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Sorrosyss
07-02-2017, 03:59 PM
The legacy of the Isu has been keenly felt across time, with their influence seen across the globe. Pieces of Eden are regularly the main focus for what drives the historical narrative, mostly as the factions in the present day all want information about them in order to obtain them and tip the scales in their favour. As Eden itself was situated in Africa, we can consider the continent a spiritual home for the First Civilization. So what might we see in Egypt? Lets take a look.



The Ankh

http://i.imgur.com/xAMoSJ6.png

Ask any AC lore nerd what they expect to see in Origins, and I daresay this will be one of their first answers. What is fascinating is that its lore has now been completely retconned by Ubisoft, as it's history and backstory were laid out in the Les Deux Royaumes comics - and they are no longer considered canon.

http://i.imgur.com/73JMU0r.png

As such, the only canonical appearance it now makes in the franchise is in AC Rogue. I find it curious that Ubisoft chose to dedicate voice acting resources to such a minor object, if it truly will not have some future payoff. Have a listen:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0TYmkwgCJA

In short, it evidently can raise the dead. Not temporarily anymore. Just... raise the dead outright. However, if it can still record and playback messages, there is every chance that we may see messages from various Isu, or perhaps even Eve and the early human rebellion.

http://i.imgur.com/tM0ErVy.png
[credit to ATA (https://www.facebook.com/AccessTheAnimus/)]

Within the trailers and promotional screenshots for Origins there is a character dressed in a Jackal mask, clearly intending to be identified as Anubis. His name is apparently Hetepi, and we see him carrying an Ankh. Could this be the actual Piece of Eden? Does it appear to glow? I guess we'll find out, but it is curious that he wields this over the corpse of a mummy.

The themes of rebirth are very much central to what is happening with the franchise right now. With Juno hopefully gaining a body from the Phoenix Project (symbolism!), having an item that can potentially resurrect her from the Grey would be of massive interest to the Instruments of the First Will.

Extreme zoom for you.
http://i.imgur.com/Q4AruTn.png



Memory Seals

http://i.imgur.com/wpED0BG.png

You may recall these from AC Revelations. They were able to record memories, and it was how Ezio was directly able to see the memories of Altair. Thanks to the very same game, we also know that the Alexandria Library housed at least two of these seals.


"During a recent excavation of the destroyed library of Alexandria, the Mamluk Sultan's soldiers discovered two First Civilization Memory Seals in a chest dated 331 BC. Infiltrate the soldiers' barracks and acquire the seals before they are inaccessible.

Templar soldiers have launched an offensive to recover the Memory Seals. Defend our headquarters and keep our blessed initiate safe as she works to unlock the mysteries of the seals."

- Mediterranean Defence

If Bayek were to come across these seals, whose memories could he get to experience?

(On a side note, who was this blessed initiate? Another "Lady Eve" at work studying Isu technology? :p)



Staff of Eden

http://i.imgur.com/tccmJJ5.png

The staves have appeared in the series before, and have displayed unique powers. Within the established lore, there are several examples of a Staff of Eden within Egypt, such as the one that Moses took to cross the Red Sea, or the one used by the Pharoah Shabataka in the 7th century BCE. Earlier leaks about Origins appeared to suggest that a Staff was the primary focus to the plotline, and if the supposed rumours about Greece being a sequel are true - a link to Hermes Trismegistus and his staff could also be formed.



Scepter of Aset

http://i.imgur.com/qP0wI5o.png

Whilst this Piece of Eden has had its history retconned like the Ankh, its entirely possible it may too return in a new form for Origins. Its original power was to inspire leadership and devotion, and it certainly sounds like an item that Cleopatra could have theoretically used to a great extent.



Shroud of Eden

http://i.imgur.com/JtdikMG.png

A recent e-mail by the retailer EB Games Australia was sent to many subscribers stating that we would again be seeking the Shroud in Egypt (thanks to ATA (https://www.facebook.com/AccessTheAnimus/) for the image). It was later found to be created purely internally, but as the saying goes "There is no smoke without fire". Considering a Shroud was a major focus of the last game, I'd be hard pressed to explain how another is the focus of Origins - especially as Abstergo already has one. Given that they were essentially med kits for the Isu, there could be several still out there somewhere though.



Blood Vials

http://i.imgur.com/GaBZYLu.png

Whilst they were originally introduced to the franchise for the purpose of powering the Observatory to spy on individuals, the Blood Vials may yet have other unknown purposes. For example, a follower of Juno in 1916 London was using the vials to collect blood samples. Why? If there was ever a location to store a repository of Isu blood, it was always going to be in Africa. With the suggestion that the Pyramids were in part constructed by the Isu, one has to assume that somewhere in the hidden vaults below, will be more Isu samples to be collected. If Juno is intent on rebirthing the Isu, I would be surprised not to see the Blood Vials return in some capacity.



And the Others...

http://i.imgur.com/HJLktXT.png

It would be foolish to discount seeing an Apple. They are so iconic to the franchise now, it would not be a shock to see one here, especially when there is an official Origins pin of one. Beyond that, a Sword of Eden might be possible. Precursor Boxes, though I think fans are a bit sick of seeing those. The Koh-i-noor and Trident are very much tied to the Expanded Universe, so I can't imagine seeing either for Origins.

Whilst anything is possible, and there may yet be a new Piece of Eden introduced - in my view these are the most likely options for what we might see in Origins.


UPDATE : Well thats one!

http://i.imgur.com/b6GokOI.jpg

ze_topazio
07-02-2017, 06:12 PM
I hope there's the shotgun of eden.

wvstolzing
07-02-2017, 06:51 PM
I hope there's the shotgun of eden.

I believe that's indefinitely on loan to the doomguy....

http://i.imgur.com/wspm1ML.png

Megas_Doux
07-02-2017, 09:57 PM
Most likely the shroud, which I find rather disappointing. I would prefer something related to egyptian mythology in the likes of the Akhn or the Book of the Dead. I mean, The book of the dead works as a guide through the Egyptian Underworld, aka Duat and based on fact that Abstergo is looking to fully revive a member of the Isu why not have it as a ISU tool to actually revive somebody back from the dead instead of the temporary effect of the shroud????

Helforsite
07-02-2017, 11:11 PM
I think we will definitely see the memory seals for those "exotic moments" Ash talked about. Ankh is probably also in the game. Regarding the Shroud: gotta disagree, I think this is definitely a situation of fireless-smoke^^

RA503
07-02-2017, 11:56 PM
Yep,will be the Ankh I think that is not much thought here, since is hinted at Unity's intro and Rogue, when we know that Origin's development already start by this point .and will be used to ressurrect Juno .

pirate1802
07-03-2017, 06:06 AM
Which might we see in Origins?

Whichever provides the best vague motivation to move the protagonist/story along till the end of the game.

Abelzorus-Prime
07-03-2017, 01:23 PM
I think the Ankh will be the Mian POE of Origins. I think it will be hidden inside a First Civilization Vault underneath the Great Pyramid. A Vault which could represent Duat.

Megas_Doux
07-05-2017, 01:04 AM
I think the Ankh will be the Mian POE of Origins. I think it will be hidden inside a First Civilization Vault underneath the Great Pyramid. A Vault which could represent Duat.

I just hoping it's not the shroud.......

I would REALLY like to see the Book of the dead to be some sort of a POE.

Elder-Kalakta
07-05-2017, 05:20 AM
I just hoping it's not the shroud.......

I would REALLY like to see the Book of the dead to be some sort of a POE.

That'd be really cool.

We've had book Pieces of Eden like the Book of Abraham and the Voynich Manuscript. One of them looks like blank pages and can drive you mad if you stare at it for too long, but in controlled bursts you can learn the secrets about turning random metals into gold (the Philosopher's Stone) which might explain why the Isu had so many gold Pieces of Eden.

The other book works with Precursor Boxes to activate and translate them.

So the Book of the Dead could have its own interesting functions as well.

Abelzorus-Prime
07-05-2017, 01:04 PM
Well the Book of the Dead is meant to guide people in the afterlife, so I think it will be similar to either the Codex pages or the Voynich Manuscript.

cawatrooper9
07-05-2017, 03:03 PM
I remember reading a few years ago about how the shroud and the ankh might not individually be able to resurrect the dead, but when used together might be able to accomplish it.

As we've already seen the Shroud (which, by the way, could use some more time to be flushed out) and this is a logical time for the Ankh, some exciting stuff might be afoot. I seriously doubt Desmond will come back at this point (though it would be cool) but the ability to raise the dead is literally the antithesis of the Assassins' work- could make for some interesting events.

Abelzorus-Prime
07-05-2017, 06:49 PM
I think the Shroud is more about returning by repairing the body on a geneti level, where as the Ankh is more about bringing back consciousness. So together perhaps they can bring back both mind and body and restore a being to there original state.

cawatrooper9
07-05-2017, 07:13 PM
I think the Shroud is more about returning by repairing the body on a geneti level, where as the Ankh is more about bringing back consciousness. So together perhaps they can bring back both mind and body and restore a being to there original state.

Right, that's pretty much the idea.

The logic is a little wonky, but we've seen POEs react together and exceed the sum of their parts, so I think the writers could manage it to be plausible (within the realm of AC, of course).

Megas_Doux
07-06-2017, 04:28 AM
Well the Book of the Dead is meant to guide people in the afterlife, so I think it will be similar to either the Codex pages or the Voynich Manuscript.

Yes and no!

This "book of the dead" of mine as a POE/vault wouldn't be traditional papyrus itself in the same fashion as the Voynich Manuscript (In fact, the egyptian papyrus "form" is just the watered down version of the ISU one or just a way to explain what the thing does) because I'm thinking more into a series of "gears" or instructions that make the bigger device work. You know, something not useful to Bayek or the templars of 49 BC but to die for to the modern ones.....




That'd be really cool.

We've had book Pieces of Eden like the Book of Abraham and the Voynich Manuscript. One of them looks like blank pages and can drive you mad if you stare at it for too long, but in controlled bursts you can learn the secrets about turning random metals into gold (the Philosopher's Stone) which might explain why the Isu had so many gold Pieces of Eden.

The other book works with Precursor Boxes to activate and translate them.

So the Book of the Dead could have its own interesting functions as well.


Something like it!

Sorrosyss
07-13-2017, 08:09 PM
Well, there's the Apple.

http://i.imgur.com/b6GokOI.jpg

RVSage
07-13-2017, 08:11 PM
The apple looks good, I guess Ankh and the apple are going to have shared screen time, I hope Ankh gets more importance than the Apple though, The apple already has had it's fair share of action

Sigma 1313
07-14-2017, 12:30 AM
Holy crap, I just realized something! (SPOLIERS)

Christopher Columbus' Apple (according Aymar) has the genetic code of the Isu, which they captured and studied briefly before losing it to Cal.

The Shroud has the ability to restore tissue which the Templars nabbed in Syndicate

The ankh has the power to revive the dead, though this has been retconned, and theorized to bring somebody back from the grey.

So Abstergo has the shroud, so they can keep a first civ body from dying. They had the apple, which gives them the genetic code of the Isu, allowing them to succesfully create one, and if they get ankh, they can put Juno into her new body. This then ties in to the box, as we saw in ACCRussia, combined with the Koh-i-noor it can store personalities, and possibly act as a gate way to the grey. Abstergo might attempt to combine the box with the koh-i-noor again or with the ankh to bring Juno out.

This leaves the Ankh, the box, and koh-i-noor, (and voynich manuscript to understand the box) as possible artifacts. The real question is how the apple ties into it, as a recent picture of the calendar shows a man dressed as anubis carrying it, and it's in a special edition. Then of course there's also the scepter of aset that was last seen in a well in Edfu (though this too was retconned). The real question is if ubi will show just one PoE or a large number of them, especially since Egypt has had so many in the lore.

(Just remembered there's also the Apple#1 which was in an unknown location prior to 1000, and was eventually moved to Egypt by Arno).

Megas_Doux
07-14-2017, 01:51 AM
I hope this Apple is not the only POE in the game.

UBOSOFT-Gamer
09-13-2017, 10:04 PM
that looks good

ElderDarklion
09-14-2017, 08:53 AM
May Desmond come back from death with a combination Ankh and apple?
Can Assassians save his body and revive him:confused:?

dxsxhxcx
09-14-2017, 03:06 PM
May Desmond come back from death with a combination Ankh and apple?
Can Assassians save his body and revive him:confused:?

Hope not... hehe