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RinoTheBouncer
06-23-2017, 10:17 PM
After experiencing the E3 Demo of Assassin’s Creed: Origins, among the most notable parts of it was the presence of a map marker titled “Juno Events” alongside others which were titled “Pharaohic Destruction” and "War Elephants”. The first being the most interesting since it involves the main antagonist of the franchise since AC:Brotherhood, Juno, who is strongly related to the present day story of the games and comics.


Since Ubisoft refused to comment on the modern day segment of the games, little is known regarding what it’ll look like, how it’ll might return and in what formula. The only official comment prior to the announcement of Origins was that Ubisoft is working on making a more “robust” modern day experience. Another unrelated comment was that Bayek is the “primary” protagonist and playable character but they also look forward to introducing other playable characters.


In addition to that, we know that among the new features in Assassin’s Creed: Origins is the Animus Pulse, which operates similarly to the the Eagle Vision and it helps scanning the environment and highlighting objects that Bayek can interact with. The title is definitely interesting because it mentions the Animus rather than the Helix. In addition to that, Ubisoft mentioned the Animus in the Game Informer cover story about Assassin’s Creed: Origins. On the other hand, one of the pre-order items of Assassin’s Creed: Origins listed by Supergamer.cz lists a scarf to be given away with some editions of AC:Origins. The scarf partially shows the word HELIX written in the same font as it is in Unity and Syndicate. However, since both devices are mentioned, it remains ambiguous as to if, which and how each of the two devices will be portrayed in the game.


On the other hand, prior to the official announcement of Origins, numerous rumors and supposed leaks have surfaced, some of which focused on two major points, the presence of a modern day protagonist, a modern day segment that is similar to Assassin’s Creed III but with bigger and more detailed missions and another point which is the presence of Time Loops, which were present in Assassin’s Creed: Unity and Syndicate where the game would switch to a whole new time period in the same location and showcase different key moments in history. There were also rumors which mentioned the existence of playable female character, as well as the presence of an upgraded version of the Animus.


The multiple rumors mentioned different time which are Time Loops in Assassin’s Creed: Origins. "game has smaller segments that take place in different times”. Among those time periods were during the times of Moses and that the conflict has to with the Piece of Eden responsible for the parting of the Red Sea, The Staff of Eden, others reported Napoleonic Wars as well as sometime around the year 2400 BCE. However, in an interview with Eurogamer, director Ashraf Ismail stated that there won’t be any time anomalies, but there will be “exotic moments” without offering any further explanation as to how they will differ from Time Anomalies and what they’ll offer.


By gathering the information above, we can make some educated guesses and speculations:


Juno Events: the fact that Juno is mentioned proves that she’s still part of the overarching narrative in some shape or form. The fate of The Phoenix Project remains unknown to this point since the story is still progressing with the Uprising comic series. It is worth mentioning that back in Unity, it was reported that Abstergo aims to complete the sequencing of the Homo Sapiens Divinus (First Civilization/Isu) DNA by the year 2018. Since Juno is mentioning in Origins, it could likely mean that The Phoenix Project either succeeded and will feature Juno taking over a new body hence the search for the Juno Events within the Animus.


It remains unknown how the Juno Events will play out. It could be something similar to Assassin’s Creed: Syndicate’s WWI Time Loop where Juno speaks to the user after finishing a certain quest. This is likely since Time Loops are rumored to be in Origins, or it might mean that the entire loops will focus on Juno’s story, either by showing her interactions with the Ancient Egyptian empires at key moments in history or by going all the way back to the Isu era in specific Time Loops.


Modern Day: based on the information above, it is likely that there will be modern day in one shape or form especially that the game officially mentions an Animus Pulse feature, meaning that we’re inside an Animus rather than a Helix. The comments regarding having another playable character as well as the rumors/leaks that mention the modern day segment being similar to Assassin’s Creed III, but bigger. If we speculate that the other playable character is a modern day protagonist, there are multiple theories I can make regarding the identity of our modern day protagonist:


1. The first option would be Desmond’s Son (this can be argued both with and against as Desmond’s son is being introduced in the Uprising comics. On the other hand, despite early speculation that Bayek is an ancestor of Desmond due to the scar on his lips and the similarity in his facial structures to multiple ancestors of Desmond, director Ashraf Ismail stated that Bayek is not part of Desmond’s lineage),


2. The second could be someone from the modern day Assassins from the Uprising comics (Galina Voronina or Charlotte de la Cruz) since those were being shaped up to be important characters, especially the former who was introduced on Assassin’s Creed: Iniitates, and the others who became new heroes to the franchise with huge roles to play in The Phoenix Project.


3. The third option would be an entirely new character whom we’ve never met before. Of course, there are multiple characters who are mentioned in the narrative whom we never got to meet yet. There’s a constant mention of “Eve” in various points of Assassin’s Creed history, whom we’re told to “find”. Another interesting point is that in The Hawk Trilogy, which is set in Egypt, there’s a Templar agent known as Leila who came in contact with the Scepter of Aset and she was involved with Egyptian Assassin Numa Al’Khamsin and had a child with him whose descendants are Jonathan Hawk and Vernon Hest, a non-canonical modern day Assassin and Templar, respectively.


While the only connection between these characters and Origins is the fact that they’re in Egypt, what makes their lineage interesting is the speculation of Origins featuring multiple Time Loops that will show various eras of Egypt’s history and the official word of “multiple playable characters” in the game, in addition to Bayek who is the primary one. It must also be noted that there’s a modern day Abstergo employee named Leila Marino who disappeared under mysterious circumstances in 2007 and she was reported dead with her death being classified by Abstergo. Lucy Stillman tried to reach her, but to no avail. She was later informed by Warren Vidic that she committed suicide due to her partner whom he called “Neumann”. Yet Lucy was later told not to “dip her pen in company ink”. The similarities between the names Leila and Numa and Leila Marino and Neumann makes them interesting as Assassin’s Creed is known to repeat names or the faces of related characters throughout its games, such as Eve, for example who is mentioned multiple times since ACII, Brotherhood, Liberation, Unity DLC - Dead Kings in addition to the comics.


This leaves us with more questions. The first question is: If Assassin’s Creed: Origins is to feature a modern day segment, where exactly will it take place? could it be modern day Egypt? we must remember that both Assassin’s Creed II and Brotherhood featured an Italian Assassin in Italy with the modern day taking place in modern day Monteriggioni, while Assassin’s Creed III featured a Native American Assassin in America, with the modern day taking place in modern day United States of America. While both Assassin’s Creed: Unity and Syndicate lacked any form of playable modern day, Bishop in Unity, which takes place in Revolutionary France, reported the destruction of an Abstergo facility by the Assassins, in Paris, France while Syndicate had the modern day Assassins search for the Shroud of Eden in London, UK in parallel with the historical segments explored in the game which take place in Industrial London.


The second question is: if we presume that the modern day is in modern day Egypt, we can also expect that either an modern day Assassin we know could be the protagonist of the modern day segment, or it could be someone entirely new which could most likely be an modern day Egyptian Assassin or Templar. If the rumors about the playable female character are true, then we could be playing as an modern day Egyptian female character, who can both of an Assassin or a Templar searching for something in ancient history.


If we go back to the Assassin’s Creed: Origins E3 demo, there’s a girl named Shadya, which is an Arabic name that is quite common in Egypt today. When user Assassin_M asked director Ashraf Ismail on Twitter about the presence of an Arabic name in Ancient Egypt, his response was: “all the names are from the area or derived from names that we have info on existing during this time”. It must also be noted that the name Leila is an Arabic name as well, and is also common in modern day Egypt. Of course, there are countless names that can be used for an Egyptian character, male or female, but since Assassin’s Creed is known for repeating names throughout history and games, and if the rumors and assumptions are true, the protagonist could be called Shadya or Leila. If it’s the latter, it could either be a new character or even the very same Leila Marino who was reportedly dead in 2007. She might have been alive but Abstergo covered that for some reason, such as getting involved with Neumann who can possibly be an Assassin. It must also be noted that there’s an Arabic male name “Nu’maan” and since Arabic uses different alphabet, it could be written in different ways in English, such as Numan, Noman or even Neumann, creating a parallel with the historical counterparts Leila and Numa, an Egyptian Templar agent and an Assassin.


Now regarding the Animus and the Helix. We could be dealing with an upgraded version of each device. The Animus is a device where the subject has to be present to relive the genetic memories of a specific subject. In the earlier version of the Animus, the subject had to be present for the Animus to work and read his/her genetic memories. Later, the Animus evolved to require only a sample of the genetic material of the subject. Eventually, with Animus Omega and Brahman V.R., the Animus is now able to explore the genetic memories of a specific subject that have already been recorded into the Abstergo Cloud, without the need for a subject or their DNA to be present during memory viewing sessions.


As for the Helix, it’s a gaming console that uses pre-recorded genetic memories without the need for a sample or a subject to be present and it’s produced by Abstergo as an entertainment device with propaganda based narration of Assassin and Templar stories. It evolved from the Data Dump Scanner, which works in a very similar manner and relies on pre-recorded genetic memories, as well as the Animus interface.


As we can see, the Helix evolved from the Animus as a commercial product, while the Animus remains the most raw and efficient method of genetic memory extraction. In a Q&A on Reddit, Assassin’s Creed Head of Content, Aymar Azaïzia stated the following regarding the differences between each Animus type: “The “chair version”, are safest, and if you want the full lenght theory on Animus, brace yourself.When you are getting into an Animus machine, the way the time goes depends on how close you are to your ancestor. If you are using Helix and someone else memory, the timescale is 1:1.


So if you want to dig and information but have no idea when it happened, it could take you months or years in the Animus, that’s why Abstergo is usually using Helix with masses, to process tons of data at once.If you are in direct line, time could flies and a couple of hours in the simulation could allow you to process weeks of memories.


The chair vs. standing versions are about allowing you, or even forcing you (with the arm), to sync and remain on sync with your ancestor. A way to guarantee that the subject will be efficient quickly, but the chances of triggering a bleeding effect, and hurting the psyche of a subject increases accordingly. Therefore seeing Abstergo pushing people because they are rushed, not caring about frying their brain, and having a post trauma process in place seemed to work well for us.”


Based on that, now we have a clear idea about how each type of Animus works and that the use of an Animus that could still require genetic memory and even a subject with a direct link the lineage is still needed despite the evolution of a more advanced kind that relies on pre-recorded memories or mere samples of a subject’s DNA.


Assassin’s Creed: Origins could feature any type of Animus depending on the modern day protagonist and their allegiance or by what means they’re able to relive the memories and also for what purpose, a game? research for Abstergo? the Assassins?


The protagonist could be an Assassin or a Templar in a race against time to reach a specific Piece of Eden, which is likely the Staff, the Ankh or the Scepter of Aset, since those are the closest POEs to Egyptian history and mythology. So the protagonist might be setting up camp inside one of the Egyptian temples or Pyramids similarly to how Monteriggioni was a hideout for the Assassins in AC:Brotherhood, or perhaps even a newly discovered Templar or historical sight where they use the Animus whether it’s a chair version, a standing version, a VR device (similar to Brahman) or a new version which can be bring the best features of all kinds and they could possibly even utilize genetic material from samples found underground in mummified corpses.


In conclusion, while the over-arching narrative of Assassin’s Creed: Origins remains shrouded in mystery and the modern day story is rarely explored in any of the promotional campaigns prior to the game’s launch, we can still attempt to make educated guess from numerous loose ends left here and there in the franchise’s numerous forms, which is a huge part of the fun with analyzing the Assassin’s Creed lore.

What do you think? share your thoughts with me!

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wvstolzing
06-23-2017, 10:35 PM
The scarf partially shows the word HELIX written in the same font as it is in Unity and Syndicate.

Bummer; I was hoping that the 'Helix' would be gone for good.

Though, in the beginning of the Uprising comics, Charlotte is using a Helix at her home, before she's contacted by the Assassins, and eventually gets strapped to an Animus. Perhaps there'll be a similar transition in-game?

cawatrooper9
06-23-2017, 10:45 PM
I'd prefer to have the Animus back, but I'm not too worried yet. I also don't want them to completely abandon the concept of the Helix, as I think retconning and abandoning plotlines is one of the biggest weaknesses of the series. If we get the Animus back but the Helix is mentioned, that would be ideal.

RinoTheBouncer
06-24-2017, 12:50 AM
Bummer; I was hoping that the 'Helix' would be gone for good.

Though, in the beginning of the Uprising comics, Charlotte is using a Helix at her home, before she's contacted by the Assassins, and eventually gets strapped to an Animus. Perhaps there'll be a similar transition in-game?
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There's one interesting thing about origins is that there's an Animus Pulse in AC:O, which means we're likely using an Animus. What the HELIX has to do with the game to be on merchandise remains to be seen. Perhaps we'll encounter more than one modern day character?


I'd prefer to have the Animus back, but I'm not too worried yet. I also don't want them to completely abandon the concept of the Helix, as I think retconning and abandoning plotlines is one of the biggest weaknesses of the series. If we get the Animus back but the Helix is mentioned, that would be ideal.

I honestly would like to have the Animus back with some mention to the Helix or to use the Helix but be able to leave it and explore the modern day world in 3rd person.

ze_topazio
06-24-2017, 01:09 AM
Fantastic read like always Rino, the passion you have for this never ceases to amaze me.

RA503
06-24-2017, 03:10 AM
I think if Modern Day part will be prequel as well,because of that we have Animus .

Sorrosyss
06-24-2017, 05:34 PM
As at this time, we have two unannounced DLC expansion packs for Origins. We also have developers who do not wish to talk about Modern Day at this time. Could it be because that such an announcement on Modern Day will be that it is in fact a paid DLC?

Its something that I have brought up before, but it really needs saying again. From the very original Assassin's Creed, the Modern Day has remained a part of the overarching story. For those of us who have followed the franchise since the beginning, it has been fundamental in deciding where we go within the historical eras, as the hunt for the Pieces of Eden escalated by both Abstergo and the Assassins.

However, not everyone enjoyed the modern day story. For many, it felt as if you had been torn away from the fun historical sections, to frankly, stand around talking as Desmond. Following AC3, we lost the 3rd person protagonist entirely and took on the new role of playing as ourselves within AC4. Again here though, many players did not enjoy playing a faceless, voiceless entity. Things went even further within Unity and Syndicate where we were reduced to merely cutscenes, in a completely passive experience.

The reduction in the Modern Day relevance has been gradual, but it is apparent to many long term fans that they miss what came before. Throughout the net I see polls on fansites, where fans appear to overwhelmingly support the return to a third person protagonist, such as this one that went around social media.

http://i.imgur.com/WnywXV3.png

[http://www.poll-maker.com/poll329854xf52F4892-12]

But herein lies the issue now. We have had 9 major game releases, as well as about 13 other games (Bloodlines, Identity etc), filled with storyline now. If you are a new player to the franchise wanting to enjoy the latest release, how on earth does Ubisoft balance the Modern Day story to cater for these people with no prior narrative knowledge? We can't really expect players to sit through a 15 minute recap each time.

To summarise then, Ubisoft needs to balance across several groups of players now for future titles;

- Those who love the Modern Day and want a third person character back.
- Those who hate the Modern Day and want it removed.
- Those who are happy playing as themselves, and wants things to stay as they are.
- New players who have no knowledge of the previous storyline.

On reflection, this is a very difficult situation for them to balance now. If they add in a massive amount of playable Modern Day, or add an entire sequel around it they risk alienating a portion of the existing player base, as well as newcomers. After all, the Assassin's Creed franchise is very much known for its historical tourism now, and such a release would inevitably draw comparisons with the much derided Watch Dogs. Some people have suggested that we make the Modern Day sections optional, but from Ubisoft's standpoint I can see that as being undesirable - do you really want to spend time and resources on a section that alot of players may not even participate in? Doing so would naturally reduce the length of the historical section as well.

http://i.imgur.com/hml9kAD.png

If Ubisoft will continue to make the historical portion of the main releases the primary focus, the Modern Day will not have to become part of the equation if it is repackaged as the DLC. People have often suggested to make it optional so think about it - a DLC gives players the option of partaking in the Modern Day portion entirely by their own volition, but not impacting or affecting those who purely want to play their main historical storyline. In turn, it does not expose Ubisoft to the risk factors of damaging the franchise reputation by including too much Modern Day to the main release. In the grand scheme of things, the DLCs Freedom Cry, Dead Kings and Jack The Ripper did not really add that much to the historical stories, and were very much self contained. If we were to instead replace them with playable Modern Day stories, with a 3rd person protagonist such as playing as Charlotte or Galina, it would allow the Modern Day story to once more be properly told to those who want to experience it. With the pressures placed on Origins to succeed, any playable Modern Day sections may well be just standalone short missions. But with a fully dedicated DLC, we could have its own dedicated playable area as we saw in Dead Kings, and really let the storytelling shine.

http://i.imgur.com/evWThVn.png

I appreciate many fans have an aversion to paying for DLC, but those of us who enjoy the Modern Day stories have often resorted to purchasing the recent comics and books that embellish the timeline anyway, such as the Titan Comics. In the end, we are already spending money on the narrative, and in my view I would much rather spend the same money on a proper playable Modern Day DLC and experience it as we once did, rather than through the tertiary expanded universe. Let us not forget that we have had a Modern Day DLC before, in AC Revelations. The Lost Archive was very much focused on the themes of the Modern Day, and both explored and added to the existing lore. As such, there is a precedent for such a DLC. Given the obvious desire from a substantial amount of the player base for the Modern Day to return, it makes sense to me as a possible solution to give all of the playerbase what they desire.

Would you pay for a standalone Modern Day DLC for Origins?

SHADOWGARVIN
06-24-2017, 05:41 PM
I've always been a fan of the modern day and I hope that they bring it back, but not as a DLC. I want it to be a part of the main game. Do the modern day like it was in the first AC games. Make it a part of the main story and not an afterthought.

pirate1802
06-24-2017, 05:47 PM
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crusader_prophet
06-24-2017, 05:53 PM
I will honestly abandon ship if the present day or modern day becomes an ancillary component of the franchise, although some could argue it always has been this way. But to make it that obvious and supply it as some fodder to appease the lore hungry fans will be the end of it for me. For me the modern day is context and purpose of why I am doing what I am doing in the historical segment. It is what brought me to AC franchise in the beginning, the overarching plot driving the historical segments not the other way around.

Rugterwyper32
06-24-2017, 06:59 PM
I will honestly abandon ship if the present day or modern day becomes an ancillary component of the franchise, although some could argue it always has been this way. But to make it that obvious and supply it as some fodder to appease the lore hungry fans will be the end of it for me. For me the modern day is context and purpose of why I am doing what I am doing in the historical segment. It is what brought me to AC franchise in the beginning, the overarching plot driving the historical segments not the other way around.

As it turns out, it's totally the opposite for me. I didn't even know about that when I first got AC1 and while I'll keep saying I like the idea of the animus as a framing device, the rest honestly doesn't grab me. The historical element is what brought me in, and I'm on the boat of the less modern day the better.

So no, I wouldn't get the DLC simply on the basis that I'm just not interested in modern day. I can see where the argument here comes from, though, and I'm personally of the opinion that I should be able to skip that and get back into the historical parts even if that means I have to press "Ok" to an obnoxious message telling me I'm missing a "key part of the storyline" or whatever. Let me just turn around and just have the game tell me "are you sure you want to skip this? You'll be missing important info for the modern day storyline". YES. Yes I'm sure, let me miss it. Let people keep their modern day, let me totally ignore it.

wvstolzing
06-24-2017, 07:14 PM
That would be a disaster. The relevance of the historical adventure becomes intelligible through the MD sections -- although it was pathetically minimal, even Unity's MD served as a kind of framing device. The point of the historical adventure is always to recover some object, some bit of knowledge, of which the significance eludes the historical characters themselves (remember Ezio's 'retirement' remarks in Masyaf); without MD, that significance would elude the real world players as well.

Also, its popularity amond players shouldn't even be an issue. It's not that big of a distraction to reduce anyone's enjoyment in the historical adventure either. (No it's not; if anyone insists otherwise, it's probably because they have other problems with their attention span.) People don't bother upgrading equipment, or even play any side missions either -- so should all those become paid DLC? Where do we stop, then, before converting into a F2P model? I'm sure the idea makes mouths water in board rooms, but it's disastrous from a player's perspective.

AnimusLover
06-24-2017, 07:14 PM
I will honestly abandon ship if the present day or modern day becomes an ancillary component of the franchise, although some could argue it always has been this way. But to make it that obvious and supply it as some fodder to appease the lore hungry fans will be the end of it for me. For me the modern day is context and purpose of why I am doing what I am doing in the historical segment. It is what brought me to AC franchise in the beginning, the overarching plot driving the historical segments not the other way around.

I feel like they abandoned modern day just as it got interesting. Desmond killing Lucy was a great twist and then they put the whole story on hold in Revelations until ACIII when they just killed it altogether. The Juno story should have been wrapped up ages ago with a new set of modern day protagonists and story following shortly after.

dxsxhxcx
06-24-2017, 07:34 PM
NO! I would rather see it gone than have to pay for it. Even if it happened I believe having the Modern Days as a separate mode from the main game would change the way they tell the story, IMO not in a good way.

RinoTheBouncer
06-24-2017, 07:39 PM
Fantastic read like always Rino, the passion you have for this never ceases to amaze me.
Thanks a lot, my friend. I'm glad you like it. Thanks for your ongoing support.


I think if Modern Day part will be prequel as well,because of that we have Animus .

I think it's a very interesting idea to see the modern day going back to Subject 16's times. It's definitely intriguing to be quite honest.

crusader_prophet
06-24-2017, 07:55 PM
People acting like the modern day is irrelevant, you fail hard to see that without that piece there is no AC. It's just another historical simulator and the franchise might as well be put to bed. To me, both aspects of the game is equally important, both modern day and historical segment. Them combined is what makes the series intriguing, or I might just as well go play another historical or fantasy game. and not bother about this series because honestly without the overarching narrative arc of the ancient struggle between templars and assassins, the political and ideological impasse of the two sects and a visit to the past to gain context to that struggle with a deep rooted origin back to the Isu era is what makes this series great. Not standalone historical tourisms. There are many pretty looking games out there with better gameplay. Without the mysticism of the lore, there is nothing in AC series that actually tethers me to it.


I feel like they abandoned modern day just as it got interesting. Desmond killing Lucy was a great twist and then they put the whole story on hold in Revelations until ACIII when they just killed it altogether. The Juno story should have been wrapped up ages ago with a new set of modern day protagonists and story following shortly after.

No argument there. The company has been greedy and taken advantage of the gamers to make more money off us by spreading out actual content over multiple games without much progression. This was their pathetic business practice.

ze_topazio
06-24-2017, 08:18 PM
Rino, what do you think of the fact that Origins makes the possibility of a game in ancient Mesopotamia very unlikely? sure, they can make it, Ashraf confirmed Assassins already existed before Bayek, they simply were not organized, but a game without the Brotherhood seems unlikely, maybe they should have made the origins of the Brotherhood in a more remote period.

Helforsite
06-24-2017, 08:26 PM
I absolutely love the lore and Modern Day of Assassin's Creed, so I would obviously pay for a MD DLC, but I would definitely prefer it being in the main game.
The main reasons for this are the following:
1.The successful integration of that MD DLC into the main game, without feeling weird and out of place, is very tricky while also maintaining a coherent and interesting MD narrative imo.
2.It speaks to Ubisoft's commitment to the MD very negatively
3.It would significantly hinder new fans from getting into the lore and MD aspect of Assassin's Creed.

Elder-Kalakta
06-24-2017, 08:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POU9LNNJmpI

I hope she shows up in some way. They planned to reveal her name in Syndicate but they chose to save it for a later time. I am really curious about the character and hope we learn at least something.

wvstolzing
06-24-2017, 08:58 PM
She might have her spin-off series. Maybe in the vein of this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDnE-5lD7w8

HDinHB
06-24-2017, 09:48 PM
I don't really care about Bishop at this point. Of all the characters I would like to see again, she would be near the bottom of the list.

Megas_Doux
06-24-2017, 09:51 PM
Rino, what do you think of the fact that Origins makes the possibility of a game in ancient Mesopotamia very unlikely? sure, they can make it, Ashraf confirmed Assassins already existed before Bayek, they simply were not organized, but a game without the Brotherhood seems unlikely, maybe they should have made the origins of the Brotherhood in a more remote period.

Another fan of the Ancient Mesopotamia (Assyria, Sumer, Babylon) setting here....And well, I do think the very promise of Origins kinda buries the possibility of a game there.

wvstolzing
06-24-2017, 10:07 PM
Bluntly speaking, they're really unlikely to go to locations/eras that don't have historical 'rockstars' that already have a well-romanticized place in the public imagination. From a historical/archeological/anthropological standpoint, a location/era doesn't get any more interesting than that of Sumer -- but there are no non-mythical historical celebrities on which to build the intrigues, conspiracies, etc., basically all the soap-opera stuff.

Ashraf did mention in one of the interviews that they considered going back to the building of the first Pyramids; IIRC, his account as to why the idea was dropped was that there wasn't much to do, cities to roam, etc. back then. (Which, would already be like 1500 years after Sumerians invented writing.) I mean, we could all marvel at the construction of the Pyramids, but they have to mass-market a sci-fi conspiracy soap opera as well.

pacmanate
06-24-2017, 10:48 PM
I don't understand how Desmond's son is a Sage. Sages or reincarnations of Aita right?

So how come we have John and Desmond both being the same person at the same time?

pacmanate
06-24-2017, 10:51 PM
She was a boring character anyway. No personality at all, just a conduit for Modern Day to be "Viable" the past 2 games.

wvstolzing
06-24-2017, 10:54 PM
If I understand things right, a 'Sage' is like a genetic time bomb that can occur once for every n persons. They really aren't 'the same person', but clones of the same person; so they can show up at the same time. (I believe Thom Kavanagh was a contemporary (? maybe ?) of Bart Roberts in AC4)

(So there's no 'reincarnation', or shared 'soul'; just clones with Aita's memories popping up here and there.)

Actually it is plausible for Desmond to have a son that's a 'Sage', because he's from a lineage with high mixture of BS-triple-helix-DNA.

pacmanate
06-24-2017, 11:00 PM
Same person as reincarnations of the same person...

Also true about Kavanagh...

Gonna be weird seeing Juno get it on with Desmonds young Son but hey. Things have been weirder.

VoldR
06-25-2017, 02:46 AM
If there's any dlc, I want it like in AC2 or Brotherhood, forgot which. It's about Leonardo.

Free unlocking with uplay points.

ACDumi911
06-25-2017, 10:53 AM
I'm totally agree with you. It's the smartest way to implement depth modern day. Perhaps, some peoples will be enjoy it and start appreciate this part of AC.

RinoTheBouncer
06-25-2017, 05:41 PM
As at this time, we have two unannounced DLC expansion packs for Origins. We also have developers who do not wish to talk about Modern Day at this time. Could it be because that such an announcement on Modern Day will be that it is in fact a paid DLC?

Its something that I have brought up before, but it really needs saying again. From the very original Assassin's Creed, the Modern Day has remained a part of the overarching story. For those of us who have followed the franchise since the beginning, it has been fundamental in deciding where we go within the historical eras, as the hunt for the Pieces of Eden escalated by both Abstergo and the Assassins.

However, not everyone enjoyed the modern day story. For many, it felt as if you had been torn away from the fun historical sections, to frankly, stand around talking as Desmond. Following AC3, we lost the 3rd person protagonist entirely and took on the new role of playing as ourselves within AC4. Again here though, many players did not enjoy playing a faceless, voiceless entity. Things went even further within Unity and Syndicate where we were reduced to merely cutscenes, in a completely passive experience.

The reduction in the Modern Day relevance has been gradual, but it is apparent to many long term fans that they miss what came before. Throughout the net I see polls on fansites, where fans appear to overwhelmingly support the return to a third person protagonist, such as this one that went around social media.

http://i.imgur.com/WnywXV3.png

[http://www.poll-maker.com/poll329854xf52F4892-12]

But herein lies the issue now. We have had 9 major game releases, as well as about 13 other games (Bloodlines, Identity etc), filled with storyline now. If you are a new player to the franchise wanting to enjoy the latest release, how on earth does Ubisoft balance the Modern Day story to cater for these people with no prior narrative knowledge? We can't really expect players to sit through a 15 minute recap each time.

To summarise then, Ubisoft needs to balance across several groups of players now for future titles;

- Those who love the Modern Day and want a third person character back.
- Those who hate the Modern Day and want it removed.
- Those who are happy playing as themselves, and wants things to stay as they are.
- New players who have no knowledge of the previous storyline.

On reflection, this is a very difficult situation for them to balance now. If they add in a massive amount of playable Modern Day, or add an entire sequel around it they risk alienating a portion of the existing player base, as well as newcomers. After all, the Assassin's Creed franchise is very much known for its historical tourism now, and such a release would inevitably draw comparisons with the much derided Watch Dogs. Some people have suggested that we make the Modern Day sections optional, but from Ubisoft's standpoint I can see that as being undesirable - do you really want to spend time and resources on a section that alot of players may not even participate in? Doing so would naturally reduce the length of the historical section as well.

http://i.imgur.com/hml9kAD.png

If Ubisoft will continue to make the historical portion of the main releases the primary focus, the Modern Day will not have to become part of the equation if it is repackaged as the DLC. People have often suggested to make it optional so think about it - a DLC gives players the option of partaking in the Modern Day portion entirely by their own volition, but not impacting or affecting those who purely want to play their main historical storyline. In turn, it does not expose Ubisoft to the risk factors of damaging the franchise reputation by including too much Modern Day to the main release. In the grand scheme of things, the DLCs Freedom Cry, Dead Kings and Jack The Ripper did not really add that much to the historical stories, and were very much self contained. If we were to instead replace them with playable Modern Day stories, with a 3rd person protagonist such as playing as Charlotte or Galina, it would allow the Modern Day story to once more be properly told to those who want to experience it. With the pressures placed on Origins to succeed, any playable Modern Day sections may well be just standalone short missions. But with a fully dedicated DLC, we could have its own dedicated playable area as we saw in Dead Kings, and really let the storytelling shine.

http://i.imgur.com/evWThVn.png

I appreciate many fans have an aversion to paying for DLC, but those of us who enjoy the Modern Day stories have often resorted to purchasing the recent comics and books that embellish the timeline anyway, such as the Titan Comics. In the end, we are already spending money on the narrative, and in my view I would much rather spend the same money on a proper playable Modern Day DLC and experience it as we once did, rather than through the tertiary expanded universe. Let us not forget that we have had a Modern Day DLC before, in AC Revelations. The Lost Archive was very much focused on the themes of the Modern Day, and both explored and added to the existing lore. As such, there is a precedent for such a DLC. Given the obvious desire from a substantial amount of the player base for the Modern Day to return, it makes sense to me as a possible solution to give all of the playerbase what they desire.

Would you pay for a standalone Modern Day DLC for Origins?

Honestly a DLC in modern day that is well-made and feels very important is a big YES for me. While I always wanted the modern day to be part of the main game because it's always been a main game element and the main reason why we get into the Animus to begin with, if it's a resources issue, then I'm ready to back that project up. I'd pay 20, 25, 30 or even 50$ for a season pass that adds a proper modern day experience that ties itself into the story. On the other hand, I believe that the DLC could be set somewhere in Greece or Rome, because so far, most of the rumors about AC:O have been true, and one of the earliest ones was the fact that you could sail to Greece and Rome. So maybe that's where we're going?

Thanks for sharing your brilliant thoughts, as always.



Rino, what do you think of the fact that Origins makes the possibility of a game in ancient Mesopotamia very unlikely? sure, they can make it, Ashraf confirmed Assassins already existed before Bayek, they simply were not organized, but a game without the Brotherhood seems unlikely, maybe they should have made the origins of the Brotherhood in a more remote period.

I think it can be possible to visit Ancient Iraq by going to Babylon which existed roughly around the time of AC:Origins and we could have some small segments set in ancient Sumer for key moments. It would be very interesting as Babylon is much less ancient than Sumer, meaning there's more recorded stories about it and it's closer to the inception of the Brotherhood in its current form and also very diverse in its scenery and architecture...etc.

It would definitely be disappointing never having to visit Sumer ever, but if Babylon is the substitute, then I'm game!


I don't understand how Desmond's son is a Sage. Sages or reincarnations of Aita right?

So how come we have John and Desmond both being the same person at the same time?

A Sage can coexist with another Sage at the same time. It can also be something like a dormant trait that can be awakened early or later in a person's age. For example, I can turn 50 and then "awaken" as a Sage.

pacmanate
06-25-2017, 06:01 PM
What if Desmond's Son awakens and then starts dating Juno?!

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

RA503
06-25-2017, 06:28 PM
Based on the comics,I pretty sure that the game will end with Juno regaining his fisical body ( I found this a total stupidy Idea, since this made her being easy to kill,what setups for a conclusion worst tham AC 3 ).

PlunderBunker
06-25-2017, 06:45 PM
Based on the comics,I pretty sure that the game will end with Juno regaining his fisical body ( I found this a total stupidy Idea, since this made her being easy to kill,what setups for a conclusion worst tham AC 3 ).

She won't just be "alone" when she returns you know? :P She will have her backup, her fellow Instruments and of course Aita. And if that isn't enough, she probably will wield a few Pieces of Eden (always wanted her to have the Shroud of Eden on her back and maybe the Trident of Eden in one hand or something) She won't be easy to kill, no way.

RA503
06-25-2017, 07:15 PM
I don't have so much idea of how will be the MD of Origins but I have a idea for the next one .

if rumor is true that the next game will be on Greece, will be be rightly probably that the Piece of Eden will be the Antikythera Mechanism, : http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism (is pretty obvious that Origin's one is The Ankh not much mind breaking here ).

This mean that the next game will deal with alternate realities what is suppose to be AC 3, Syndicate writter said in a interview .

But,I have to put some more tough to see how the plot of the next game will retroative influence Origin's plot .

Helforsite
06-25-2017, 07:19 PM
"Neumann" is among the 20 most common surnames here in Germany, so Its pretty certain that Neumann is just some dude and not meant to be a hint towards "Numa". Not to mention that I don't think they wanna borrow from the French Comics.

wvstolzing
06-25-2017, 07:33 PM
"Neumann" is among the 20 most common surnames here in Germany, so Its pretty certain that Neumann is just some dude and not meant to be a hint towards "Numa". Not to mention that I don't think they wanna borrow from the French Comics.

Aha ... but what if it's THIS NEUMANN???

https://media.giphy.com/media/c8YC8htf5YQg0/giphy.gif

On a more serious note, it's been confirmed that the Deux Royaumes comics are entirely off-canon now. (Sorrosyss posted a twitter link recently.)

Megas_Doux
06-25-2017, 07:47 PM
Aha ... but what if it's THIS NEUMANN???

https://media.giphy.com/media/c8YC8htf5YQg0/giphy.gif

On a more serious note, it's been confirmed that the Deux Royaumes comics are entirely off-canon now. (Sorrosyss posted a twitter link recently.)

LOL Neuman!!!

Source about the french comics.

wvstolzing
06-25-2017, 07:51 PM
Source about the french comics.

Here it is - http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1689569-How-did-some-Isu-survive-well-past-the-Toba-Catastrophe?p=12718199&viewfull=1#post12718199

Megas_Doux
06-25-2017, 09:35 PM
Here it is - http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1689569-How-did-some-Isu-survive-well-past-the-Toba-Catastrophe?p=12718199&viewfull=1#post12718199



I see, thanks bro!!!

As I've always said, if transmedia gets in the way of the main core of the franchise, the games, kill it. There was some good stuff there, but "compromising" a game because of some relatively unknown comics???? Nah!

VoldR
06-26-2017, 02:43 AM
She won't just be "alone" when she returns you know? :P She will have her backup, her fellow Instruments and of course Aita. And if that isn't enough, she probably will wield a few Pieces of Eden (always wanted her to have the Shroud of Eden on her back and maybe the Trident of Eden in one hand or something) She won't be easy to kill, no way.

I hope it's not merely a boss fight.

Maybe like ME2
How we prepare will have different results. Oo

Choices in the modern part

PlunderBunker
06-26-2017, 04:45 AM
I hope it's not merely a boss fight.

Maybe like ME2
How we prepare will have different results. Oo

Choices in the modern part

It probably won't be a boss fight straight away. We'll see her in some cutscenes ordering people about etc and then we'lll fight but she won't go down that easily.. It's not gonna be as simple as "kill target" and she'll fall over dead lol. I've got a feeling we're going to fight some of her backup too.

Hmm maybe :)

wvstolzing
06-26-2017, 11:41 AM
I didn't really know where exactly to put this, but someone on reddit claims to have received this email from EB Games:

(some screenshots - with POTENTIAL SPOILERS)

(Huge png)
http://i.imgur.com/yWWehnx.png


see also:
https://imgur.com/a/IXkVx
https://imgur.com/a/ZJ91Q

where I got this from:
https://www.reddit.com/r/assassinscreed/comments/6jjsjz/origins_is_this_information_about_the_shroud_new/

I mean, if true, this is momentous; though the supposed 'Abstergo Employee' text looks very odd -- besides, why would they put something like that on a preorder ad? And why is the Animus version so old?

Has anyone else got an email like this?

RinoTheBouncer
06-26-2017, 01:25 PM
I didn't really know where exactly to put this, but someone on reddit claims to have received this email from EB Games:

(some screenshots - with POTENTIAL SPOILERS)

(Huge png)
http://i.imgur.com/yWWehnx.png


see also:
https://imgur.com/a/IXkVx
https://imgur.com/a/ZJ91Q

where I got this from:
https://www.reddit.com/r/assassinscreed/comments/6jjsjz/origins_is_this_information_about_the_shroud_new/

I mean, if true, this is momentous; though the supposed 'Abstergo Employee' text looks very odd -- besides, why would they put something like that on a preorder ad? And why is the Animus version so old?

Has anyone else got an email like this?

Thanks for sharing. I've put some theories regarding this discovery, here (http://thecodex.network/shroud-of-eden-located-in-bayeks-memories/).

cawatrooper9
06-26-2017, 05:29 PM
I didn't really know where exactly to put this, but someone on reddit claims to have received this email from EB Games:

(some screenshots - with POTENTIAL SPOILERS)

(Huge png)
http://i.imgur.com/yWWehnx.png


see also:
https://imgur.com/a/IXkVx
https://imgur.com/a/ZJ91Q

where I got this from:
https://www.reddit.com/r/assassinscreed/comments/6jjsjz/origins_is_this_information_about_the_shroud_new/

I mean, if true, this is momentous; though the supposed 'Abstergo Employee' text looks very odd -- besides, why would they put something like that on a preorder ad? And why is the Animus version so old?

Has anyone else got an email like this?


First off- whoa... EB Games is still around?

Then...




Not sure how I feel about the Shroud stuff. Like, I've wanted them to go more in depth with a POE for a while (like the Apple)... but we already know where the Shroud is. Why do we need to go back and "find" it, especially since it clearly won't be in whatever location Bayek leaves it (the Fryes were far after him, anyway). Unless... one of Bayek's descendants hid the real Shroud, and what we saw in Syndicate was something else- it did seem to behave kind of strangely, almost more Apple-like than the Shroud.

And I like the idea of going back to an original Animus.
Without Rebecca (perhaps she's doing soemthing else) that might be what the Assassins have to work with on a usual basis. Hope it's not MD but prequel MD stuff (pre Desmond). Because... well, then it's not really MD anyway, is it?

wigster2012
06-27-2017, 08:44 PM
There better be some MD action, and I want to see Shaun, Rebecca and Galina (I think that's her name anyway). I would like a combination of some kind of recon work like hacking computers and spying stuff like that. I don't think they should do to much MD just start off slowly again just to get it back up and running but make it purposeful and fun. Maybe have these Juno events in the modern day done by the character trying to find out how Juno is going to try and take over the world and then discover through them what you need to do in order to stop her.

But with that being said if they appear on the map (i believe your referring to the map of Egypt) then to me it sounds like it's a historical thing and not modern day.

To be truthful though I just hope they get the MD back up and running and give it meaning because honestly if it's like the last 2 I probably won't be playing AC again.

Elder-Kalakta
06-27-2017, 09:41 PM
Cawatrooper9, you said:

Not sure how I feel about the Shroud stuff. Like, I've wanted them to go more in depth with a POE for a while (like the Apple)... but we already know where the Shroud is. Why do we need to go back and "find" it, especially since it clearly won't be in whatever location Bayek leaves it (the Fryes were far after him, anyway). Unless... one of Bayek's descendants hid the real Shroud, and what we saw in Syndicate was something else- it did seem to behave kind of strangely, almost more Apple-like than the Shroud.

And I like the idea of going back to an original Animus.
Without Rebecca (perhaps she's doing soemthing else) that might be what the Assassins have to work with on a usual basis. Hope it's not MD but prequel MD stuff (pre Desmond). Because... well, then it's not really MD anyway, is it?

The reason that the

Shroud acted strange is because it had Consus in it. He has shown the ability to possess people previously such as Giovanni Borgia. Also Consus confirms that the Shroud he inhabits is the original as it's his prototype. The one Bayek finds is most likely just another Shroud just like the one in London. We already know there were multiple Shrouds like the one worn by Jesus and also the Golden Fleece found in Ancient Greece.

cawatrooper9
06-27-2017, 10:55 PM
Ahh, Elder-Kalakta. I see now, thank you.


My knowledge of the Shroud is a little lacking. I didn't know that, like the POEs, there were multiple Shrouds.

Sorrosyss
06-27-2017, 11:14 PM
The Shrouds were actually developed during the War of Unification as the equivalence of a Med Kit. As such, there may have been literally thousands at one point.



The reason that the Shroud acted strange is because it had Consus in it. He has shown the ability to possess people previously such as Giovanni Borgia. Also Consus confirms that the Shroud he inhabits is the original as it's his prototype. The one Bayek finds is most likely just another Shroud just like the one in London. We already know there were multiple Shrouds like the one worn by Jesus and also the Golden Fleece found in Ancient Greece.

Consus was in the Shroud that was destroyed in Paris by Galina. The Syndicate one is a separate Shroud though yes.

Megas_Doux
06-28-2017, 02:51 AM
MEH!!!!!!!!

ANOTHER shroud?????? I hope that's false!!!!!

I know Abstergo wants to revive an Isu, but why not with the Ankh or The book of the Dead???? Egyptian Mythology wise, both work.....

On the other hand, Ubi never spoils the modern part. So may be this is fake.


EDIT!!!!! This "animus" looks like a combination of both AC IV's and AC I's:


http://img11.deviantart.net/b9ec/i/2013/320/e/6/animus_omega__white_room__by_dart_a-d6uev3s.jpg

http://www.gamepressure.com/gallery/html/article/344452875.jpg


I think that's fake folks.....

wvstolzing
06-28-2017, 08:46 AM
MEH!!!!!!!!


I think that's fake folks.....

What's really bizarre is that this 'animus' text was really made up by EB Games. They told as much, to a guy on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/assassinscreed/comments/6jxq2q/the_eb_games_email_animus_massage_image_was/ ... someone was having fun being a troll, I guess.

PlunderBunker
06-28-2017, 08:33 PM
I'm convinced now more than ever that Charlotte is gonna be our new modern/present day protagonist in AC: Origins. She's got her own hoodie on UbiWorkShop, has a strong connection to Juno in the uprising comics, she's very well received by the fans since her debut in 2015 and now she's getting her own figurine. The evidence is there. It's clear as day, I mean what more proof do you want? xDD

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDbhNXQXkAEWPcn.jpg

PlunderBunker
06-28-2017, 10:22 PM
Photo of the charlotte statue.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDb9sjrXkAAEAcW.jpg

wigster2012
06-29-2017, 05:32 PM
Personally I haven't read any comics or anything like that for a while, in fact to be honest my interest in AC was only rekindled a few weeks ago when I saw the trailer. But anyway I do believe that AC does need a 3rd person modern day character (If of course they decide to pull there socks up and actually start doing something with the modern day story), they did try the 1st person but I think it's perfectly clear that it didn't work and the fans aren't really that keen on it. I think deep down they may go for a completely new character though, as they are generally more easier to work with, people would rather start from scratch then use somebody that's already got a story, which is why I don't think it will be Charlotte. But her inclusion in some form or another like Galina I think would be appreciated.

cawatrooper9
06-29-2017, 09:25 PM
I'm convinced now more than ever that Charlotte is gonna be our new modern/present day protagonist in AC: Origins. She's got her own hoodie on UbiWorkShop, has a strong connection to Juno in the uprising comics, she's very well received by the fans since her debut in 2015 and now she's getting her own figurine. The evidence is there. It's clear as day, I mean what more proof do you want? xDD

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDbhNXQXkAEWPcn.jpg


That's my thought. Charlotte and Arno seemed like slightly strange choices for this collection, but what if Charlotte is the MD protagonist and Arno is in a rift?

gordon677
07-12-2017, 08:57 PM
As a new player to AC my fear is MD will take something away from my experience with the main game. I think a DLC is a good idea, half hate that it's too short and a weak part of the game. The other half hate that they have to play through in order to get back to what they want to play. The only way to make the majority happy is to make a strong, engaging DLC. That will give MD the love people are asking for with out forcing the rest to play through it.

PlunderBunker
07-12-2017, 09:50 PM
As a new player to AC my fear is MD will take something away from my experience with the main game. I think a DLC is a good idea, half hate that it's too short and a weak part of the game. The other half hate that they have to play through in order to get back to what they want to play. The only way to make the majority happy is to make a strong, engaging DLC. That will give MD the love people are asking for with out forcing the rest to play through it.

Gotta disagree with you there. They should absolutely NOT cut out modern day and stick it in a DLC and sell it. It's the core. Take that away, you're left with half-arsed games such as Unity and Syndicate. This is why we can't have nice things. Those games suffered because of MD haters, and this is what we got, half-arsed efforts. The newcomers pretty much came about in 2013 when black flag launched with the next-gen consoles. I'm a big believer in modern day and I absolutely would hate it to be shoved to one side (like the others) again. You can't please everyone though. So you either live with it, or you don't. People don't understand what the series is all about. It's not all about going around in haystacks and jumping out of them to assassinate them. I'm sorry but the newcomers really get to me.

ze_topazio
07-13-2017, 12:27 AM
You know, the exotic moments could be Memory Seals.

Altair found the memory seals somewhere, maybe he found them during those years he lived in Egypt, and then later in a **** move erased the old memories to record his own, maybe Bayek finds the memory seals in a tomb and relieves the memories of some ancient Assassins, maybe it's the modern day protagonist who uses the memory seals, allowing for memories from after the time of Bayek, maybe a new memory from Altair since Origins celebrates the 10th anniversary.

It could also be helix/animus omega memories in Abstergo entertainment offices if we go there, while playing AC4/Rogue, I've always though it would have been cool if we could use the animus of the other researchers for a short sequence.

Or maybe the modern protagonist suffers from the bleeding effect and once in a while synchronizes with random ancestors.

There are many possibilities.

Ziiimmie
07-15-2017, 02:52 PM
My dream scenario is a third person protagonist missions like the ones in AC:III but expanded for us to be using an Animus and for it to be mostly optional (like what we saw in Brotherhood) so the haters who complain about it can shut up and the fans can be satisfied wooooooo

Also sadly i'd buy a DLC Modern Day only because i am so hungry for it that its better then nothing doesn't mean it should be the only option......

RinoTheBouncer
07-18-2017, 11:33 PM
You know, the exotic moments could be Memory Seals.

Altair found the memory seals somewhere, maybe he found them during those years he lived in Egypt, and then later in a **** move erased the old memories to record his own, maybe Bayek finds the memory seals in a tomb and relieves the memories of some ancient Assassins, maybe it's the modern day protagonist who uses the memory seals, allowing for memories from after the time of Bayek, maybe a new memory from Altair since Origins celebrates the 10th anniversary.

It could also be helix/animus omega memories in Abstergo entertainment offices if we go there, while playing AC4/Rogue, I've always though it would have been cool if we could use the animus of the other researchers for a short sequence.

Or maybe the modern protagonist suffers from the bleeding effect and once in a while synchronizes with random ancestors.

There are many possibilities.

I love that theory. I mean it would be wonderful to have Memory Seals again or even Prophecy Disks. They were like the Isu's version of an Animus with the latter being a futuristic hologram like those the movies show. I'd be totally up for the ideas you put up. Thanks for sharing!


My dream scenario is a third person protagonist missions like the ones in AC:III but expanded for us to be using an Animus and for it to be mostly optional (like what we saw in Brotherhood) so the haters who complain about it can shut up and the fans can be satisfied wooooooo

Also sadly i'd buy a DLC Modern Day only because i am so hungry for it that its better then nothing doesn't mean it should be the only option......

YES! YES! YES!


As a new player to AC my fear is MD will take something away from my experience with the main game. I think a DLC is a good idea, half hate that it's too short and a weak part of the game. The other half hate that they have to play through in order to get back to what they want to play. The only way to make the majority happy is to make a strong, engaging DLC. That will give MD the love people are asking for with out forcing the rest to play through it.

You cannot possible expect a game franchise based on interconnectivity to start every new game with a blank slate just for newcomers to enjoy. DLC means paid content and not everyone is interested in paid content. I'm up for it, whether there's modern day or not, but many others don't like having to pay for stuff that have always been in the games and new comers can always buy a one of the AC encyclopedia books or even read fansites and wikis online to understand what's going on. Besides, it's usually just 10% if not less of the whole game, so I doubt anyone who isn't invested into it will be that confused.

rustoleum01
07-19-2017, 06:08 PM
Excellent article — thank you!!

I love the present-day story line and I'm excited that Ubisoft appears serious about bringing it back. I know that many don't like the present-day story and would rather do away with it — and I think there's a simple solution that would make everyone happy. When you start a new game, you would have two game modes to choose from: Animus Mode (you stay inside the animus for the entire game, no present-day content), and Full Story Mode (same game as Animus Mode, plus ability to leave animus to play present-day content). No?

Also, I would love a DLC set in the First Civilization. Maybe you would play as Adam or Eve and lead a rebellion against the precursors (events that would take place right before the big solar flare and the destruction seen in the "glyphs video" in AC 2.

navinsanjay77
08-22-2017, 12:37 PM
Perfect

joshoolhorst
08-22-2017, 02:05 PM
I have a idea for a playable Modern Day

You are a new person and you work with Rebecca and Shaun and your hide out is pretty big like Monteriggioni.
You can change your clothes and a few cutscenes will play when you do that like how the characters look at you when you wear a black coat combined with a blue pants.
You have missions outside the Animus in Egypte in the night that you can acces with Shaun's computer. Most people are sleeping so you can save on NPC's and make fences around the area so you don't have full exploration because these are just small but big areas.
There are different enemy types in the MD like some have sticks but others have just normall guns and machine guns.
Before you enter a mission you can choice what weapon you want to take with you weapons that don't appear in the simulation.
To acces more missions you have to spend time in the Animus:)
Nice little idea right:)

altair-enzio
08-24-2017, 05:02 AM
Why should fans of the AC pay for a Modern Day Expansion, it should already be included in the Game.

I really want to see Modern Day materiel like that of AC 1,2, Brotherhood & 3, none of this crap where you don't even know what you bloody look like in the game, that stuff has to stop.
It would be great to see if the Protaganist is Desmonds Son, who is also a sage, that would be the best suprize in the game, an somehow desmond miles contacts him in the grey, getting his dad in someway to help recover his son from templar control, also some interaction with the middle group that is aligned with Juno, not only exposing their plans also the templars plans to the world.

makes you wonder if they will bring in some of the hacking aspects of the Watch Dogs series too, which might interact with Bayeks or AC Origins memories

1st Civ DLC, that would be awesome as a Free DLC, plus if ppl pay for the season pass, the stuff doesnt have to be paid for.

dxsxhxcx
08-24-2017, 01:16 PM
It'll be either Galina or another Initiate trying to find another Shroud to help Rebecca who got injured in the last game (dragging out the story one more time) or Desmond' son helping Juno (that hopefully has a new body by now) find something she needs to control human race or maybe a device that'll extract Aita's personality from the Sage so she can upload it into another Isu body.

ninja4hire10
08-24-2017, 02:38 PM
I already purchased the Gold Edition, so if a Modern Day DLC is offered my vote would be an obvious Yes. If it were a standalone DLC NOT included with my puchase? No.

I respect MD elements as the linchpin in the series. It's what--makes sense--of having the historical part of the lore/game, acting, in a way, as a tour guide of sorts and a plot device that drives the plot. No argument there. But my attraction to the series is the Historical Tourism aspect, from AC1 to ACO, and having a mostly (or entirely) MD story simply does not appeal to me. That said, I did like the WWI rift in Syndicate, more than I figured I would, but that or a Jazz Age time rift is about as close to MD as I'd care to go.

I don't want a game where Shawn's database entry reads something like "the bank building you're about to climb used to be a Taco Bell in 2003." And while this is a work of fiction--AC's a frickin' videogame, after all--i'm a stickler when it comes to a certain amount of realism. Yes, Assassin's can drop into hay bales and leaf piles from ridiculous heights, but my suspension of disbelief would take a beating if we see an MD assassin take out a room full of crack paramilitaries armed with automatic rifles, when in actuality it would be like Indy and the marketplace swordsman from Raiders all over again: Assassin + sword====>Special Ops soldiers + guns=====>No more Assassin.

There are some things I just can't bring myself to do. This is one.

XZAROX
10-15-2017, 02:48 PM
Would I buy a Modern Day DLC expansion? I'd buy a whole Modern Day game! A modern day AC is what I've been waiting ever since AC1! Sigh...
Edit: Of course it would have to be Desmond-Like, none of that Helix Video Game developer nonsense. Working for Abstergo is also fine, but I want nothing to do with Helix. They just have to give me objectives and then we leave the building.

XZAROX
10-15-2017, 04:48 PM
So, who is up for another round for Mr. Emotional Charismatic Floating iPad and the Misadventures of Melanie Lemay?

Seriously, we need a good 3rd person modern day character that is here to stay and can finally provide a backbone to the series. You can effectively have skipped Black Flag, Unity and Syndicate because little has changed regarding the plot of Juno.
Yup...
AC3: We release Juno from an Isu computer in the grand temple into the world...
AC4: She's hiding in human servers...
AC: Rogue: She's hiding in human servers...
AC: Uunity: She's hiding in human servers...
AC: Syndicate: She's hiding in human servers...
Unless she's role-playing the "Winter" of Game of Thrones, they really need to start moving that plot forward. All of AC games after AC3 can be skipped entirely, except maaaaaybe for Syndicate.

joshoolhorst
10-15-2017, 06:08 PM
Yup...
AC3: We release Juno from an Isu computer in the grand temple into the world...
AC4: She's hiding in human servers...
AC: Rogue: She's hiding in human servers...
AC: Uunity: She's hiding in human servers...
AC: Syndicate: She's hiding in human servers...
Unless she's role-playing the "Winter" of Game of Thrones, they really need to start moving that plot forward. All of AC games after AC3 can be skipped entirely, except maaaaaybe for Syndicate.

That isn't the only problem with the storylines of the newer games but the historical part has some issues to now:
-You can skip each historical story and main lead has no official ending
-AC4 did not really care that much about Assassin's VS Templars that much untill the later part of the story and Unity/Syndicate just plain don't care or are just making fun of it the hole lore and ideas. The Templar Assassin conflict is going nowhere in those games because you don't learn anything new.
-I don't like how Unity and Syndicate played with history at all like really: Unity's history was plain wrong and had no reason to take even place in France and Syndicate well beside that I don't like that era it was also that I hardly learned anything.

joshoolhorst
10-15-2017, 07:08 PM
Wait are there this many people that want to buy MD as DLC... Holy ****!

XZAROX
10-15-2017, 08:23 PM
Wait are there this many people that want to buy MD as DLC... Holy ****!
Yes we do. A full game would be better. Honestly there's a great way for them to please both audiences. Those who love MD and those who hate it, while potentially making more money too: Spin MD off already!

Let those who love history be basic data miners for Abstergo (That never leave the animus) or some basic stupid plot like that (This audience doesn't care anyway, so the game doesn't have to be too smart about MD, as long as there's a basic explanation for the game's UI and map boundary walls).

Then have a proper mix of Watch Dogs and Splinter Cell, focusing on the modern conflict between Templars and Assassins, and Juno. Have an Animus cameo here and there for the heck of it. There, now you've got two games and a potential for more money. Those who love MD can have their MD, those who love history, can have their uninterrupted history, and those who love both can have both.