to see places like Burma, Dutch East Indies, etc get in because they've been ignored badly in the past. It seems a lot of people think the only airwar in the Far East was the Flying Tigers vs the IJAAF. The RAF was in the Far East too you know and with the Commonwealth forces did a hell of lot to plug up the Japanese in both the South-East Asia and South Pacific. The FAA was conducting strikes on Japan at the end too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

PF is a glorious chance to produce a lasting sim which takes into account ALL the participating sides, not just two of them. Let's see the most is made of this opportunity. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Pentallion
04-26-2004, 07:55 PM
You know, frankly I believe that FDR knew about the attack on Pearl ahead of time and needed an excuse to get into the war. And the primary targets were the aircraft carriers which just "happened" to sail out to run excercises earlier than normal that morning and thus survived the attack.

I'd make a 'what if' scenario where Pearl is attacked and the carriers are there.

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HamishUK
04-27-2004, 09:20 AM
Is it just me that see's a Pearl Scenario slightly in bad taste?

No flame...just saying.

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Pentallion
04-27-2004, 01:46 PM
Probably just you Hamish.

Don't see the difference between a mission about the attack on Pearl as being any different than any other mission of the war. Men died.

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heywooood
04-27-2004, 02:44 PM
HamishUk -

It has already been done by EA games at least..
What do they call that POS again? Rising Sun?

Latico
04-27-2004, 06:36 PM
<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre"> You know, frankly I believe that FDR knew about the attack on Pearl ahead of time and needed an excuse to get into the war. And the primary targets were the aircraft carriers which just "happened" to sail out to run excercises earlier than normal that morning and thus survived the attack.
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Some one needs to read up on there history a bit. Enterprise ws returning from Wake after delivering a Marine Figher Squadron there. Lexington was also on her return from a further away deliver of the same. Saratoga was in San Diega. Not exactly "execises" if ya know what I mean.

As for FDR knowing in advance of the attack? It's been debated, but never proven.

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre"> Is it just me that see's a Pearl Scenario slightly in bad taste?

No flame...just saying.
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I don't see it as a flame, but let's be fair. It *could be argued* that any simulation or game based around war could be concidered "in bad taste" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Copperhead310th
04-27-2004, 08:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HamishUK:
Is it just me that see's a Pearl Scenario slightly in bad taste?

No flame...just saying.

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No Ham you not the only one.
Pearl would b in as much very bad tase as Hiroshima. i don't think we need either of those.

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owlwatcher
04-28-2004, 12:27 AM
Gotta have Pearl Harbor.
It is not in bad taste to study by recreating and replaying history.
Of course I like mission building.
Peral Harbor is interesting and one of the great air battles of the war.
solomons, new guinea,Port MOsley, Northern Austraila,Guadalcanel,Rabual. This would make one nice map... .
And one big water map for carrier warfare.

Giganoni
04-28-2004, 02:05 AM
Pearl Harbor is in bad taste? Please..just a simple case of "Its okay as long as it doesn't happen to us". We praised Japan when they attacked Port Arthur and sunk much of the Russian fleet, with no prior warning. Yet..happens to us, and its "Evil" "Sneaky" "Cheating". Sounds a lot like British soldiers complaining about American revolutionaries not "fighting fair". It was generally a military/industrial target. Bomb the ships, bomb/strafe the airfields, bomb the infastructure (which didn't happen). I know it isn't as clear cut as this, but if civillians did die, it was at a much lower number than vaporizing two cities which ultimately led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands..and still impacts Japanese today. Not talking about the bombs being wrong or not (it probably..helped avoid an invasion which would have claimed millions of casualties, will never know if it was the only way) I'm just saying it is a bad comparison and Pearl Harbor should not be given such a sacred status as Hiroshima or Nagasaki