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SodBuster43
05-13-2004, 01:54 AM
This is not a rant about cheats or anything else other than I find I simply cannot compete online due to my skill level and some rather odd quirks in the game or my PC. I am short of throwing the darn PC out the window sometimes.

I still can't understand why my plane zooms around effortlessly when playing online around my home airfield and on the way to target but as soon as I am near an enemy the darn thing becomes sluggish and an easy target for my foe. It starts stalling when it shouldn't etc. I can pull the same maneuvers offline with ease.

For instance, online, following an enemy aircraft in a loop, turn, roll, etc. with sufficient air speed I will hear the control surfaces start fluttering when they shouldn't be and the plane starts stalling. The enemy plane appears to be having no problem and may even turn tighter, etc. when it shouldn't be able to. Offline, under perhaps more extreme circumstances of looping, turning, twisting, diving, etc. this does not happen.

Also, when playing online I usually get left in the dust by enemy planes, especially the Axis planes and in trying to keep up my plane overheats while theirs just keeps outpacing me. Sometimes this happens when their plane is all shot up.

Offline my game runs very nicely with most of the eye candy turned up. My plane does not stall as often and complex maneuvers flow effortlessly. AI planes are not able to zoom away as fast as I have seen some zoom away online either.

I only play on servers where my ping is very low, usually below 70 or so. I have a good cable connection. My system just does not like online play I guess http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Maybe now is the time to practice offline and wait for the patch. Hopefully things improve on my end for online play in the future http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

SodBuster43
05-13-2004, 01:54 AM
This is not a rant about cheats or anything else other than I find I simply cannot compete online due to my skill level and some rather odd quirks in the game or my PC. I am short of throwing the darn PC out the window sometimes.

I still can't understand why my plane zooms around effortlessly when playing online around my home airfield and on the way to target but as soon as I am near an enemy the darn thing becomes sluggish and an easy target for my foe. It starts stalling when it shouldn't etc. I can pull the same maneuvers offline with ease.

For instance, online, following an enemy aircraft in a loop, turn, roll, etc. with sufficient air speed I will hear the control surfaces start fluttering when they shouldn't be and the plane starts stalling. The enemy plane appears to be having no problem and may even turn tighter, etc. when it shouldn't be able to. Offline, under perhaps more extreme circumstances of looping, turning, twisting, diving, etc. this does not happen.

Also, when playing online I usually get left in the dust by enemy planes, especially the Axis planes and in trying to keep up my plane overheats while theirs just keeps outpacing me. Sometimes this happens when their plane is all shot up.

Offline my game runs very nicely with most of the eye candy turned up. My plane does not stall as often and complex maneuvers flow effortlessly. AI planes are not able to zoom away as fast as I have seen some zoom away online either.

I only play on servers where my ping is very low, usually below 70 or so. I have a good cable connection. My system just does not like online play I guess http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Maybe now is the time to practice offline and wait for the patch. Hopefully things improve on my end for online play in the future http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Breeze147
05-13-2004, 05:53 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gifI feel your pain, brother. There's no way I can play online. I'm just too slow. It's no fun getting your *** handed to you all of the time. I've played other games online and I just get stomped. These guys are just on a different level, I guess. Anyway, offline is more than fun enough for me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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SeaFireLIV
05-13-2004, 06:01 AM
I understand, SodBuster43, those 109s are like rockets. Everyone in them just run off into the darkness above every time you even turn to look at them. Also, a lot of even Rookie LW pilots are now learning these tactics (I remember only the experts use to zoom away once), very hard to get into a real fight with them.

But they are using correct tactics. The only real way to beat them is with one(or several) wingmen and `sandwich them which works quite well.

As for stutter, can`t help there. Could be various reasons for it.

Thankfully, there`s the Offline Campaign which I fly regularly and enjoy a lot (even more than online). I`ve always maintained that there will ALWAYS be a reason for Oleg to keep improving Offline play for reasons such as this. It is a mistake to rely totally on ONline only.

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Bansai Potato
05-13-2004, 06:09 AM
Why dont u guys find some online 'friends' to play with. In fact why dont the two of you pair up, if you operate as a pair you will have a lot more success, with one being able to help the other as soon as things get a bit sticky. I would definitely advise you to join a squadron, a decent squad. will provide you with good training and all sorts of constructive criticism which will make you a better online flyer.

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Breeze147
05-13-2004, 06:15 AM
That is an excellent idea, Bonsai Potato, except that with my erratic schedule, it is almost impossible to be tied into a squadrom meeting at certain specific times nor would I want to disappoint a buddy by not being there when I said I would be. It's a dilemma, I know.

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Snyde-Dastardly
05-13-2004, 06:23 AM
I never fly online. Well I shouldent say that, I do but only Coop with all my buds. But 60% of my time is spent offline building missions and flying em. Enjoy your offline time and work on flying with your wingmen. I myself love it. I fly this sim to fly missions and have objectives,to blow the LW out of the air,not to buzz around shoot at a plane, get splashed,buzz around,,,etc. To much death match for me I played Quake along time ago http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gifDont give up and if I were you I would post your problem in Community Help and Ill bet ya they get ya squared away!
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VW-IceFire
05-13-2004, 06:32 AM
I like to mix my time up. The mission designer system is excellent to make a whole pileload of missions (I intend to release them soonish) and I have alot of fun constructing various scenarios. Some days I feel like dogfighting in the servers and some days I prefer to fly co-ops. Just depends.

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Monty_Thrud
05-13-2004, 07:22 AM
Chin up old boy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif...i've been flying IL2fb since day one, some days are good some days are bad...some people are naturals at virtual flying...some people have to work hard at it, me...i'm just crapp...somedays i couldnt hit a Zeppelin broadside, but my flyings good...somedays i can carve my initials on an enemies wing, just before i get intimate with mother earth http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifMaybe we should form a squadron of crapp pilots(im not saying your crapp btw, sounds like you need a moral boost)...I can see the advert now..."Having problems with Jerry always on your six...NOT ANY MORE...call the CVPSS(CRAPP VIRTUAL PILOTS SUICIDE SQUADRON)...we'll make them die laughing at are ineptitude" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

And if you need a wingman just give me a shout...i'll gladly crash into you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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FLAGRUM_3
05-13-2004, 07:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
Chin up old boy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif...i've been flying IL2fb since day one, some days are good some days are bad...some people are naturals at virtual flying...some people have to work hard at it, me...i'm just crapp...somedays i couldnt hit a Zeppelin broadside, but my flyings good...somedays i can carve my initials on an enemies wing, just before i get intimate with mother earth http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifMaybe we should form a squadron of crapp pilots(im not saying your crapp btw, sounds like you need a moral boost)...I can see the advert now..."Having problems with Jerry always on your six...NOT ANY MORE...call the CVPSS(CRAPP VIRTUAL PILOTS SUICIDE SQUADRON)...we'll make them die laughing at are ineptitude" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

And if you need a wingman just give me a shout...i'll gladly crash into you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Too funny http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

p1ngu666
05-13-2004, 09:40 AM
come find me, im a easy kill :P
some days u rock, some days u suck
yesterday i hit the dirt in a p38 flying like a pleb, yet later i used 2 rounds and sent 2 109's burning to the ground in 4 pieces
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1round, 1 kill http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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F19_Ob
05-13-2004, 11:07 AM
When I started to fly online (in the old days )I got shot down all the time, and on most of those occasions I never saw the enemy. For a while it was so bad I didn't want to go online.....Then in il2 I discovered the wonders of tracks and started to make tracks online and watched them and tried to figure out what I did wrong. I still watch my tracks to get new ideas and variations on tactics.



How is your lookaround routine ?
Some time ago I noticed that my lookaroundroutine was quite bad for an ace( ace= 5 kills) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif.

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My routine is like this.

1 Directly after takeoff ( takeoff as fast as possible) a wide turn and look back+up and watch inside the turn. Back+up gives a better field of view than just looking back and I have a button on my joystick asigned to the upview...so with my left hand I press the up button while the right hand presses the tophat to look back left or right.

2 On my way to the battle area I try to climb to atleast 3000m or more and while climbing I do wide turns and look behind+up and also below me by rolling inverted or almost inverted. German ace G√ľnther Rall often flew cap on 4000m in russia.

3 I circle over the battle area and search through my side window looking down in the turns.

4 If I spot a plane below I check my rear a last time before diving after him.

5 When I climb, after a BnZ attack or just climbing for altitude I turn wide and search my rear and up position and sometimes rollin while looking back+up or up in the climb. After a shot down enemy I try to always make a turn and look behind.

6 same routine when i go home.

7 mostly I do the shortest combatlandings possible With violent s-turns or one single sharp turn to bleed as much speed as possible(no long approaches), sometimes switching off the engine to slow down faster. While doing these violent turns I search my rear. and turn aside to the grass from the runway so other can land.


This is what I "try" to do but I still often forget to. Its easy to do when U see movement in the sky, U tend to be fixated at movement.

Anyway , since I started this lookarounroutine I spot a lot more planes than before and many times in the last second.It really helps. Nowadays I even look behind me during a dogfight quite often ,without losing track of my target.


After a combat I make a climbing turn+ look back+up and then a diving turn in the opposit direction + look back+up. This gives a good view around U.( takes about 4 secs)



I'm still working on to remember the routine and not to get fixated with unimportant objects in view. For example I try not to watch enemyplanes I've shot down too long since they are already finnished. When tired I often forget things..I see that in my tracks.
Many probably forgot in RL too.

LuckyBoy1
05-13-2004, 11:20 AM
As far as your PC problems go, post your diagnosis in the community help forum.

As far as getting your plane to perform correctly, remember, each plane has its strong and weak points. You have to get the other guy to fight the battle your way. This takes brains, unlike offline play. Learn not just your plane and its weak and strong points, but the weak and strong points of the planes you come up against and then... well, think!

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Uber_Numpty
05-13-2004, 11:32 AM
What would happen to all the aces if we don't keep going back to get shot down?

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xTHRUDx
05-13-2004, 11:37 AM
Sod, did you have these problems when you flew on Greater Green?

Diablo310th
05-13-2004, 11:43 AM
Sodbuster..we ahve flown together on WarClouds . your not that bad a pilot. I remembver when i started flying online about a year ago. I felt jsut like you do now. I got my butt busted alot too. You jsut hang in there..listen..study , learn and practice. You'll get better i promise. Joining a squad is an excellent way to learn even faster and more. There are alot of good squads out there that can help you and put a crunch on ur schedule. look into some. Keep coming into WarClouds and getting on TS with us. You'll get better in time trust me.

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SodBuster43
05-13-2004, 11:45 AM
If we ever get some more bombers to play with I will probably go back to flying those. I guess I'm more of a "bus driver" than a "racecar driver" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

SodBuster43
05-13-2004, 11:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xTHRUDx:
Sod, did you have these problems when you flew on Greater Green?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes and no. Sometimes my game runs very well online and other times it fluctuates from good to bad. I think this has something to do with my connection. At times my aircraft just seems to stall with the slightest presssure on the stick. My airspeed has been sufficient and well above stall. Very odd behavior and it forces me to fly in more or less a straight line away from the enemy plane. Sort of like having someone tie your arms to your sides and then proceed to beat you silly. The result of this is I become an easy target.

gates123
05-13-2004, 12:00 PM
Sod,

Use the 110, its just an awesome piece of hardware. The other night I loaded it up with max bomb load and went lone mudmoving on warclouds but asked for escort. Red was highly stacked. Not only did I get escorted by 2 109's but reached the TZ untouched. After hitting 2 cars and an aa with the bombs I made strafing passes on the flak. Got all the flak and took out another 8-10 cars strafing. A small furball insued after red noticed they were losing their ground forces. We lost a few fighters in the area but I was able to clear a few bandits off some teammates and shot down a p-51 using the rear gunner. I got out of there with one smoking engine and two air to air kills. Racked up over 600 points after one sortie and completed the car objectives after the next. Awesome piece of machinery but fighter support is essential. Missions like that online is why I place this sim.

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Did anyone see that or was it just me?

[This message was edited by gates123 on Thu May 13 2004 at 11:29 AM.]

Yum_Yum
05-13-2004, 12:32 PM
Hello SodBuster43 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

I know what you mean.

I too get those same effects and you are not alone. I think it is something to do with the connections or packet loss, or the ISP getting increased traffic, but who knows!

You can't hold the turn without stalling or flipping out. You know you should turn inside the plane you are chasing only to find they are actully getting behind you!. You don't see the enemy who just shot you down. or ...
The joystick may feel like it has a different respose time, or sometimes you move the stick and there is a 0.5 second delay between the joystick and what you seen in game. Sometimes you shoot and you know you should have hit .. but missed, thats the delay thing.
There maybe the occasional 1-2 missing seconds during gamepley, so when you are trying to land you actully land too hard and or crash.

I Don't think its the server or the client, but proberbly a culmination of server demand, Viruses causing more internet traffic, everything and anything.
I put up with it because its not every server and every game.

Hope this make you feel better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SodBuster43
05-13-2004, 12:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yum_Yum:
Hello SodBuster43 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

I know what you mean.

I too get those same effects and you are not alone. I think it is something to do with the connections or packet loss, or the ISP getting increased traffic, but who knows!

You can't hold the turn without stalling or flipping out. You know you should turn inside the plane you are chasing only to find they are actully getting behind you!. You don't see the enemy who just shot you down. or ...
The joystick may feel like it has a different respose time, or sometimes you move the stick and there is a 0.5 second delay between the joystick and what you seen in game. Sometimes you shoot and you know you should have hit .. but missed, thats the delay thing.
There maybe the occasional 1-2 missing seconds during gamepley, so when you are trying to land you actully land too hard and or crash.

I Don't think its the server or the client, but proberbly a culmination of server demand, Viruses causing more internet traffic, everything and anything.
I put up with it because its not every server and every game.

Hope this make you feel better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very similar to what happens to me. Mine seems more extreme than this at times. I can't enter a turn sometimes whithout the plane feeling like it will "flip out" with the slightest twitch of the stick. This is with good airspeed and attitude also. At other times the plane acts like it should and turns very nicely.

Yum_Yum
05-13-2004, 03:29 PM
Yes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I just wanted to share that it is not you, your skill or the way you fly, it is internet related.

Lots of things can be done to reduce lag but sometimes there is little or nothing which can but done except find other servers.

In the past I have used fantastic server for a number of months, but then suddenly game got very bad, I even changed ISP's and informed the server, but nothing could improove game play, so I had to find other server. and again, one of those is now unusable for me.

I like to fly the same plane all the time online or offline. Sometimes when I was online it felt as though the plane had alterd flight characteristics .. or my joystick settings had changed.
As you say, you can be going along quite normally and see another plane to attack, then suddenly it turns into a stall fight/lag fight.

I hope the patch will make it better.
wait till them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SodBuster43
05-13-2004, 03:45 PM
I find I cannot quit playing online. I guess I am hopelessly addicted or a masochist or something http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

SodBuster43
05-13-2004, 05:26 PM
Forget it. It is summer time and time for me to find something else to do.

I just tried another online game and flying my Zeke was about 1200m over a turn fight down low between a couple P-40's and another Zeke.

The two P-40's break off climb and hit my plane. I mean these guys go from a low energy turn fight and come screaming up.

I was about to try and pounce on them while they were chasing the other zeke. Try and catch them after this forget it. They were untouchable. After the first pass they climbed higher turned and came in with pinpoint accuracy. Down goes me in flames.

Oh well, rather than throw the PC out the window time to find something else to do. I need a life.

Old_Canuck
05-13-2004, 06:56 PM
Sorry to hear about these technical troubles you've having, Sodbuster43. I just want to say thanks for the escort online many moons ago. It was very impressive that you would do that for a noob on the same day you're recovering from an operation.

All the best to you S!

OC

"You don't stop playing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop playing."

SodBuster43
05-13-2004, 07:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Old_Canuck:
Sorry to hear about these technical troubles you've having, Sodbuster43. I just want to say thanks for the escort online many moons ago. It was very impressive that you would do that for a noob on the same day you're recovering from an operation.

All the best to you S!

OC

"You don't stop playing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop playing."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh man, surprised you remember that. I have a nice scar from the surgery but everything is better for sure. Just some more battle damage I guess http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[This message was edited by SodBuster43 on Thu May 13 2004 at 06:42 PM.]

repoman11
05-13-2004, 07:33 PM
I'm finding it very hard to compete with those who use teamspeak. It isn't an option for me since I only connect at 28.8K.

And War Clouds attracts some very good players, most better than me.
In amature bicycle racing, you have different categories of competition, so the beginners, and those aren't ever going to be better than mid level, can compete against their peers, rather than having the top few win everything. You can only advance to the next class by having a certain number of top ten finishes in your class.
I'm not sure how you would implement a system like that in online gaming, but it would make for more fun for people to be flying against those with similar skill levels.

Of course, in real life you either got better quickly, or got dead. But RL pilots usually benefitted from a formal flight training class.

I should probably give it up as well, but I don't have anything beter to do.

Andrewsdad
05-13-2004, 07:41 PM
Salute, Sodbuster !!

I too sometimes suffer from the "twitchy fighter" even when trying to fly as smoothly as possible I sometimes find my 109 jerking around and stalling in even the most gentle turn. I think the cure is to drop out of the game and recalibrate your joystick. I have found that for some reason the stick sometimes gives spurious inputs or is just "overresponding". Seems to work for me. Good Luck !!

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Slammin_
05-13-2004, 09:18 PM
Man, you guys would have absolutely loved Mech Warrior 2 and the lag shooting technique you would have had to learn! Really, all the ACE Mech pilots knew to shoot 6 mechs ahead instead of aiming at what you see on your screen.

The Internet and online gaming has come quite a long ways since those days, but it still is not perfect.

I don't feel like I'm in the old MW2 days, where I have to know to lead my target more than I should, but I do know that we are not at that nirvana, over the Internet, that LAN play has either.

I'm just so impressed that stuff don't go 'beep beep', so don't mind me.

SeaFireLIV
05-13-2004, 09:24 PM
Funny you say that,Slammin, i used to be part of a Mech Warrior Clan for a while and the first thing I had to learn was how to Lag shoot! Those were the days! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

WTE_Ibis
05-14-2004, 01:27 AM
It appeared to me as though the online fm
is sometimes different to offline.Is that possible??or would that also be to do with
lag etc.Has anyone else experienced this? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

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JG27_Aristo
05-14-2004, 03:10 AM
sod get up with me sometime and we will do some practicing,and maybe give your pc a troubleshooting.
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